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Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by AntiChristian: 10:23am On Dec 10, 2022 |
advocatejare: It seems your teacher's didn't school you on conditional statements containing "If". How does the above mean boasting on a mission? What a mega liar Compare your verse with that below! But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Rev 21:8 As all of una with TenQ and Hissplendour dey tell lies....dey prepare straight for hell! 2 Likes |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by TenQ: 10:26am On Dec 10, 2022 |
LegalWolf:LegalWolf, What happens if your wives on earth decide to marry Mohammed in paradise? 1 Like |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by LegalWolf: 10:34am On Dec 10, 2022 |
TenQ: |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by TenQ: 10:36am On Dec 10, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Lies supported from the Quran, Hadiths and backed up with your tafsirs!? Then , they must be really good lies! LOL!! |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by AntiChristian: 10:37am On Dec 10, 2022 |
TenQ: Where is the support? Liar! Hell straight! |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by TenQ: 10:45am On Dec 10, 2022 |
HisSplendor: TenQ: Of course you are all correct. I thought I explained it to him enough about the traditional gleaning of the crops in Israel about except about the colt's owner where I just quoted the scripture and highlighted in bold for him to read. Thanks anyways, we learn everyday and we get better everyday as we serve Our Lord and Christ. 1 Like |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by HisSplendor: 10:47am On Dec 10, 2022 |
TenQ: Your welcome brother. 1 Like |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by TenQ: 10:51am On Dec 10, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Show me posts I created on NL about Islam that DO not Reference the Quran and/or Hadith and/or the Tafsirs! 1 Like |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by advocatejare(m): 11:11am On Dec 10, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Liar, thank God you know how you will end. Show me the “if” in the statement of Allah that he will fill hellfire with you: We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, “I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together.” -Surah 32:13 1 Like |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by AntiChristian: 11:18am On Dec 10, 2022 |
TenQ: It may contain them but do they justify your claims? That's the lie! |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by AntiChristian: 11:22am On Dec 10, 2022 |
advocatejare: Make i no ask you "If" in Arabic! Sahih International: And if we had willed, We could have given every soul its guidance, but the word from Me will come into effect [that] "I will surely fill Hell with jinn and people all together. Pickthall: And if We had so willed, We could have given every soul its guidance, but the word from Me concerning evildoers took effect: that I will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. Yusuf Ali: If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, "I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together." Shakir: And if We had pleased We would certainly have given to every soul its guidance, but the word (which had gone forth) from Me was just: I will certainly fill hell with the jinn and men together. Mohsin Khan: And if We had willed, surely! We would have given every person his guidance, but the Word from Me took effect (about evildoers), that I will fill Hell with jinn and mankind together. Arberry: 'If We had so willed, We could have given every soul its guidance; but now My Word is realized -- " Assuredly I shall fill Gehenna with jinn and men all together." But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Rev 21:8 Stop telling lies! 1 Like |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by advocatejare(m): 11:27am On Dec 10, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Leave babbling. Show us the Torah that Allah said he revealed, show us the scriptures that Allah said the Quran came to confirm, show us the scriptures that Allah said people of the book should judge themselves with! “ He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel” -Quran 3:3 Say, “O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.” - Quran 5:68 In surah 61:6 “And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O Children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allāh to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Aḥmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic." If the gospel is lost which one was Waraqa copying and reading in the time of Muhammad? Waraqa bn Nafaul the one that pronounced Muhammad as a prophet used to read and copy the Gospel (Sahih Bukhari 3) as Allah permitted him, would Allah have permitted Waraqa to copy from a corrupted or lost gospel? Sahih al-Bukhari 3 Narrated 'Aisha (the mother of the faithful believers): The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright daylight, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food likewise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, "I do not know how to read." The Prophet (ﷺ) added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists), created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3) Then Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while. |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by advocatejare(m): 11:30am On Dec 10, 2022 |
AntiChristian:The “if” is that if he willed, he could have not misguided people, but he didn’t will so he has misguided of all you and he boasted that he will fill hell with you people, simple English you don’t understand There is no “if” before “I will surely fill hell with jinn and men” That was a direct statement. Liar, you know where all liars will end! |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by TenQ: 11:34am On Dec 10, 2022 |
AntiChristian:It would only be a lie if the verses quoted are FABRICATED: unfortunately, they are from your Islamic literatures AND I always Add REFERENCES so that you can verify. I then go AHEAD to ASK QUESTIONS: then Instead of Muslims answering the Questions to CORRECT any perceived MISCONCEPTION by me, what do they DO!? 1. Like you AntiChristian, Muslims claim, it's a LIE without Justifying why its a lie NOR pointing out where the POSTS are lies. No single Rebuttal to TenQ's post. 2. Like Lukuluku (he is still the best of the whole lot of you) , some Muslims answers other related questions avoiding the main issue at stake. 3. Like LegalWolf who thinks by writing IRRELEVANT volumes of words, NEVER even coming close to responding to any issues while at the same time resorting to SLANDER and Name calling 4. Like vannessa7 who will pretend she didn't read the post. 5. Other muslims are a mixture of the above. |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by AntiChristian: 11:45am On Dec 10, 2022 |
TenQ: 1 Like |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by Ekrenji: 11:58am On Dec 10, 2022 |
See advocatejare:Unbelievable! |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by TenQ: 12:09pm On Dec 10, 2022 |
[quote author=AntiChristian post=119047703][/quote] If you ask any Muslim the Question: "Who has the power to forgive sins?", The obvious response would be Allah only! AND If you ask any Muslim the Question: "Who has the power to admit people into paradise"? , The obvious response still would be Allah only! HOWEVER: Evidence from the Shahada: 1. We know that it is impossible for anyone now to become a Muslim WITHOUT reciting the shahada pledging a belief in both Allah and Mohammed. 2. Evidence from the Qur'an Qur'an 46:31 O our people! respond to Allah’s summoner and believe in Him. He will forgive you some of your sins and guard you from a painful doom. Observations: 1. Muslims are enjoined by Allah to have faith in Mohammed 2. Mohammed has the power to forgive sins of Muslims AND 3. save them from painful hellfire 4. HOWEVER, It seems UNLIKE Allah, Mohammed can only forgive SOME of Muslim's sins. This is also confirmed in the next Quranic verse Qur'an 4:64 We sent no messenger save that he should be obeyed by Allah’s leave. And if, when they had wronged themselves, they had but come unto thee and asked forgiveness of Allah, and asked forgiveness of the messenger, they would have found Allah Forgiving, Merciful. We can see two personalities who can forgive sins 1. Allah 2. Mohammed the Messanger 3. Evidence from the Hadith To make it more clear, we can check the Hadiths (the hadith is long but you can read the full text in www.sunnah.com Sahih Bukhari 7410 Narrated Anas: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Allah will gather the believers on the Day of Resurrection in the same way (as they are gathered in this life), and they will say, 'Let us ask someone to intercede for us with our Lord that He may relieve us from this place of ours.' .. ... They will go to Jesus who will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking, but you'd better go to Muhammad whose sins of the past and the future had been forgiven (by Allah).' So they will come to me and I will ask the permission of my Lord, and I will be permitted (to present myself) before Him. ..... O Muhammad! Raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for you will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will then raise my head and praise my Lord with certain praises which He has taught me, and then I will intercede. Allah will allow me to intercede (for a certain kind of people) and will fix a limit whom I will admit into Paradise. The story starts from Adam, then to Noah, then to Abraham, then to Moses and eventually to Jesus who would ALL reject the assignment because they are UNFIT for it. It is amazing that even though Jesus didn't have any excuse for being UNFIT, he recommends Mohammed as the one that is perfect for the assignment. To cut the long story short, we can see that Mohammed would be the one to ADMIT people into paradise and NOT Allah. Yet, Muslims try to convince everyone that only Allah can admit people into paradise. QUESTIONS: 1. Since we can see that Mohammed can forgive Sins like Allah AND he is the one to Admit Muslims into paradise; What are the explanations you have that Mohammed is not a PARTNER with Allah? 2. What are the kinds of sins Mohammed cannot forgive? Copy: I’m tagging you before you claim that you are not aware of this challenge to answer my question. LegalWolf, vannessa7 Empiree, AntiChristian, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by advocatejare(m): 1:02pm On Dec 10, 2022 |
Ekrenji:E shock you? |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by advocatejare(m): 1:16pm On Dec 10, 2022 |
TenQ:They are all hiding. Before we descended on them here on Nairaland, they used to run their mouth as if they understand Islam and they are scholars but now they have been humbled especially that guy called x123xllols he used to boast that the Quran had mathematical miracles until I exposed his folly https://www.nairaland.com/6954365/quran-truly-mathematically-correct |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by AntiChristian: 1:36pm On Dec 10, 2022 |
advocatejare: Re-read your sentence above. You said if Allah had willed he could have not misguided people! Then you said he didn't will to misguide people. Then you now ended with "He has misguided all of you" That's how inconsistent a liar is! |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by TenQ: 1:44pm On Dec 10, 2022 |
advocatejare:We would scream the truth on the Rooftop BUT We shall also pray for Muslims. Islam: A stack of lies! A boundage steamed in IGNORANCE! 1 Like |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by Matrixlord2021: 1:52pm On Dec 10, 2022 |
It is clear that christians bless and moslems curse with spells and incantations. The Yoruba Muslims are the ones responsible for some kind of insecurity in the southwest by harbouring their so called Muslim brothers who are terrorists under the guise of religion. Sometimes they forget culture comes first and that the only positive side of culture should be respect. Even ,the bible supports respect.but Islam came and took away the culture of the first northerners and eliminated respect of others from them and gave them a new ideology and doctrine to go to other strangers lands and continue disrespecting them and creating problems. Right now as we speak there are terrorists in Lagos state awaiting to unleash mayhem. There are some of them housed by the MOSLEMS IN their mosques . One wonders why Jesus Christ said "My kindgom is not of this world but from hence or else my servants would fight!! Muhammed knew his kingdom is of this world so he commanded his servants and adherents to fight carnally and kill those who don't submit to his father Allah!!! It is glaring that spells and incantations are two diabolical ways core extreme and nominal Muslims use to attack careless christians!!! This is the truth and that is also why the typical Alfa,the typical sheikh and the izier are after Hot christian girls or worldly christian girls to marry and convert them by using spells and incantations to make them reprobate and have blockhead and forget who they are. Christians should take note of our warfare it is not carnal but spiritual. Here are scriptures to negate Islamic spells and incantations without fighting them carnally. Numbers 23:23 Surely there is no enchantment against Jacob, neither is there any divination against Israel: according to this time it shall be said of Jacob and of Israel, What hath God wrought! Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. These two verses negate every evil and hard speeches that Muslim priests cite and every incantations they say in Arabic as early as 4am during their prayers against christians. LET IT BE KNOWN,WE ARE NOT SERVING THE SAME GOD. Allah is not GOD OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH. ONE CURSES,THE OTHER BLESSES EVEN THOSE WHO DONT FOLLOW HIM |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by advocatejare(m): 3:34pm On Dec 10, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Let’s talk about Allah boasting about filling hell with you people first, that boast didn’t start with “if”. Liar |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by AntiChristian: 6:32pm On Dec 10, 2022 |
advocatejare: Agree that you lied first! |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by advocatejare(m): 9:51pm On Dec 10, 2022 |
AntiChristian:I didn’t lie, there is no “if” before “I will fill hell with …” |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by advocatejare(m): 10:40pm On Dec 10, 2022 |
AntiChristian:What I wrote was if Allah had willed he could not have misguided people, but he didn’t will (not to misguide people) so he misguided all of you. Your problem is you don’t understand English, that is why you thought I was not consistent. Olodo rabata ni e. You need to go and collect your school fees back from your English teacher |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by AntiChristian: 8:15am On Dec 11, 2022 |
advocatejare: I know you'll never accept your error! You even know more than Jesus! Allah didn't misguide us! You lied again! |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by advocatejare(m): 10:01am On Dec 11, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Accept that you goofed, English language is your problem. I didn’t make any error. Allah said if he willed he would have guided you but the word from him must be fulfilled that he will fill hell with you and jinns. If the misguided ones end up in hell and he is saying that you will be in hell, has he not misguided you? If your Fatiha that you recite at least 5 times daily is always saying lead us to the right path even as Muslims, then you should know that you’re on the wrong path and that’s why you will end in hell in your continue following the one that boasted that he will fill hell with you! |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by Ekrenji: 7:20pm On Dec 12, 2022 |
advocatejare:E over shock me sef |
Re: Incantations/spells Are Permitted In Islam by Lukuluku69(m): 9:35pm On Dec 12, 2022 |
Matrixlord2021: Na sawdust full your brain. |
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