"If a man have two wives..." Deuteronomy 21:15

The passage of Deuteronomy 21:15-17 is a specific instruction in the Law Itself to any man with "two wives". If polygamy was a sin, then it would not be possible for a "man to have two wives" in the Law.

"If a man has two wives, one beloved and the other unloved, and both bear him sons, but the unloved wife has the firstborn son, 16when that man assigns his inheritance to his sons he must not appoint the son of the beloved wife as the firstborn over the son of the unloved wife. Instead, he must acknowledge the firstborn, the son of his unloved wife, by giving him a double portion of all that he has. For that son is the firstfruits of his father’s strength; the right of the firstborn belongs to him"
Deuteronomy 21:15-17.

Secondly, God said If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.
Exodus 21:10

Yahweh makes laws protecting the First wife & previous wives here.
Note that this verse comes only 22 verses AFTER the 7th Commandment ("Thou shalt not commit adultery" in Exodus 20:14.

Moses wrote all these yet he still married two wives.

And Moses had a high holy Spirit level in Numbers 11:25

We are no longer under the law but under grace.

We are Christians ,not jews. And the doctrine of Christianity as commanded by Christ is one man one wife

Pierocash:
We are no longer under the law but under grace.

We are Christians ,not jews. And the doctrine of Christianity as commanded by Christ is one man one wife

Sorry Jesus and his parents died being Jews!
Christianity was never started in Jesus's time.

More so Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 that he didn't come to abolish the law and prophets but to fulfill them.

And there was a man who asked Jesus how he could gain eternal life. Jesus told him to follow the commandments!

Finally i won't want anyone to quote Jesus's response to a question on divorce for me here!

AntiChristian:


Sorry Jesus and his parents died a Jew!
Christianity was never started in Jesus's time.

More so Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 that he didn't come to abolish the law and prophets but to fulfill them.

And there's a man who asked Jesus how he can gain eternal life. Jesus told him to follow the commandments!

Finally i won't want anyone to quote Jesus's response to a question on divorce for me here!

under the law we had 10 commandments, but Christ gave us only one commandment which is love.John 13:34-35 "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another"


If you love your wife,you won't even cheat on her not to talk of marrying another woman.

Polygamy is not Christianity. No, Jesus and His parents never died a Jew,they died as Christians. The Jews never loved Him because He was never part of them,and suffered persecution from same jews

Pierocash:
under the law we had 10 commandments, but Christ gave us only one commandment which is love.John 13:34-35 "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another"

What did Jesus say when asked about the greatest commandment? Why is love your neighbor the second greatest? Why the contradictions?

If you love your wife,you won't even cheat on her not to talk of marrying another woman.

God gave David many wives even when he already had many already! God even said he could have given him more! Did God care whether he loves them or not?

Polygamy is not Christianity. No, Jesus and His parents never died a Jew,they died as Christians. The Jews never loved Him because He was never part of them,and suffered persecution from same jews

I never said polygamy was Christian! My claim is that God in the Bible made laws to protect people in polygamous marriage!

Christianity as well as monogamy came after Jesus!

AntiChristian:
What did Jesus say when asked about the greatest commandment? Why is love your neighbor the second greatest? Why the contradictions?

God gave David many wives even when he already had many already! God even said he could have given him more! Did God care whether he loves them or not?


I never said polygamy was Christian! My claim is that God in the Bible made laws to protect people in polygamous marriage!

Christianity as well as monogamy came after Jesus!

then you have answered the question. Christianity and monogamy came after Jesus Christ. That simply implies that monogamy is the doctrine of Christ who is the image of the better plan of God for His children . As long as you are a Christian, monogamy is the only approved marital law ,and not polygamy. Except you are not a Christian

The Muslim madness has started again even after being schooled that that Law was giving "Just is" to a lawful first wife.

The Law was not yet punishing the offender!

Muslims and judgment are incompatible as it is only a Muslim who we will see punishinh a woman who was raped.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2007/nov/17/saudiarabia.international&ved=2ahUKEwjhwoe85Z78AhXeU6QEHQ1FAiAQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1wNKXMJViGl6tXjxPD8QQ_

Pierocash:
We are no longer under the law but under grace.

We are Christians ,not jews. And the doctrine of Christianity as commanded by Christ is one man one wife

Grace is Law and it is still The Law that gives Grace!

AntiChristian:
.. If polygamy was a sin, then it would not be possible for a "man to have two wives" in the Law.

I wanted to say see your stupid reason but because you are being reasonable I'll say "see your wrong crappy thinking.

God Clearly and expressly prohibited adultery yet we see the real eyeity (possibility) of wives sleeping with people's husband's and husband's sleeping with people's wives. They all disobeyed.

You Muslims are obviously incapable of sound judgement, hence your distorted judgement which we know arises from the fact that you are guilty already

Which is why God calls people like you "Children of Disobedience".

That GOD made provisions in the LAW to protect THOSE who engaged in POLYGAMOUS SITUATION does NOT mean GOD instituted polygamy. GOD's sanctioned order is found in Genesis when HE made Adam and Eve NOT Adam, Eve and Mary OR Adam, Joseph and Eve.


Bible is a history book and an account of a people (hebrews), their culture and their dealings with GOD. It, however, does NOT translated to everything recorded being GOD approved.

Let me loud it for those in the back:

THE "BIBLE" IS A HISTORY BOOK, THOUGH INSPIRED DOES NOT MEAN GOD SANCTIONED EVERY SINGLE ACTS, EVENTS ETC.

Nice try. But, NO. Yeshua was a Jew (of tribe of Judah), practiced it, lived the torah laws fully, fufilled the atonement and the other sacrifical requirements as per Torah. But, neither HIM nor the apostles nor early believers said a thing about no longer keeping the rest of the Jewish laws (feast days, abstain from unclean beasts, keep sabbath).

The reason why they no longer offered animal saacrifice was mainly because the 2nd temple was destroyed and without the temple, NO sacrifice is really valid.

BUT, to say HE died a "christian" is a heresy. The word Christian (Ekklessia meaning congregation more accurately) was first used in book of Acts with the apostles (Paul specifically) over 50 or so years AFTER Yeshua ascended to heaven.

LOL. NO. Jesus was most definitely NOT a christian.

And Yes, ALL the laws and commandments are summed in two: LOVE GOD and LOVE people. IF you love GOD, you will keep the rest of the commandments that pertain to GOD (no idol/image, keep sabbath etc). If you love people, you will keep the ones that pertain to people (no steal, no murder, no covetning etc)

Pierocash:
under the law we had 10 commandments, but Christ gave us only one commandment which is love.John 13:34-35 "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another"


If you love your wife,you won't even cheat on her not to talk of marrying another woman.

Polygamy is not Christianity. No, Jesus and His parents never died a Jew,they died as Christians. The Jews never loved Him because He was never part of them,and suffered persecution from same jews

Dtruthspeaker:


I wanted to say see your stupid reason but because you are being reasonable I'll say "see your wrong crappy thinking.

God Clearly and expressly prohibited adultery yet we see the real eyeity
(possibility) of wives sleeping with people's husband's and husband's sleeping with people's wives. They all disobeyed.

You Muslims are obviously incapable of sound judgement, hence your distorted judgement which we know arises from the fact that you are guilty already

Which is why God calls people like you "Children of Disobedience".

Moses had only one wife for unlike you, Moses was Always under the Eye of God therefore all his affairs where closely watched.

Therefore God saw that first wife did not want Mosed and God therefore she departed from the presence of God.

So it is God Himself Who annulled Moses' marriage. The Law of only God can put asunder" unlike your case.

And it is still God Who put together with the next wife, unlike your case.

So Moses is the only man who was able to approach God's Court for dissolution of marriage and remarriage.

Therefore he is the exemption.

These are all your theories! My facts are established from your Bible! Yet you aren't able to quote any verse to buttress any of your points!

Pierocash:
then you have answered the question. Christianity and monogamy came after Jesus Christ. That simply implies that monogamy is the doctrine of Christ who is the image of the better plan of God for His children . As long as you are a Christian, monogamy is the only approved marital law ,and not polygamy. Except you are not a Christian

To correct your position about the commandments, Jesus said the greatest commandment is "The Lord our God is one" followed by love your neighbor as yourself!

Jesus never preached monogamy nor any religion called Christianity!

If you have proof bring it with the context!

AntiChristian:


To correct your position about the commandments, Jesus said the greatest commandment is "The Lord our God is one" followed by love your neighbor as yourself!

Jesus never preached monogamy nor any religion called Christianity!

If you have proof bring it with the context!

I just checked your moniker,I rest my case. Antichristian? And you want us to continue this conversation? No!

Pierocash:
I just checked your moniker,I rest my case. Antichristian? And you want us to continue this conversation? No!

But I've been reasonable with you, haven't i?

AntiChristian:


These are all your theories! My facts are established from your Bible! Yet you aren't able to quote any verse to buttress any of your points!

You Lie, as usual. Here is God's own Word

Malachi 2
14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because The Lord hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.

The wife not (wife and wives) of thy convenant (contract)

And God is not going to endorse nor witness your second marriage to another. Therefore, marriage to another wife is an invalid marriage automatically.

Dtruthspeaker:


You Lie, as usual. Here is God's own Word

Malachi 2
14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because The Lord hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.

The wife not (wife and wives) of thy convenant (contract)

And God is not going to endorse nor witness your second marriage to another. Therefore, marriage to another wife is an invalid marriage automatically.

The context of the verse you quoted was about Judah's unfaithfulness.
The actual marriage seems to have been accompanied by certain solemn promises and blessings (see Proverbs 2:17; Ezekiel 16:8; Genesis 24:60; Ruth 4:11, 12; Tobit 7:13

It's unrelated to polygamy!

AntiChristian:
"If a man have two wives..." Deuteronomy 21:15
The passage of Deuteronomy 21:15-17 is a specific instruction in the Law Itself to any man with "two wives". If polygamy was a sin, then it would not be possible for a "man to have two wives" in the Law.
"If a man has two wives, one beloved and the other unloved, and both bear him sons, but the unloved wife has the firstborn son, 16when that man assigns his inheritance to his sons he must not appoint the son of the beloved wife as the firstborn over the son of the unloved wife. Instead, he must acknowledge the firstborn, the son of his unloved wife, by giving him a double portion of all that he has. For that son is the firstfruits of his father’s strength; the right of the firstborn belongs to him"
Deuteronomy 21:15-17.
Secondly, God said If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.
Exodus 21:10
Yahweh makes laws protecting the First wife & previous wives here.
Note that this verse comes only 22 verses AFTER the 7th Commandment ("Thou shalt not commit adultery" in Exodus 20:14. Moses wrote all these yet he still married two wives.
And Moses had a high holy Spirit level in Numbers 11:25

And all those laws you listed belong in the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel given by God to the people of Israel in the Land of Canaan, so I fail to see what any of that has to do with anyone who is not born of Israel and living in the land of Canaan at this very moment, those covered by the Law of Moses.

Kobojunkie:
And all those laws you listed belong in the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel given by God to the people of Israel in the Land of Canaan, so I fail to see what any of that has to do with anyone who is not born of Israel and living in the land of Canaan at this very moment, those covered by the Law of Moses.

Yeah, in fact Israel still uses it till today!
My point was that God wasn't against polygamy!

AntiChristian:
Yeah, in fact Israel still uses it till today!
My point was that God wasn't against polygamy!

That is not a valid point given that you specified laws given by God specifically to a subset out there as evidence. That is not evidence that applies to all of mankind particularly those who exist outside of Israel and the land of Canaan.

Kobojunkie:
That is not a valid point given that you specified laws given by God specifically to a subset out there as evidence. That is not evidence that applies to all of mankind particularly those who exist outside of Israel and the land of Canaan.

Ndo! I've forgotten that God is racist! Different syllabus is used for different people!

God supported polygamy whether regionally or otherwise!

Kobojunkie:
That is not a valid point given that you specified laws given by God specifically to a subset out there as evidence. That is not evidence that applies to all of mankind particularly those who exist outside of Israel and the land of Canaan.

Ndo! I've forgotten that your God is racist! Different syllabus is used for different people at different times!

God supported polygamy whether regionally or otherwise!

AntiChristian:
Ndo! I've forgotten that your God is racist! Different syllabus is used for different people at different times!

God supported polygamy whether regionally or otherwise!

He is racist yet you quote from HIs law at everyone else, does that make sense of any kind?

He supported polygamy for His people Israel is all your post shows. Nothing else! The onus is on you to show how what He said in regards to only Israel can be made to apply to others.

Kobojunkie:
He is racist yet you quote from HIs law at everyone else, does that make sense of any kind?

He supported polygamy for His people Israel is all your post shows. Nothing else! The onus is on you to show how what He said in regards to only Israel can be made to apply to others.

There's no restrictions in the laws i quoted. If have any restrictions then prove them.

God permitted polygamy and made laws for them! Hence polygamy is not forbidden!

AntiChristian:
There's no restrictions in the laws i quoted. If have any restrictions then prove them.

God permitted polygamy and made laws for them! Hence polygamy is not forbidden!

So, never mind the fact that the details you quoted were part and parcel of a Covenant made by God specifically with those who are of the blood of Jacob in the land of Canaan, you want instead to pretend those clear restrictions don't matter? This the very same God you earlier accused of being racist?

AntiChristian:

The context of the verse you quoted was about Judah's unfaithfulness.

When you take a second wife you are unfaithful to your wife.

Secondly, it is about marriage and your wife because this scripture is the same 1 Peter 3:7

AntiChristian:

The actual marriage seems to have been accompanied by certain solemn promises and blessings (see Proverbs 2:17; Ezekiel 16:8; Genesis 24:60; Ruth 4:11, 12; Tobit 7:13...

Departure from post.

Dtruthspeaker:


When you take a second wife you are unfaithful to your wife.

Secondly, it is about marriage and your wife because this scripture is the same 1 Peter 3:7

Departure from post.

It's not a departure but a commentary of the Malachi verse you quoted!

Which verse says Judah married another wife?

Didn't Abraham, David and others married more wives?

You're just clutching at straws!

NNTR:
I'll tell what is sad.
What is sad, is you have nothing in the New Testament, that backs up endorsing polygamy aka polygyny

Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother,
and shall be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

Note, wife, not wives

Moses, was not married two women, simultaneously

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

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AntiChristian:
"If a man have two wives..." Deuteronomy 21:15

The passage of Deuteronomy 21:15-17 is a specific instruction in the Law Itself to any man with "two wives". If polygamy was a sin, then it would not be possible for a "man to have two wives" in the Law.

"If a man has two wives, one beloved and the other unloved, and both bear him sons, but the unloved wife has the firstborn son, 16when that man assigns his inheritance to his sons he must not appoint the son of the beloved wife as the firstborn over the son of the unloved wife. Instead, he must acknowledge the firstborn, the son of his unloved wife, by giving him a double portion of all that he has. For that son is the firstfruits of his father’s strength; the right of the firstborn belongs to him"
Deuteronomy 21:15-17.

Secondly, God said If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.
Exodus 21:10

Yahweh makes laws protecting the First wife & previous wives here.
Note that this verse comes only 22 verses AFTER the 7th Commandment ("Thou shalt not commit adultery'') in Exodus 20:14.

Moses wrote all these yet he still married two wives.

And Moses had a high holy Spirit level in Numbers 11:25

Matthew 19:8
Jesus replied,
“Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hardness of heart;
but it was not this way from the beginning.

Just as God looked the other way, with divorce in the Israelites days, so God suffered in silence, when Lamech departed from the the original practice of having only one wife

Of course, we know the Quran came circa 500 years after the scripture, and so the reason why it piggybacked on the Bible.

Anyway, the Quran, (i.e. your Holy Book), explicitly made a clear and sound injunction, about doing equal justice to all wives, and so states that, if a man knows, he isnt able to do equal justice, to each of his intended married wives, then, the man simply should marry just one wife.

This law is set in the Quran. Guess your Imam hasn't brought it your attention yet

Never mind. It is, what it is. Its my New Year gift to you

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

SeraphEl:
That GOD made provisions in the LAW to protect THOSE who engaged in POLYGAMOUS SITUATION does NOT mean GOD instituted polygamy. GOD's sanctioned order is found in Genesis when HE made Adam and Eve NOT Adam, Eve and Mary OR Adam, Joseph and Eve.


Bible is a history book and an account of a people (hebrews), their culture and their dealings with GOD. It, however, does NOT translated to everything recorded being GOD approved.

Let me loud it for those in the back:

THE "BIBLE" IS A HISTORY BOOK, THOUGH INSPIRED DOES NOT MEAN GOD SANCTIONED EVERY SINGLE ACTS, EVENTS ETC.

You are clearly affected by language of this story book. I keep telling people, patronize your native languages, you would enjoy the story more with an open mind.. saying god instituted monogamy according to your book, is the funniest thing I have ever seen today.. I'll prove it ..

The story of Genesis in its context and entirety may not suggest the person "man" as singular ..
If monogamy was god's idea, man(singular) and woman (singular) would be created side by side...

Watch closely..

"Let us make MAN in our own image and likeness..."
If the idea of creating woman was an afterthought... having considered Adam as lonely and needing a companion, then it simply means god's original idea would be to create only man (Not Monogamy)...

So any other development that follows after the original idea of creating ADAM can't be considered, going by your own logic.
Even a certain character in the NT acknowledged man to be alone (original idea of marrying your Creator's presence) but for temptation...

Simply put...
Monogamy and polygamy are all ideas of man
They are "man made"

Staying alone as a man looks unnatural( even the creat-ors-US acknowledged this , that's why the other types of marriages were suggested by men

AntiChristian:


...Which verse says Judah married another wife?

Didn't Abraham, David and others married more wives?...!

This is the definition of Change of Post. So you are the one desperately trying to lay a lie because you know you are already guilty.

Dtruthspeaker:


This is the definition of Change of Post. So you are the one desperately trying to lay a lie because you know you are already guilty.

You brought Malachi verse which talks about Judah's unfaithfulness unrelated to the thread!

Na my comment be change of post! Na so liars dey do! Check your Malachi verse versus the original post!

NNTR:

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Matthew 19:8
Jesus replied,
“Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hardness of heart;
but it was not this way from the beginning.

Jesus was asked a question about divorce in the above verse! Is divorce same as marriage to you?

Just as God looked the other way, with divorce in the Israelites days, so God suffered in silence, when Lamech departed from the the original practice of having only one wife

Na your God dey suffer in silence baa?

Of course, we know the Quran came circa 500 years after the scripture, and so the reason why it piggybacked on the Bible.

At least Muslims don't use derogatory words for God like the above! How can God suffer in silence?

Anyway, the Quran, (i.e. your Holy Book), explicitly made a clear and sound injunction, about doing equal justice to all wives, and so states that, if a man knows, he isnt able to do equal justice, to each of his intended married wives, then, the man simply should marry just one wife.

This law is set in the Quran. Guess your Imam hasn't brought it your attention yet

Never mind. It is, what it is. Its my New Year gift to you

Abeg I reject the gift from an ignoramus!
We understand our Qu'ran better without ignorance and arrogance!

Allah says in Qu'ran 4:129
You will never be able to do perfect justice between wives even if it is your ardent desire, so do not incline too much to one of them (by giving her more of your time and provision) so as to leave the other hanging (i.e. neither divorced nor married). And if you do justice, and do all that is right and fear Allah by keeping away from all that is wrong, then Allah is Ever Oft­Forgiving, Most Merciful.

So read the OP again and see balance in the Qu'ran!