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Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by Kobojunkie: 9:31pm On Dec 30, 2022 |
ajekpaks:God of Israel go leave him Israel come dey touch Nigeria because Nigerians took to ignoring the obvious fact that Israel is His only people? That make sense to you? ![]() |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by bobestman(m): 10:03pm On Dec 30, 2022 |
judedwriter:that is not true. Africa is the land of creation and the place the creator gave to his children. They are the ones the king and creator of all things seen and unseen made covenant with there4 the curses of disobedience fell on them only as seen in deu 28. If you read well you will see that africans suffered all the curses and the pink men is the tool used to bring the curses on them. It will continue until they get tired and call on their creator they have forgoten with one voice, then shall they be restored. The pink men knows this. That is why they want africa divided for the day they unite is their end. So the pink men dont suffer the gen curses. Demons and curses ppl suffer for disobedience are not the same thing. Note the point here is why westerners dont suffer gen curses but we do |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by kimco(m): 2:36am On Dec 31, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: Oh the irony. |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by kimco(m): 2:39am On Dec 31, 2022 |
jaephoenix: He really is daft. Please educate us, forget this bold ignoramus. |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by kimco(m): 2:44am On Dec 31, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: You are such a shameless person. You know nothing and yet get bolder everytime I read your posts. How are you getting worse than before? Do you not atleast educate yourself on petty arguments? This is serious ooo. You must be the greatest troll I have seen. |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by crystalmoon(m): 8:47am On Dec 31, 2022 |
For everyone who answer my questions logically and emotionally, I have learnt a lot thanks 1 Like |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by Dtruthspeaker: 8:59am On Dec 31, 2022 |
kimco: Is that how mad you are that you just stupidly jump in at the end of an argument to say something stupid? And of course as I always say, atheism makes you people blind that you do not see that he trolls me as you did everytime he speaks, goatdiot. |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by jaephoenix(m): 10:02am On Dec 31, 2022 |
kimco:I usually don't engage him for obvious reasons, but this time around I did. I could be educating others. He's a lost cause. He's too stuck into religion he's in alternate reality. If he's not trolling and this is how he is offline, then he should get a psyche eval. In psychiatry, we try to get into their heads and see if they have insight |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by crystalmoon(m): 11:23am On Dec 31, 2022 |
jaephoenix:just ignore him |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by crystalmoon(m): 11:25am On Dec 31, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker:I created this thread so that we can all learn and all you do is to bully and argue emotionally, you are closed minded . |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by judedwriter(m): 12:15pm On Dec 31, 2022 |
jaephoenix: The major sin of the African black man is idolatry/witchcraft. The major sin of the European/American white man is racism/homosexuality/ These sins have different consequences. |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by Dtruthspeaker: 3:17pm On Dec 31, 2022 |
crystalmoon: Your thread is already tailored towards bullying Christians and look at my first response, I just addressed the issue only, I did not insult anyone. Then this devil comes and his first words was to insult me and you did not say anything. I thank God that the injustice you people give is what you get. |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by jaephoenix(m): 6:28pm On Dec 31, 2022 |
judedwriter:Can you elaborate on the different consequences, and point out if the consequences are being manifested? |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by jaephoenix(m): 6:32pm On Dec 31, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker:As you can see, you started with the insults, sir. But I would still like to apologize though
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Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by Dtruthspeaker: 7:02pm On Dec 31, 2022 |
jaephoenix: Let me get this right! Do we have kind kwords for people who do bad things eg politicians, ashawos and ashawo chasers, adulterers etc? Is calling a bandit/armed robber and a wicked person their name an insult? |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by jaephoenix(m): 9:56pm On Dec 31, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker:Lol. Let me get this right. Do we have kind words for people that abuse others online at the slightest chance? ![]() |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by Dtruthspeaker: 12:04pm On Jan 01, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Why did you dodge my question and try to switch the burden of proof? I thought you were trying to be peaceful and apologetic. So your intention to apologize was fake! Well, it is crazy of me to expect that you were decent. |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by MightySparrow: 8:45pm On Jan 05, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Just read through the Bible yourself. See instances of pronouncement of curses like on Reuben Jericho, Esau etc. In general read about the life of Israel as it meanders through history. Come to Yorubaland a d see the effects of Alaafin Abiodun Aole upon Yorubaland. |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by kimco(m): 1:59am On Jan 06, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: No one takes you serious though. Just know that. 1 Like |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by God2man2again(m): 5:01am On Jan 06, 2023 |
@ Op, Kindly make research on YouTube about a message by Dr .D.K OLUKOYA when MFM Wuye Abuja was dedicated. Meticulously search for The Title of this message DR.D K OLUKOYA||GENERATIONAL FAMILY DELIVERANCE (FIGHT FOR YOUR FAMILY)|| MFM WUYE ABUJA CHURCH. This message was posted on YouTube 7 months ago. Nevertheless Curse came as a result of iniquity, God started it in Genesis 3:14. Then it went down to so many generations, it doesn't matter whether you are black or white. What is a curse? According to Google, it is a solemn utterance intended to invoke a supernatural power to inflict harm or punishment on someone or something. Synonyms are malediction, evil eye, imprecation, voodoo, hoodoo, anthema, excommunication, hex, cess, jinx, malison, ban. Blasphemous word. Strong language Swear word Oath and so on. Also, apart from God Curses are also invoked as a result.of man's inhumanity to man. The cruel behavior that people show to each other. Recently on Facebook, a lady called Deborah or so scammed a woman of a large sum of money and the woman put a curse on her if she doesn't return the money, the lady eventually returned the money and became born again, she is born again now. She is now an evangelist. If you think I am deceiving you, kindly go to Facebook search and search for Evang Deborah, stroll down, you will see her real story her Facebook page. In the Bible,(read Genesis chapter 49) Reuben slept with his father's wife and his father cursed him, Genesis 49:4" Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then thou defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch" The curse of thou shalt not excel is on Reuben. The problem with Africa is that the root or the foundation of African is riddled with serious idolatry. Too bad, God hates idolatry with perfect hatred. God is a jealous God. Thou shalt have no other God before me. Africans worshipped many Idols, the white men have their own issues with idols. Mathematics is needed now. Are you a Mathematician? Please come! There is something called family tree. For you to be born, you need 2 parents, 4 grand parents, 8 great grand parents, 16 people- 2nd great grandparents, 32 -3rd great grandparents, 64- 4th great grandparents 128- 5th great grandparents 256- 6th great grandparents 512 people- 7th great grandparents For you to be born today over the last 10 generations, you have 4,000 ancestors. You may say, it doesn't matter, it is a lie but come to think of it, you go to a Doctor and you a diagnosed with a particular ailment, the Doctor would ask, if it has happened to any member of your family. Why is the Doctor asking? Diseases are hereditary. They are in the blood line, they are in the family tree. Once someone has done something evil that deserved a curse, it will affect the family tree. That's why MFM is the only Church that can pray surgical prayers to stop these curses, however, it is not automatic, it takes time. Other churches can also do it but you can be sure MFM has it. God decides the time to remove the curse but you must keep praying because you never know what is going on your family tree. So many examples of curses on humanities. Thou shalt not excel. Thou shalt not marry. Thou shalt not live long. Thou shalt not graduate. Thou shalt not be well. Thou shalt not be rich. Thou shalt not be educated. Thou shalt not have children. Thou shalt not go Scot free. Thou shalt not travel out of Nigeria. Thou shalt not be born again. Thou shalt not believe in God. Thou shalt serve idols. Thou shalt not marry a good wife or husband. If you don't break these curses, there will be problem. If the curse can affect the family, the family is a nucleus of the nation, it will affect the nation. The nation will not make it. Nigeria is a case study. Humanities need help. You can decide to be somebody that will rewrite or change your family history or somebody that will follow the evil pattern of your family history. If you go down.many will go down but if you decide to be an inspiration to this generation,.many will be inspired to rise up. May God help us all in Jesus. Mighty name. Amen. |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by Dtruthspeaker: 3:42pm On Jan 06, 2023 |
kimco: It is sufficient that you did even to the point of responding to me after more than a week. |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by jaephoenix(m): 5:39pm On Jan 06, 2023 |
MightySparrow:I need evidence. All those instances you gave me are all hearsays and anecdotes |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by jaephoenix(m): 5:40pm On Jan 06, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:Its crazy of me to expect hygiene from a smelly anus |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by jaephoenix(m): 6:37pm On Jan 06, 2023 |
God2man2again:After taking my time to read through your unabashed advertisement and promotion of MFM(I hope that nigga pays you well), I have these questions 1. Somehow, in your haste to promote your favorite church, you still didn't talk about the OP's question which simply asked why 'generational curses' are not exhibited in the Western World or rather still, the rest of the world(outside Africa) 2. About the Deborah story, did it occur to you that she could have returned the money because of guilty conscience or fear of the curse, and not the supposed action of the 'curse'? 3. We ask patients about the hereditary cause of some diseases like hypertension and diabetes because they are present in genes, and these genes code proteins which interfere with body processes. These have been backed by science. Has your 'generational curse' been mapped in human genes? No. So please don't involve science when you wanna talk trash. Thank You sir 1 Like |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by Kobojunkie: 6:40pm On Jan 06, 2023 |
God2man2again:1. All this here does is confirm that Olukoya is nothing but a Babalawo who uses the name of God to sell his trade, given that absolutely none of what is what you stated here correlates with what is presented in scripture. ![]() 2. God is the one who introduced generational curses on Israel in His Law of Moses which is the National Constitution of the State of Israel in the land of Canaan. And when God began cursing and kicking Israel out of the Land, He retracted that curse by using His name to swear that never again will such be found among His Israel - Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 36. So, your Olukoya who tells you a lot that men have the power to curse you all and that generational curses still exist does not only deny God but spits in the face of God by his assertions that what he proclaims is linked to God of Israel. ![]() 3. Also, your claims regarding Reuben's curse are a lie. Yes, his father cursed him but there is no evidence in scripture that amounted to anything other than words out of his father's mouth, and understandably since God is the one who chose Israel for Himself, not Israel the man. ![]() 4. Jesus Christ did state that the blind will fall into the same ditch that their blind leaders - Matthew 15 vs 14 - will fall into and clearly this explains why most everything out of your mouth rings of Pagan ideas and nothing of that which is of God. ![]() |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by jaephoenix(m): 7:00pm On Jan 06, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:How legit is your Bible? |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by kimco(m): 10:36pm On Jan 06, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: You think I take you serious? Lol. Sleep well sweet child hahaha. Just so we are clear jaephoenix clearly explained to me. He only indulges you because you are the medium to reach others that might have questions that need clarifying. But to really take you serious is only your dream. |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by MightySparrow: 5:28pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
jaephoenix:You are just a blind critic then. Just read the history and the contemporary life of the nation of Israel with your Bible and world history. You will understand. But for a lazy critic nothing will suffice. |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by jaephoenix(m): 7:16pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
MightySparrow:A critic does his job with a mind to make a concept credible. In your case, you posited a point, but when asked for evidence you have been squirming and whining for days, and pointing me to go look for evidence for you. C'mon bro. Both of us know you got no evidence. Someone pulls out stuff from his anus and dumps it on you and you believe it without a shred of evidence |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by God2man2again(m): 8:34pm On Jan 07, 2023 |
jaephoenix: @ Jaephoenix, thank you for these questions. Nobody paid me about promoting my church, I have been a member of MFM for more than 2 decades now. I am a volunteer for JESUS. Through research and continous prayers and testimonies from members, I recently discovered that some MFM prayers are not ordinary prayers, they are actually vomited by the holy ghost, I didn't know this before but after sometime, I came to the conclusion that MFM prayers are surgical prayers that go deep. That worked mysteriously even beyond your imagination, all these are pointer to the fact that God is truly in MFM. Now, concerning the white people, I told you to meticulously search for the message on YouTube, perhaps, if you had listened to the testimony of the GO about the white man who wanted to commit suicide but the wife brought him to the GO for prayers, in the spirit realm, a man in white garment opened his head as if you open a sardine Can and removed a rope from his brain, immediately, the thought of killing himself stopped. The wife complained that the father also committed suicide, it is in their blood. Come to think of it, there are 3 major problems with the white, Divorce cases, ailments like cancer, diabetes are very common and Murder in various forms. They may be rich and comfortable but they have issues, if you know what I mean. Curses are everywhere, they are part of life. Irrespective of the color, white or black. Deborah story is available on the Facebook to read or watch for yourself so that you can judge. I have told you to do that already. Find time to that please, conscience or fear, whatever, the woman had issued the curse and I have explained the meaning of curse. What are you trying to prove? Apart from curses, don't you know that there is power in tongues, in your mouth. Death and life are in the power of the tongue. The most powerful weapon on earth is the tongue. Ask the elders. Why won't we talk about science? Scientific evidence are there for us to authenticate the fact about the blood. We exist by the blood, there is life in the blood. Without the blood, the person is dead. Why do kids look like their fathers or mothers? It is in the genes, you cannot run away from your family bloodline. There is high tendency to inherit from your father some of his good character or bad behavior. Blood smells. One way or the other, you look like your father or like a member of your family. That is how family tree is established. Due to blood groups or genotype. AA marry SS - AS AS + AS- SS or AA And so on like that. Inside the Gene, you will found traces of resemblance from your father or mother and ultimately, you inherit their success or failures, unless you break the curse. Thank you. |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by Dtruthspeaker: 7:30am On Jan 08, 2023 |
kimco: The mere fact you respond to me, is proof of seriousness. Obviously, you people think it is important to be the last worder," keep am" |
Re: Generational Curses : Not Seen In The Western World by jaephoenix(m): 8:51am On Jan 08, 2023 |
God2man2again:I have never read such a clusterfuck of bullshit in one piece before 1. About those miracles, they are all hearsays and anecdotes. No proofs. They may be staged by your head pastors or lies by the members to gain recognition. I need proofs. We have been telling you guys since time immemorial. WE NEED PROOFS. NOT TESTIMONIES BY YOUR MEMBERS THAT CANNOT BE VERIFIED. Alternatively, I can tell you to heal some of my patients. And please don't tell me to invite them to your church. Just speak the word. After all Jesus spoke and it came to pass, so why won't yall do the same. He said y'all would do greater works. The testimonies y'all parrot in your church are trumped up, go to the hospitals. How many pastors and MOGs are healing in hospitals? Nil. None. Because its all staged. Hospitals are where the real sick people are. 2. This story of the white man cannot be verified. They may be staged. Learn how evidence works. Mental illnesses may be hereditary ,like schizophrenia and suicide also. Divorce rates are higher in western countries because of their beliefs. Their women believe in gender equality and this belief is relatively very uncommon in Africa. Recently, it is picking up more interest in Africa, thus the rising rates of divorce. Women used to endure whatever they get in marriages in Africa. Not anymore. So get your facts right. About diseases, I hate to break it to you but cancers, and familial diseases like diabetes mellitus, hypertension are not white man's disease. In fact, hypertension is more rampant in black people than white people. Some diseases are more predominant in black races and rare in whites, like fibroid. They have more random in the African gene. Diseases like tuberculosis, malaria, HIV, Ebola, Lassa etc are more random in Africa because of our peculiarly poor healthcare systems and beliefs. About cancers, more bad news for you. Black people are at the highest risk for cancer death even though White people have the highest rate of new cancers. This increased mortality risk partly reflects a later stage of disease at diagnosis among Black patients, although Black patients additionally have lower stage-specific survival for most cancer types. And they present late because they usually go to herbalists, juju priests and pastors, before they eventually show up in the hospital. This is unlike the average White man that shows up immediately they have symptoms. The causes of these diseases have been linked to diets and lifestyles and not any curses So bro, I don't see any curse here. 3. Bro, there's no power in the tongue, I'm afraid. Its just like any other organ in the body. Gets its regular blood and nerve supplies from the heart and brain, respectively. Used for mastication and speech(and head ![]() I have seen white man name their kids Sandy, Rocky, Brandy etc. Quite unimpressive and 'Ungodly names. They didn't pronounce riches, intelligence etc during their naming ceremonies, but they turn out fine, way better than their african counterparts. I tell people like you with this mentality of 'power in the tongue' to shout "I'll be the richest man in the world" 100 times a day and see if you'll get a dime. Did you think Gates, Musk etc became rich by shouting that they’ll be rich everyday? Matter of fact, they are irreligious folks. 4. Yes kids look like their parents because their genes code proteins which control how their hair grow, hips, height etc. And those genes came from parents. And no, you don't inherit bad character, success, failure etc. Those are gotten from factors like peers, environment etc. Haven't you seen where a man inherits wealth and squanders it? Did he inherit his parents success? Or you haven't seen professors that gave birth to dunces and never do wells? So bro, my advice. Don't learn biology or any science from your pastors. They are ignorant. And you'll be one if you do. Have a nice day 2 Likes |
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