Courz:


I don't even know where to start with this their New Light. But the moment they mentioned Daniel 12, my mind went to a Testimony of a Freemason JW who was a Spirit Channeler for the Governing body. She said she Channelled Daniel chapter 11 and 12. Therefore, anything you hear from Watchtower based on those Bible chapters are products of Spirit Channelling. So, seeing the whole Watchtower study full of confusion and contradictions and how they tied in Daniel into it is giving strong Spirit Channelling.

But what is making me laugh is the fact that they read other verses in Revelation but skipped Chapter 20 vs 5. If they had read that verse before writing the Watchtower they studied on Sunday, they would never have come up with their confusing New light. And this proves that Watchtower loves speculating a lot. The JW Cult was built on speculations and Prophecies since they have admitted that they are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. They love dates. Since they can't come up with prophecies, they just push their obsession with speculations into coming up with fantasies upon fantasies. Nowhere in the book of Revelation will you see anything like Preaching work campaign during the 1,000 year reign. Nothing about JWs teaching people of old. What is it that you want to teach people of old that they don't already know? What kind of delusion is this? Are they saying that God's people back then Know nothing about God and Jesus? Seeing all these delusions tells you that the Governing body are not mentally okay at all.

Do JWs even know the implication of being on earth during the 1000 year reign? Do they know that the rest of dead didn't come to life until after the thousand years? These people don't know anything if only they will just drop all Watchtower publications and just read the Bible alone.

After the 1,000 year reign comes Judgement of the Unrighteous. Watchtower is saying after they are resurrected, people will still do evil. Perfect people will still sin. Perfection is not instant so Blind, deaf, dumb, people etc will still be so. Wicked people will still be resurrected to do evil again. This their Paradise on earth is no longer looking like Paradise again. Their Paradise is the same world we are living in now. These people are Charlatans and Jokers! How are JWs not seeing the fukkery? What? And the Watchtower study made so many confused. If you go to exjw reddit, people are posting about the reactions they are observing from that Watchtower study. Some JWs were disappointed. A lot of them were confused. They were saying some JWs are beginning to say that if the wicked will be resurrected and still be given a chance in the New world, why on earth are they bothering themselves to preach now? That is a very good question. Some said why are they Preaching for 1,000 years again while they are Preaching now? Won't they rest? Their Paradise don change!

The worst is that JW's accept that they have not been "declared righteous" it's is until after the 1000yrs
The say it's only 144,000 that are declared righteous
Then they rest have to endure to the end even after hours of preaching and regular pioneering and they die. Then after resurrection they are not perfect but wait for another 1000years.......I give up

Before 2030 we might see another dissident movement like the 80's.

Courz:


I don't even know where to start with this their New Light. But the moment they mentioned Daniel 12, my mind went to a Testimony of a Freemason JW who was a Spirit Channeler for the Governing body. She said she Channelled Daniel chapter 11 and 12. Therefore, anything you hear from Watchtower based on those Bible chapters are products of Spirit Channelling. So, seeing the whole Watchtower study full of confusion and contradictions and how they tied in Daniel into it is giving strong Spirit Channelling.

But what is making me laugh is the fact that they read other verses in Revelation but skipped Chapter 20 vs 5. If they had read that verse before writing the Watchtower they studied on Sunday, they would never have come up with their confusing New light. And this proves that Watchtower loves speculating a lot. The JW Cult was built on speculations and Prophecies since they have admitted that they are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. They love dates. Since they can't come up with prophecies, they just push their obsession with speculations into coming up with fantasies upon fantasies. Nowhere in the book of Revelation will you see anything like Preaching work campaign during the 1,000 year reign. Nothing about JWs teaching people of old. What is it that you want to teach people of old that they don't already know? What kind of delusion is this? Are they saying that God's people back then Know nothing about God and Jesus? Seeing all these delusions tells you that the Governing body are not mentally okay at all.

Do JWs even know the implication of being on earth during the 1000 year reign? Do they know that the rest of dead didn't come to life until after the thousand years? These people don't know anything if only they will just drop all Watchtower publications and just read the Bible alone.

After the 1,000 year reign comes Judgement of the Unrighteous. Watchtower is saying after they are resurrected, people will still do evil. Perfect people will still sin. Perfection is not instant so Blind, deaf, dumb, people etc will still be so. Wicked people will still be resurrected to do evil again. This their Paradise on earth is no longer looking like Paradise again. Their Paradise is the same world we are living in now. These people are Charlatans and Jokers! How are JWs not seeing the fukkery? What? And the Watchtower study made so many confused. If you go to exjw reddit, people are posting about the reactions they are observing from that Watchtower study. Some JWs were disappointed. A lot of them were confused. They were saying some JWs are beginning to say that if the wicked will be resurrected and still be given a chance in the New world, why on earth are they bothering themselves to preach now? That is a very good question. Some said why are they Preaching for 1,000 years again while they are Preaching now? Won't they rest? Their Paradise don change!

While participating in my online course for NewTestament Theology I came to discover that most of the things the GB couldn't explain where already published and established.
I come to think of the likes of Albert Barnes he didn't claim any divine revelation just a regular Bible Scholar. But for a test take Barnes commentary of 1832 and compare with any JW commentary like the Finish Mystery you'll be mystified as to why the GB takes joy in stupidity.
The words of Jude are enough as he said:
“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints”. (KJV).
The Bible scholar, Remigiusz Popowski gave the following comment to that verse: „The Holy Spirit signs here that the revelation of the New Covenant was given in fullness and once for all by Jesus Christ to the Apostles. That revelation must not be changed and nothing can be added to it. There is no other, secret revelation given to someone besides the Apostles. All the Christians in the apostolic times were called the saints.”

****While the spirit will lead the believer to truth by the indwelling of the Spirit.
However, the Holy Spirit will not give any new revelation.

#When I started my study, I came to see that the so-called Scholars of Christendom were actually those who presented the truth of God's word not the GB.

OgaNightmare:

The worst is that JW's accept that they have not been "declared righteous" it's is until after the 1000yrs
The say it's only 144,000 that are declared righteous
Then they rest have to endure to the end even after hours of preaching and regular pioneering and they die. Then after resurrection they are not perfect but wait for another 1000years.......I give up

Before 2030 we might see another dissident movement like the 80's.

Yes. JWs don't believe they have been declared righteous. Why didn't Watchtower just make JW a Cult for the Anointed only? Because they are the only ones favored in this so called Paradise. They get to relax in Heaven while regular JWs work their ass off Preaching under sun and rain again in Paradise and still suffer from Evil doers antics. and Perfection will be gradual.

I was saying it to myself that this their Paradise is a Continuation of life we have now which makes the whole Paradise doctrine a Fraud. Their Paradise they are working for is not working out the way they want it. Eyah! Watchtower say they must continue working in Paradise. The Anointed as their Mediator will dictate to them where they live. Meetings and field service continues. Typical Cult. Your Best isn't good enough All the Preaching they did before Armaggedon is a waste because evil people will be given 2nd chances o. So, why are they Preaching now? And they must do it for 1,000 years else it is eraser Jehovah will use to clean off their names from the Book of life. Poor JWs. Chai!

OgaNightmare:

While participating in my online course for NewTestament Theology I came to discover that most of the things the GB couldn't explain where already published and established.
I come to think of the likes of Albert Barnes he didn't claim any divine revelation just a regular Bible Scholar. But for a test take Barnes commentary of 1832 and compare with any JW commentary like the Finish Mystery you'll be mystified as to why the GB takes joy in stupidity.
The words of Jude are enough as he said:
“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints”. (KJV).
The Bible scholar, Remigiusz Popowski gave the following comment to that verse: „The Holy Spirit signs here that the revelation of the New Covenant was given in fullness and once for all by Jesus Christ to the Apostles. That revelation must not be changed and nothing can be added to it. There is no other, secret revelation given to someone besides the Apostles. All the Christians in the apostolic times were called the saints.”

****While the spirit will lead the believer to truth by the indwelling of the Spirit.
However, the Holy Spirit will not give any new revelation.

#When I started my study, I came to see that the so-called Scholars of Christendom were actually those who presented the truth of God's word not the GB.

At the Bolded, that was exactly my observation as well. How is it that Biblical understanding in JW is very fickle and unstable? It is because they are still very backward when it comes to the Bible. You don't see this kind of instability in other denominations. Christendom as a whole already had many doctrines set. It took JW many years since their inception to know that the Hour and the day of Jesus coming/The End, no one knows. Yet, they still claim he came in 1914. They are very backward. It wasn't until I started to read the Bible alone before I realised this. Only ignorant people are impressed with JWs and these are their targets when they go to preach.

MaxInDHouse:


Your problem is just to attend meetings like a churchgoer your heart is not with what is been discussed at the meetings. You're like Judas Iscariot who happens to be with Jesus but by the time temptation came sold Jesus for money.

If you've been following God's organization heartily you will know that even the so called miracle performing religionists are thoroughly deceived.
I have attended several churches after i left Islam because after JWs made me believe in Jesus i don't want to follow them carrying bags so i thought i could find a second best Christian group practicing Christianity though not as good as JWs that's when i realized that most miracle performers are confused themselves because they don't know the purpose of miracles.

According to Jesus of Nazareth miracles was planned to help the first century Israelites IDENTIFY the Messiah and the Jewish beneficiaries of the New Covenant, apart from that wonders and signs has nothing to do with gentiles. Matthew 15:20-24

So today Satan is backing false religions with powerful signs {Revelations 16:14} but they're only being deceived because Jesus will deny them {Matthew 7:23} WHY? Because they are not ready to work with his anointed brothers rather each of them just want the religion that suits their thinking to be established!

You remind me of a brother
He angrily left the congregation, he did not want to return
He was raised a Witness
After many weeks of staying at home. He decided to go to a Church with a friend
One of the biggest church in town
He went and he was shocked at some of the teachings but the funniest part was when the Pastor prayed that they should vomit evil spirit
He began to remember when he was in the congregation cos he was in the front
He said everyone was vomiting and he didn't
The Pastor approached him and kept staring at him in the eye
He began to feel his stomach disturb him, the pastor was surprised, he shook his head and told him he really has an evil spirit and many prayers will help him. He wondered why people will drop to the ground when Pastor touched them. He was willing to adapt to this 'truth'
The brother was not comfortable throughout the day, he thought churches are like the kingdom hall. He had no money but was so embarrassed when they'll bring tray to him up to 5 times for offering and he was in front. The Pastor lecture was on money
He came home empty and embarrassed

The brother did not go to the Church again. He was the one arguing that he will find the true organization. He came back to the congregation with humility
He was convinced beyond reasoning about the truth.

Aemmyjah:


You remind me of a brother
He angrily left the congregation, he did not want to return
He was raised a Witness
After many weeks of staying at home. He decided to go to a Church with a friend
One of the biggest church in town
He went and he was shocked at some of the teachings but the funniest part was when the Pastor prayed that they should vomit evil spirit
He began to remember when he was in the congregation cos he was in the front
He said everyone was vomiting and he didn't
The Pastor approached him and kept staring at him in the eye
He began to feel his stomach disturb him, the pastor was surprised, he shook his head and told him he really has an evil spirit and many prayers will help him. He wondered why people will drop to the ground when Pastor touched them. He was willing to adapt to this 'truth'
The brother was not comfortable throughout the day, he thought churches are like the kingdom hall. He had no money but was so embarrassed when they'll bring tray to him up to 5 times for offering and he was in front. The Pastor lecture was on money
He came home empty and embarrassed

The brother did not go to the Church again. He was the one arguing that he will find the true organization. He came back to the congregation with humility
He was convinced beyond reasoning about the truth.

He has not found the TRUTH!

Let him do àjàlá travel journey touring all the churches like Templee333 i'm sure he will have many stories to tell.

pinkylovely:


Exactly! Exactly! Again, they'll tell you they are a religion yet still claim to be christians. But true christians. I don't know when the distinction between true and false christians came up as separate religions on their own.

May God help us in this life. As regards the watchtower, I avoid paying attention to all the lies because it annoys me. Big time.

At the bolded, there is no way you will be awake from the Cult and still want to sit down for over an hour and consume their cow dung. You will develop headache. The meetings are so boring like Funerals where people are mourning and they dull your Brain. Some PIMOs even browse with their phones during meetings to view ExJW websites. I remember in some halls, I used to notice some JWs sleeping. One young boy who should be around 17 or 18 years that they were trying to make an MS but it didn't work out used to play games with his phone throughout meeting. One lady I know will rush to Kingdom hall and then as soon as study starts, she has gone to London. After the study, Once everybody stands to sing, she will wake up and stand to sing. Just find ways to distract yourself during the meetings. Sitting at the back is the best.

MaxInDHouse:


He has not found the TRUTH!

Let him do àjàlá travel journey touring all the churches like Templee333 i'm sure he will have many stories to tell.

Some of them have gone cos of selfish interests
Churches are no longer preaching hellfire scare tactics, there is loose conducts and all kinds of things Jehovah hates

A senior colleague told me there are homosexual men in his church. Another person admitted it's not epidemic and they're so friendly and give money to entice all

See yahoo boys marching to church like kings with hairstyles like madmen. Churches care about money
Another girl that left could not go to church frequently cos of offering money
I wonder what is really pushing them

Aemmyjah:


Some of them have gone cos of selfish interests
Churches are no longer preaching hellfire scare tactics, there is loose conducts and all kinds of things Jehovah hates

A senior colleague told me there are homosexual men in his church. Another person admitted it's not epidemic and they're so friendly and give money to entice all

See yahoo boys marching to church like kings with hairstyles like madmen. Churches care about money
Another girl that left could not go to church frequently cos of offering money
I wonder what is really pushing them

It's the WICKEDNESS in their hearts!

Each of them is selfish expecting God to leave their neighbours in poverty but exalt them so they can dominate. That's what they're anticipating.
They think God is the one in charge of the wicked system of things in which they found themselves but instead of thinking right they just want their own time to shine even when others are in pains!

MaxInDHouse:

It's the WICKEDNESS in their hearts!

Each of them is selfish expecting God to leave their neighbours in poverty but exalt them so they can dominate. That's what they're anticipating.
They think God is the one in charge of the wicked system of things in which they found themselves but instead of thinking right they just want their own time to shine even when others are in pains!

Check the main page of nairaland and read the story about cynthia morgan
She was even a Witness

I laugh when people say they were a Witness.
Her story is very ridiculous
After having a failed career in music, instead of pursuing the way of happiness, she wants to deceive people with prophecies

Aemmyjah:

Check the main page of nairaland and read the story about cynthia morgan
She was even a Witness
I laugh when people say they were a Witness.
Her story is very ridiculous
After having a failed career in music, instead of pursuing the way of happiness, she wants to deceive people with prophecies

Such a person only wants fame through which she can make easy money but since most will buy her lies she only needs little support from their pastors!

MaxInDHouse:


Your problem is just to attend meetings like a churchgoer your heart is not with what is been discussed at the meetings. You're like Judas Iscariot who happens to be with Jesus but by the time temptation came sold Jesus for money.

If you've been following God's organization heartily you will know that even the so called miracle performing religionists are thoroughly deceived.
I have attended several churches after i left Islam because after JWs made me believe in Jesus i don't want to follow them carrying bags so i thought i could find a second best Christian group practicing Christianity though not as good as JWs that's when i realized that most miracle performers are confused themselves because they don't know the purpose of miracles.

According to Jesus of Nazareth miracles was planned to help the first century Israelites IDENTIFY the Messiah and the Jewish beneficiaries of the New Covenant, apart from that wonders and signs has nothing to do with gentiles. Matthew 15:20-24

So today Satan is backing false religions with powerful signs {Revelations 16:14} but they're only being deceived because Jesus will deny them {Matthew 7:23} WHY? Because they are not ready to work with his anointed brothers rather each of them just want the religion that suits their thinking to be established!

Don't worry. I know your type. Soon you'll realize you got into the exact problem you were trying to run away from. Instead of trying to develop a personal and healthy relationship with God, you prefer to be stuck under the shadow of a denomination that claims to be a religion on it's own and at thesame time claim to be part of a religion.

Aemmyjah:



Don't you read at all?!
I pray for something and it happened, will I doubt the power?
That's why I said miracles is Nigeria has a broad meaning and I cited examples like childbearing and school admission
I said being alive is a miracle, life in itself is a miracle
I told you I believe but you said I don't
Are u okay?
I pray when I'm sick and I pray for my friends too, family and relatives, my brothers and sisters when they sick
I have a cousin I'm praying for to have children after almost 15 years, won't I thank God when they come?
There are several miracles I have seen even in the ministry

I won't go to a Church for faithhealing. Is that hard for you to accept?
I was a Pentecostal for almost 20 years, was an usher, drummer, very zealous guy and been to several churches but never witnessed any 'miracle' or 'faithhealing' but they will be posting testimonies after.
Your version of miracles is not my own version of miracles so don't tell me that what I believe is not what I believe
I give honor to God and not men when things happen.
Your kind of miracles is to give credit to Daddy GO

Ha! Had no idea there were different versions of miracles. . And good enough of you to know so much about me. Way more than I even know about myself. Hahaha! If you say I give credit to daddy GO. No issues o. Na you sabi.

Courz:


At the bolded, there is no way you will be awake from the Cult and still want to sit down for over an hour and consume their cow dung. You will develop headache. The meetings are so boring like Funerals where people are mourning and they dull your Brain. Some PIMOs even browse with their phones during meetings to view ExJW websites. I remember in some halls, I used to notice some JWs sleeping. One young boy who should be around 17 or 18 years that they were trying to make an MS but it didn't work out used to play games with his phone throughout meeting. One lady I know will rush to Kingdom hall and then as soon as study starts, she has gone to London. After the study, Once everybody stands to sing, she will wake up and stand to sing. Just find ways to distract yourself during the meetings. Sitting at the back is the best.

Exactly

pinkylovely:


Don't worry. I know your type. Soon you'll realize you got into the exact problem you were trying to run away from. Instead of trying to develop a personal and healthy relationship with God, you prefer to be stuck under the shadow of a denomination that claims to be a religion on it's own and at thesame time claim to be part of a religion.

See this one
What you just wrote, does it make sense to you?
Why not ask him about his personal relationship with God before he became a Jehovah's Witness, rather you want to judge him blindly
And for your last words, every religion in the world tend to be organized
There was an organization of God's people in Bible times- The nation of Israel and the Christians in the first century and they worshipped God collectively. That made them a brotherhood. They came together and worshipped together

Today too, we're united. Imagine if we're not, how will people identify us, our beliefs and works?!

I also grew up a Pentecostal for over 19 years
Did research in all the religious organization in the world including those we don't even practice here and the ones that are extinct
You only identify them not by names or numbers but by their works

Everyone who has left other religions to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses even if they were clergymen will tell you they now enjoy, a real, personal relationship with him and have become more zealous, they don't channel that zeal in criticising former religions. The only people that do so are apostates that leave us cos they are children of the first and greatest apostate, Satan the Devil. They channel their energy in promoting lies against us rather than the 'truth' they claim to have joined
You'll never see any group like the Witnesses anywhere else nor people so peaceful and loving

pinkylovely:


Ha! Had no idea there were different versions of miracles. . And good enough of you to know so much about me. Way more than I even know about myself. Hahaha! If you say I give credit to daddy GO. No issues o. Na you sabi.

Your own problem
When I said life is a miracle, you thought I was speaking French abi
Prayer in itself is a miracle
Miracles are around us
If I say I don't believe in going to religious places for faithhealing, what makes you say I don't believe in miracles?
Tell me the places you know today that do miracles and the miracles you believe that are happening today

Aemmyjah:


See this one
What you just wrote, does it make sense to you?
Why not ask him about his personal relationship with God before he became a Jehovah's Witness, rather you want to judge him blindly
And for your last words, every religion in the world tend to be organized
There was an organization of God's people in Bible times- The nation of Israel and the Christians in the first century and they worshipped God collectively. That made them a brotherhood. They came together and worshipped together

Today too, we're united. Imagine if we're not, how will people identify us, our beliefs and works?!

I also grew up a Pentecostal for over 19 years
Did research in all the religious organization in the world including those we don't even practice here and the ones that are extinct
You only identify them not by names or numbers but by their works

Everyone who has left other religions to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses even if they were clergymen will tell you they now enjoy, a real, personal relationship with him and have become more zealous, they don't channel that zeal in criticising former religions. The only people that do so are apostates that leave us cos they are children of the first and greatest apostate, Satan the Devil. They channel their energy in promoting lies against us rather than the 'truth' they claim to have joined
You'll never see any group like the Witnesses anywhere else nor people so peaceful and loving

Why not ask who if they have a personal relationship with God? You jumped into a discussion that doesn't concern you and now you're confusing yourself.

Yeah. I won't see any group of people as hypocritical as the witnesses. Thanks.

Aemmyjah:


Your own problem
When I said life is a miracle, you thought I was speaking French abi
Prayer in itself is a miracle
Miracles are around us
If I say I don't believe in going to religious places for faithhealing, what makes you say I don't believe in miracles?
Tell me the places you know today that do miracles and the miracles you believe that are happening today

If you need a better way to end this discussion, I'll help you out. Because, obviously, you keep repeating the very same thing you've been saying. If you've got no idea what else to say, we can call it a day. It's not compulsory to keep up with this your punchline

pinkylovely:


Why not ask who if they have a personal relationship with God? You jumped into a discussion that doesn't concern you and now you're confusing yourself.

Yeah. I won't see any group of people as hypocritical as the witnesses. Thanks.

We are not hypocritical
Mention one other group as loving as the Witnesses
I've been interacting with Max and he's said so
If I were to complain to you, your head will swell cos you want to hear what you WANT to hear

If you're dissatisfied, it's up to you

Aemmyjah:


See this one
What you just wrote, does it make sense to you?
Why not ask him about his personal relationship with God before he became a Jehovah's Witness, rather you want to judge him blindly
And for your last words, every religion in the world tend to be organized
There was an organization of God's people in Bible times- The nation of Israel and the Christians in the first century and they worshipped God collectively. That made them a brotherhood. They came together and worshipped together

Today too, we're united. Imagine if we're not, how will people identify us, our beliefs and works?!

I also grew up a Pentecostal for over 19 years
Did research in all the religious organization in the world including those we don't even practice here and the ones that are extinct
You only identify them not by names or numbers but by their works

Everyone who has left other religions to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses even if they were clergymen will tell you they now enjoy, a real, personal relationship with him and have become more zealous, they don't channel that zeal in criticising former religions. The only people that do so are apostates that leave us cos they are children of the first and greatest apostate, Satan the Devil. They channel their energy in promoting lies against us rather than the 'truth' they claim to have joined
You'll never see any group like the Witnesses anywhere else nor people so peaceful and loving

So, you shouldn't even be engaging in a discussion with me because I'm an 'apostate'. Or haven't the governing body been reminding y'all about the need to not argue with apostates? You need to keep your spirituality, remember?

I don't even know why y'all keep lurking around pages like this picking up arguments with people about the denomination. If you are really as spiritual as the denomination expects you to be, you shouldn't be answering me. Because, obviously I'm part of Babylon the Great and destined for destruction.

Have a nice evening eh!

pinkylovely:

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If you need a better way to end this discussion, I'll help you out. Because, obviously, you keep repeating the very same thing you've been saying. If you've got no idea what else to say, we can call it a day. It's not compulsory to keep up with this your punchline

Good
Next time, when someone says he believes in something or not
You're not to come to tell him he does not believe what he claims to believe him
Does that make sense
I was not talking to you and you picked it up from there

I told you I believe in miracles, you dispute that
Tell me the miracles you see today and where they are performed, you can't mention any
You wanted me to tell you I don't believe in miracles right?
That's how your mind starts to get badly critical of others when you choose to become wise in your own eyes

Aemmyjah:


We are not hypocritical
Mention one other group as loving as the Witnesses
I've been interacting with Max and he's said so
If I were to complain to you, your head will swell cos you want to hear what you WANT to hear

If you're dissatisfied, it's up to you

Don't know where you came from to join this discussion though. And the JWs are not hypocrital? Lol! No make me laugh abeg. From the elders to the ministerial servants, down to the pioneers, a high amount of them are all HYPOCRITES!

They PRETEND to love you but they don't! I've had first hand experience. And for someone who was born into the denomination, it isn't something I concluded within days or even months.

The very thing you criticize other denominations for is the very same thing the JWs do. So, there's no point arguing or trying to prove to me that the JWs are better

Aemmyjah:


Good
Next time, when someone says he believes in something or not
You're not to come to tell him he does not believe what he claims to believe him
Does that make sense
I was not talking to you and you picked it up from there

I told you I believe in miracles, you dispute that
Tell me the miracles you see today and where they are performed, you can't mention any
You wanted me to tell you I don't believe in miracles right?
That's how your mind starts to get badly critical of others when you choose to become wise in your own eyes

And I'll still say what I earlier said 'stop lying to yourself!'. Same way y'all go out in the field ministry DECIEVING PEOPLE that they'll see their dead loved ones again when you've already marked them as 'wicked' in your hearts.

'Tell me the miracles you see today...' Again, same punchline. You don't believe in miracles and that's the fact! And the JW denomination does not believe in it. The governing body does not as well. They give you scriptures in the reasoning from the scripture book explaining to you why all modern day miracles are false.

Yet, you come here lying to yourself and talking about the miracle of life. Yeah? An everyday phenomenon as a miracle? I hear you!

pinkylovely:


So, you shouldn't even be engaging in a discussion with me because I'm an 'apostate'. Or haven't the governing body been reminding y'all about the need to not argue with apostates? You need to keep your spirituality, remember?

I don't even know why y'all keep lurking around pages like this picking up arguments with people about the denomination. If you are really as spiritual as the denomination expects you to be, you shouldn't be answering me. Because, obviously I'm part of Babylon the Great and destined for destruction.

Have a nice evening eh!

You're already tagging yourself an apostate
You're free to join any religious group you like but I bet you will NOT find any religious group clean in terms of morals and spirituality like the Witnesses
You won't find a group like us
Your fellow apostate will offer you shepherding visits and comfort
You're free to leave, all of us are finding joy in helping sincere, honesthearted ones in coming to know Jehovah. I have been sharing such joy despite many challenges
I saw your conversations with Courz and I was laughing
Courz that was condemning commemorating Jesus Christ death as if we are the only ones that remember his death. Same man was saying the name Jehovah also represent Satan as if we are the only ones that use the name. You have handed your mind over to something else and you can't blame Max for being a Witness. Our organization has to be orderly


You started by accusing me when I mentioned miracles
Since you have nothing reasonable to say, you want to run away claiming apostate and joining babylon the great
Run away to your cradle

Aemmyjah:


You're already tagging yourself an apostate
You're free to join any religious group you like but I bet you will NOT find any religious group clean in terms of morals and spirituality like the Witnesses
You won't find a group like us
Your fellow apostate will offer you shepherding visits and comfort
You're free to leave, all of us are finding joy in helping sincere, honesthearted ones in coming to know Jehovah. I have been sharing such joy despite many challenges
I saw your conversations with Courz and I was laughing
Courz that was condemning commemorating Jesus Christ death as if we are the only ones that remember his death. Same man was saying the name Jehovah also represent Satan as if we are the only ones that use the name. You have handed your mind over to something else and you can't blame Max for being a Witness. Our organization has to be orderly


You started by accusing me when I mentioned miracles
Since you have nothing reasonable to say, you want to run away claiming apostate and joining babylon the great
Run away to your cradle

Yeah! I won't find any religious group as discriminating and hypocrital! I understand.

The JW denomination tags people who doubt the denominational belief system as apostates. And you know that! Stop trying to push the whole stuff to me. You know quite well that if we were to have a face to face conversation, you'll have the elders involved in a bid to helping me rekindle my love in Jehovah. So, what you just said makes no sense.

Between, who's Courz? Saw a conversation I found to be TRUE about the JW denomination and I agreed to it. Where's the 'same man that saying Jehovah represents Satan' coming from?

Wasn't accusing you. Was telling you the truth. Yeah. Same way you are running away by using the same repititive question of listing the miracles I see today even when I had mentioned them. Lol.

Don't worry, when the time comes, we'll hear! Hopefully, you are not part of those elders who go about molesting young children in the organization. Oh! You may still be quite new to the system. So, that's okay.

pinkylovely:


And I'll still say what I earlier said 'stop lying to yourself!'. Same way y'all go out in the field ministry DECIEVING PEOPLE that they'll see their dead loved ones again when you've already marked them as 'wicked' in your hearts.

'Tell me the miracles you see today...' Again, same punchline. You don't believe in miracles and that's the fact! And the JW denomination does not believe in it. The governing body does not as well. They give you scriptures in the reasoning from the scripture book explaining to you why all modern day miracles are false.

Yet, you come here lying to yourself and talking about the miracle of life. Yeah? An everyday phenomenon as a miracle? I hear you!

Lol
What are you saying
You grew up in a JW background but you know nothing
You o my mention what you think you know
We preach and base all we said on the Bible
You go to meetings and learn nothing
We don't preach that bad people go to hell
The bible says our dead loved ones will be resurrected with the prospect of living forever. Which other christian group does that?
I said I don't believe in going to meet any religious person for miracles, is that hard for you to understand?
Is it only in churches people see such wonders? Some muslim clerics to do same, some members of Eckanker do same, juju doctors do same. Are they from God?

Again, show me just ONE real miracle done today or the church that does so. Jesus christ was known as miracle worker so you too should know places where they do miracles or remain mute if you don't know

Paul preached the resurrection to the gentiles
Today too, we tell all about God's promise that he will resurrect the righteous and the unrighteous and that includes their loved ones.
We don't judge anyone as wicked even in our hearts even if they don't accept our message cos some of us were once like that.

You don't know anything about Jehovah's witnesses. You grew up in such family but knew nothing

Aemmyjah:


Lol
What are you saying
You grew up in a JW background but you know nothing
You o my mention what you think you know
We preach and base all we said on the Bible
You go to meetings and learn nothing
We don't preach that bad people go to hell
The bible says our dead loved ones will be resurrected with the prospect of living forever. Which other christian group does that?
I said I don't believe in going to meet any religious person for miracles, is that hard for you to understand?
Is it only in churches people see such wonders? Some muslim clerics to do same, some members of Eckanker do same, juju doctors do same. Are they from God?

Again, show me just ONE real miracle done today or the church that does so. Jesus christ was known as miracle worker so you too should know places where they do miracles or remain mute if you don't know

Paul preached the resurrection to the gentiles
Today too, we tell all about God's promise that he will resurrect the righteous and the unrighteous and that includes their loved ones.
We don't judge anyone as wicked even in our hearts even if they don't accept our message cos some of us were once like that.

You don't know anything about Jehovah's witnesses. You grew up in such family but knew nothing

Ohhh! Good thing you've said it in the most plain words now. Lol!

Reread my message before you start beating around the bush again. When you go out to preach and meet a householder who has lost a loved one in death, what do you tell them?! You open the same scriptures the governing body has approved for y'all and open your MOUTH to tell them that they'll see their dead loved one again. Thesame dead loved one who attends a different denomination altogether. Thesame dead loved one who has been actively participating in other religious activities, thesame dead loved one you've already judged and seen to be destined for destruction in your heart! It's thesame dead loved one you LIE to a householder about in a bid to showing YOUR HYPOCRITAL LOVE and EMPATHY that they'll see their loved one again!

The very same loved one that you've classified as part of babylon the great and part of the wicked!

I remember going out with a sister who met an Olumba woman who had lost her sister in death. The sister had the guts to open scriptures, comforting her that she'll see her sister again. Yeah??! This same sister that was also part of the Olumba denomination and held notable positions there. This same sister that wasn't doing what the denomination will approve as being worthy for resurrection??! Why the stupid lie??

pinkylovely:


Don't know where you came from to join this discussion though. And the JWs are not hypocrital? Lol! No make me laugh abeg. From the elders to the ministerial servants, down to the pioneers, a high amount of them are all HYPOCRITES!

They PRETEND to love you but they don't! I've had first hand experience. And for someone who was born into the denomination, it isn't something I concluded within days or even months.

The very thing you criticize other denominations for is the very same thing the JWs do. So, there's no point arguing or trying to prove to me that the JWs are better

Show us a better performing group
Infact show us a group that does same or even half of what Jehovah's Witnesses do

We are not perfect
Sometimes, we make mistakes that really offend others even in the congregation both action and speech

It has happened among God's people from ancient times
A faithful man of God who was ruling killed one of his loyal soldiers after commiting adultery and impregnating her. If you were a brother to that man, will you choose to leave the organization cos the King was not executed which was the right judgement.
High priest Eli children who were priests were corrupt and immoral and Eli did nothing about it. Would you have said the nation was not of God and left?
Some kings were bad, others were good

Even in Jesus Christ time, some things he said and did was shocking that even 70 of his disciples who once preached and returned happily left him but the 12 remained though they don't fully understand what Jesus meant about eating his flesh and drinking his blood
There were constant argument among his followers about who was the greatest; they abandoned him on the night of his arrest, one betrayed and sold him,one denied him three times, even cutting the ear of a slave out of defense for the Lord. If you were there and witnessed these things, will you have thought that Jesus Christ was not the Messiah

Even after the christian congregation was formed, there were issues
At some point, there was prejudice
Another point, Peter who was part of the GB and some of his friends acted discriminately and hypocritically
Another time, a man in the congregation was having an affair with his father's wife and the congregation was quiet about it
Another time, James wrote about some who were prejudiced towards the poor
Even Jesus Christ reproved some in his revelation to John

What about today, our brothers and sisters are imperfect and sometimes may act selfishly, discriminately, say or do things that hurt us. We forgive to promote peace, love and unity...
Your points are meaningless

Thos two people you interacted with in the thread you shared, if you listen to them individually. The only common thing is that they are apostates but their views and beliefs are so contradictory

If you like, you're free to leave
As for me, Jehovah brought me to himself
I'm not gonna leave the faith for anything or anyone

Aemmyjah:


You're already tagging yourself an apostate
You're free to join any religious group you like but I bet you will NOT find any religious group clean in terms of morals and spirituality like the Witnesses
You won't find a group like us

If she is really free to join other religions just the same way you JWs say people are free to join yours, why is Watchtower holding people ransom by destroying the Family unit, destroying family relationships by teaching you JWs the demonic teaching of shunning people that leave? Is that not how Cults operate? In many countries, there are JW families that haven't spoken to one another for more than 10 years, even till death. Some do not get to know when their family members die just because they left the Cult! Your Cult is demonic! They destroy Families and they are paying the price when they keep get taken to court over and over. The Norwegian government have stopped funding Watchtower because of this destructive policy. And your foolish senile Freemason gods, the Governing body in your recent broadcast were lamenting about it. They must really love free money so much for them to ask you foolish JWs to pray for them.

If your Cult is the best religion in the world, why are there victims of Child Sexual Abuse and those victims are taking Watchtower to court? And why is The lovely and Holy Watchtower punishing victims for speaking out? Why is Watchtower selling Kingdom halls, Bethel branches and Assembly halls around the world if you JWs have no match outside amongst religions? Why are people so eager to leave your Cult still? Why are there Pedophiles in your Cult? Why is there Adultery, Fornication, Murder, suicide, Tribalism, Racism, etc happening amongst you if truly no one will find a better religion better than yours? Why are there PIMOs eager to leave in your Cult? The way you talk boasting about your Cult is just like an abusive Husband boasting to his wife that she will never get any man better than him. Goes to show the abusive nature of your Cult.

Bow your head in shame because several people completely disagree with you with the many Kingdom halls being sold. A better alternative to JW is JESUS! Jesus Christ! Everyone should leave that Satanic Cult of yours and follow Jesus! I know that this is a completely foreign concept to you because you are not a Christian. Let that sink in!

Aemmyjah:


Show us a better performing group
Infact show us a group that does same or even half of what Jehovah's Witnesses do

We are not perfect
Sometimes, we make mistakes that really offend others even in the congregation both action and speech

It has happened among God's people from ancient times
A faithful man of God who was ruling killed one of his loyal soldiers after commiting adultery and impregnating her. If you were a brother to that man, will you choose to leave the organization cos the King was not executed which was the right judgement.
High priest Eli children who were priests were corrupt and immoral and Eli did nothing about it. Would you have said the nation was not of God and left?
Some kings were bad, others were good

Even in Jesus Christ time, some things he said and did was shocking that even 70 of his disciples who once preached and returned happily left him but the 12 remained though they don't fully understand what Jesus meant about eating his flesh and drinking his blood
There were constant argument among his followers about who was the greatest; they abandoned him on the night of his arrest, one betrayed and sold him,one denied him three times, even cutting the ear of a slave out of defense for the Lord. If you were there and witnessed these things, will you have thought that Jesus Christ was not the Messiah

Even after the christian congregation was formed, there were issues
At some point, there was prejudice
Another point, Peter who was part of the GB and some of his friends acted discriminately and hypocritically
Another time, a man in the congregation was having an affair with his father's wife and the congregation was quiet about it
Another time, James wrote about some who were prejudiced towards the poor
Even Jesus Christ reproved some in his revelation to John

What about today, our brothers and sisters are imperfect and sometimes may act selfishly, discriminately, say or do things that hurt us. We forgive to promote peace, love and unity...
Your points are meaningless

Thos two people you interacted with in the thread you shared, if you listen to them individually. The only common thing is that they are apostates but their views and beliefs are so contradictory

If you like, you're free to leave
As for me, Jehovah brought me to himself
I'm not gonna leave the faith for anything or anyone

Oh..you agree you are not perfect but won't do thesame if you notice same in some other religious denomination and if they also give thesame idealogy of lack of perfection..SMH.

You still have a very long way to go. Really! As long as I've known this JW denomination, it is just as faulty as other denominations that the JWs tag to be Babylon the Great - the world empire of false religion.

I'll show you a group. Promise me you'll come and interact with the group and attend their religious services to confirm what I've said. Promise?

When something gets too much, there's no need masking it with the imperfection thing. No need at all. You've definitely not interacted with lots of JWs and see WHAT BROTHERS DO!! Most of them living the double lives! What differentiates them from guys of other denominations? The fact that they live double lives!! People that do rubbish under the covering of elder and ministerial servants.

E better make person just come out clear sey him dey misbehave than hiding nonesense yet criticizing others!!

Courz:


If she is really free to join other religions just the same way you JWs say people are free to join yours, why is Watchtower holding people ransom by destroying the Family unit, destroying family relationships by teaching you JWs the demonic teaching of shunning people that leave? Is that not how Cults operate? In many countries, there are JW families that haven't spoken to one another for more than 10 years, even till death. Some do not get to know when their family members die just because they left the Cult! Your Cult is demonic! They destroy Families and they are paying the price when they keep get taken to court over and over. The Norwegian government have stopped funding Watchtower because of this destructive policy. And your foolish senile Freemason gods, the Governing body in your recent broadcast were lamenting about it. They must really love free money so much for them to ask you foolish JWs to pray for them.

If your Cult is the best religion in the world, why are there victims of Child Sexual Abuse and those victims are taking Watchtower to court? And why is The lovely and Holy Watchtower punishing victims for speaking out? Why is Watchtower selling Kingdom halls, Bethel branches and Assembly halls around the world if you JWs have no match outside amongst religions? Why are people so eager to leave your Cult still? Why are there Pedophiles in your Cult? Why is there Adultery, Fornication, Murder, suicide, Tribalism, Racism, etc happening amongst you if truly no one will find a better religion better than yours? Why are there PIMOs eager to leave in your Cult? The way you talk boasting about your Cult is just like an abusive Husband boasting to his wife that she will never get any man better than him. Goes to show the abusive nature of your Cult.

Bow your head in shame because several people completely disagree with you with the many Kingdom halls being sold. A better alternative to JW is JESUS! Jesus Christ! Everyone should leave that Satanic Cult of yours and follow Jesus! I know that this is a completely foreign concept to you because you are not a Christian. Let that sink in!

Exactly! Assuming I was having this conversation with him face to face, they would've held a judicial committee for me in a time, tagged me as a lost sheep and a prodigal child who has left Jehovah. They'll have me removed from the denomination and have completely stop having anything to do with me!! This is the exact reason a lot of people who would've left since are still there TIED down to some stupid denomination.

A denomination where a father could go as far as disowning his own child and not even reaching out even in times of serious need. Stupid cult system!!

And yes, Jesus is the key!