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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 3:02pm On Dec 18, 2022
Oasis007:


Let's keep fooling ourselves. Aside from Osimhen, who else is making us proud?!


None sincerely, but anything foreign make sense
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 3:02pm On Dec 18, 2022
Oasis007:


Let's start from GK.... and yes current Super Eagles players.
Uzoho is the only one I can say is at least average. There is maduka, Adeleye, Osigwe and potentially Arthur.

Get to your point please
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:05pm On Dec 18, 2022
Look at Bielsa for instance. When he took over Newells Old boys, he scouted over 2000 players. It was during this scouting process that he discovered Pochettino. He came to Pochettino's house and met the boy sleeping. He just looked at his legs and knew he was a good footballer.

Bielsa also plays a high intensity pressing system. You can't play for him it you can't work hard.

His Newells team turned out a success.

Same philosophy goes to the national team. Thorough scouting. Identify brilliant talents that fit into a high intensity system and nurture them from there.

Have a growth plan for the team with milestones to judge growth.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 3:05pm On Dec 18, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


Story. So when Babawo Mohammed saw Mikel on the street playing and believed he found the best player in the country, that was not a great talent.

At that time Mikel was not nurtured in anyway. As soon as Eguavoen saw him, he was convinced. As soon as Alex Ferguson saw him, he saw brilliance.

Mbok, there is great talent.

So when he was at the Pepsi academy for how many years, he was eating puff puff and watching Netflix abe ❓❓❓

Then he left to Lyn and he was eating fish and chips and not developing his talent.

He unearthed a great potential quality player that needed to be developed.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 3:07pm On Dec 18, 2022
mostob:
Uzoho is the only one I can say is at least average. There is maduka, Adeleye, Osigwe and potentially Arthur.

Get to your point please

Calm down bro. We want to scrutinize our so called world class players one after the other. We are starting from GKs.

Glad you list out the names, can you help with clubs, achievements so far too? Same Uzoho you rated was warming bench at his club, guess you know?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:07pm On Dec 18, 2022
komekn:


So when he was at the Pepsi academy for how many years, he was eating puff puff and watching Netflix abe ❓❓❓

Then he left to Lyn and he was eating fish and chips and not developing his talent.

He unearthed a great potential quality player that needed to be developed.

Mikel joined Pepsi academy after Babawo Mohammed saw him. At that time, Kashimawo Laloko, who is the brain box behind Pepsi academy received Mikel. Laloko said as soon as Mikel played, he knew he had found the best player in the country.

Note, Mikel just arrived Pepsi academy and stood out.


Remember, as soon as Laloko played Mikel, he knew he had landed the best player in the country.

Mbok, there are great talents.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:10pm On Dec 18, 2022
komekn:


It really depends on what you mean by success.

I can assure you more than 75% are professional players across Europe . That dossier has the creme de la creme of top potential players in Europe.

You may find there are only 3/4 players on that dossier in some EPL clubs and some have none.

You are making wild assumptions not based on experience of engagement but what, I really don't know.

Go and review. I can bet you that it is less than 3/4.

You are the one that make wild assumptions of things you don't know like trying to promote a false theory that our recent successful u17 were over aged, despite science being on their side.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 3:11pm On Dec 18, 2022
elyte89:



None sincerely, but anything foreign make sense

Banscovelli has been doing great jobs on this board with clips and info of our local players, but seem we don't care!

We'll rather hope for a player in Cyprus league gets a callup over a player playing and balling well for Enyimba.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 3:13pm On Dec 18, 2022
Oasis007:


Calm down bro. We want to scrutinize our so called world class players one after the other. We are starting from GKs.

Glad you list out the names, can you help with clubs, achievements so far too? Same Uzoho you rated was warming bench at his club, guess you know?
Maybe you should go read your first post again. I never implied any of the players are world class. How many players in the Morocco current squad can be tagged as world class yet they made the top four. Now let me ask you, WHO ARE THE WORLD CLASS PLAYERS IN THE LOCAL LEAGUE THAT YOU THINK ARE GOOD FOR THE NATIONAL TEAM?
You want us to fill the national team for players in the NPFL, a league where lower clubs sell their slot to relegated bigger clubs.
Your idea may work in the next 6 years or so but currently, it will be a disaster.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 3:15pm On Dec 18, 2022
Oasis007:


Banscovelli has been doing great jobs on this board with clips and info of our local players, but seem we don't care!

We'll rather hope for a player in Cyprus league gets a callup over a player playing and balling well for Enyimba.

Now l agree with you when a player is scraping the bottom of the pot in some anonymous back water league and is just making up the numbers in his club.

Who says he is better than the outstanding player in Enyimba, not me. They should both be given by a chance to compete in the SE.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 3:15pm On Dec 18, 2022
Oasis007:


Banscovelli has been doing great jobs on this board with clips and info of our local players, but seem we don't care!

We'll rather hope for a player in Cyprus league gets a callup over a player playing and balling well for Enyimba.
So you want to compare Cyprus league with ours.
cheesy cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 3:17pm On Dec 18, 2022
mostob:
Maybe you should go read your first post again. I never implied any of the players are world class. How many players in the Morocco current squad can be tagged as world class yet they made the top four. Now let me ask you, WHO ARE THE WORLD CLASS PLAYERS IN THE LOCAL LEAGUE THAT YOU THINK ARE GOOD FOR THE NATIONAL TEAM?
You want us to fill the national team for players in the NPFL, a league where lower clubs sell their slot to relegated bigger clubs.
Your idea may work in the next 6 years or so but currently, it will be a disaster.

grin

Emotions sha. Can we just calm down and engage maturely?! The Keepers you listed, are they better than Sochima of Rivers United, Bankole of Remo Stars, Lawal of Sunshine, Adewale of Akwa United?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 3:18pm On Dec 18, 2022
mostob:
So you want to compare Cyprus league with ours.
cheesy cheesy

grin

Here we go..... and someone genuinely wants me to engage people with this kinda mentality?!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 3:19pm On Dec 18, 2022
Mujtahida:

If it was that Chukwueze is not a part of this team, you'd have heard it cried up endlessly how wrong the coaches are for not featuring him. His ability with the ball will be mentioned, his speed, his ability to work magic in tight spaces and sundry other qualities would be writ large and pumped up. But Chukwueze is in the team so it's quietness on that score.

Am I saying Chukwueze is not good? Nope. I'm saying that some watch out for players who are not part of the team and bend the whole of their analysis to rest on the absence of such players. If Moses is there, they will cry for Ejuke, if Ejuke is there they will cry for Moses.

If the player they mentioned is invited, they move on to the next absentee and on and on
Overwise, Baba!!!!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 3:20pm On Dec 18, 2022
komekn:


Now l agree with you when a player is scraping the bottom of the pot in some anonymous back water league and is just making up the numbers in his club.

Who says he is better than the outstanding player in Enyimba, not me. They should both be given by a chance to compete in the SE.


grin

Let me respond to your mention for once. You're known for just noisemaking on this board. Anything local is irrelevant, useless to you. Stop wasting your time on my views, coz I care less about yours too.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:21pm On Dec 18, 2022
We should think in line of gems. Just as diamond finders go into a large piece of land and search it in search for diamonds.

Think of the numerous sand, stones they search through until they find diamonds.

That is how we should treat our local League, other leagues in Africa, Asia and Europe.

With a clear direction of the kind of players that will fit into our creative high intensity system. We will end up with the right crop of players.

Then keep improving it with thorough review of the team, and age grade players.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Amedino99(m): 3:22pm On Dec 18, 2022
codemaniacs:


Ejuke has only played 3 matches for SE while Moses Simon has played 53 matches.. so you should take your own advice of don't compare with Ejuke.

For club, Moses Simon probably has a better agent than Ejuke because Moses Simon has played in more top leagues than Ejuke and has been playing in Europe longer than Ejuke..

Obviously Simon has more experience than Ejuke but changes have to be made in the wings of the S.E or you won't any changes in the team even if they bring in new midfielders and they will fail to qualify for the next world cup if the wingers aren't been substituted for others..

you should take your own advice of don't compare with Ejuke.
ejuke has 8 apps for us. And the agent talk?? Comical at best

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 3:23pm On Dec 18, 2022
codemaniacs:


Ejuke has the highest assists for his club and is more direct than Simon in the S.E..

when Simon plays for the S.E he plays without intensity and intent...
Moses Simon is the highest paid in his team. He starts every game for them. Practicality their best player. What you talking about?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 3:23pm On Dec 18, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


Go and review. I can bet you that it is less than 3/4.

You are the one that make wild assumptions of things you don't know like trying to promote a false theory that our recent successful u17 were over aged, despite science being on their side.

MRI cannot give u specific age that's empirical evidenced peer group reviewed and proven.

That being the case what is over age to you.

We no longer have Uncles pretending to be teenagers at U17 level. But there is no MRI at U20 level.

But even with the U17 level it's possible for a 21 year old to be classed as U17.

Now in comparison to teenagersvin the West with enhanced nutrition, good health care delivery and far better training facilities plus other environmental factors to have quicker bone fusion than a malnourished child in sub Saharan Africa.

These variables have been well researched and proven.

Now add to the equation out penchant for age creation, why do you think that age cheating no longer exist just because of MRI ❓

It definitely restricts it massively but it cannot completely eradicate it. Because we do not have automatic birth data capture by government. We rely o the integrity of individuals.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 3:23pm On Dec 18, 2022
komekn:


You will be surprised how many academy director and agents come to me talking about this players and that player from Nigeria.

I went to a local academy in Lagos last year, the coaching just like the facilities was abysmal. I didn't know where to start everything was outdated and highly inept.
Name the academy?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:24pm On Dec 18, 2022
Mujtahida:

If it was that Chukwueze is not a part of this team, you'd have heard it cried up endlessly how wrong the coaches are for not featuring him. His ability with the ball will be mentioned, his speed, his ability to work magic in tight spaces and sundry other qualities would be writ large and pumped up. But Chukwueze is in the team so it's quietness on that score.

Am I saying Chukwueze is not good? Nope. I'm saying that some watch out for players who are not part of the team and bend the whole of their analysis to rest on the absence of such players. If Moses is there, they will cry for Ejuke, if Ejuke is there they will cry for Moses.

If the player they mentioned is invited, they move on to the next absentee and on and on

My point remains fair competition and from what I see, Chidera can ball. His touch is also crispy. I will like a fair run of games for Chidera to judge. Simon can have repeated poor games and still get a nod. While Chidera is just literally out of the team.

Sorry, I disagree with this and believe something is definitely wrong with our team selection.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:25pm On Dec 18, 2022
komekn:


MRI cannot give u specific age that's empirical evidenced peer group reviewed and proven.

That being the case what is over age to you.

We no longer have Uncles pretending to be teenagers at U17 level. But there is no MRI at U20 level.

But even with the U17 level it's possible for a 21 year old to be classed as U17.

Now in comparison to teenagersvin the West with enhanced nutrition, good health care delivery and far better training facilities plus other environmental factors to have quicker bone fusion than a malnourished child in sub Saharan Africa.

These variables have been well researched and proven.

Now add to the equation out penchant for age creation, why do you think that age cheating no longer exist just because of MRI ❓

It definitely restricts it massively but it cannot completely eradicate it. Because we do not have automatic birth data capture by government. We rely o the integrity of individuals.

Bolded is a blatant lie.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:28pm On Dec 18, 2022
komekn:


MRI cannot give u specific age that's empirical evidenced peer group reviewed and proven.

That being the case what is over age to you.

We no longer have Uncles pretending to be teenagers at U17 level. But there is no MRI at U20 level.

But even with the U17 level it's possible for a 21 year old to be classed as U17.

Now in comparison to teenagersvin the West with enhanced nutrition, good health care delivery and far better training facilities plus other environmental factors to have quicker bone fusion than a malnourished child in sub Saharan Africa.

These variables have been well researched and proven.

Now add to the equation out penchant for age creation, why do you think that age cheating no longer exist just because of MRI ❓

It definitely restricts it massively but it cannot completely eradicate it. Because we do not have automatic birth data capture by government. We rely o the integrity of individuals.

Malnourishment and stunted growth was put into the study by the FIFA committee before recommending the wrist MRI scan because of it's high accuracy. Unless you don't understand what high accuracy is. The ratio is literally marginal that it formed an almost perfect system.

I repeat, young players can fail but it is very difficult for players older to pass.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 3:29pm On Dec 18, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


Unless you are saying this guys we have are as gifted on the ball as Gundogan, Bernado Silva, De Bruyne, Thoago Alcantara and Isco, we are still a long way from finding the right crop of players.
What was their impact at the World Cup? Are they playing division 3 or non league football? You see you are the one talking in circles here!
Does Morrocco has someone like them? Even Kudus that was no where to be found against us bested all of them. We have Iwobi too so Oga find something else to say
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 3:29pm On Dec 18, 2022
Oasis007:
Lets list out our so called foreign players, their clubs and achievements so far. If we are ready for this discourse, then we should be ready to scrutinize our so called world class players.
these local players you are advocating for will struggle to get a bench role in their clubs. We’ve seen NPFL best of the best go to some other African countries to play and struggle badly but you want us to fill our NT with them, you clearly don’t rate the super eagles

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:30pm On Dec 18, 2022
komekn:


MRI cannot give u specific age that's empirical evidenced peer group reviewed and proven.

That being the case what is over age to you.

We no longer have Uncles pretending to be teenagers at U17 level. But there is no MRI at U20 level.

But even with the U17 level it's possible for a 21 year old to be classed as U17.

Now in comparison to teenagersvin the West with enhanced nutrition, good health care delivery and far better training facilities plus other environmental factors to have quicker bone fusion than a malnourished child in sub Saharan Africa.

These variables have been well researched and proven.

Now add to the equation out penchant for age creation, why do you think that age cheating no longer exist just because of MRI ❓

It definitely restricts it massively but it cannot completely eradicate it. Because we do not have automatic birth data capture by government. We rely o the integrity of individuals.

No one said it completely eradicates age cheating but it is now the accepted criteria. Field only players that pass the wrist MRI scan.

So, our u17 players within the criteria beat European players from fancy academies. No need trying to squeeze a false theory of uncles into the discussion.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 3:31pm On Dec 18, 2022
codemaniacs:


If Moses Simon had quality football then we would have reached at least the semi-final of AFCON and qualified for the world cup.. Ejuke is more direct

Moses Simon should only be on the bench for the S.E or not invited at all he is always spoiling counter attacks of the S.E or losing possession or passing back a lot...
lol! Your Ejuke was at the same AFCON and was one of our worst player and you are placing the blame on our best player? You people will not stop amazing me. Lol
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 3:32pm On Dec 18, 2022
Oasis007:


grin

Let me respond to your mention for once. You're known for just noisemaking on this board.[b] Anything local is irrelevant, useless to you. [/b]Stop wasting your time on my views, coz I care less about yours too.

You are prejudiced, ignorantly recalcitrant and make wild negative assumptions based on what your self based notions.

I've said this before years ago a EPL club was very interested in a local player Sunday Mbah, I know what bottle necks were out in place to stop it happening. This was when Amaju was running things at local level and his head �️ had not swollen as NFF President

Even before Etebo was invited to national team I was looking at him in Warri Wolves, yes under the sun in Warri township stadium.

I have a network of local coaches and national team coaches that l relate with.

So your assumptions are wrong and your attitude on a faceless forum for an elder reprehensible.

You have dropped low not very good.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:33pm On Dec 18, 2022
Marjoribanks:
What was their impact at the World Cup? Are they playing division 3 or non league football? You see you are the one talking in circles here!
Does Morrocco has someone like them? Even Kudus that was no where to be found against us bested all of them. We have Iwobi too so Oga find something else to say

Football does not revolve around the World Cup. Haaland did not go but he is a great player.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 3:35pm On Dec 18, 2022
jihday:
these local players you are advocating for will struggle to get a bench role in their clubs. We’ve seen NPFL best of the best go to some other African countries to play and struggle badly but you want us to fill our NT with them, you clearly don’t rate the super eagles

grin

Emotions again. Where are the facts?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:36pm On Dec 18, 2022
Marjoribanks:
What was their impact at the World Cup? Are they playing division 3 or non league football? You see you are the one talking in circles here!
Does Morrocco has someone like them? Even Kudus that was no where to be found against us bested all of them. We have Iwobi too so Oga find something else to say

I can beat my chest and say Amarabat is as good as them. His close control in tight spaces is up there as Gundogan.

My point is that we need to raise the bar of the kind of talents we are looking for.

We need to keep searching for players that have the talent to compete with the best and keep building them.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 3:37pm On Dec 18, 2022
Oasis007:


.... let them be snapped bro. It will help to improve our league. It will make the league more competitive and gaining more money to finance the clubs.
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