omonnakoda:
Yes we know that only Igboland had the internet in the 19th century

You can wake up overdose on akpu and start talking all manner of rubbish

The question once again

Is Abiriba a monarchy yes or no

Women had no say
Osus had no say
That is not a democracy


Is Arochukwu a monarchy?
What about Oguta
Onitsha?
Nri?

Keep deceiving yourself

My guy, don't you think you're the one deceiving yourself here?

At a time abobakus were being buried alive in Yorubaland because a king died, Igbos were isolating criminals and social deviants yet you think that's not nice?

These are people that ordinarily would have been killed in other places but they were allowed to live in Igboland but in isolation as a detterent to others. The Osu system is like modern day prison we're criminals are sent to serve their sentence. So, for Igbos to have such system during medieval times shows how evolved they were.

Also, they never allowed autocratic rulers but instead had the communal nze and ozors which can be likened to the Senate's upper and lower chambers of law making.

If all these are not democracy in its purest form then what is it?

This wawa man you always want to discuss others igbos you know nothing about. Nri is the origin of igboland and Onitsha is not with any Benin influence

Ogbuefi2020:

I have addressed the issues women and OSU already
Aro was a Confederacy, Abiriba, Ohafia, Edda and Afikpo were other towns to formed the Confederacy with arochukwu. It was quite similar to the Greek City states of Athens, Sparta, Troy etc
Nri was a religious center
Onitsha and Oguta are from Ezechime clan who came from the other side of the Niger with Benin influence

VoteObi2SaveNai:


My guy, don't you think you're the one deceiving yourself here?

At a time abobakus were being buried alive in Yorubaland because a king died, Igbos were isolating criminals and social deviants yet you think that's not nice?

These are people that ordinarily would have been killed in other places but they were allowed to live in Igboland but in isolation as a detterent to others. The Osu system is like modern day prison we're criminals are sent to serve their sentence. So, for Igbos to have such system during medieval times shows how evolved they were.

Also, they never allowed autocratic rulers but instead had the communal nze and ozors which can be likened to the Senate's upper and lower chambers of law making.

If all these are not democracy in its purest form then what is it?

Kings were buried with heads in Igboland
Even titled men were buried with human heads so let us not digress
YOU claim to be democratic
But it is a lie
Women cannot inherit their fathers and have no say in governance
Osus have no say

Abiriba, Aro, Oguta, Onitsha and Nri are monarchies

YOU are NOT democrats

omonnakoda:
What dirty story? Who wrote it and WHEN?

You want to launder your dirty history with latter day revisionism
Chinua Achebe painted a perfect picture of 19th century Igbo land in his novels
Women were not involved in governance
Igbo women were not allowed to inherit their fathers property that says it all

Now tell us whether Abiriba , Aro , Oguta , Onitsha are monarchies? Yes or No?

You are confused

IGBOSON1:
You’re pathetically insecure and need to go see a shrink ASAP!

The OP was talking of the political, democratic and developmental structures in place in Igboland pre and even post independence that helped drive development in the region! He mentioned the age-grade system, that still exists till today, and the fact that even foreign visitors to Igbo villages of the time commented on how neat and orderly they were! Pray, what has all this got to do with ‘cannibalism’ and a Hobbesian state of nature!? Did any of the colonial travellers of the time who visited Alaigbo write in their memoirs that they managed to escape by the whiskers, chasing ‘red-eyed Igbo cannibals’ with an acquired taste for oyibo flesh!? If not, then why do you keep banging on about cannibals and Hobbes!? Was your own ethnicity the epitome of civilisation, saintliness and good moral conduct during the colonial era? If so, can we have their name so we can use una to brag to the Europeans that there was actually a settlement in colonial West Africa that was way ahead of them in civilisation so they need to go sit their haughty, superior feeling ass down and STFU!

That deranged lunatic that calls himself KwaraRat reminds me of Adeyinka Grandson. I won't be surprised if they're one and the same person.

omonnakoda:
Kings were buried with heads in Igboland
Even titled men were buried with human heads so let us not digress
YOU claim to be democratic
But it is a lie
Women cannot inherit their fathers and have no say in governance
Osus have no say

Abiriba, Aro, Oguta, Onitsha and Nri are monarchies

YOU are NOT democrats

You keep repeating the same gibberish, the OSU would have been executed by your feudal kings but here we kept them somewhere and give them chance for appeal. These are people within serious criminal case, yet there was no death sentence. Which else is more democratic than this?

Ogbuefi2020:

You are confused

You are

Go and study the history of Onitsha before talking rubbish about Abobaku

Investigate Human Funeral Sacrifice in Onitsha when Obis die

Google is your friend

You have several monarchies in Igboland and are wrong to claim to be democrat

It is hypocrisy to say that when women cannot inherit their fathers

omonnakoda:
Who told you that other people/s kings wield absolute power? No where do kings have absolute power
First you say you had no kings now you admit you had but they did not have absolute power
Leave story
What dirty parliament? Who was eligible for parliament? Oh yes we know Igbos were the first to have PVCs too

Parliament that has no room for women and Osus?

What was the population of the biggest igbo village in history before 1900?
You were forest dwellers do not talk as if you had any town in Igbo land before you start deceiving yourself talking of parliaments?
Name one town in Igboland that had settlers from elsewhere that were not conquerors
Was there ANY community in Igboland with 5000 people before 1900 . NAME IT
There were monarchs in Igboland so stop the lies

There you go again talking out of ignorance. Firstly, Igbos lived in dense vegetative environment otherwise known as rain forest. Back then, it was almost impenetrable so it was difficult for outsiders to move in and out.

Secondly, Igbo territories used to be very fertile lands, so the dwellers were largely content with vast agricultural production which eventually led to high population density. Igboland used to be the densest populated area in Africa alongside the Nile valley in Egypt!

You can't possibly build large settlements in areas with such dense vegetation cover, peaceful atmosphere devoid of external attacks, very fertile lands and kindred communal setting that see everyone as equals.

omonnakoda:
You are

Go and study the history of Onitsha before talking rubbish about Abobaku

Investigate Human Funeral Sacrifice in Onitsha when Obis die

Google is your friend

You have several monarchies in Igboland and are wrong to claim to be democrat

It is hypocrisy to say that when women cannot inherit their fathers

And we are telling you that Onitsha came from the other side of the Niger during the reigns of despotic Oba Esigie of Benin who formed alliance within King Henry of Portugal and Pope Nicolas in Rome just to acquire gun and invade his neighbors for slaves. Onitsha copied Benin culture which were mostly yoruba-ish

VoteObi2SaveNai:


There you go again talking out of ignorance. Firstly, Igbos lived in dense vegetative environment otherwise known as rain forest. Back then, it was almost impenetrable so it was difficult for outsiders to move in and out.

Secondly, Igbo territories used to be very fertile lands, so the dwellers were largely content with vast agricultural production which eventually led to high population density. Igboland used to be the densest populated area in Africa alongside the Nile valley in Egypt!

You can't possibly build large settlements in areas with such dense vegetation cover, peaceful atmosphere devoid of external attacks, very fertile lands and kindred communal setting that see everyone as equals.

Rubbish.
Nothing inpenetrable about it. They were just not as civilized as others like the Bini and others in Southern Nigeria. It is not only Igboland that was Forest
Efiks /Ibibio/ Akpa were also in the forest and developed Nsibidi, Ekpe society and other markers of better civilization/organization

Millions of Igbos were captured and sold as slaves by Igalas, Ijaws, Bini, Itsekiri.
The items discovered at Igbo Ukwu contains beads of North African origin so there was contact

Ogbuefi2020:

And we are telling you that Onitsha came from the other side of the Niger during the reigns of despotic Oba Esigie of Benin who formed alliance within King Henry of Portugal and Pope Nicolas in Rome just to acquire gun and invade his neighbors for slaves. Onitsha copied Benin culture which were mostly yoruba-ish

Rubbish?
Nri copied who, Oguta copied who Abiriba copied who?
We know Akpa conquered Arochukwu

So Onitsha are not Igbo?
Long and short

You are not democrats

omonnakoda:
Rubbish?
Nri copied who, Oguta copied who Abiriba copied who?
We know Akpa conquered Arochukwu

So Onitsha are not Igbo?
Long and short

You are not democrats

They didn't practice the same form of democracy you see if recent in society today..

Easternmind:

They didn't practice the same form of democracy you see if recent in society today..

They did not practice ANY FORM of democracy

Ogbuefi2020:

Clustering mudhouses with rusted roofs is building a society abi?

Those "mud houses" have people living in them. They go to work and their environment sustains them.

Those mansions in the bushes are empty and the owners visit once a year.

Meanwhile that area with mud houses also have mansions except you choose to be blind to that.

Ogbuefi2020:

We lived in the rain forest because of abundant economic trees which we processed and traded. At the end of slave trade Benin empire collapsed, ijaw and Igala power collapsed, but Aro waxed stronger because it traded commodities of the rain forest while others only traded slaves. During early colonial era, British trading company overran yorubaland while Aro continue to control the Eastern trade till 20th century. Dispersed settlement and decentralized polical power was suitable for our way of life and put us ahead of others in modern competitive world

I didn’t ask for a history lesson, clearly I know it . The bottomline is, contrary to the nonsense claim that Igbos “rejected” that system of government, the truth is you were mainly “Bush men” that resided inside the jungles until fairly recently and were, thus, not familiar with that style of governance that was being practiced in parts of the “civilized” world.

Ogbuefi2020:

Oyo that was sacked by Nupes and Fulanis? Oyo was never an empire as it never controlled multi ethnic population like Benin. Oyo refugees fleeing Fulanis invasion founded Ibadan. We the igbos never engaged in meaningless millitary conquest because we already know long ago that future wars, conquest, and empire building will be based on economic invasion so we planned ahead. Today Nnewi will thrash Oyo in all aspects, a feat it achieved not by millitary conquest but economic conquest

So, why are there more Nnewi indigenes in Oyo, than there are Oyo indigenes in Nnewi?

Ogbuefi2020:

I have addressed the issues women and OSU already
Aro was a Confederacy, Abiriba, Ohafia, Edda and Afikpo were other towns to formed the Confederacy with arochukwu. It was quite similar to the Greek City states of Athens, Sparta, Troy etc
Nri was a religious center
Onitsha and Oguta are from Ezechime clan who came from the other side of the Niger with Benin influence

You’re kidding comparing ibo hamlets to Athens and Troy, right?

fx45:
That deranged lunatic that calls himself KwaraRat reminds me of Adeyinka Grandson. I won't be surprised if they're one and the same person.

It can't be Adeyinka...
Werey Grandson is in prison! He won't disturb the peace of reasonable men again in his damned life. Dude is most probably going to be deported immediately he finishes his prison sentence for his hate speaches against the igbos. He was warned just as we are warning this brood of reprobates here, but he stuck to his guns. He was dutifully arrested, tried and effectively sentenced! Someone who should be outside today doing something reasonable with his life is now rotting in the cold dongeon of London, simply because his crude hate and jealousy won't let him rest..
Na raw hate go kill all of them shaa....

omonnakoda:

Rubbish.
Nothing inpenetrable about it. They were just not as civilized as others like the Bini and others in Southern Nigeria. It is not only Igboland that was Forest
Efiks /Ibibio/ Akpa were also in the forest and developed Nsibidi, Ekpe society and other markers of better civilization/organization

Millions of Igbos were captured and sold as slaves by Igalas, Ijaws, Bini, Itsekiri.
The items discovered at Igbo Ukwu contains beads of North African origin so there was contact

Igboland had unsual population density that's why it was a hotbed of slave raiders. None of the raiders establishment their political rule like fulani did in ilorin, they only raid and run when the natives regroup and Chase them

RealTalkNoBull:
You’re kidding comparing ibo hamlets to Athens and Troy, right?

You are ignorant. Ohafia, abiriba, Afikpo, Edda and Arochukwu were militarized city states. But they formed a trading Confederacy instead of political empire

RealTalkNoBull:
I didn’t ask for a history lesson, clearly I know it . The bottomline is, contrary to the nonsense claim that Igbos “rejected” that system of government, the truth is you were mainly “Bush men” that resided inside the jungles until fairly recently and were, thus, not familiar with that style of governance that was being practiced in parts of the “civilized” world.

The " jungle" was suited for their means of livelihood and they practiced democracy there in, an advanced political system ahead of your feudal monarchy

ba7man:
Those "mud houses" have people living in them. They go to work and their environment sustains them.

Those mansions in the bushes are empty and the owners visit once a year.

Meanwhile that area with mud houses also have mansions except you choose to be blind to that.

The mud house dwellers are just passive unadventurous folks, simple

Ogbuefi2020:

Igboland had unsual population density

Really? Define unusual? How do you know Igboland had unusual population density? WHere did you get this from.

This is just an idea that you like. There is no basis for it whatsoever

You keep talking Igbo land Igbo land ? That too would need definition

Igboland is a creation of the British and Nigeria

omonnakoda:

Rubbish.
Nothing inpenetrable about it. They were just not as civilized as others like the Bini and others in Southern Nigeria. It is not only Igboland that was Forest
Efiks /Ibibio/ Akpa were also in the forest and developed Nsibidi, Ekpe society and other markers of better civilization/organization

Millions of Igbos were captured and sold as slaves by Igalas, Ijaws, Bini, Itsekiri.
The items discovered at Igbo Ukwu contains beads of North African origin so there was contact

Ekpe, Nsibidi was part of Aro civilization, Efik/Ibibio were part of Aro Confederacy. Unlike Oyo who didn't control multi ethnic territory, Aro unified many ethnicities

omonnakoda:
Really? Define unusual? How do you know Igboland had unusual population density? WHere did you get this from.

This is just an idea that you like. There is no basis for it whatsoever

You keep talking Igbo land Igbo land ? That too would need definition

Igboland is a creation of the British and Nigeria

The reason why Portuguese abandoned the bight of Benin and moved to bight of Biafra was because of higher population density

omonnakoda:
Rubbish?
Nri copied who, Oguta copied who Abiriba copied who?
We know Akpa conquered Arochukwu

So Onitsha are not Igbo?
Long and short

You are not democrats

Onitsha and oguta are Igbos who came under the influence of Benin empire from the other side of the niger. Nri was a religious center, Abiriba was a city states who became founding member of Aro Confederacy. We are the only pre colonial democracy in Africa

It can only be an innate inferiority complex that will make someone to come up with a thread like this one,what a shame ! Well,the Op needs to understand that not everybody is a village dweller or from some villages in a tiny erosion ravaged enclave of cannibals ! Anyway,a dwarf will always wants to measure how tall he is by the side of a Giant even though the Giant is not aware of the dwarf's existence !

Now that we have seen how beautiful your villages are in alaigbo,can you please stay and live there ? Mtchew,common sense is far from some people sha !

Ogbuefi2020:

Ekpe, Nsibidi was part of Aro civilization, Efik/Ibibio were part of Aro Confederacy. Unlike Oyo who didn't control multi ethnic territory, Aro unified many ethnicities

There is nothing like Aro civilization that is just like talking about Nigerian civilization or Akwa Ibom civilization

Ekpe and Nsidibi are not Igbo creations

The words Ekpe and Nsibidi are NOT IGBO words
Everything about you is dishonest and fake

Nsidibi is a creation of the Ejagham people period. It is not part of any bogus Aro civilization

Basilo101 the useless wawa miscreant. Nri is the origin of Igbo race. Onitsha wasn't influenced by Benin. The first igbo Bible and literature was written in Onitsha Igbo dialect.

I don't know why a timid nsukka man like you would always want to misinform people.

Ogbuefi2020:

Onitsha and oguta are Igbos who came under the influence of Benin empire from the other side of the niger. Nri was a religious center, Abiriba was a city states who became founding member of Aro Confederacy

Ogbuefi2020:

Onitsha and oguta are Igbos who came under the influence of Benin empire from the other side of the niger. Nri was a religious center, Abiriba was a city states who became founding member of Aro Confederacy. We are the only pre colonial democracy in Africa

You have no history

There was no pre colonial WE just hundreds of disparate jungle dwelling villagers

People identified as Ngwa, Abam, Aro and so on so what we are you talking about . Some had kings some did not there never was a homogenous Igboland to justify talking about WE . or WE as democracies

People who do not allow women to inherit and who practices Osu caste are not democrats

Ogbuefi2020:

The reason why Portuguese abandoned the bight of Benin and moved to bight of Biafra was because of higher population density

Define population density.
You claim they abandoned one place and moved to another . You just made that up. It is fiction
The purported reason for the fictional abandonment is your concoction .............more fiction

Where did you get all this nonsense from?
DId Igbos control the Bight of Biafra?

omonnakoda:
You have no history

There was no pre colonial WE

People identified as Ngwa, Abam, Aro and so on so what we are you talking about . Some had kings some did not there never was a homogenous Igboland to justify talking about WE . or WE as democracies

People who do not allow women to inherit and who practices Osu caste are not democrats

But same applied to yorubaland, as for the we, I'm talking about modern era. The British have drawn the map based on all anthropological methods of classifying an ethnic group. Eg, while Austria was part of Austrian empire together with Hungary, the main Germany was independent city states but later Austria and Germany were classified as the same ethnicity despite not being in the same country