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Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Abratech(m): 5:40pm On Oct 04, 2022 |
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Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 9:11am On Oct 05, 2022 |
sgtponzihater1: Which countries is a Dentist not a Doctor biko? Aside UK where all surgeons bear "Mr" (including Dentists since they are surgeons too), which other countries? Even when most of their degrees says DDS (Doctor of Dental Surgery). That degree is a global degree with it's affiliations clearly stated. After how many years, you're still feeding on lies and fallacy? Dentists are not General Physicians, they are Oral Physicians/Surgeons. So are "medical doctors" of the mouth and face. And that is enough for them. They found their area early enough, from undergraduate and followed suit, to be Surgeons, while training in Medicine alongside. More like specializing early enough. If you're talking about the term "Medical doctor", you should go and research the meaning (Wikipedia will help).. I'm glad you now know a Dentist is not inferior to a General Physician. They both have special set of skills, distinct and unique. Have same Postgraduate qualifications (FWACS, FMC), so they're all "medical doctors" with different routes of training. They practice Oral Medicine, surgery etc, so are Oral Physicians, Surgeons. And one needs to practice Medicine or surgery to be a "Medical doctor" (check Wikipedia), whether in general or regional. Aside that, we practice General Medicine with regards to Emergency medicine when necessary during Dental surgery. As such, there's such training and curriculum tagged "Medical Emergency in Dental Practice", and that's part of General Medicine Practice for Dentists. You don't become a Surgeon without having to Practice General Medicine at some point. But we're still satisfied with being Dental Surgeons, since it doesn't make us any less than other Physicians. Ponzi hater my friend, while you're hating, we're enjoying our accolades. Practicing now, and I thank God for that switch to Dentistry. The micro skills and procedures is intriguing. The finance too is not bad, gets better even in Government and with increased skills. Sorry you failed out of medical school, but that is no reason to hate. Heal from the hurt. Rest. 2 Likes |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 10:33am On Oct 05, 2022 |
seunH: I see you, more like the saying, the mouth is not part of the body. Laughable. Dentists are separate from other Physicians, because they follow a different route, but doesn't mean they are not Doctors themselves. They are Medical doctors of the mouth and Maxillofacial region. Medicine and Surgery is employed in treatment of Mouth and Facial diseases. There's a reason they're at Par with other Physicians (in everything, Salary, other entitlements), and a reason they're still clinged together in various Associations (NMA, ARD, MDCAN, etc). It is Historical. Read about the History of Surgery. Lol. You can see that though they follow separate route of training and specializations, they are same. Mouth being segregated against, doesn't still mean it's not part of the body. Minus the mouth, Face and Jaws, a person cannot be whole. 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 10:52am On Oct 05, 2022 |
sgtponzihater1: Dentists are medical doctors of the mouth and face.. Don't know about these other Professions and whether they are trained in General Medicine like the dentists. But the link between dentistry and medicine is Historical. Dentists practice Medicine (Oral Medicine, Oral Surgery), so are "medical doctors" (abi na native doctors them be? ). But they're not General Physicians. They don't need to be, they're Specialists. By the way, you bluffed when you said Optometrists are are doctors of the eye, they're not. Opthalmologists are doctors of the eye. General Physicians can do the work of Podiatrists and Chiropractors, but there's no other Physicians of the mouth than Dentists. So rest |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 6:34pm On Oct 05, 2022 |
Mikolion87: No problem bro. All the best, and I agree with whatever you think. Life is going at a fast pace, and I have lost the zeal to sit on a non-productive issues, as I have a lot of bills to pay and mouth to feed. God be for me and you and all other Medical Doctors and dental surgeons. Over and out! |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mikolion87(m): 8:44am On Oct 09, 2022 |
sgtponzihater1: You should have realized this since before setting out on baseless arguments with a doctor already enjoying the benefits of his labor.. Anyways, I wish you healing from every hurt. I wish you well in your future endeavors. 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Froshchuksswart(m): 5:16am On Dec 25, 2022 |
Now that I’m almost a 500L dental student with clinical experience I can now contribute to this Thread A dentist is not just a medical doctor, he is a medical doctor and a dental surgeon I’m currently doing my surgery posting in plastic surgery and the junior resident in my unit is a dental surgeon, same time I did my medicine 1 posting in cardiology our JR were two BDS doctors and 3 doctors from family medicine, one of our dental student(my classmate) had palpitation he saw a HR in his unit to write him a referral to the cardiologist, lo and behold our senior who just matched in OMFS(A junior resident) was the doctor on call, yes he is a JR currently in cardiology, he examined this guy and prescribed him medication Man goes for JR ward rounds and treat burns and ulcers(the JR reg in my unit who is a dentist going into residency for omf) Make una just Dey play 4 Likes |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 6:47am On Dec 25, 2022 |
How can a Dentist be a medical Doctor Bayi? Prescribing for palpitations does not make you a medical doctor. He needs to check with his indemnity if he is covered to do all the makossa dance he is doing in a cardiology ward as a Dentist. A doctor would be fried if he went prescribing for a dental condition and things went south. Except of course he involved the Dentist early enough for patients not to come to harm. May next year be great for everyone. I reckon if people are busy, they won't be concerned about titles that do not belong to them. We must all be rich. PonziHater |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mammangaddafi(m): 10:48am On Dec 25, 2022 |
Froshchuksswart:I don't understand what you're trying to say. You mean a dentist is doing residency training in medicine or he is on outside posting? |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 12:28pm On Dec 25, 2022 |
Mammangaddafi: The write up is confusing. Deep down we all know the truth and how these things goes. 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mammangaddafi(m): 12:58pm On Dec 25, 2022 |
sgtponzihater1:Very confusing ai...I don't see how prescribing propanol for a palpitation makes one a cardiologist. |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Froshchuksswart(m): 7:44pm On Dec 25, 2022 |
Mammangaddafi: You wouldn’t understand if you are not a clinical student and I no get power to shalaye 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Froshchuksswart(m): 7:51pm On Dec 25, 2022 |
sgtponzihater1: Lol a dentist is a Medical doctor here in Nigeria, I don’t know about other countries, our curriculum only exclude only O and G and PAED Which we replace with more than 8 dental departments in dentistry Dey play, if our medicine and surgery consultants for here Dey call us doctors who the Bleep are you lol, I’m a 4th year dental student and I have passed catheter during surgery posting, Dey here Dey play 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Froshchuksswart(m): 7:56pm On Dec 25, 2022 |
sgtponzihater1: If MBBS people do BDS posting and they know drugs for dental Caries why would they not prescribe Why do BDS people do MBBS postings in shorts DENTAL student do 95% medicine is that a joke to you..? |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 8:23pm On Dec 25, 2022 |
Froshchuksswart: OnG and paed is only? This man! A Dentist is a Doctor as per naija rule, but not a Medical Doctor. That's why medical doctors and dental surgeons are inducted as two separate but respected professions on the same day. That's why there is a Medical council and Dental council as they are regulating 2 seperate professional That's why when you graduate with BDS you can't go to any country in the world and be registered by their Medical Council, because your path is Dental. Shine on your path and commot eyes for people work. All the best bro PonziHater 25/12/22 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by seunH: 10:04pm On Dec 25, 2022 |
sgtponzihater1:My boss, merry Christmas and a prosperous New year sir. Sincerely from these conversations in this thread, if I had my way, I will scrap the course called dentistry in Nigeria. Why? because it is obvious that most dental students/dentists are not proud of what they are doing. I still remember your response to a post where a dental student was celebrating the fact that he was just taught the difference between COPD and Pneumonia, and you were like, what is your business as a dental student with that, rather you should be celebrating the fact that for instance were taught the difference between periodontitis and dental caries etc. The main problem is misguidance from the point of admission. They should stop telling students that dentistry is an alternative if you can't get MBBS or that Dentistry is the same as MBBS, this misleads students who still have MBBS in mind and leads to confusion as seen above. From the above, it is obvious that this our friend really wanted to be a MBBS Doctor but condition warranted otherwise. 2 Likes |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 10:38pm On Dec 25, 2022 |
seunH: That's the safest guess bro. May the new year be better for us all |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mammangaddafi(m): 10:53pm On Dec 25, 2022 |
Froshchuksswart:simple question...do dentists undergo residency training in internal medicine or surgery? |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by MrEgghead(m): 5:07am On Dec 26, 2022 |
Mammangaddafi:I feel he was referring to postings in internal medicine and Surgery. Dentistry is a branch of Medicine, so it's normal to rotate through some departments in the core Medicine during residency in any of the dental specialties. The best thing one can do for himself or herself is to be proud of whatever field he finds himself or better still, go to that field he finds fulfilment. The honest truth is, most of our dental colleagues wanted MBBS in the first place, hence, their urge to defend dentistry at the slightest provocation. This doesn't negate the fact that Dental students do atleast 80% of what Medical students do at undergraduate levels. 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by MrEgghead(m): 5:21am On Dec 26, 2022 |
Froshchuksswart:A dentist by law isn't a medical doctor but a dental doctor. For the sake of clarity, Medical doctor is ascribed only to MBBS holders and Dental doctors to BDS holders. There's a reason why it's like this. Dentistry seems to be a very broad field, that gave the need to train students in the field as early as possible. Even resident in O and G, you'll do rotations in paediatrics and other subspecialties and that won't automatically make you a paediatrician. During your housejob, as a dentist you'll only rotate through dentistry subspecialties and that tells you a lot. I can't argue with the fact that you do almost everything we do at undergraduate levels, but there's a distinction between Medicine and Dentistry. 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by LityB: 6:06am On Dec 26, 2022 |
Nozino: Even in Nigeria, we have association that binds both which is mdcn and also association that indicates Dental only and medical only. The truth is that anywhere all over the world,dentistry can't be separated from medicine. You guys should not use Nigeria as a case study that only in Nigeria, that dentist are linked with medicines. There are 4 specialties that you can't tell me that being a dentist doesn't make you medical doctor.Oral pathologist, oral medical practitioner, oral radiologist and oral maxillofacial surgeon.Check out the syllabuses outside Nigeria, you will see upon graduation ,you are MD along your specialist certification. The reason why there is distinctive features of dental or medical over medical and dental is for each to have a focus. Dentistry is a gross part of the whole body.History of dentistry was purely done after completing MBBS and later fractionalize to dentistry as a specialty like o and g ,Opthalmology, ent etc.lt was the voluminousness that led to the separation. In dentistry, there about 11 specialties. 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by LityB: 6:19am On Dec 26, 2022 |
sgtponzihater1: Who is going to manage craniomaxiilofacial carcinoma? Who is going to manage dental anarchy?Who is going to manage bucco- pharyngeal cancer? Who is going to manage maxillomandibular fracture? Who is going manage dental pathologies with systemic diseases such as HIV,DM,anemia,sarcodiosis,crohn disease etc? Do you all know oral physicians manage all dental cases with systemic manifestations without writing any consult to any physician if he or she likes? We all know all over the world that there is limitation to what dental surgeon can do due to their preliminary focus? But that doesn't exclude them for not being a medical doctor. This is my summary. A MBBS who went to specialise in hematologist is a medical doctor and also a hematologist. A BDS who graduates is also a medical doctor and a dentist.The teaching from 100 level till 5level speaks or explains it already. 2 Likes |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by FreeFolks: 6:58am On Dec 26, 2022 |
LityB: Don't try these in a Teaching hospital where their are specialist trained in Infectious disease, Endocrinology Gastroenterology that can manage it effectively. Why are you all forcing Dentist as a medical doctor? They didn't rotate in all the units MBBS guys rotate as a medical student (O&G and Senior Paediatrics). No doubt, Dental guys are not to be underrated in any form but let people know the scope of their job description. Shikena 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mammangaddafi(m): 7:02am On Dec 26, 2022 |
MrEgghead:Thank you very much...I don't know why they feel the need to always compare their course of study to mbbs. |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mammangaddafi(m): 7:15am On Dec 26, 2022 |
LityB:ENT can manage a bucco pharyngeal tumor though and in a teaching hospital, a multidisciplinary approach in managing a patient with myriad of clinical manifestations is usually the best. I don't see reason why a dentist in a teaching hospital will manage a patient with dental pathology and systemic manifestations all alone, it's not the best! |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 9:22am On Dec 26, 2022 |
LityB: Managing all those cases alone? That's actually poor practice, and should be discouraged in the 21st century. You refused to even involve a pathologist to do histology and an oncologist to initiate appropriate chemotherapy or radiotherapy. If a Dentist wants to have MBBS they have to go back to medical school, and if an MBBS doctor wants to become a Dentist he has to go back to the University as well. No one is undermining dentists. If Dentist were Medical Doctors they could have been able to register with the American medical Board, Australian medical council, Canadian medical board, General Medical council, or any medical regulatory agency in the world, but this is not the case. A MBBS doctor also cannot register with the Dental council as well. A Dentist is not even indemnified to cover a generalist clinic, this shouldn't be the case, a Medical Doctor should be able to manage a generalist out patient clinic. Medicine is way beyond doing a general medicine or surgery posting, even newly graduated secondary school students have taster weeks or months in these department. There are posting in ENT, Dermatology, Ophthalmology, psychiatry, Women's health, child health, orthopaedic and many more missing from most Dental Rotations. I have heard physiology and anatomy graduate make similar arguments of doing everything with MBBS except the extra 2 years; I see those arguing as time wasters, who are loosing a big opportunity to develop themselves. Medical Doctors finish their courses, work for 10 years and even become specialists, and many question themselves if this was really worth it. Then I see non-medics, like Dentist, sitting on a gold mine, with perfect work - life balance, carrying a heavy shoulder and showing clear discontent with their true profession. I can tell you real life experiences but will leave this for another day. Stay your course this new year and may the work of our hands be blessed by the Most High. Best wishes PonziHater |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Froshchuksswart(m): 11:32am On Dec 26, 2022 |
Mammangaddafi: No, but dental residents do rotation for years in internal medicine and surgery, if it takes 6 years to do a PG in plastic surgery you would rotate all other fields of surgery same time interval as a dental resident doing his residency in OMFS, what skill do you have that he doesn’t..? 1 Like |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Froshchuksswart(m): 11:40am On Dec 26, 2022 |
sgtponzihater1: O and G and PAED is “only” it’s just two departments with 14 months posting wtf Who be this guy, you Dey follow me dey argue for medical school wey you no Dey, out of almost 14 departments I excluded two, you Dey here Dey play The OP used medical school, he is very correct here in Nigeria dental school is more of medical school cause while will 4th BDS(MEDICINE AND SURGERY) be a criteria to proceed to DENTISTRY..? if you don’t pass medicine you can’t proceed to dentistry, dental students spend 4 years repeating medicine and surgery and you wouldn’t give them their flowers..? They are medical doctors whether your papa like am or not Dentist are medical doctors who don’t don’t practice medicine, why would they practice medicine when they have dentistry to practice..? In short the best in PHARMACOLOGY here is a dental student,you wouldn’t trust him with drugs because he is not MBBS, there are people in MBBS who passed pharm with an average of 50 and their are people in dentistry who smashed 80, you wouldn’t trust them with drugs..? Like I said dey play |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by horpeyemmi66(m): 2:02pm On Dec 26, 2022 |
Froshchuksswart:Froshchuksswart, just ignore sgtponzihater1. There was a certain thread where he was outed as a brazened bare faced liar. He disappeared into thin air at that time and only just recently surfaced to continue his dance of shame. I advise you lay to rest he and his shenanigans 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Maid007: 1:30pm On Dec 27, 2022 |
sgtponzihater1:Lol... You've come again. After your lies are exposed, you hibernate for a year and then come back, hoping that all your sins have passed away. It's funny how you think that a practicing dental surgeon would even have the time to come on nairaland and be debating with you on this. I have told you before that nobody is claiming a Dental surgeon is a physician or doctor of medicine (MD). A dental surgeon is a doctor of dental surgery (DDS), or doctor of dental medicine (DMD). It's as simple as that... Just go and find something to do with your time abeg. Ur mates that are medical or dental practitioners are busy making impacts, while u are here trying to throw shades at aspiring dental surgeons... |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by sgtponzihater1(m): 1:41pm On Dec 27, 2022 |
Maid007: All you said is correct and corroborates what I have said except not making any impact, this needs a little bit of re-phrasing from you. PonziHater has touched thousands of life's, even those who call me no good have been saved millions from the information that I put across. I have been kind to everyone that have crossed my space and taught young people that you can have an opposite thought without being brash and uncouth. May the new year be good for us all, and may our paths be flooded with light Best wishes PonziHater |
Re: My Medical School Experience- The Fighting Spirit by Mammangaddafi(m): 5:11pm On Dec 27, 2022 |
Froshchuksswart:Oga O and G and pediatrics are not "only" . For medical students, 500L is the longest academic year of their study. They spend 15months studying the O and G and pediatrics you refer to as "only". How can someone that doesn't even know to manage obstetrics, gynecologic and pediatric cases call himself a medical doctor.... laughable 1 Like |
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