I've been under a few other men of God but none stood out for me like pastor Adeboye. As in the power of God I've experienced from him, his humility and genuine walk and spiritual exercises just makes him outstanding among his fellow GOs.

Yesterdays holy ghost service was one of a kind. The power of God truly came down and I felt it. When he was doing the 360 turn, the power of God was just moving so heavily I felt I was going to throw up my spirit from within me. My spirit was literally trying to jump out of my body. Hmmm.... God is truly with Adeboye..

May God keep him for us. Amen.

I am blessed.

Amen

Blessedmercy8:

Yesterdays holy ghost service was one of a kind. The power of God truly came down and I felt it. When he was doing the 360 turn, the power of God was just moving so heavily I felt I was going to throw up my spirit from within me. My spirit was literally trying to jump out of my body. Hmmm.... God is truly with Adeboye..

May God keep him for us. Amen.
I am blessed.

For how long will you lot continue to live in this delusion abeg!

Unbelievers also speak of having the very same euphoric experience at rock concerts with their favorite rock stars, orchestras, etc. For you to believe your particular experience has to do with God and His Spirit reveals you have never in fact ever experienced God in your life. God does not deal with His followers via feelings and emotions. His power is not of your temporal emotions and feelings. Your mogs and pastors are no different from magicians given the way you describe your encounters.

As much as I may not agree with the Op, what's your problem with her personal experience?

You delight in saying things that has no biblical basis.
Who cares about what you feel.
Your personal experiences or understanding should remain with you abeg.

If you feel you want to teach about what you know, create a thread

Imagine, God doesn't deal with His followers with emotion... Bla bla bla.
But He has emotions, in His presence is fullness of Joy and at His right hand are pleasure..
Wetin be Joy and pleasure?

Kobojunkie:
For how long will you lot continue to live in this delusion abeg!

Unbelievers also speak of having the very same euphoric experience at rock concerts with their favorite rock stars, orchestras, etc. For you to believe your particular experience has to do with God and His Spirit reveals you have never in fact ever experienced God in your life. God does not deal with His followers via feelings and emotions. His power is not of your temporal emotions and feelings. Your mogs and pastors are no different from magicians given the way you describe your encounters.

Naira20:
As much as I may not agree with the Op, what's your problem with her personal experience?

You delight in saying things that has no biblical basis.
Who cares about what you feel.
Your personal experiences or understanding should remain with you abeg.

If you feel you want to teach about what you know, create a thread

Imagine, God doesn't deal with His followers with emotion... Bla bla bla.
But He has emotions, in His presence is fullness of Joy and His right hand are pleasure..
Wetin be Joy and pleasure?

Kobo is the most expressive loony on NL. I wouldn't touch him with a 6 foot pole. He's a covert atheist on a mission.

Whatever he is, I hate to see ignoramuses forming scholars.

Pastoshizzy:
Kobo is the most expressive loony on NL. I wouldn't touch him with a 6 foot pole. He's a covert atheist on a mission.

Naira20:
1. As much as I may not agree with the Op, what's your problem with her personal experience?
You delight in saying things that has no biblical basis. Who cares about what you feel. Your personal experiences or understanding should remain with you abeg.

2. If you feel you want to teach about what you know, create a thread

3. Imagine, God doesn't deal with His followers with emotion... Bla bla bla.
But He has emotions, in His presence is fullness of Joy and His right hand are pleasure..
4. Wetin be Joy and pleasure?

1. Personal experience? I am simply pointing out to OP that when it comes to the power of God, and His Spirit, the experience of either is beyond what are the boundaries that are one's emotions. Jesus Christ, for instance, had the same Spirit of Truth living on the inside of Him, and not once did He ramble on about how emotionally exhilarating having the power and spirit of God is. Why so-called Christians now reduce both to just that, emotions and feelings, is beyond me.

2. I don't feel I want to create a thread about anything though.

3. It is precisely that. God doesn't deal with you via your emotions and feelings - that is not the connection the Spirit of God aka the same Spirit of Truth who lives inside of Jesus Christ - John 14 vs 6 - operates. Jesus Christ more than explained this to you all in John 14 vs 15 - 17 & John 14 vs 25 - 27 & John 15 vs 26 - 27 & John 16 vs 4 - 15. Why you refuse to accept His Truth is beyond Him, but dont pretend you can then spew lies instead and not be called out for just that.

4. Let me guess, you assume the joy and peace that comes from God equates to the sort of feeling of joy and peace you feel when your bills and worries are all catered to in this world? LOL... you haven't even begun to understand the things of God if so.

Throwing Bible verses without understanding them is balderdash.

Listen, it is those without solid biblical background that you can toss around.

God meets everyman He wants to encounter at his or her own level.
God is not complex.

So leave all those packaging.
Every true child of God has the Holy Spirit in them that teaches them.

God deals with people via emotions.
That's why He can convict sinners,there is godly sorrow etc.

Kobojunkie:
1. Personal experience? I am simply pointing out to OP that when it comes to the power of God, and His Spirit, the experience of either is beyond what are the boundaries that are one's emotions. Jesus Christ, for instance, had the same Spirit of Truth living on the inside of Him, and not once did He ramble on about how emotionally exhilarating having the power and spirit of God is. Why so-called Christians now reduce both to just that, emotions and feelings, is beyond me.

2. I don't feel I want to create a thread about anything though.

3. It is precisely that. God doesn't deal with you via your emotions and feelings - that is not the connection the Spirit of God aka the same Spirit of Truth who lives inside of Jesus Christ - John 14 vs 6 - operates. Jesus Christ more than explained this to you all in John 14 vs 15 - 17 & John 14 vs 25 - 27 & John 15 vs 26 - 27 & John 16 vs 4 - 15. Why you refuse to accept His Truth is beyond Him, but dont pretend you can then spew lies instead and not be called out for just that.

Naira20:
1. Throwing Bible verses without understanding them is balderdash. Listen, it is those without solid biblical background that you can toss around.

2. God meets everyman He wants to encounter at his or her own level.
God is not complex.

3. So leave all those packaging. Every true child of God has the Holy Spirit in them that teaches them. God deals with people via emotions.That's why He can convict sinners,there is godly sorrow etc.

1. None of those verses from those passages are quoted or thrown outside of logical context, but it seems you are simply trying to get around revealing your ignorance of what is in fact written in scripture.

2. That is an absolute lie! God's standard for all men in Jesus Christ is the exact same standard and His mandate to all men has remained the very same since the beginning - Obey Me!. So if you think that God will lower His standard to your level or bend His Law to please men, then you don't know who God is at all nor have you ever encountered Him because according to Him, only those who Obey Him can encounter Him.

Obedience is the Key and the only level via which any man can encounter God and God has never changed that mandate —not for any man.

3. Leave Packaging? You lot are the ones who go around regurgitating the packaged lies your pastors and mogs feed you as if to suggest those lies can upturn scripture by your restating of them. Also, if you really believe the statement in bold as fact, then of what use are your many pastors and mogs to your lives?

Look, God does not deal with people via emotions. Instead, what Jesus Christ told you the Spirit of Truth will do is to convict sinners by using the same Truth that is Jesus Christ. That is not an emotional experience. NO, it is one of logic /reasoning.

Copying prepared text won't change a thing.
The Bible is simple to any true believer.

I asked a simple question

What is "Joy", " pleasure", "godly sorrow"?

Kobojunkie:
1. None of those verses from those passages are quoted or thrown outside of logical context, but it seems you are simply trying to get around revealing your ignorance of what is in fact written in scripture.

2. That is an absolute lie! God's standard for all men in Jesus Christ is the exact same standard and His mandate to all men has remained the very same since the beginning - Obey Me!. So if you think that God will lower His standard to your level or bend His Law to please men, then you don't know who God is at all nor have you ever encountered Him because according to Him, only those who Obey Him can encounter Him.

Obedience is the Key and the only level via which any man can encounter God and God has never changed that mandate —not for any man.

Naira20:
1. Copying prepared text won't change a thing. The Bible is simple to any true believer.

2. I asked a simple question. What is "Joy", " pleasure", "godly sorrow"?

1. The bible is simple, yet every single claim you have spewed so far happens to be nonscriptural. How come?

2. LOL... I already gave you the most befitting response to this.

Kikikiki..
You never read
In your presence is fullness of joy, and your right hand are pleasures for evermore...
You've never read
Godly sorrow worketh repentance..?

Guy forget all these packaging.
The Bible is simple and only the Spirit of God interpretes in the simplest of language to every believer.


He gives peace.Peace that passes all understanding.
What is peace?

I know you've not seen that too in your Bible.

You think copying some useless ideas and spicing them with Bible verses makes them valid

Kobojunkie:
1. The bible is simple, yet every single claim you have spewed so far happens to be nonscriptural. How come?

2. LOL... I already gave you the most befitting response to this.

Naira20:
1. Kikikiki..You never read. In your presence is fullness of joy, and your right hand are pleasures for evermore... You've never read Godly sorrow worketh repentance..?

2. Guy forget all these packaging.The Bible is simple and only the Spirit of God interpretes in the simplest of language to every believer.

3. He gives peace.Peace that passes all understanding. What is peace? I know you've not seen that too in your Bible. You think copying some useless ideas and spicing them with Bible verses makes them valid

1. I am afraid you are the one who isn't doing any reading whatsoever.

I explained in my very first response on this thread that what you lot assume to be joy in the presence of God, unbelievers also experience regularly at nightclubs, strip clubs, concerts, and orchestra halls. Some even spike themselves in order to have a higher level of this feeling of euphoria, so unless you are trying to tell me that the presence of God is also in those nightclubs and strip clubs, I suggest you begin logically processing that which is written in scripture.

As for the presence of God, well, according to Jesus Christ, that presence only exists inside of those who belong to Him — those who obey His teachings and commandments as explained in John 14 vs 15 - 20 & John 15 vs 7 - 11 — so why you think that God's presence exists in a place/location is beyond me. Realize this is the very same Jesus Christ warned His followers against men who would come to them using His name, claiming the presence of God is here or there - Matthew 24 vs 23 - 26.

2. Jesus Christ never said that the Holy Spirit aka the Spirit of Truth's job is to give interpretations of any kind. If you have any understanding of logic, you would note that in Logic, for any particular situation, there is only one Truth meaning all other interpretations and opinions are lies. So when you suggest that the Spirit of Truth interpreted God's Truth what you do is accuse Him, the Spirit of God, of feeding you a claim that is different from that decreed by Jesus Christ, the one who is God's Law — a lie.

3. The Holy Spirit gives peace? According to Scripture, it is instead Jesus Christ who gave to His followers His very own peace - John 16 vs 33, so where do you get that the Spirit of Truth is the one who gives you peace? And by the way, the peace that Jesus Christ gives His followers is not the temporary kind that comes and goes, as it is EVERMORE meaning it never stops or goes away. Your emotional type of peace on the other hand is dependent on your brain chemicals, moods, and dispositions. I hope you can see how it is nothing like your emotional ups and downs.

Kobojunkie is a Muslim..

That's why it was so so convenient for him to quote John 14 being the chapter in the Bible Muslims usually use to wrongly substantiate their claims that Mohammed was mentioned in the Bible..

But come to it, both of you are indeed actually right in your assertions.

That's how God is...

Naira20:
Throwing Bible verses without understanding them is balderdash.

Listen, it is those without solid biblical background that you can toss around.

God meets everyman He wants to encounter at his or her own level.
God is not complex.

So leave all those packaging.
Every true child of God has the Holy Spirit in them that teaches them.

God deals with people via emotions.
That's why He can convict sinners,there is godly sorrow etc.

PlayerMeji:
[b]But come to it, both of you are indeed actually right in your assertions. [/b]That's how God is...

Meaning you believe God speaks out of both sides of His mouth .I.e. God is a Liar to you -- double-mouthed?

Meaning God is infinitesimal with no one person having a full complete grabs of His abilities and capabilities.

He is YES and NO to every question!

Kobojunkie:
Meaning you believe God speaks out of both sides of His mouth .I.e. God is a Liar to you -- double-mouthed?

PlayerMeji:
1. Meaning God is infinitesimal with no one person having a full complete grabs of His abilities and capabilities.

2. He is YES and NO to every question!

1. You just called your God a liar whose truth cannot be clearly deciphered and now you claim He is infinitesimal suggesting that your God is not not infact the God that is above all other gods(the word infinitesimal meanings extremely small -- approaching zero in value).

2. You and I most definitely do not know the same God since your God is nothing but confusion next to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the one who is my God.

You are completely wrong and completely right about my God, Jehovah is His name!

Kobojunkie:
1. You just called your God a liar whose truth cannot be clearly deciphered and now you claim He is infinitesimal suggesting that your God is not not infact the God that is above all other gods(the word infinitesimal meanings extremely small -- approaching zero in value).

2. You and I most definitely do not know the same God since your God is nothing but confusion next to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the one who is my God.

PlayerMeji:
You are completely wrong and completely right about my God, Jehovah is His name!

You are a liar... YHWH is the God of Israel and He is nothing like any of what you have described so far.

Your explanation doesn't detract from the fact that God also relate.with His children via emotions.

I'm really not out to tell you the difference in the joy(a believer feels) and the one you get from the nightclub.
Just as some can't differentiate Love and Lust.

My point is God has emotions and gave us emotions for a purpose.He communicates sometimes to us that way and your ability to decode is dependent on your sensitivity.

Your assertion is wrong and non-scriptural.

As per reading whatever you are trying to say, I have a philosophy of

no matter how big a container containing pure water is just one drop of impurity makes it impure

Whatever you said is standing on falsehood.All you are trying to do is justify it.

Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid you are the one who isn't doing any reading whatsoever.

I explained in my very first response on this thread that what you lot assume to be joy in the presence of God, unbelievers also experience regularly at nightclubs, strip clubs, concerts, and orchestra halls. Some even spike themselves in order to have a higher level of this feeling of euphoria, so unless you are trying to tell me that the presence of God is also in those nightclubs and strip clubs, I suggest you begin logically processing that which is written in scripture.

As for the presence of God, well, according to Jesus Christ, that presence only exists inside of those who belong to Him — those who obey His teachings and commandments as explained in John 14 vs 15 - 20 & John 15 vs 7 - 11 — so why you think that God's presence exists in a place/location is beyond me. Realize this is the very same Jesus Christ warned His followers against men who would come to them using His name, claiming the presence of God is here or there - Matthew 24 vs 23 - 26.

2. Jesus Christ never said that the Holy Spirit aka the Spirit of Truth's job is to give interpretations of any kind. If you have any understanding of logic, you would note that in Logic, for any particular situation, there is only one Truth meaning all other interpretations and opinions are lies. So when you suggest that the Spirit of Truth interpreted God's Truth what you do is accuse Him, the Spirit of God, of feeding you a claim that is different from that decreed by Jesus Christ, the one who is God's Law — a lie.

3. The Holy Spirit gives peace? According to Scripture, it is instead Jesus Christ who gave to His followers His very own peace - John 16 vs 33, so where do you get that the Spirit of Truth is the one who gives you peace? And by the way, the peace that Jesus Christ gives His followers is not the temporary kind that comes and goes, as it is EVERMORE meaning it never stops or goes away. Your emotional type of peace on the other hand is dependent on your brain chemicals, moods, and dispositions. I hope you can see how it is nothing like your emotional ups and downs.

You don't understand my grouse with him.
He said,
God does not relate with His children via emotions. That the Op is deluded.
His aim was to make her feel her experience was entirely wrong.

As much as I know many could misunderstand their feelings, his assertion has no biblical support

Instead of him to see his fault, he's raising an entirely different issue.
We all know the standard to becoming believers but that's not the issue being thrashed.

When we study scriptures, we do so in order to "rightly divide it".

Any student of the Bible can see the emptiness in all he is writing.

I'm not interested in taking him.on logic because that's not my aim.

If he wants to discuss scriptures, I can oblige him.I hate useless and unproductive argument.

PlayerMeji:
Kobojunkie is a Muslim..

That's why it was so so convenient for him to quote John 14 being the chapter in the Bible Muslims usually use to wrongly substantiate their claims that Mohammed was mentioned in the Bible..

But come to it, both of you are indeed actually right in your assertions.

That's how God is...

Naira20:
1. Your explanation doesn't detract from the fact that God also relate. with His children via emotions.
2. I'm really out to tell you the difference in the joy(a believer feels) and the one you get from the nightclub. Just as some can't differentiate Love and Lust.
3. My point is God has emotions and gave us emotions for a purpose. He communicates sometimes to us that way and you ability to decode is dependent on your sensitivity.
4. Your assertion is wrong and non-scriptural.
5. As per reading whatever you are trying to say, I have a philosophy of no matter how big a container containing pure water is just one drop of impurity makes it impure Whatever you said is standing on falsehood. All you are trying to do is justify it.

1. What you claim remains non-scriptural no matter how many times you repeat it. Neither Jesus Christ nor God promised His own brain-chemical regulated benefits for their obedience to His commandments. So, I am not certain why you lot are deadset on making God seem a fool each time you can.

2. Your every description of your experiences fits that of those in the world to a T. By the way, Love and Lust are also brain chemical-induced emotions/feelings. If you have not even realized this by now, you have a long way to go, mentally that is.

3. God gave emotions to all men irrespective of their beliefs; however, God never indicated that he communicates with His own via emotions. There is no scriptural record of this claim you continue to make.

4. Everything I have stated is as found in scripture. Joy and Peace from God are both everlasting . That is what is written in scripture regarding those, so they cannot be compared with the emotional, brain-chemical induced kind of joy and peace which are fleeting/non-permanent. The human brain on its own cannot handle the kind of peace and joy God gives.

5. This makes no sense!

Naira20:
1. You don't understand my grouse with him. He said, God does not relate with His children via emotions. That the Op is deluded. His aim was to make her feel her experience was entirely wrong.

2. As much as I know many could misunderstand their feelings, his assertion has no biblical support Instead of him to see his fault, he's raising an entirely different issue.

3. We all know the standard to becoming believers but that's not the issue being thrashed. When we study scriptures, we do so in order to "rightly divide it".

1. My aim is to make her and all others like her realize that God is beyond all those emotional highs and lows which are in no way unique to you churchians.

2. Instead your assumption that everlasting Joy and peace of God amount to the very same temporal joy and peace you experience from time to time all of which is regulated by brain chemicals that is not of scripture.

3. You apparently don't know the standard at all because if you did you would not have made attempts at reducing God in order to justify man's errors.

Unfortunately, your opinion is baseless and not rooted in scriptures.

Kobojunkie:
1. My aim is to make her and all others like her realize that God is beyond all those emotional highs and lows which are in no way unique to you churchians.

2. Instead your assumption that everlasting Joy and peace of God amount to the very same temporal joy and peace you experience from time to time all of which is regulated by brain chemicals that is not of scripture.

3. You apparently don't know the standard at all because if you did you would not have made attempts at reducing God in order to justify man's errors.

The issue is application.

Everything you quoted is misapplied.

Kobojunkie:
1. What you claim remains non-scriptural no matter how many times you repeat it. Neither Jesus Christ nor God promised His own brain-chemical regulated benefits for their obedience to His commandments. So, I am not certain why you lot are deadset on making God seem a fool each time you can.

2. Your every description of your experiences fits that of those in the world to a T. By the way, Love and Lust are also brain chemical-induced emotions/feelings. If you have not even realized this by now, you have a long way to go, mentally that is.

3. God gave emotions to all men irrespective of their beliefs; however, God never indicated that he communicates with His own via emotions. There is no scriptural record of this claim you continue to make.

4. Everything I have stated is as found in scripture. Joy and Peace from God are both everlasting . That is what is written in scripture regarding those, so they cannot be compared with the emotional, brain-chemical induced kind of joy and peace which are fleeting/non-permanent. The human brain on its own cannot handle the kind of peace and joy God gives.

5. This makes no sense!

Naira20:
The issue is application. Everything you quoted is misapplied.

Application of what exactly? I am telling you that what you claim to experience is not God but emotional highs and lows which even those in the world also experience from time to time like many of you Churchians do. Your "presence of God" centers are no different from that which is obtainable in social clubs, at concert grounds, or even when high on Adderall. It is all brain-chemicals and has nothing to do with God.

Naira20:
Unfortunately, your opinion is baseless and not rooted in scriptures.

The very verses you quoted earlier regarding Joy explained to you that it is EVERMORE -- FOREVER. That in no way compares to what the OP described which is typical with many of you churchians, does it?

Kikikiki, and who are you to tell me?Holy Spirit?
Who are you?
Or is there another book other than the same Bible you are talking about?

I deliberately don't want to waste my time.
Imagine

Kobojunkie:
Application of what exactly? I am telling you that what you claim to experience is not God but emotional highs and lows which even those in the world also experience from time to time like many of you Churchians do. Your "presence of God" centers are no different from that which is obtainable in social clubs, at concert grounds, or even when high on Adderall. It is all brain-chemicals and has nothing to do with God.

I quoted that to show emotions is one of the ways God speaks and relates with believers and that it's biblical.
And that you were wrong in your assertion.Period

Kobojunkie:
The very verses you quoted earlier regarding Joy explained to you that it is EVERMORE -- FOREVER. That in no way compares to what the OP described which is typical with many of you churchians, does it?

Naira20:
I quoted that to show emotions is one of the ways God speaks and relates with believers and that it's biblical.
And that you were wrong in your assertion.Period

But the very verse clearly shows to you that even the Joy from God is not of emotions - it is eternal and our emotions are NOT eternal in characteristic. So, why do you reject even that which was made clear to you in the verse you yourself quoted?

If it's clear to you, you won't be arguing.

Joy is an emotion,
In a layman's language
In God's presence,(when God is present)
There is fullness of Joy,(You have pure Joy)

Peace is an emotion
Peace that passeth understanding (Peace that you can't fully describe)
Philippians 4:6

Sorrow is an emotion
Godly sorrow(sorrow that comes from God's spirit convicting you) worketh/leads to repentance.
2Cor.7

the godly sorrow I mentioned is an emotion.


These things are basic but either because you refuse to study scriptures or you just don't know that's why you are talking the way you are.

Kobojunkie:
But the verse clearly shows you that even the Joy from God is not of Emotions. Why do you reject even that which was made clear to you in the verse you yourself quoted?