GENES11S:


We are not ebira.

Ogori Magongo is a border town, so we share border with ebira speaking towns.
So most of them and our people intermarry and settle as one.
Same can be said of some tribes from Edo state, they share borther with us and are very close to us.
Don't even get me started with Kwara state, which we were initially part of before the creation of Kogi state. Even now, there are still traces of Ogori and Magongo in Kwara state.

So we are not Ebira, we are Ogori/Magongo. We are a tribe of our own. Yes, we do have Yoruba ancestry which is evident from most of our surnames.

Do you know the real story behind the Yoruba ancestry,cos I seriously doubt the Yoruba ancestry of ogori/magongo,even Akoko-edo have Yoruba surnames

Bimffo:
Is this thread still alive?

My mum is from Ogori and even though I tried to learn the language, omoor, e hard me die.

My Ogori names are Unini and Mosiromoro.

If there is another thread to meet Ogori indegenes, someone should lead me.

It's not as difficult as it sounds. it's quiet easy to learn.

I left home at a young age, luckily for me I had already mastered the language.

Those are very good names.

Mosiromoro means my God is good

Mosi - My God

Romoro - Good

Unini (Onini for Magongo) can translate to someone nice or precious. Such that they are worth seeking for.

babasolution:


Do you know the real story behind the Yoruba ancestry,cos I seriously doubt the Yoruba ancestry of ogori/magongo,even Akoko-edo have Yoruba surnames

The only one I know is the one explained in this post.


Logically, if you speak a language and bear names originating from the language, it means you have had contact with people who speak that language.

GENES11S:


The only one I know is the one explained in this post.


Logically, if you speak a language and bear names originating from the language, it means you have had contact with people who speak that language.

True,ogori may have had contact but not necessarily originating from Yoruba as widely claimed even by ogori/magongo people.

Ogori language, oko is grouped with idoma and Nupe,it is said to be idomoid,and prof akerejola wrote in his history of ogori book than ogori lived with idoma for up to 200years.

Ogori is a distinct tribe,but my hypothesis is that we are more edoid than yoruboid

babasolution:


True,ogori may have had contact but not necessarily originating from Yoruba as widely claimed even by ogori/magongo people.

Ogori language, oko is grouped with idoma and Nupe,it is said to be idomoid,and prof akerejola wrote in his history of ogori book than ogori lived with idoma for up to 200years.

Ogori is a distinct tribe,but my hypothesis is that we are more edoid than yoruboid

Now I understand your point. Though, there are still dots that needs to be connected.

Because I understand Idoma to some extent, and in no way does it relate with Ogori/magongo dialect.

My belief (from reading this book and from stories my grandmother told me) is that just like the people of Israelites traveled for years b4 arriving their final destination, the Ogori/Magongo people might have had similar journey.

Picking up people of different tribes and tongues along their journey to form a tribe of their own.

babasolution:


True,ogori may have had contact but not necessarily originating from Yoruba as widely claimed even by ogori/magongo people.

Ogori language, oko is grouped with idoma and Nupe,it is said to be idomoid,and prof akerejola wrote in his history of ogori book than ogori lived with idoma for up to 200years.

Ogori is a distinct tribe,but my hypothesis is that we are more edoid than yoruboid

There is nothing Edoid about Ogori.
Neither is it Nupoid or Idomoid... I don't know how you guys interprete what y'all read.

The Oko-Eni-Osayen language that the Ogori people speak is an independent branch of N-O-I (Nupe-Oko-Idomoid) languages of Volta-Niger.
Meaning that it is as close to Idoma as Yoruba is as close to Edo or igbo.

GENES11S:


Now I understand your point. Though, there are still dots that needs to be connected.

Because I understand Idoma to some extent, and in no way does it relate with Ogori/magongo dialect.

My belief (from reading this book and from stories my grandmother told me) is that just like the people of Israelites traveled for years b4 arriving their final destination, the Ogori/Magongo people might have had similar journey.

Picking up people of different tribes and tongues along their journey to form a tribe of their own.

Exactly, ogori-magongo is a tribe of its own,the tendency to group us with Yoruba ,in my opinion is flawed,ogori is a distinct tribe.

From the book I read,ogori was even larger than ebira in the past and even owned the ebiraland at a point,the ebira used to pay tribute to the ogori,but there was a war that decimated ogori and made us a very small tribe today.

Also, some Akoko-edo tribes eg ekpe, and make me etc from the book are originally ogori, they branched out for several reasons

scholes0:


There is nothing Edoid about Ogori.
Neither is it Nupoid or Idomoid... I don't know how you guys interprete what y'all read.

The Oko-Eni-Osayen language that the Ogori people speak is an independent branch of N-O-I (Nupe-Oko-Idomoid) languages of Volta-Niger.
Meaning that it is as close to Idoma as Yoruba is as close to Edo or igbo.

You are wrong,have books,oko is grouped along idoma,also the ogori lived with idoma for centuries according to a book written by an ogori prof.It as a relationship with idoma but it's not idoma,it's a combination of several languages idoma being a major one.

Also ,why do you think ogori-magongo is non edoid.

Ogori even by basic layman observation doesn't look yoruboid,it's more similar to Edo culture and systems.

babasolution:


You are wrong,have books,oko is grouped along idoma,also the ogori lived with idoma for centuries according to a book written by an ogori prof.It as a relationship with idoma but it's not idoma,it's a combination of several languages idoma being a major one.

I repeat, Oko is not Idomoid. It is not closer to Idoma than Benin is to Igbo. If you are claiming oko is a 'combination' of several languages, then it basically becomes a creole.

If you insist otherwise, show us a construction of proto-Idoma and proto-oko and show us the parallels that makes it any more closer to one another than Yoruba is to Igbo.

babasolution:
Also ,why do you think ogori-magongo is non edoid.

I am not the one 'thinking' it. Ogori is not Edoid because it simply isn't. It is not Edoid by any measure. Not cultural, not linguistic, not material. Not even oral history which can be as wild as the imaginative depth of the human mind.
Now back to you, how is it Edoid?

babasolution:
Ogori even by basic layman observation doesn't look yoruboid,it's more similar to Edo culture and systems.

How do you mean by this though? what layman observation? On a first time visit to Ogori.. there is nothing about the place that makes one think they are in a culturally distinct zone from Yorubaland (facts)


If the Ogori people themselves (who are very much Yoruba-ish to me) continue to claim Ife and Yoruba links, then that is what they are! How are they more Edoid? or even Idoma? Even on this very thread, ogori people have confirmed it.. You on the other hand keep saying something else.

babasolution:


You are wrong,have books,oko is grouped along idoma,also the ogori lived with idoma for centuries according to a book written by an ogori prof. It as a relationship with idoma but it's not idoma,it's a combination of several languages idoma being a major one.

Also ,why do you think ogori-magongo is non edoid.

Ogori even by basic layman observation doesn't look yoruboid,it's more similar to Edo culture and systems.

It looks to me like you are confused. It is clear from your unsure stance on whether to latch on to Edo to Idoma cultures.
They lived with Idoma for centuries but are very similar to Edo culture. They are even Edoid WHILE THEIR LANGUAGE IS more of Idoma (according to you) confusion pro max.

By the Way, there is no way to look Yoruboid. Igala are Yoruboid but have their own culture. Yoruboid is a linguistic classification, not a culture or outlook.
Same goes with all the other linguistic groupings. Infact, the Edo groups to the south of Ogori are very different from Benin culturally. Same way Degema in rivers state or Epie in Bayelsa (which are also Edoid) are also very distinct and different from Auchi or Okpella.

scholes0:


I repeat, Oko is not Idomoid. It is not closer to Idoma than Benin is to Igbo. If you are claiming oko is a 'combination' of several languages, then it basically becomes a creole.

If you insist otherwise, show us a construction of proto-Idoma and proto-oko and show us the parallels that makes it any more closer to one another than Yoruba is to Igbo.


I am not the one 'thinking' it. Ogori is not Edoid because it simply isn't. It is not Edoid by any measure. Not cultural, not linguistic, not material. Not even oral history which can be as wild as the imaginative depth of the human mind.
Now back to you, how is it Edoid?


How do you mean by this though? what layman observation? On a first time visit to Ogori.. there is nothing about the place that makes one think they are in a culturally distinct zone from Yorubaland (facts)


If the Ogori people themselves (who are very much Yoruba-ish to me) continue to claim Ife and Yoruba links, then how are they more Edoid? or even Idoma? Even on this very thread, ogori people have confirmed it.. You on the other hand keep saying something else.

Am telling you I have read history and origin books of ogori written by ogori profs,the one I remember correctly is the one by prof Akerejola, the former "king" of ogori,he explained that ogori lived with idoma for over 200years,he also explained that the ogori lived with lived in benin too for a long while after living ife it's from there he postulated they crossed the river into the igala- idoma region and settled,he also explained that there are remnants of ogori who migrated to nasarawa and other parts of kogi eg kakanda,theres even a part of ogori called ENI who are even said to be pure benin origin,this is from an ologori himself,not my words, ogori culture is very very distinct from Yoruba ,so is the language,they only adopted a lot of yoruba culture,likewise many akokoedo people,who also speak yoruba fluently,also many akoko edo peoples have similar culture to ogori,you probably aren't from ogori if not you'll understand.

babasolution:


Am telling you I have read history and origin books of ogori written by ogori profs,the one I remember correctly is the one by prof Akerejola, the former "king" of ogori,he explained that ogori lived with idoma for over 200years,he also explained that the ogori lived with lived in benin too for a long while after living ife it's from there he postulated they crossed the river into the igala- idoma region and settled,he also explained that there are remnants of ogori who migrated to nasarawa and other parts of kogi eg kakanda,theres even a part of ogori called ENI who are even said to be pure benin origin,this is from an ologori himself,not my words, ogori culture is very very distinct from Yoruba ,so is the language,they only adopted a lot of yoruba culture,likewise many akokoedo people,who also speak yoruba fluently,also many akoko edo peoples have similar culture to ogori,you probably aren't from ogori if not you'll understand.

Says all we need to know.
Kakanda are now a remnant of Ogori.
What Nigerians don't know is that the fact that an elder/chief or even king says something, or that someone publushed something in a book doesn't make it factually or historically accurate. Even false narratives grow with people's age. So a man or woman can be of advanced age and still end up telling you pure sakamanje fabu.

Btw: Since you are retorting that I am not from Ogori, do you want me to bring you what REAL OGORI PEOPLE on ground are saying?

scholes0:


Says all we need to know.
Kakanda re remnant of Ogori.
What Nigerians don''t know is that the fact that an elder/chief or even king says something, or that someone publushed something in a book doesn't make it factually or historically accurate. Even false narratives grow with people's age.

Btw: Since you are retorting that I am not from Ogori, do you want me to bring you what REAL OGORI PEOPLE on ground are saying?

Yes you can bring what ogori people on ground are saying.

The prof probably is a linguistics prof,he didn't just write stuff,he knew what he was saying,by the say his own postulations is even the closest to Yoruba origin of ogori,there are other books by other ogori profs who outrightly dispute any Yoruba links to ogori,like the book from prof oshiedu and another one which I have forgotten his name.

These are profs that probably researched the topic.

The book provided facts and evidences to back up its claim.

The Yoruba origin story is mostly moonlight tale no much concrete facts to back it up.
Though the book postulated that ogori is direct from ife,it stated that ogori metamorphosed to a unique tribe after its very long journeys and stay faraway from yorubaland.

The links with Yoruba are only at the earliest stages,not different from say itsheriki link with Yoruba.

Like the itsekiri, the ogori became a unique of its own,even more distinct than the itsekiri because ogori lived with the Edo and idoma people for very long time.

Also note the even within the Yoruba itself,they have disputing origin stories so we can't just rely on any oral unresearched story by elders in ogori.

There were many things in that history of ogori book that were shocking to me,i also used to believe the supposed undoubted link of ogori to Yoruba until I read that book.

There are other surprising things in the book eg of the fact that ogori was once far larger than ebira,and ogori even originally owns most of ebiraland.

Whether it's true or not ,it's worth considering,
All am saying is that the ogori are deeper than simply a Yoruba subtribe that many ogorians even refer themselves as.

It goes deeper than that if you are willing to look

babasolution:


Yes you can bring what ogori people on ground are saying.

The prof probably is a linguistics prof,he didn't just write stuff,he knew what he was saying,by the say his own postulations is even the closest to Yoruba origin of ogori,there are other books by other ogori profs who outrightly dispute any Yoruba links to ogori,like the book from prof oshiedu and another one which I have forgotten his name.

These are profs that probably researched the topic.

The book provided facts and evidences to back up its claim.

The Yoruba origin story is mostly moonlight tale no much concrete facts to back it up.
Though the book postulated that ogori is direct from ife,it stated that ogori metamorphosed to a unique tribe after its very long journeys and stay faraway from yorubaland.

The links with Yoruba are only at the earliest stages,not different from say itsheriki link with Yoruba.

Like the itsekiri, the ogori became a unique of its own,even more distinct than the itsekiri because ogori lived with the Edo and idoma people for very long time.

Also note the even within the Yoruba itself,they have disputing origin stories so we can't just rely on any oral unresearched story by elders in ogori.

There were many things in that history of ogori book that were shocking to me,i also used to believe the supposed undoubted link of ogori to Yoruba until I read that book.

There are other surprising things in the book eg of the fact that ogori was once far larger than ebira,and ogori even originally owns most of ebiraland.

Whether it's true or not ,it's worth considering,
All am saying is that the ogori are deeper than simply a Yoruba subtribe that many ogorians even refer themselves as.

It goes deeper than that if you are willing to look

Oga, I haven't even said Ogori are Yoruba, I am only disputing your spurious claim that Ogori are either of Idomoid or Edoid... which are both VERY false, Why are you typing a letter? .
When did you live in Benin? During the time of the Edo sky skings from Ife or during our second dynasty of Owomika (Eweka)?

scholes0:


Oga, I haven't even said Ogori are Yoruba, I am only disputing your spurious claim that Ogori are either of Idomoid or Edoid... which are both VERY false, Why are you typing a letter? .
When did you live in Benin? During the time of the Edo sky skings from Ife or during our second dynasty of Owomika (Eweka)?

Oga am only saying what I read in the book,which is that ogori language according to the book is idomoid( because according to the book,ogori lived with idoma people the longest than any other tribe in Nigeria,and ogori people have links to Edo,cos ogori according to the book migrated from ife,passed through other Yoruba towns eg ilesha and owo,then settled in Edo for quite a while before moving on to the idoma area which they settled the longest for about 200years,they later then had to move they then moved back West,settled in various places including ajaokuta area before finally settling in ogori area,the magongo even have a different journey story.

However,the summary of the whole thing is that ogori has a deeper history than just been over simplified to being a Yoruba descendant subgroup, which many ogorians and magongo people say themselves

scholes0:


Oga, I haven't even said Ogori are Yoruba, I am only disputing your spurious claim that Ogori are either of Idomoid or Edoid... which are both VERY false, Why are you typing a letter? .
When did you live in Benin? During the time of the Edo sky skings from Ife or during our second dynasty of Owomika (Eweka)?

He's only writing to discredit Yoruba, ignore him pls...

scholes0:


Oga, I haven't even said Ogori are Yoruba, I am only disputing your spurious claim that Ogori are either of Idomoid or Edoid... which are both VERY false, Why are you typing a letter? .
When did you live in Benin? During the time of the Edo sky skings from Ife or during our second dynasty of Owomika (Eweka)?

That any sky king branched out from Ife is not true, it is in fact not in tandem with reality

UGBE634:
That any sky king branched out from Ife is not true, it is in fact not in tandem with reality

Many seasoned Historians and some Edo oral tradition disagrees.

UGBE634:
That any sky king branched out from Ife is not true, it is in fact not in tandem with reality

We should believe you & abandon history because??

scholes0:


Many seasoned Historians and some Edo oral tradition disagrees.

scholes0 I like the way you place words, but I would want you to have an understanding of some of these issues, what we find is that to obtain legitimacy from the People, the yoruboid set of Binis seem to want to "yorubanize" Bini history both local and "foreign", whatever we do we should understand that Bini is not really one sect and everyone has the right to tell their history regardless of who is more famous and prominent and we also have a right to accept what we should accept, we have seven main kings in Benin which are (1)Oba of Benin
(2.)Ogie-amien of Utantan
(3)Iyase of Udo
(4) Enogie of Ugo
5 Okaevbo of Urhonigbe
6 Enogie of Egor
7. Elawure of Usen
These stools


it is only perhaps in the mouth of yoruba affiliated kings and people that you will hear of Ogiso coming from Ife, which are the Oba of Benin and Olu-awure of Usen and other yoruba affiliated people, we had moonlight tales in Benin then growing up when Benin was not this urban, it should still be there in the villages, not for once did I hear of any Ogiso coming from Ife, I only read it for the first time on nairaland .

The Oba and the Usen people are not qualified to tell the history of the Ogisos, they don't have the locus-standi to tell it. The Ogisos and her history predates their existence in Benin. The history of the Ogisos is entirely a local business. a business of the aborigines

UGBE634:
scholes0 I like the way you place words, but I would want you to have an understanding of some of these issues, what we find is that to obtain legitimacy from the People, the yoruboid set of Binis seem to want to "yorubanize" Bini history both local and "foreign", whatever we do we should understand that Bini is not really one sect and everyone has the right to tell their history regardless of who is more famous and prominent and we also have a right to accept what we should accept, we have seven main kings in Benin which are (1)Oba of Benin
(2.)Ogie-amien of Utantan
(3)Iyase of Udo
(4) Enogie of Ugo
5 Okaevbo of Urhonigbe
6 Enogie of Egor
7. Elawure of Usen
These stools


it is only perhaps in the mouth of yoruba affiliated kings and people that you will hear of Ogiso coming from Ife, which are the Oba of Benin and Olu-awure of Usen and other yoruba affiliated people, we had moonlight tales in Benin then growing up when Benin was not this urban, it should still be there in the villages, not for once did I hear of any Ogiso coming from Ife, I only read it for the first time on nairaland .

The Oba and the Usen people are not qualified to tell the history of the Ogisos, they don't have the locus-standi to tell it. The Ogisos and her history predates their existence in Benin. The history of the Ogisos is entirely a local business. a business of the aborigines

Actually the people of Udo also agreed and had this narrative that they came from the west of Nigeria. They were a powerful rival to Benin until they were defeated in the Benin-Udo war, and the majority of them returned to the Ufe area. Many didn't get to Uhe and settled across the Ondo region. It is this dispersal from the war that some like the Iyase and some prominent chief in Udo turned around at about the 70s/80s to say the Ondo people originated from them.

babasolution:

Also, some Akoko-edo tribes eg ekpe, and make me etc from the book are originally ogori, they branched out for several reasons

How can Ekpe be from Ogori but claim an Okpameri affiliation and also speak same, but Ogori their purported mother stock that is just a stone throw away have a completely different language?
That makes no sense, no lie.

scholes0:


Actually the people of Udo also agreed and had this narrative that they came from the west of Nigeria. They were a powerful rival to Benin until they were defeated in the Benin-Udo war, and the majority of them returned to the Ufe area. Many didn't get to Uhe and settled across the Ondo region. It is this dispersal from the war that some like the Iyase and some prominent chief in Udo turned around at about the 70s/80s to say the Ondo people originated from them.

And where is Ufe located, ? Go to Udo and not that poorly researched work that christ is truth pasted some time ago with visible faults everywhere , Udo is a traditional community and one of our oldest, I would want you to go there interviewing the elders and the king in that community,. I bet my life no one will tell you any Ogiso came from Ife, maybe I might even do so one of these days, when I have the chance to interview the people on their history and the history of the Ogisos when I have the chance to.

I have never heard nor read of the Udo coming from the west, it has always been the other way round. Udo did not migrate from anywhere, they are strong aborigines, Udo was a rallying force for all Edos, not just the Binis. Udo is older than Ondo, seeing how "edonized" some of these Ondo communities are, it is actually to the fact that Ondos migrated and sank into the yoruba sea

Presently are you aware Obaseki another Bini man is trying to Balkanize Benin and give strong legitimacy to the other Benin stools, so those linking to the Ogiso owodo and retracing other Ogiso to Ife is generally for the survival of the Oba stool

UGBE634:
And where is Ufe located, ? Go to Udo and not that poorly researched work that christ is truth pasted some time ago with visible faults everywhere , Udo is a traditional community and one of our oldest, I would want you to go there interviewing the elders and the king in that community,. I bet my life no one will tell you any Ogiso came from Ife, maybe I might even do so one of these days, when I have the chance to interview the people on their history and the history of the Ogisos when I have the chance to.

I have never heard nor read of the Udo coming from the west, it has always been the other way round. Udo is older than Ondo, seeing how "edonized" some of these Ondo communities are, it is actually to the fact that Ondos migrated and sank into the yoruba sea

I am not arguing with you that if I go there now they won't agree with that narrative. I even told you that the narrative there has actually changed.
Only telling you that that account existed, and it was documented. Even people like Talbot, and later on the likes of Egharevba talked about it when they documented how Udo was the first abode of Ogiso.

scholes0:


I am not arguing with you that if I go there now they won't agree with that narrative. I even told you that the narrative there has actually changed.
Only telling you that that account existed, and it was documented. Even people like Talbot, and later on the likes of Egharevba talked about it when they documented how Udo was the first abode of Ogiso.

they might not have gone to Udo, to the Oba, going to Udo will not be necessary,( as to him, he is the custodian of the culture and traditions of Edo people) the people who were interviewed were certainly from the Oba's court in Benin city. The Oba tell the history of these communities on their behalf. with Ife appearing everywhere, it is obvious that this is the Oba and Egharevba's narrative, it is only just recently aborigines who are not comfortable with such started speaking out, and the internet now is helping,go to these various communities Even in Esan and Urhobo, and the local Bini communities, you will find out that the history of the Ogisos is one way not featuring any yoruba and the numbers are the same but that that of the palace Is starkly different, then when you go to the Oba's palace, it is different

UGBE634:
they might not have gone to Udo, to the Oba, going to Udo will not be necessary,( as to him, he is the custodian of the culture and traditions of Edo people) the people who were interviewed were certainly from the Oba's court in Benin city. The Oba tell the history of these communities on their behalf. with Ife appearing everywhere, it is obvious that this is the Oba and Egharevba's narrative, it is only just recently aborigines who are not comfortable with such started speaking out, and the internet now is helping,go to these various communities Even in Esan and Urhobo, and the local Bini communities, you will find out that the history of the Ogisos is one way not featuring any yoruba and the numbers are the same but that that of the palace Is starkly different, then when you go to the Oba's palace, it is different

So you agree that Udo is older than Benin?

scholes0:


So you agree that Udo is older than Benin?

it is

UGBE634:
it is

Good. Now that we have established that, check what the people of Udo originally claimed to have come from according to histographers like Darling and notes from the Partridge report in the two screenshots below.

Do you know why Benin's extensive system of deterring moats (iya) was mainly built to focus on and block influence from the eastern flank, and virtually none can be found towards west in the Usen-Udo-Siluko area (Iyekovia) adjoining Ondo even though Udo and Benin were bitter rivals for a very long period of history? The people to the west of the Osse (Ovia) river were NEVER at any time seen as enemies to either of Benin or Udo and they needed to keeep the constant tandemic communication between the Edo and the Yoruba of ife via the Ukoluhe (messengers of Ife) going smoothly and uninterrupted.

Infact, the most important historical and archaeological facts about Benin always point to this area in one way or the other. All the mothers of the early Obas of Benin came from behind the Osse river, up till very much later when the mothers of the Obas started to coming from the Orhiomwon area and further east side.

scholes0:


How can Ekpe be from Ogori but claim an Okpameri affiliation and also speak same, but Ogori their purported mother stock that is just a stone throw away have a completely different language?
That makes no sense, no lie.

There's some sense,okpameri is not a culture, it was just an alliance that was established by the villages to form a united front against Nupe invasion.Anyways I dnt have concrete evidence of ogori ekpe connection ,however it's what looking into.

babasolution:


There's some sense,okpameri is not a culture, it was just an alliance that was established by the villages to form a united front against Nupe invasion.Anyways I dnt have concrete evidence of ogori ekpe connection ,however it's what looking into.

sir Okpamheri is a language, it is an Edo tribe

scholes0:


Good. Now that we have established that, check what the people of Udo originally claimed to have come from according to histographers like Darling and notes from the Partridge report in the two screenshots below.

Do you know why Benin's extensive system of deterring moats (iya) was mainly built to focus on and block influence from the eastern flank, and virtually none can be found towards west in the Usen-Udo-Siluko area (Iyekovia) adjoining Ondo even though Udo and Benin were bitter rivals for a very long period of history? The people to the west of the Osse (Ovia) river were NEVER at any time seen as enemies to either of Benin or Udo and they needed to keeep the constant tandemic communication between the Edo and the Yoruba of ife via the Ukoluhe (messengers of Ife) going smoothly and uninterrupted.

Infact, the most important historical and archaeological facts about Benin always point to this area in one way or the other. All the mothers of the early Obas of Benin came from behind the Osse river, up till very much later when the mothers of the Obas started to coming from the Orhiomwon area and further east side.

I don't think that Oral account was gotten from Udo, if it was it is not what I will take so seriously, and these are the reasons for it,
1. there is no sign of yorubaness in Udo, it is not that they migrated to the centre and say okay maybe they were submerged, for example that of Usen is so easy to believe, one can understand that they migrated down and were not submerged totally since they are at the edge,they still manage to retain their dialect alongside incorporating the language of the natives they met on ground. what about Utesse, they seem to speak a strange dialect that seem to be a mixture of yoruba and Edo. so when they talk about their yoruba antecedent, it is easier to believe, but on the other hand, Udo speak pure Bini, and is the house for the mightiest shrine in Idu or Edo land which is the Eriwmin-Idu.

today it is hard not to go online and see an Edo man from other tribal descent maybe Esan or Urhobo talking about Igodomigodo and Idu and featuring Udo, and as they feature Udo, they will be telling you that the yoruba people came around, that is why their group migrated. There is nothing you will tell me scholes0, Udo is the town with the largest tales of migration, Etsako, Esan, Urhobo, Ijaw,they can't all be lying,they couldn't have migrated from there and seem to have very related dialects with Bini and other regions. Udo seem to be the very core of what the very Edo race stand for, Urhobo, Esan, Etsako, Benin etc. the earlier history seem to be influenced by the Oba of Benin and it is just recently after the fall out with the Oba's line that is when the Iyase begun telling his history his own way. If she did migrated from Ife, how did she submerge totally to now become the core of the Edo race, when she is at the periphery, we know Udo to be very ancient and our core. Udo is a strong aboriginal community that is in the western flank. alongside with oral traditions, other facts should help in substantiating these things, it is on these basis that I find this not to be true

If you are talking about the importance of towns in the Edo race, Udo is first, it is the primal town of all Edo people, Udo's influence extend properly beyond Bini even into other Edo tribes, when you see other Edo tribes talk about migrating from Benin , they are not talking about Benin city, they are talking about Udo,

The second would be Benin, then Urhonigbe. Udo is the uniting chord of all Edo people, it is Like the Ife of the yoruba people, there is no way she would have migrated from Ife and not distribute her yoruboid trait, there is no way Udo is a Migrants town from Ife and we are not yorubas, there is no way, because the migrant population from Udo is far larger than any other Benin community.

There are variations but Udo is at the core of what Edo is, the oldest families in Benin is from Udo

Lastly Edo is not a corruption of Udo nor was it gotten from it, vive-versa, what we have is that the name Edo was that of a servant who helped the Oba in ascending the throne and in turn the Oba named the Bini city and country they are distinct and light years apart, they did not in anyway affected each others name.

It is not believable, Udo is at the periphery, she is not yoruba speaking, she does not even speak it as one of her dialect, she does not even speak a mix, she speak super pure Bini that a man from The Eastern flank of Urhonigbe and Oza would not have any trouble comprehending. My brother Oudobo does not add up. My brother there is no community that is more Edo than Udo, if at all Udo migrated, then every other Bini communities migrated.

Neccesity is laid on me to defend what is ours, and that I would do passionately, Udo is not a Migrants town at all let alone being one from the south west. Udo is our core, I am an eastern Bini man but I tell you this with all confidence, Udo is our core and our rallying point not just for the Binis but for the entire Edo race. Intuitively and instinctively you will just know it is not true

babasolution:


Oga am only saying what I read in the book,which is that ogori language according to the book is idomoid( because according to the book,ogori lived with idoma people the longest than any other tribe in Nigeria,and ogori people have links to Edo,cos ogori according to the book migrated from ife,passed through other Yoruba towns eg ilesha and owo,then settled in Edo for quite a while before moving on to the idoma area which they settled the longest for about 200years,they later then had to move they then moved back West,settled in various places including ajaokuta area before finally settling in ogori area,the magongo even have a different journey story.

However,the summary of the whole thing is that ogori has a deeper history than just been over simplified to being a Yoruba descendant subgroup, which many ogorians and magongo people say themselves

Scholes is a typical Yoruba man from ondo State and he is also anti edo on this forum reason why he is speaking against your narrative