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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 3:39pm On Dec 18, 2022
mostob:
All this scouting talk will result to nothing if the coaching department is not refurbished. I'll be sad if we don't win any of the next two upcoming AFCON.
it’s shocking how people are missing this, you just need the right coach and all these won’t be necessary

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 3:39pm On Dec 18, 2022
elyte89:



Nope what I am saying is simple ,this World Cup is an evidence to what nerdie and philosophy has been saying that invitation of players shld go beyond where u play alone but what u can bring to d team differently irrespective of where u play. Finito
Who should be invited that has not been called up that is better than what we have presently? Name one!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 3:42pm On Dec 18, 2022
jihday:
false

cheesy

LOL
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 3:42pm On Dec 18, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


No one said it completely eradicates age cheating but it is now the accepted criteria. Field only players that pass the wrist MRI scan.

So, our u17 players within the criteria beat European players from fancy academies. No need trying to squeeze a false theory of uncles into the discussion.

Finito.

Let's keep it in the strict structure, best European players by from fancy academies.

League two Stockport county beat Leicester, Fulham got beat by Crawley town a few months ago, Newcastle got beat by Cambridge and Arsenal got beat by Nottingham forest. Did that make the players better in your opinion than these top teams.

Youth football is about progression to the first team winning games is good but not everything because it's about individual player development.

You can have a great team without great players and a great players who are a poor team.

So where did our players in the U17 progress to compared to the teams they beat.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 3:42pm On Dec 18, 2022
Marjoribanks:
lol! Your Ejuke was at the same AFCON and was one of our worst player and you are placing the blame on our best player? You people will not stop amazing me. Lol
the way some players are hyped here eeeeh!

No be ejike that is yet to impress in the gwg shirt? May God hv mercy on us all cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 3:43pm On Dec 18, 2022
Oasis007:


grin

Here we go..... and someone genuinely wants me to engage people with this kinda mentality?!
Which kind of mentality? First you mentioned Endrick and then you mentioned Cyprus. You respond with fact bro.
Uzoho is in Cyprus playing Europa and you are comparing him to somebody playing in the NPFL.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 3:44pm On Dec 18, 2022
Oasis007:


grin

Emotions sha. Can we just calm down and engage maturely?! The Keepers you listed, are they better than Sochima of Rivers United, Bankole of Remo Stars, Lawal of Sunshine, Adewale of Akwa United?
Is there anything rude in my argument? What do you mean by maturely? grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Blueelf: 3:44pm On Dec 18, 2022
Soon, I will drink the tears of one asun

I will drink the tears of former barca fans and now psg fans

I will drink the tears of a rude and uncouth south america GK

THe idiot will be exposed soon
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 3:45pm On Dec 18, 2022
Oasis007:


grin

Emotions again. Where are the facts?
Okpotu was the top scorer where is he? Junior Lokosa? The other winger from Enyimba that Rohr used a lot (can’t remember his name). This thing you are saying Keshi did it now let’s look at them, Uzoenyi was so bad in South Africa that sundowns wondered how he played for super eagles, Oboabona went to Saudi division 2 then faded out, Mba? Barely a year after he didn’t make the World Cup squad and nobody batted an eye lid that’s how bad he was. I remember we were shouting Afelokhai that brother was awful against Togo in Chan qualifier. See plenty names dey, some went to Turkey division 2 and couldn’t cut it some Finland but ran back home. For every 1 Ahmed Musa there’s 50 Junior Lokosa, at the end of the day I’m not sure this your experiment is worth the stress

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 3:47pm On Dec 18, 2022
elyte89:



Nope what I am saying is simple ,this World Cup is an evidence to what nerdie and philosophy has been saying that invitation of players shld go beyond where u play alone but what u can bring to d team differently irrespective of where u play. Finito
I agree with you
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 3:47pm On Dec 18, 2022
elyte89:



None sincerely, but anything foreign make sense
can you beat your chest that there’s a RB better than Aina in the NPFL?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 3:48pm On Dec 18, 2022
Oasis007:


grin

Emotions again. Where are the facts?
See, if what you're trying to say is that we should look inward for SE materials, I agree inasmuch as the 'inward' means our cadet teams. The NPFL is in a bad state now and need to be refurbished. That's why I said your idea of filling the SE with home based players might work in 6 years time but not now.
BTW what do you mean by emotions? cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 3:48pm On Dec 18, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


I can beat my chest and say Amarabat is as good as them. His close control in tight spaces is up there as Gundogan.

My point is that we need to raise the bar of the kind of talents we are looking for.

We need to keep searching for players that have the talent to compete with the best and keep building them.
Are we not looking them? We had Musa Yahaya, and Tijani whose career have been unfortunately lace with injuries. We have the highly rated under 17 and 20 now. Do you think it is easy to break through top leagues from Africa? You talk as if the top leagues are on the same continent as Africans. Career trajectory has nothing to do with grassroots. What has this same 30+ Amarabat achieved in his career? How many AFCON has he won with Morrocco?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 3:49pm On Dec 18, 2022
Oasis007:


Banscovelli has been doing great jobs on this board with clips and info of our local players, but seem we don't care!

We'll rather hope for a player in Cyprus league gets a callup over a player playing and balling well for Enyimba.
balling well for Enyimba against his fellow farmers, raise the stakes just a little their poor tactical deficiency will be brutally exposed, abeg!!!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 3:50pm On Dec 18, 2022
jihday:
it’s shocking how people are missing this, you just need the right coach and all these won’t be necessary
Exactly.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 3:51pm On Dec 18, 2022
charlesemeka85:
the way some players are hyped here eeeeh!

No be ejike that is yet to impress in the gwg shirt? May God hv mercy on us all cheesy
My brother, I shock self! Mujtahida post is Golden!!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 3:51pm On Dec 18, 2022
Mujtahida:

Funny thing is that we even fight over it when we don't have shingbai influence over player selections. Some flatter themselves and say that NFF officials visit this thread. Well, that is possible but that this thread influences the NFF is the stuff of legend.

I'm not downplaying this thread but we take this issue of who gets invited to personally ridiculous levels and fighting each other even with so much bitterness.

Let Super Eagles play good football and win. Dazzol
Often a friend will see me engrossed with my phone and exclaim "Nairaland??". They don't know there's so much activity on this thread grin

This thread is very close to real life banter. It's just that some arguments ought to be thought through and dropped. The cyclic nature of some arguments en
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 3:53pm On Dec 18, 2022
Oasis007:


cheesy

LOL
that money will be embezzled, I’m surprised I have to even say this, are you not a Nigerian? Do you know how many millions clubs like Enyimba have made on transfers? Any impact?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 3:54pm On Dec 18, 2022
TheGoodJoe:
Look at Bielsa for instance. When he took over Newells Old boys, he scouted over 2000 players. It was during this scouting process that he discovered Pochettino. He came to Pochettino's house and met the boy sleeping. He just looked at his legs and knew he was a good footballer.

Bielsa also plays a high intensity pressing system. You can't play for him it you can't work hard.

His Newells team turned out a success.

Same philosophy goes to the national team. Thorough scouting. Identify brilliant talents that fit into a high intensity system and nurture them from there.

Have a growth plan for the team with milestones to judge growth.
Name one National team coach that invited or scouted 2000 players to win the World Cup or Euros. Guy stop talking in circles. All this na trash.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:55pm On Dec 18, 2022
komekn:


Let's keep it in the strict structure, best European players by from fancy academies.

League two Stockport county beat Leicester, Fulham got beat by Crawley town a few months ago, Newcastle got beat by Cambridge and Arsenal got beat by Nottingham forest. Did that make the players better in your opinion than these top teams.

Youth football is about progression to the first team winning games is good but not everything because it's about individual player development.

You can have a great team without great players and a great players who are a poor team.

So where did our players in the U17 progress to compared to the teams they beat.

When we beat European sides at age grade competitions, it is not park bus and hoping to win. We outplayed and beat most of them. It is not a game we won, it is a tournament of playing against some of the best young talents in the World.

So that Stockport and Nottingham ideology does not play out here.

What we lack is further development and I am proposing the National structure play a vital role in this. While we keep working on developing our locks league structure and academies.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:57pm On Dec 18, 2022
The World Cup Final: It's about to go down

Lionel Scaloni's Quality Argentine Warriors up against Didier Deschamps' Stars-studded French side.

Lionel Scaloni is a coach who has mostly favoured 4-3-3 in a majority of the 61 games he has coached as Argentina's manager but at this WC, he sets his side up in a 4-4-2 system which also changes to an asymmetrical 4-3-3 or very rarely, 4-2-3-1/4411.

Note: This NT job is Scaloni's only senior head coaching job on record. His other coaching roles came as assistants and then U20 coach for a period of a couple months.

How he has managed to coach these talented bunch of Argies to a WC Final is impressive and it also shows the resilience level, of the squad, he instilled having bounced back since that opening day loss to Herve Renard's Tactically Brave Saudi Arabia.





Didier Deschamps is a coach who favors the 4-2-3-1 system and has coached 138 games for France winning 89. Will today be his 90th win? Time will tell.

Tactically Conservative but a fine squad selector, he revels in picking his best XI based on the natural and high end technical qualities of his players and how they can complement each other.

For a squad stacked with some of the very best talents across all positions in world football, it really is a headache making selections but not for Deschamps, he knows his XI and he knows what he wants them to achieve.


Ofcos it is a final focused more on Messi vs Mbappe... but I am more also about Scaloni vs Deschamps.

May the best side win.


#Qatar2022DiariesMD

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 3:57pm On Dec 18, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


Football does not revolve around the World Cup. Haaland did not go but he is a great player.
You are just beating around the bush without making any point. So na Togo and Kosovo go play the final today, now. Both the Argentines and French will feature division two players today now!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:57pm On Dec 18, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


My point remains fair competition and from what I see, Chidera can ball. His touch is also crispy. I will like a fair run of games for Chidera to judge. Simon can have repeated poor games and still get a nod. While Chidera is just literally out of the team.

Sorry, I disagree with this and believe something is definitely wrong with our team selection.
It's not that we have not seen Ejuke play oo. He's played at least 3 games. I'm surprised that it appears like he's a new kid on the block with the way you talk up his qualities. Ejuke played in Afcon ooo. The almost unanimous complaint was that he dribbles too much with poor end quality.

So your advocacy for him now is it based on the fact that he is better than Moses?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:59pm On Dec 18, 2022
Marjoribanks:
Name one National team coach that invited or scouted 2000 players to win the World Cup or Euros. Guy stop talking in circles. All this na trash.

I did not say invite 2000 players but scout them. I have also used Westerhof to explain how a comprehensive program works.

Westerhof was able to watch a 16 years old secondary school boy, Amokachi and invited him to the National team. Westerhof had direct operational understanding with the age grade system. He even had a fall out with Coach Fani Amun because he did not like the way he was using Kanu Nwankwo.

Westerhof used to watch local games and amateur ones too. He kept on looking for quality, both overseas and in Nigeria.

I am talking of setting up a scouting system. Where the scouts identify gems and the coach watches the gems. He does not need to watch all the sand and stones. His job is approving the gems.

This should be a comprehensive process.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 4:01pm On Dec 18, 2022
Argentina and France 4-3-3. Hmmmm! Interesting!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 4:01pm On Dec 18, 2022
2-1 to France!!!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:04pm On Dec 18, 2022
Mujtahida:

It's not that we have not seen Ejuke play oo. He's played at least 3 games. I'm surprised that it appears like he's a new kid on the block with the way you talk up his qualities. Ejuke played in Afcon ooo. The almost unanimous complaint was that he dribbles too much with poor end quality.

So your advocacy for him now is it based on the fact that he is better than Moses?

It is a preference and I feel he needs a better run of games. From what I see, he needs a better opportunity.

Also, it falls back to the basis of the debate. We are working with a poor system and we are not making the right choices when it comes to player selection.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:05pm On Dec 18, 2022
Marjoribanks:
You are just beating around the bush without making any point. So na Togo and Kosovo go play the final today, now. Both the Argentines and French will feature division two players today now!

The point is simple. Improve on the quality of our players. The ones we have are not good enough. We need to work on improving it.

With a more comprehensive scouting, we can find far better players. Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 4:18pm On Dec 18, 2022
Argentina wants it more and starting Dimaria against Kounde is a masterpiece!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Blueelf: 4:23pm On Dec 18, 2022
No one can tell me fifa doesn't have an agenda for Messi to win this

That wasn't a penalty but a clear dive
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 4:23pm On Dec 18, 2022
Argentina has been given penalty in every match from the first match through to the final.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 4:23pm On Dec 18, 2022
I said that this is Argentina and messi’s year!

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