achorladey:
Those scriptures remain in the realms of your Jews Gentiles and dogs saga.

Maybe you personal interpretation of what is written as the verses you keep lifting out of context clearly don't say what you think to all reading. So, again, make your question regarding what is written clear and concise.

achorladey:
At least you admit your limitations. That's enough for me.

My Limitation? You mean all this while,all the scripture I have posted, you believed them to have been said by me?

Kobojunkie:
1. Take the case of the Canaanite woman whose daughter was healed by Jesus Christ in Matthew 15 vs 21 - 28, though she was excluded from the agreement that was Jesus Christ, she benefitted from it, did she not?
2. I am not sure what you want me to do with this passage here.
3. Again, I am not sure what you wish for me to do with this here.

though she was excluded from the agreement that was Jesus Christ, she benefitted from it

I believe she is a DOG and not NATURAL DESCENDANT

Kobojunkie:
Maybe you personal interpretation of what is written as the verses you keep lifting out of context clearly don't say what you think to all reading. So, again, make your question regarding what is written clear and concise.

I don't even need to explain anything or give personal interpretation. Reading it should lead you to where I am going based on the he definitions you have given so far on Jews, Samaritan, Gentiles and Dogs. You can choose to look away.

litigator:
I can’t help but wonder why the changes in church doctrines and dogmas if they are biblical?
The Bible hasn’t changed since I was young Sunday student and in primary 3. But I can’t count the numbers of church doctrines and dogmas that have changed over the years.
When these doctrines and dogmas were been proposed and propounded, we were meant to understand that they were biblical. The propounders often quoted biblical passages to support their position and threatened hell fire in the absence of compliance. Few years down the road, these doctrines and dogmas have either been modified or changed completely. The devil’s box that was devilish and one thing that could send people to hell, no longer sends people to hell. And this makes me wonder what happened? Did the church management simply misrepresented facts using Bible passages as a back up? Are these doctrines and dogmas actually biblical? Are they just psychological conditioning tools and not biblical per se? What do you think?

These are thought provoking questions that requires honest and sincere answers!

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses, will you like if i join in the ongoing discussion?

Kobojunkie:
My Limitation? You mean all this while,all the scripture I have posted, you believed them to have been said by me?

I meant just like you stated earlier using seems on black and white thinking and thoughts of GOD

Isaiah 55: 8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

You know the my in that scriptures

achorladey:
I believe she is a DOG and not NATURAL DESCENDANT

You would need to explain to me what you mean by an unnatural descendant, and why one who is a dog is considered by you as such classification.

achorladey:
Those scriptures remain in the realms of your Jews Gentiles and dogs saga.

You mean all of them don't say what they are written as stating?

Kobojunkie:
You would need to explain to me what you mean by an unnatural descendant, and why one who is a dog is considered by you as such classification.

The scripture stated natural descent not unnatural descent.

Are the DOGS of NATURAL DESCENT? I don't want to believe you are lost already within this discussion

Kobojunkie:
You mean all of them don't say what they are written as stating?

Those scriptures are meant for you to sort the various terms you defined earlier.

achorladey:
I meant just like you stated earlier using seems on black and white thinking and thoughts of GOD

Isaiah 55: 8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

You know the my in that scriptures

I may have used the word "seemed" but clearly, God's Old Law, and Jesus Christ, His New Covenant Law, teaches that anyone who commits even one sin transgresses the whole Law i.e. is a Sinner, right? That sounds pretty black and white to me. Or do you not see that at all? So, it has never been about me and my "seemed" but that decreed by God Himself.

achorladey:
Those scriptures are meant for you to sort the various terms you defined earlier.

Really? which ones? what scriptures?

Kobojunkie:
I may have used the word "seemed" but clearly, God's Old Law, and Jesus Christ, His New Covenant Law, teaches that anyone who commits even one sin transgresses the whole Law i.e. is a Sinner, right? That sounds pretty black and white to me. Or do you not see that at all? So, it has never been about me and my "seemed" but that decreed by God Himself.

Did you see me state that anyone who transgress the law is not a sinner?

Read and digest this well, do you see anything like sinning or sinners here?


I meant just like you stated earlier using seems on black and white thinking and thoughts of GOD

Isaiah 55: 8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

You know the my in that scriptures

achorladey:
The scripture stated natural descent not unnatural descent.

Are the DOGS of NATURAL DESCENT? I don't want to believe you are lost already within this discussion

Which scripture? You would need to explain to me what you mean by an unnatural descendant, and why one who is a dog is considered by you as such classification.

Kobojunkie:
Really? which ones? what scriptures?

Go back to the conversation so far I have had with you on this thread and read them carefully. Simple!

achorladey:
■ Did you see me state that anyone who transgress the law is not a sinner?....

Meaning that contrary to your claims so far, you accept God's Law to be black and white, right? Those who transgress the Law are sinners and those who do not transgress the Law are not sinners, right?

Black and white!

achorladey:
Go back to the conversation so far I have had with you on this thread and read them carefully. Simple!

Again, I am not a mind reader. You didn't ask any questions to at least explain your understanding so I can't do anything with all of the random clippings you keep posting.

Kobojunkie:
Which scripture? You would need to explain to me what you mean by an unnatural descendant, and why one who is a dog is considered by you as such classification.

Have you defined DOGS on this thread? The answer is yes?

I cited a verse that states it is not only by NATURAL DESCENDANT you get to be born of God.

I don't know where you see me state unnatural descendant

Kobojunkie:
Meaning that contrary to your claims so far, you accept God's Law to be black and white, right? Those who transgress the Law are sinners and those who do not transgress the Law are not sinners, right?

Black and white!

Show me where I stated God's law is not black and white first? I am waiting?

Kobojunkie:
Again, I am not a mind reader. You didn't ask any questions to at least explain your understanding so I can't do anything with all of the random clippings you keep posting.

Simple, go back and read.

Did you see me state that anyone who transgress the law is not a sinner?

Read and digest this well, do you see anything like sinning or sinners here?


I meant just like you stated earlier using seems on black and white thinking and thoughts of GOD

Isaiah 55: 8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

You know the my in that scriptures


Please read well

achorladey:
Have you defined DOGS on this thread? The answer is yes? I cited a verse that states it is not only by NATURAL DESCENDANT you get to be born of God.
I don't know where you see me state unnatural descendant

But you have yet to explain what connection a dog has to those listed as unnatural descendant by Paul? You have yet to in fact make clear your private understanding of that stated by Paul in that clipping you lifted. For the umpteenth time, I am not a mind reader. I grasp what Paul is expressing there, but what I don't grasp is the twist you are attempting to give to his statements.

achorladey:
Show me where I stated God's law is not black and white first? I am waiting?

Oh, oK! Maybe I misunderstood then since when you said not all is Black and white, I thought you said that in reference to God's Law and scripture.

Kobojunkie:
Oh, oK! Maybe I misunderstood then since when you said not all is Black and white, I thought you said that in reference to God's Law and scripture.

Oga learn to read and read well.

Kobojunkie:
But you have yet to explain what connection a dog has to those listed as unnatural descendant by Paul? You have yet to in fact make clear your private understanding of that stated by Paul in that clipping you lifted. For the umpteenth time, I am not a mind reader. I grasp what Paul is expressing there, but what I don't grasp is the twist you are attempting to give to his statements.

I will repeat again go back to my discussion with you, pick them one by one and see who or what stands for DOG and who or what stands for NATURAL DESCENDANT. The natural descent are even citations from the book of John not Paul.

MaxInDHouse:


These are thought provoking questions that requires honest and sincere answers!

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses, will you like if i join in the ongoing discussion?

Hmmm! This is good.

I used to study with your folks during my University days and we used to break bread as brethren.

They allowed me to ask all my Sunday school questions and satisfy all my pent-up curiosities from Sunday school and Scripture Union.

I lost contact when I moved, business and school take a toll and the rest is history.

I will be grateful to have you join the discourse.

Shalom

achorladey:
I will repeat again go back to my discussion with you, pick them one by one and see who or what stands for DOG and who or what stands for NATURAL DESCENDANT. The natural descent are even citations from the book of John not Paul.

Again... But you have yet to explain what connection a dog has to those listed as unnatural descendants by Paul? You have yet to in fact make clear your private understanding of that stated by Paul in that clipping you lifted. For the umpteenth time, I am not a mind reader. I grasp what Paul is expressing there, but what I don't grasp is the twist you are attempting to give to his statements.

Kobojunkie:
Again... But you have yet to explain what connection a dog has to those listed as unnatural descendants by Paul? You have yet to in fact make clear your private understanding of that stated by Paul in that clipping you lifted. For the umpteenth time, I am not a mind reader. I grasp what Paul is expressing there, but what I don't grasp is the twist you are attempting to give to his statements.

You will do that assignment yourself since you decided to skip it in your responses. Go back and read and read it well.

achorladey:
You will do that assignment yourself since you decided to skip it in your responses. Go back and read and read it well.

Well, I take it you are done with this then. Have a nice day!

litigator:


Hmmm! This is good.

I used to study with your folks during my University days and we used to break bread as brethren.

They allowed me to ask all my Sunday school questions and satisfy all my pent-up curiosities from Sunday school and Scripture Union.

I lost contact when I moved, business and school take a toll and the rest is history.

I will be grateful to have you join the discourse.

Shalom

I believe you understand or understood the following

1. EXEGESIS

2. EISEGESIS

3. NEWSPAPER EISEGESIS

as it applies to Bible why do biblical dogma and doctrines change

Kobojunkie:
Well, I take it you are done with this then. Have a nice day!

Long before this time. I already got what I wanted from you before you started seeking clarifications.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

achorladey:


I believe you understand or understood the following

1. EXEGESIS

2. EISEGESIS

3. NEWSPAPER EISEGESIS

as it applies to Bible why do biblical dogma and doctrines change

Well! I won’t say yes cos I still a student of learning. I do akin these tools of interpretation like the 3 basic rule of legal interpretation. It almost the same.

Kobojunkie:
Again... But you have yet to explain what connection a dog has to those listed as unnatural descendants by Paul? You have yet to in fact make clear your private understanding of that stated by Paul in that clipping you lifted. For the umpteenth time, I am not a mind reader. I grasp what Paul is expressing there, but what I don't grasp is the twist you are attempting to give to his statements.

What do you mean by natural and unnatural decedents?

Did Obed bridge that gap by birthing Boaz who was of mixed blood and thus the linage down to Jesse, David, Solomon, Joseph and Jesus were all of mixed blood?

You can look this up in Ruth 2.

I await your response