Michael547:

Because that group of families of fish appeared suddenly. Which suggests that they were created but did not evolve. Right from time they have always been completely developed. No gradual development noticed by the fossil records.

Workch:
But we can’t find this claim of them ring created in the fossil record because the earth is 4.6billion years, how come it appeared 50million years ago?

How come another species of Galapagos finches appeared 30years Ago?

Why are animals going extinct?
Does this mean that we had more animals then than now?

Why are fossils appearing and disappearing?

So you want to insert creation magic into science?

Workch:
But we can’t find this claim of them ring created in the fossil record because the earth is 4.6billion years, how come it appeared 50million years ago?

How come another species of Galapagos finches appeared 30years Ago?

Why are animals going extinct?
Does this mean that we had more animals then than now?

Why are fossils appearing and disappearing?

So you want to insert creation magic into science?

Michael547:

Are the new specie of Galapagos finch different from the older ones biologically? Are they not still of the same biological stock?

Michael547:

Animals went extinct the same way animals go extinct today. We have a lot of animals today that are endangered species not because they are evolving but their populations are been threatened by natural or human action.

Michael547:

Are the new specie of Galapagos finch different from the older ones biologically? Are they not still of the same biological stock?

Workch:
i am telling you that a new Galapagos finch species emerged and we know from which species it emerged from.

We also have evidence of many species of microorganisms emerging with evidence of the species they emerged from.

They didn’t just appear by magic

Workch:
So why are they disappearing if the only explanation is that they can’t evolve?

Workch:
we have different species that cannor mare with older one, what do you mean by stock?

A neve species has evidently emerged, can you deal with that?

We are technically all same biological stock cos we all evolved from one organism

Workch:
i am telling you that a new Galapagos finch species emerged and we know from which species it emerged from.

We also have evidence of many species of microorganisms emerging with evidence of the species they emerged from.

They didn’t just appear by magic

Workch:
we have different species that cannor mare with older one, what do you mean by stock?

A neve species has evidently emerged, can you deal with that?

We are technically all same biological stock cos we all evolved from one organism

Workch:
TWhen a dice is spinning, it’s hard to say exactly where it will end, it doesn’t mean that you should accept the fact that the dice is spinning by faith.

Look at the animal below in the picture, is that animal a fish or amphibian?
That’s probably hard to call for someone who doesn’t really know the animal. This animal breath both on land and in water comfortably.
It has an organ capable of breathing water and air.
This animals evolutionary trend is very predictable because we know that this animal has always lived in the water and it’s a fish, but right now it’s adapting to live on land, it’s fins over generations are tilting towards walking on land. It’s gills are changing to something that can breath air but it’s still a fish and it will remain a fish for a long time.

However, it’s most likely going to evolve into something that specifically lives on land in many years and it might even evolve back into a solely aquatic animals depending on the environment.

How did we know this? we cannot find the fossil of this exact kind of fish in the record 10million years ago, so we know that this feature didn’t exist forever.

Michael547:

Does sexual preference justify that they became another animal entirely? Are they not still Galapagos finches with the same functionalities as their predecessors?

Michael547:

Did the new species became entirely another animal?

IsaacGeorge29:
Fellow christians and Atheists, there is no need to argue about the truth in scienc and the creation story in th bible and all that.

That is a topic that will ALWAYS astound man to the end of the world, why?

Because God said so...

Romans 4:17-18:
“(As it is written, I have made you a father of many nations) in the presence of him whom he believed — God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did...

It's simple, when God created the heavens and the earth, all of that did not just pop into existence as alot of christians would want to believe.

Instead the things he created seemed to have existed aleady.

Who knows just how far back the earth was created when there was nothing at all on it except chaos and void...

“… The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters” (Genesis 1:2)

But in a few days time, man was already walking the earth,

But following th scientific facts there were lots of ERAs before man came along.

So the reason for the Paradox is simple... God made it that way.

It's pretty much the same in the case of supernatural healings, where the dead part or affected part is suddenly made whole as if was always like that... (I believe no one can argue with that).

The earth was created with a history of billions of years.

Another exemplary case is the case of Authors; They create books in a day, that has a story that starts from 2000 years in the past or 2000 years into the future (I believe I'm not the onlu one who's read this kind of novels, especially mangas and wuxia novels).

And the bible says: "Looking to Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith,..."
Hebrews 12:2

So God "Wrote" the story of creation that starts from billions and probably trillions of years back.

So as you can see we should srike a balance in our view of creation the scientist are half right and most christians are also half right...

After all the world is a physical world, so it's not possible that it has a spiritual beginning, and also Author of the world is a spirit so the backbone of the world and all of creation is in the spiritual with God.

Any comments on this?

Michael547:

If we all came from one organism....then why is it hard to proof the complete evolution of an organism from one form to another?
What you are having are new species within a kind of animal or organism with the same biological makeup. You are not actually creating another type of organism. There will always be a biological barrier of how much variation an organism can exhibit. It can never turn entirely into something else. That is what science know today.

Workch:
What are expecting to hear?

That a cat can give birth to a chicken?

Workch:
Its not hard to prove, you are the person wanting to believe that animals can appear and disappear in the fossil record magically instead of the logical explanation that they evolved from each other. Which what actually happened.

It can turn into entirely something else, that’s the only logical explanation to fossil records and it’s the only logical explanation to transition fossils.

It’s you who won’t accept anything other man magic.

We even have millions of transition fossils to prove that living organism evolved but ypu won’t accept it until I insert magic into it

It’s impossible for animals to appear magicallyz have you seen any animals appearing magically?

The whole essence of this is to somehow find a way to insert your god in a gap

Workch:
ofcourse it’s an entirely different animal.
Is a tiger not an entire different animal from lion even when we classify both as felines?

Michael547:

If they turned entirely into another animal, then why do you still call them finches. Me and you both know that tigers can never evolve to become apes because they have a biological barrier that would never let them get to that extent.

Michael547:

But you've never given me an example of how you claim about evolution can happen. We have countless species of animals on earth today. Which one have you seen evolved completely into another animal?

Michael547:

Evolution says so

Michael547:

Evolution says so

Workch:
An example is Galapagos finches But you want an example of a goat giving birth to a chicken.

Workch:
Evolution is the change in gene frequency within a population of organisms through natural selection.

How does that mean that a goat can give birth to a chicken?

Michael547:

That is exactly the whole point of evolution. I sincerely believe in mutation, variation and speciation because they are scientifically proven. But science today helps us to understand that there is a biological limit to which those aforementioned processes can occur within a living organism. The whole idea that all living things today came from a single living cell is not biologically and scientifically possible. It cannot be proven anywhere not even in a lab with the best scientist.

Michael547:

So how is it possible for natural selection to biologically alter the information recorded in the DNA of a cell of an animal to make it become another animal entirely?

Workch:
Says who?
How did you know that a tiger cannot evolve to an ape?
Educate me on that

Michael547:

Because a tiger is a tiger because of the information recorded in the DNA of it's cell to become a tiger which could allow for some variation or specie. But it can never become an ape because its cell does not have the biological information that ape cell has. That is what science tells us today. If reverse was the case, animals from different families would have been breaded in laboratories all over the world.