komekn:


I've told you before that MRI is indicative of age not conclusive. And you can still be 21 and pass through as a U17.

There are many variables that affect bone fusion, race, nutrition, environmental factors that can delay bone fusion in teenager ( stunted growth)

But pushing that aside for all our dominance at youth level how many of our players have had commensurate dominance in their professional careers.

We couldn't even qualify for the world cup.

Youth football just like talent is indicative and far from conclusive. It identifies potential that has to be developed and nurtured into the next generation of top quality football players.

In 2009 we hosted the U17 world cup with a group of Uncles including Omeruo. We got to the final almost winning it, we were the defending champions.

Brazil didn't get very far , but in that anonymous team were Alison, Neymar, Casemiro and Coutinho undoubtedly world class players.

But where did our outstanding set of all beaters get to , how far did they get , most are close to retirement or completely out of football from mediocre league and at the grand old age of 30.

It's pretty obvious what's happening.

komekn:


I've told you before that MRI is indicative of age not conclusive. And you can still be 21 and pass through as a U17.

There are many variables that affect bone fusion, race, nutrition, environmental factors that can delay bone fusion in teenager ( stunted growth)

But pushing that aside for all our dominance at youth level how many of our players have had commensurate dominance in their professional careers.

We couldn't even qualify for the world cup.

Youth football just like talent is indicative and far from conclusive. It identifies potential that has to be developed and nurtured into the next generation of top quality football players.

In 2009 we hosted the U17 world cup with a group of Uncles including Omeruo. We got to the final almost winning it, we were the defending champions.

Brazil didn't get very far , but in that anonymous team were Alison, Neymar, Casemiro and Coutinho undoubtedly world class players.

But where did our outstanding set of all beaters get to , how far did they get , most are close to retirement or completely out of football from mediocre league and at the grand old age of 30.

It's pretty obvious what's happening.

komekn:


I've told you before that MRI is indicative of age not conclusive. And you can still be 21 and pass through as a U17.

There are many variables that affect bone fusion, race, nutrition, environmental factors that can delay bone fusion in teenager ( stunted growth)

But pushing that aside for all our dominance at youth level how many of our players have had commensurate dominance in their professional careers.

We couldn't even qualify for the world cup.

Youth football just like talent is indicative and far from conclusive. It identifies potential that has to be developed and nurtured into the next generation of top quality football players.

In 2009 we hosted the U17 world cup with a group of Uncles including Omeruo. We got to the final almost winning it, we were the defending champions.

Brazil didn't get very far , but in that anonymous team were Alison, Neymar, Casemiro and Coutinho undoubtedly world class players.

But where did our outstanding set of all beaters get to , how far did they get , most are close to retirement or completely out of football from mediocre league and at the grand old age of 30.

It's pretty obvious what's happening.

Our draw back is not talent but footballing structure. Neymar for instance became a world star playing for Santos in Brazil. He was a star of South America for five years before leaving.

Brazil has a strong support system and international repertoire to build their talents.

Ravel Morrison was a brilliant talent in Manchester United but fell along the way and Pogba became a Superstar. From your ideology, Ravel Morrison was overage.

Oasis007:
Lets list out our so called foreign players, their clubs and achievements so far. If we are ready for this discourse, then we should be ready to scrutinize our so called world class players.

TheGoodJoe:


Despite that, kids with poor facilities and poor primary coaching won the U17. Osimhen did not have that primary De la creme coaching but he is flying higher than many with far better coaching.

A difficult start does not mean you can not become great.

Mane did not grow in some fancy academy and became one of the best players in the Premier League over many players that grew in first grade academies.

Oasis007:


Arguing here is a waste of time. Most are here to troll, rather than engaging in a sane discourse. No matter what you say, they would rather attack you and your points.

They are asking me what we have achieved with local players like we are achieving great results with foreign based players.

Someone asked what our local clubs achieve at continental level? LOL! What are same average foreign players we are parading achieve at their respective clubs?

.... like most so called foreign based players are not warming bench ar their respective clubs, despite that the Clubs are midtable or struggling to survive relegation.

Our U17, U20 and co are always assembled locally, yet they do wow the world and compete outstandingly against those highly rated Academy Players of foreign Countries.

They're are leaving my major point to debating what's in their mind. I clearly said; they must be attending trainings at least twice in a month until a formidable squad is assembled.

Let even compared last friendlies both squad had - foreign based Eagles and local based Eagles. Which one did we enjoy the most? Which of them played something we can actually call good football?!

Our fixation with anything foreign is part of our economic problem in the Country. Importation, Importation.... like local things are cursed.

A 16yrs old Endrick plying his trade in a local league was bought for €70m by Real Madrid. I watched his Clip and felt like, some of our local players can do more than that.

We have lost hopes on anything local, but that doesn't mean our local players are not as good as those foreign based bunch of mediocre players.

Because we so overrate them on this board, do not mean they are indeed world class players.... world players that are playing in unknown leagues or with clubs battling relegation?

komekn:


You are changing the narrative and the goal posts. You me at go to a very poor quality school with poor quality teachers and somehow come out with the best result and get to Oxford.

There will always be exceptions no matter how bad the circumstances, with God absolutely anything is possible, God still does Miracles.

But we are not talking about the exceptions but the general rule. You will not plant corn and harvest Yam.

You cannot use th exceptions to determine the rule.

TheGoodJoe:


I clearly stated give us the names and you are going about subtle attacks. List the names let us review.

Oasis007:
Let me repeat it again, over reliance on players plying their trades in foreign countries is killing Super Eagles.

Most of them are average and not better than the local players. We may not appreciate local players anymore because we are not following the league.

It's easier to build a formidable team with local players than foreign based players. Assemble them, get them trained together at least twice in a Month. Drop the weak ones until the right players with right mentality make up the squad.

Add few determined foreign based players and watch them light up the continent. Last time I enjoyed watching our games has lost in my memory.

We keep hailing them, calling them all sorts of great names to what end? Serving us breakfast?!

TheGoodJoe:


There is no change of narrative. It is a fact. We have exceptional talents. We need to find them and nurture them. Give them the exposure and they can grow from there.

Not because they are not kids in fancy academies, mean their lives are over. With dedication, hard work and willingness to learn, they can grow.

With a better structured coaching system, genuine talents can flourish like Yaya Toure who was not in any fancy academy as a kid but better than most midfielders in England that grew in fancy academies.

komekn:


I would have to literally give you hundreds of names.

I was talking with Adidas and they have a dossier of hundreds of players from age 13 , across Europe who they think are going to be the future stars.

That dossier had Jude Billingham at 13 on there books.

It's very comprehensive and you have multiple people involved in players assessment, who watch them at games and you want me to give you a list.

That is something the NFF should be doing.

But some will feel it's excluding the local boys in Nigeria and giving advantage to then over local boys .

komekn:


The academy he went to in Cote d'Ivoire has world renowned reputation it wasn't some backstreet academy. The list of graduates is stupendously is impressive.

Oasis007:


Arguing here is a waste of time. Most are here to troll, rather than engaging in a sane discourse. No matter what you say, they would rather attack you and your points.

They are asking me what we have achieved with local players like we are achieving great results with foreign based players.

Someone asked what our local clubs achieve at continental level? LOL! What are same average foreign players we are parading achieve at their respective clubs?

.... like most so called foreign based players are not warming bench ar their respective clubs, despite that the Clubs are midtable or struggling to survive relegation.

Our U17, U20 and co are always assembled locally, yet they do wow the world and compete outstandingly against those highly rated Academy Players of foreign Countries.

They're are leaving my major point to debating what's in their mind. I clearly said; they must be attending trainings at least twice in a month until a formidable squad is assembled.

Let even compared last friendlies both squad had - foreign based Eagles and local based Eagles. Which one did we enjoy the most? Which of them played something we can actually call good football?!

Our fixation with anything foreign is part of our economic problem in the Country. Importation, Importation.... like local things are cursed.

A 16yrs old Endrick plying his trade in a local league was bought for €70m by Real Madrid. I watched his Clip and felt like, some of our local players can do more than that.

We have lost hopes on anything local, but that doesn't mean our local players are not as good as those foreign based bunch of mediocre players.

Because we so overrate them on this board, do not mean they are indeed world class players.... world players that are playing in unknown leagues or with clubs battling relegation?

TheGoodJoe:


Our draw back is not talent but footballing structure. Neymar for instance became a world star playing for Santos in Brazil. He was a star of South America for five years before leaving.

Brazil has a strong support system and international repertoire to build their talents.

Ravel Morrison was a brilliant talent in Manchester United but fell along the way and Pogba became a Superstar. From your ideology, Ravel Morrison was overage.

TheSuperNerd:
Oasis makes some interesting points. He may seem extreme and might be misunderstood as one saying, "To heal with the Foreign based!" But I don't think that's his entire point.

I am actually open to this idea as long we can make it work and truly pick the best locals that can be tactically synced with the best foreign-based across various team positions.

I agree with you on the right mentality needed. The Hunger and the Passion to play for the flag and nor the name on your back. But the right mentality must also come with good enough quality from technical and tactical viewpoints. If we have locals who can provide these, then there is nothing wrong at all.

We still have diamonds in the local scene for sure. We just have to get our league structure half-right and the rest will follow.




I believe if we are open to picking our squad based on the right mix of mentality, quality and tactical sync across the various roles in the Senior National team then Las Las, we would have the best of the very best locals creeping in and providing options in certain roles even though I know the bulk of the team will be dominated by the foreign-based.

In the end, our goal is to pick the best in terms of Technical quality, Mentality and their tactical values for the team.

But we gotta get our league in order firstly... even if half-rightly.

Oasis is actually making some sense.

mostob:
Firstly, when you state an opinion, you need to stand by it and present your facts to back it up. Victimizing yourself by saying you were trolled or attacked is the reason why you shouldn't attempt to argue in the first place.

So because the current players have not achieved anything, we should now turn to the home based. Saying they should be attending training twice a month doesn't make sense to me. You want us to bank on players that already set their mind on leaving the country. Does that sound like a feasible plan to you? Moreso, NPFL and CAF competitions will be ongoing. How do you want the NFF to fix this training in-between those competitions.

You mentioned Endrick right? Can you compare the league he is currently playing in to NPFL?

Bro...your suggestion is respected but it has a lot of loophole.
The main thing now is to find the root of our NT problems and find suitable solutions. Lack of players is not our problem.... Coaching and leadership is.

komekn:


Ravel Morrison had outstanding ability and talent but a destructive attitude and ended up achieving less than 5% of his potential.

Waste Man ♂️ partying and drinking following babes etc

Guardiola use to ban youth players and or at least frown at it very strongly as a huge distraction that can lead to failure.

Mujtahida:

You make good points but the elephant in the room is that once the local players show real quality, they are snapped up and become foreign players. What then happens?

TheSuperNerd:
Oasis makes some interesting points. He may seem extreme and might be misunderstood as one saying, "To heal with the Foreign based!" But I don't think that's his entire point.

I am actually open to this idea as long we can make it work and truly pick the best locals that can be tactically synced with the best foreign-based across various team positions.

I agree with you on the right mentality needed. The Hunger and the Passion to play for the flag and nor the name on your back. But the right mentality must also come with good enough quality from technical and tactical viewpoints. If we have locals who can provide these, then there is nothing wrong at all.

We still have diamonds in the local scene for sure. We just have to get our league structure half-right and the rest will follow.




I believe if we are open to picking our squad based on the right mix of mentality, quality and tactical sync across the various roles in the Senior National team then Las Las, we would have the best of the very best locals creeping in and providing options in certain roles even though I know the bulk of the team will be dominated by the foreign-based.

In the end, our goal is to pick the best in terms of Technical quality, Mentality and their tactical values for the team.

But we gotta get our league in order firstly... even if half-rightly.

Oasis is actually making some sense.

Mujtahida:

You make good points but the elephant in the room is that once the local players show real quality, they are snapped up and become foreign players. What then happens?

TheGoodJoe:


Las Las, you can find great talents outside the fancy academies in Europe.

komekn:


This is at the heart of the matter and it goes way beyond football.

The political structure and framework has disenfranchised a whole nation making oldvand young hopeless and desperately desperate.

Peopl have no faith in their nation, apart from footballers nearly everyone wants to JAKPA.

Players will rather play in Azerbaijan than Nigeria.

Until we sort out our problems the situation will continue ad infinitum.

We are in a country where a graduate after borrowing and struggling to finish university can earn in a job 50k a month. Why will he not be corrupt.

elyte89:


Agreed ....d glorification doesn’t match d output we get in d national team colors

TheGoodJoe:


My take is that our national team is made up of people who do not know how to scout. Imagine someone like Babawo Mohammed as head of Super Eagles scouting and the kind of players we can have.

He picked Mikel from watching him play on the street. Before taking him to Laloko.

Imagine how small Chidera Ejuke was when Babawo Mohammed signed him.

The last so called scout of the Super Eagles was even telling players to come to England before they can get a look in. Someone like that would not see a talent in the local league.

We need to take scouting and screening seriously. It should cover all leagues. Home and abroad. No one's shirts should be safe in the team. Full fledged competition.

komekn:


No talent is great .

Talent not nurtured developed encouraged, tutored, will amount to NOTHING.

Talent is potential waiting to be realised.

TheSuperNerd:
This is it!

The Scouting and Screening Department of the National team (IF WE HAVE ONE) should be taken just as seriously as the Technical Crew of the NT.

We have a pool of players already known and upcoming talents still unknown. We need thorough scouting year in, year out to enable us keep looking at who and who can come in and uplift the team from technical and tactical viewpoints be they be based at home or abroad.

This is not a hard job but it does take a lot of dedication, sincerity and focus.

A serious football nation shouldn't be struggling to scout properly even on the local front.

Oasis007:




Calm down bruh. I can't be trolled coz this is Oasis. I decided not to engaging anyone on this matter, because I know where the Argument would end.

Can you help with list of so called foreign based players? Let's start from there please.

mostob:
The current SE players.

TheGoodJoe:


Go and check that Adidas dossier, many of those kids turned out crap and are playing in conference League and less. It is not a recipe for success. With all their lessons, many kids in Africa will end up better than them.

Not knocking the system but saying missing out on such system does not mean end of success.