Ellexy:
Nihilistjnr I know as long as the law remains, the likes of Amoto and other fanatics will always hide behind it and use it as a defense to kill.

However, the law aside, Amoto innately believes death is the answer to every deemed blasphemous utterance. This is who he is law or no law and this is the crux of the matter. The law is just a means to an end.

nihilistjnr:


As long as you continue to conflate judicial process with extra judicial killings. You will never truly comprehend the gravity of what it means to have capital penalty for blasphemy offence in Nigeria

If you truly understood what I'm telling you, you wouldn't be forming obidient or inconsequentially trying to take the moral high ground. You would want to divide the country immediately.

There is a law in that country that allows you, a non-muslim, to be sentenced to death by the courts in your own country, for simply saying something against another religion.

You are legally a second-class citizen in the country of your birth.

You really need to take a moment to contemplate this fact before you try to respond to me. This one pass online debate.

nihilistjnr:


As long as you continue to conflate judicial process with extra judicial killings. You will never truly comprehend the gravity of what it means to have capital penalty for blasphemy offence in Nigeria

If you truly understood what I'm telling you, you wouldn't be forming obidient or inconsequentially trying to take the moral high ground. You would want to divide the country immediately.

There is a law in that country that allows you, a non-muslim, to be sentenced to death by the courts in your own country, for simply saying something against another religion.

You are legally a second-class citizen in the country of your birth.

You really need to take a moment to contemplate this fact before you try to respond to me. This one pass online debate.

iamoyindamola:
This nigga is 12 years
Ramdeuter what are you guys feeding on in that country

raumdeuter:


If you live in the UK where there is no death penalty. Yet you have a serial killer who was caught and only given jail term. In your mind you can wish for more and feel this punishment is not deserving but its what the law says

Which is why I always defer to the law of the land. Arguing the unfairness of a law is in most cases a futile exercise as its bigger than you or I. Unless you can push through the needed legislative arms to make the change

You can smoke weed in America but there are places where such will get you jailed or even killed. You can either obey or argue if its unfair

Bundling into a country 2 people who have different standard might be the injustice that needs to be tackled

raumdeuter:
Within the US a very good example is abortion

In some states you can get life in prison for abortion while in another state you can literally do the abortion in the governors office

So who is right and who is wrong here? One who believes anyone who does abortion is a murderer and should be jailed for life or the other person who believes you are free to make any choice you want with your body?

Who is right is your personal belief and will differ from one person to the next

reccy:


Does that Change the fact that He was/is a thief? I carri money inside Bullion van, you, you carri your own inside jeep dy enter another state.
You con dy call me thief..... Shey no be madness be that? You invested public resources into your private business, you come dy yarn pe you know no my source of income. May source kill you dia.

Pandora paper open your nyansh and your people cum dy curse you and wish you death but suddenly, you come dy jump from one church to another , you suddenly turn messiah to the clowns wey wish you death, and forcing you on our throat.... May truck fall on any werey wey dy yarn dust about messiah again.

To crown it all, you turn your state to rubble with no visible development except that doctors were at home and Anambrans were dying and suffering, with dipilated school building and all that, but no, you come suddenly become an angel.

Bro, you no no say nah from home charity dy start? Ah no even talk about the innocent lives wasted by that man sef, wetin be e name sef...wet waste the lives of Anambrans inside water.

Make nobody provoke me ooo. I'm too old for this child's play.

raumdeuter:


I will use the US as an example where punishment differ from State to state. You can kill in a state and get the chair while in another state get jailterm.

Yet they are able to make it work. You cannot be from New York, go to Texas and kill then say its unfair to treat you with Texas laws and you should be subjected to New York laws

izzou:


I think we are just using different scenarios, while ignoring the main reason for this argument

Deborah died because she posted on a WhatsApp group (what they tagged as "blasphemy" )

I know you don't support mob action, but do you support that she should be killed by the law because of that?

This is the genesis of the whole story.

Do you support it?

GloriousGbola:
What nihilistjnr is saying is the law is supposed to be equal across board.



Unless you have a situation where there is cross execution and cross lynching of people for blasphemy against every belief system , we are living in a society of laws for thee but not for me.

I will tell you Christians have their issues. They always have a divine mission to shove their religion down your throat. But as I recall, every time I told a Christian that jesus (isa) is a prophet, they laughed at me. They did not get angry and violent at my blasphemy and disrespect and denigration of their Lord. (that is ultimately what it is)

But say something silly like this teddy bear is named Muhammed ..

Go and listen to comedians in the US. Some have a shitck of mocking God. Eg George Carlin.

Some Muslims will say we are muslims and because you tolerate mockery of your religion does not mean we will do the same. But Islam already mocks and knocks other religions. So that is just a double standard binded by dogma.

We cannot claim to be a democracy where everyone is equal and have this
.

izzou:


I think we are just using different scenarios, while ignoring the main reason for this argument

Deborah died because she posted on a WhatsApp group (what they tagged as "blasphemy" )

I know you don't support mob action, but do you support that she should be killed by the law because of that?

This is the genesis of the whole story.
Do you support it?

nihilistjnr:


It's not sustainable.

US is already being pulled every which way by these inconsistently applied ideologies, and imo you guys are not that far off from a civil war....

raumdeuter:


GMO.

So this kain guy will get admission into UNILAG based on height when they denied you? Maybe na yankee your God wan drop you for life but you too like amala and abula so you enter Naija

larride:


I'm not talking about Dayo here. I am talking about YOU.

You Donjazet, what moral right do you have to criticize those that campaigned and voted for Buhari, the same man you campaigned and voted for in 2015?

You Donjazet, what moral right do you have to tell anyone who to vote or not vote for seeing that in your own words "Buhari is a colossal failure" but you were part of those that has brought the colossal failure into power?

I ask you donjazet, do you not think you deserved to be cursed daily for bringing Buhari into power?

Questions begging for answers.

Ellexy:
I agree and it's through debates and advocacy will awareness rise to the point were such laws can be looked into by elected legislative officials or by voting those who'll amend or abolish the laws as the case may be.

reccy:


Me? Ah dy mad?

Mo batified shiere.
I was even discussing along with one of my padi for school yewterday suddenly, he asked me, who am I voting for? I said Tinubu, he was shocked being that he is from kaduna south, I repeated it... Tinubu mr man. He said why now... I was surprised he was asking why?
I immediately knew the angle he was coming from. He hates El rufai more than the devil and even wish he can exchange it with devil ( a red flag).

I told him I recognise the fact that the APC ticket is not being fair to my Christain brothers but I look beyond religion when choosing a leader.

He said he prefers Atiku or Obi, I said fine. But whatever comes from voting Atiku, be ready for another Fulani bloodshed like my guy in power now.
Werey was somehow not happy. I told him I choose Tinubu simply because he has the best team for the job. Werey was nodding an I said, while respect your decision to go for either obi or Atiku, please do well by looking beyond social media, orators and messiah. History has taught us a lot about them.


Make February do quick now. We want to teach some people politics 111.

raumdeuter:


1. I don't think what Deborah did qualifies as blasphemy

2. I don't support killing on the basis of blasphemy because of many reasons which I can write a page about.
i) Religion when you look at it carefully is silly and doesn't make sense to anyone who thinks of it critically (That includes the religion you and I follow -excluding Otemology though)
ii) Most religions are propagated by disrespecting other religions so if we want to do killing for blasphemy, everyone will end up dead.
iii) Blasphemy laws are usually subjctive to the interpreter. You can hear one thing that sounds blaphemous and I will her the same thing and be okay with it (E.g Tinubu calling Allah our father)
iv) Human beings create religion and move the goalpost when they want. So what wasnt blaphemous today can become tomorrow

3. All these opinions of mine become Bullsheet the moment I enter a location that has blasphemy laws. While I can say this openly here Nairaland. I dare not try it on Saudi Riyaland or Syrialand

larride:


I'm not talking about Dayo here. I am talking about YOU.


You Donjazet, what moral right do you have to tell anyone who to vote or not vote for seeing that in your own words "Buhari is a colossal failure" but you were part of those that has brought the colossal failure into power?

I ask you donjazet, do you not think you deserved to be cursed daily for bringing Buhari into power?
Questions begging for answers.

A001:

All your points are reasonable except the Otemology part, which is a word you just coined.

What the hell is that? Are you the one to build a religion around a nairalander that neither him nor his fans are unaware of?

All what the Otem guy advocates is use of the brain (reason) and shunning religion. That's all.

Care to educate us about what Otemology is and what your reference is? I came across that term for the first time.

Kindly back your post about Otemology with proofs from Otem's posts so I can know you're being factual, not trolling like those m.orons: iamoyindamola, Ebukacute, and OasisX.

raumdeuter:


The US has always been like this and survived 300yrs. Human ideologies keep moving. What is liberal today will be conservative tomorrow.
Sometime back a woman wearing sleeveless is extremely liberal now only extreme conservatives will do that

Before abolishing slavery was a liberal idea now its not even conservative
Just this week GAY right is not the law across the US, 20yrs ago, only extreme liberals used to identify as it

I watch movies from the late 90s and early 2000s where everyone laughed at anyone gay, now you cant even have a movie without a GAY character. Now children are actually transitioning and taking hormone blockers to change their sex

Think about every social issue from weed, abortion, same sex marriage, interracial marriage, dressing, gender identity etc

Now we have women refereeing a football match in Qatar. They are saying gender is fluid. Men are playing women sport and vice versa Next you will have men and women merged to play in EPL so Chelsea FC will field 6men and 5 women to face Real Madrid. Maybe the 2034 world cup might be combined men and women

So there might become a time where the conservative opinion on punishment for killing will be jailterm while the liberal punishment might become counseling

There wont be no civil war, they will just adjust position with the right moving slightly left and the left moving further left

Tataffo:


Just like donJ,everybody don Sabi where to hook you for neck and trigger you especially the fact you no fit overlook and take am as cruise

Ellexy:
I agree and it's through debates and advocacy will awareness rise to the point were such laws can be looked into by elected legislative officials or by voting those who'll amend or abolish the laws as the case may be.

Itsrm:


I must have confused you for someone else.

Lessons will surely be learnt.

Look at this tweet, this is what wins elections

Tataffo:


Just like donJ,everybody don Sabi where to hook you for neck and trigger you especially the fact you no fit overlook and take am as cruise

Ellexy:
Congratulations apostle. Your missionary journeys was not in vain.

Roland17:


Debates and advocacy are great, the problem is, the North still has the highest representation in both houses, with over 90% of the representatives from the North being Muslims with strong conservative ideologies. Don't forget, many of the representatives from the South are also Muslims who also hold strong conservative ideologies

That means, it is nearly impossible to have any change(s) to these laws because members of the both houses irrespective of party affiliation will not support any changes that affects their religious beliefs on a personal level and more importantly the support they get from their base.

You are not going to get any kind of bi-partisan support from North on any of these changes, consequently, it is dead on arrival.