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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by lexy2014: 9:06pm On Jan 13, 2023
casualobserver:


For all his flaws, He is the most qualified of all the Nigerian presidents to date on finance, budgeting and accounting.

What are those his flaws?

When did Tinubu become a Nigerian president that "He is the most qualified of all the Nigerian presidents to date on finance, budgeting and accounting"?

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by reddingtonblack: 9:08pm On Jan 13, 2023
AmuDimpka:
And who said that this one is an accountant


This is the first time I year am accountant say budget deficit isn't bad

If this kan win eeeeehhhh bubu will be a saint

Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by Father254: 9:19pm On Jan 13, 2023
YorubaNiBaba:


https://dailypost.ng/2023/01/13/budget-deficits-not-necessarily-bad-tinubu-reacts-to-2023-appropriation/

Please share a video where he said it or else na fake news.
BAt Papa BULABA is not in touch with reality. Mic � licker

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by Ballo1292(m): 9:20pm On Jan 13, 2023
Johnthejohn:
What does Tinubu know about budget

This rubbish you spew was borne out of hatred and couldn't stand the test reasonable rationality.

He is guru in accounting and any accountant had both micro and macroeconomics as their core course while in school.

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by IbeOkehie: 9:22pm On Jan 13, 2023
casualobserver:


Of course the caveat here is that so long as the borrowing is invested properly.

Government investment almost always results in waste, corruption and inefficiency. Government can do nothing well.

So the best advice one can give to the next government is to give over the economy to the private sector and abolish all forms of price regulation, including forex regulation.

Thanks.
Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by Bluntemperor: 9:24pm On Jan 13, 2023
G00DHardDick:
Of course, the Budget won't be bad because you're coming to steal, destroy and cripple down Nigeria. Idiot man. Thank God PO is on board to cut down the unnecessary and irrelevant expenses of govt.

This is exactly why Nigeria urgently needs Peter obi to rescue us from these clueless old ancestors criminals. vote labour party vote obi

And you think Obi know more in this issue,as Tinubu was an aAccountant of a Multinational!
You guy are just too funny!
Anyway,not by abuses or name calling People are already making up their minds on whom to Vote!

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by Fujiyama: 9:24pm On Jan 13, 2023
casualobserver:
ok he is the most knowledgeable on finance, budgeting and accounting of all past Nigerian presidents and the leading aspirants.

^^^
You are still repeating the error sir. As long as Bola Tinubu has never been president, then you cannot describe him as shown above. You may describe him as being the most knowledgeable (on finance etc.) of all the leading aspirants (a highly debatable assertion) but you cannot include past presidents in the comparison because he has never been president.

casualobserver:
Obasanjo got us debt relief...to what avail? all the saving was looted with nothing to show in infrastructure...electricity zero, roads zero, refineries zero, rail zero...upon all he even sold over 150 govt owned companies. Peter Obi saved money for Anambra...to what avail? People who understand money, debt and budgeting know that for a country badly in need of development, you borrow as much as you can and invest in infrastructure and social programs. The more you borrow the less there is to steal, the more you save the more there is to steal. the more you borrow the more your successor have to engage their brains to generate revenue, the more you borrow the more you can invest in creating future wealth.

Ofcourse the caveat here is that so long as the borrowing is invested properly. However in the case of Nigeria, you save money you are just saving money for your succesor to loot without doing any work. If your successor is going to loot at least leave him/her with a debt burden (hopefully for visible infrastructure) so that if he want to loot he has to work to generate increased revenue, because debt is always deducted at source from FAAC.

^^^
Ok...I'm still trying to get what your point is...

I get the impression (correct me if I'm wrong) that you disagree with Peter Obi's decision to avoid debt. Do you believe his administration should have borrowed instead? And what kind of borrowing - local currency debt or foreign currency debt?
Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by seguno2: 9:30pm On Jan 13, 2023
Johnthejohn:
What does Tinubu know about budget

ThiefNuibu knows looting, a lot of looting about budget.
No more no less.

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by Fujiyama: 9:30pm On Jan 13, 2023
Ballo1292:
He is guru in accounting and any accountant had both micro and macroeconomics as their core course while in school.

^^^
cheesy

No he isn't. What makes him a "guru"?
Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by emmanuelbrown26: 9:31pm On Jan 13, 2023
oyebanji44:


Did you know if the money wasn't enough
When d 322million dollars was released, d condition was for infrastructure which second Niger bridge was part of d condition

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by joyandfaith: 9:32pm On Jan 13, 2023
vhykeeytor:

Buhari did not construct the 2nd Niger bridge with any loan. The money used to construct the second Niger bridge was the repatriated fund from Abacha Loots. Infact the United State gave the condition that the money must be used for infrastructure if they are to return the loot.

Say it louder so that oyebanji44 can hear you.
Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by arantess: 9:33pm On Jan 13, 2023
oyebanji44:
Good point from tinubu


As long as it is used for the intended purpose..

Like what buhari did to the south easterner by constructing the second Niger bridge ..

Is it wise ,for any one of them to criticise buhari for borrowing loan..

Only bridge?
What of the refineries per year?

You realise there's debt of 77trillion waiting for the next government
Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by joyandfaith: 9:34pm On Jan 13, 2023
Ballo1292:


This rubbish you spew was borne out of hatred and couldn't stand the test reasonable rationality.

He is guru in accounting and any accountant had both micro and macroeconomics as their core course while in school.

No accounting body in nigeria knows him. He is not a certified accountant in any part of the world. If you bring contrary evidence, i would retract.
Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by azikiweironsi(m): 9:37pm On Jan 13, 2023
Johnthejohn:
What does Tinubu know about budget

You see, because you refused to study the man and you forgot he is an accountant but because of hatred and bigotry made some of you blind to this gentleman. You only sniffed out the negatives and jump to conclusion. So far, among the contestants, this man device new ways of doing campaign, town hall meetings, not falling for their wimps and caprices for television debates or visiting churches yet others are copying him and still says he is dumb.

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by searchlight: 9:37pm On Jan 13, 2023
Obaofaba:
Jagaban is my president....


The man is very vast with productive agendas, he knew and understand Nigeria more than any of his challengers.

He has men in every local government area in Nigeria.

His cabinet members has been known already.

Positive results will start showing from 29th May.
He can be the president of your father and your family who cares ?
Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by searchlight: 9:39pm On Jan 13, 2023
casualobserver:


For all his flaws, He is the most qualified of all the Nigerian presidents to date on finance, budgeting and accounting.
By whose rating? That's how Buhari was the second best thing to happen to Nigeria after agege bread
Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by Ttalk: 9:41pm On Jan 13, 2023
reddingtonblack:




You should have taken your time to digest what TInubu is saying, borrowing or collecting loan is not bad itself, countries & large scale firms sort for loan all the time to finance projects, now what you use the loan to do is what is subjective to bad or good which i agree with Tinubu.

Borrowing loan to finance recurrent expenditure is counter-productive and i guess the point Tinubu is trying to make is that how about borrowing money to finance projects
& infrastructures that will be inaugurated into generating income/revenue should be the ideal.
Imagine someone collecting loan to finance a wedding or burial, then he cries loan is bad buh when you borrow money to acquire asset, the asset itself can service its loan & repay on a short or long run depends.


The guy will never pay attention, the moment they hear Tinubu's name the next thing is to active their hate mode

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by mofadereraira3: 9:48pm On Jan 13, 2023
Yes Baba. The deficits are "Real and they are spectacular ".Yes Baba. The deficits are "Real and they are spectacular "....
Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by Alawode01(m): 9:51pm On Jan 13, 2023
Yes, Asiwaju got it very right..

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by casualobserver: 9:54pm On Jan 13, 2023
IbeOkehie:


Government investment almost always results in waste, corruption and inefficiency. Government can do nothing well.

So the best advice one can give to the next government is to give over the economy to the private sector and abolish all forms of price regulation, including forex regulation.

Thanks.

Wrong! The biggest mistake we make is to blindly follow whatever the latest fashionable economic model in the west.

Like I said earlier Obasanjo/Atiku privatized over 150 government owned companies under the guise that govt has no business in business.

Of all those companies Alaska steel, Ajaokuta, PAN, Nigerian airways, nepa nitel, etc etc how many of them are functioning now that they were sold at a pittance to private individuals? Most were sold for cents on the dollar and were asset stripped.

The problem isn’t govt owning companies, the problem is government managing companies. NLNG is an axample of a profitable efficient govt owned company..why because it is not managed by the govt.

We have lost many industries and many jobs and many assets because we bought into the western model. Firstly when you study economics you modify it to your environment. Secondly there are some industries that only govt have the funds to establish especially in a high interest rate environment.

Only govt can set up these industries. Govt should set them up and be a minority shareholder and let private sector mange them.

It is not that govt has no business in business it is that govt has no business managing businesses. So a model where govt finances the establishment of large scal industries as a minority partner. With management in the hands of the private sector technical/management partner with a stake in the business like NLNG.

If we are waiting for Oyinbo model to kick start our development without govt we will be here forever.

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by tdayoojo: 10:03pm On Jan 13, 2023
Johnthejohn:
What does Tinubu know about budget

You may wish to tell us what he did not know that you know Mr economist.

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by anyilalaz: 10:07pm On Jan 13, 2023
oyebanji44:
Good point from tinubu


As long as it is used for the intended purpose..

Like what buhari did to the south easterner by constructing the second Niger bridge ..

Is it wise ,for any one of them to criticise buhari for borrowing loan..


Please stop pushing that Unjust narrative. 2nd Niger bridge is a public private partnership that is heavily private oriented and that is the reason for introducing toll on it. Do compare it to other major infrastructures in other regions like Abuja Kaduna express, Nigeria to Niger Republic railway, Lagos Ibadan express, sagamu Benin express, etc The injustice and inequality in the polity is one of the reasons why agitations are everywhere.

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by casualobserver: 10:15pm On Jan 13, 2023
Fujiyama:


^^^
You are still repeating the error sir. As long as Bola Tinubu has never been president, then you cannot describe him as shown above. You may describe him as being the most knowledgeable (on finance etc.) of all the leading aspirants (a highly debatable assertion) but you cannot include past presidents in the comparison because he has never been president.



^^^
Ok...I'm still trying to get what your point is...

I get the impression (correct me if I'm wrong) that you disagree with Peter Obi's decision to avoid debt. Do you believe his administration should have borrowed instead? And what kind of borrowing - local currency debt or foreign currency debt?



When you hear someone talking about avoiding debt or thinks being debt free is automatically a good thing or has an aversion to debt especially in a developing economy, it shows the person has no real understanding of wealth creation. Don’t be confused buying and selling especially when you have sole distributor ship for sale whole country will make you wealthy without really understanding wealth creation and finance especially public development finance.

Debt is an instrument of wealth creation. Debt for investment is good debt for consumption is bad. So when you talk about debt, you have to distinguish what kind of debt you are talking about. Debt to pay fuel subsidy is suicidal and it is the root of our problems under Buhari. The debt incurred on subsidy every year is enough to build 1 refinery a year! If he had incited debt to fix our refineries, we wouldn’t import fuel, forex demand will be less inflation would be lower and there would be less need for subsidy because we aren’t importing fuel. Debt to build rail roads and schools is good debt because it will pay itself with a more efficient economy a better educated population who will earn more and pay more taxes.

When I see someone with an aversion for debt for debt sake or who talks about saving and cutting wastage to fuel Nigerians growth, I know the person is not serious. The is only 1 way to solve Nigerians problems going forward. Raise revenues, stop subsidies and secure sources additional debt for development projects hopefully financed with increased taxes/ revenues. Anyone who thinks they can take Nigeria forward by cutting wastage is a clown. At most you save $1b a year. Nigeria needs to find $500-$1trillion over the next 10 years to arrest the rot. Your savings is not going to make a dent. Only carefully targeted debt investment and massive revenue increase can solve the problem.

Any clown telling you he won’t travel with entourage is just playing to the gallery, I am not saying he should not cut down on entourages but how much do entourage cost? I will sell this guest house, I will sell that guest house is just insulting the intelligence of those who have any. It is not the money you save from cutting down your entourage or cutting down the presidential fleet that will make any difference to the development of the country.


Obasanjo sold all govt official quarters only for the same govt to give allowances far in excess of what it costs to run those official quarters.


Elon musk is the richest man in the world he borrowed money to buy Twitter. Dangote is the richest black man in Africa, he borrowed money to build his refinery. They are both likely going to get richer as a result. There is debt and there is debt. When you hear someone talking about saving when you are undeveloped or having an aversion for debt for debt sake..trust me the person has no clue.

You need to find a way to raise revenues by or inject an average of $50b a year in the public and social infrastructure of the economy and someone is talking about savings….that’s a sign of small mindedness…..someone guaranteed to keep the country in poverty..

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by NothingDoMe: 10:22pm On Jan 13, 2023
Ballo1292:


This rubbish you spew was borne out of hatred and couldn't stand the test reasonable rationality.

He is guru in accounting and any accountant had both micro and macroeconomics as their core course while in school.
Need to see the video of the speech. Nonsense cannot be packaged for Nigerians again.
Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by 77up(m): 10:32pm On Jan 13, 2023
Johnthejohn:
What does Tinubu know about budget
Only if you don't sleet and wake hating Tinubu will you see something good about him.


Hate is disease.

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by aujile(m): 10:38pm On Jan 13, 2023
vhykeeytor:


Whatever that's remaining would be collected at toll fee for years to come. It's a PPP...project. the government was struggling to meet up his own funding before the repatriated abacha loot came. Any money borrowed by this government was spent on hospital bill for the president, bogus allowance for politicians, payment of salaries, servicing of debt, payment of the scam called subsidies, sponsoring of pilgrimage, etc..
You forgot to add the ones spent on Niger Republic (covert and overt)
Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by 77up(m): 10:38pm On Jan 13, 2023
Nigeria won't afford to miss this great opportunity of having a Tinubu presidency.

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by aujile(m): 10:56pm On Jan 13, 2023
casualobserver:


When you hear someone talking about avoiding debt or who seems to think being debt free is a good thing or an unhealthy aversion to debt, it shows the person has no real understanding g of wealth creation. Don’t be confused buying and selling especially when you have sole distributor ship for sale whole country will make you wealthy without really understanding wealth creation and finance especially public development finance.

Debt is an instrument of wealth creation. Debt for investment is good debt for consumption is bad. So when you talk about debt, you have to distinguish what kind of debt you are talking about. Debt to pay fuel subsidy is suicidal and it is the root of our problems under Buhari. The debt incurred on subsidy every year is enough to build 1 refinery a year! If he had incited debt to fix our refineries, we wouldn’t import fuel, forex demand will be less inflation would be lower and there would be less need for subsidy because we aren’t importing fuel. Debt to build rail roads and schools is good debt because it will pay itself with a more efficient economy a better educated population who will earn more and pay more taxes.

When I see someone with an aversion for debt for debt sake or who talks about saving and cutting wastage to fuel Nigerians growth, I know the person is not serious. The is only 1 way to solve Nigerians problems going forward. Raise revenues, stop subsidies and heavy debt hopefully financed with increased taxes/ revenues. Anyone who thinks they can take Nigeria forward by cutting wastage is a clown. At most you save $1b a year. Nigeria needs to find $500-$1trillion over the next 10 years to arrest the rot. Your savings is not going to make a dent. Only carefully targeted debt investment and massive revenue increase can solve the problem.

Any clown telling you he won’t travel with entourage is just playing to the gallery, I am not saying he should cut down on entourages but how much does entourage cost? I will sell this guest house, I will sell that guest house is just insulting the intelligence of those who have any. It is not the money you save from cutting down your entourage or cutting down the presidential fleet that will make any difference to the development of the country.


Obasanjo sold all govt official quarters only for the same govt to give allowances far in excess of what it costs to run those official quarters.


Elon must is the richest man in the world he borrowed money to buy Twitter. Dangote is the richest black man in Africa, he borrowed money to build his refinery. They are both likely going to get richer as a result. There is debt and there is debt. When you hear someone talking about saving when you are undeveloped or having an aversion for debt for debt sake..trust me the person has no clue.

You need to find a way to raise revenues by or inject an average of $50b a year in the public and social infrastructure of the economy and someone is talking about savings….that’s a sign of small mindedness…..someone guaranteed to keep the country in poverty..

I agree with your points but...
No matter how good they are, if you fail to cut cost, you may still find it difficult to come out of the problem. Year in year out, our budget is always the same (a recurrent budget). More money is being spent on things that don't bring returns.
Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by ImperialYoruba: 11:00pm On Jan 13, 2023
Johnthejohn:
What does Tinubu know about budget

Tinubu is schooling your Obi about borrowing. You need to take debt to generate production and create employment and wealth.

Obi said he did not go into debt because he was saving money.

In the end, Anambra youths abandoned home and relocated to Lagos to find daily bread where govt took loans to build rail lines, build Eko Atlantic, expand mega markets, and so on.

This is not spare part economics, Tinubu is preaching public treasury bonds (municipal bonds, govt bonds) sucked up by Corporate and private investors. So at the top you have people building wealth, and at bottom you have that wealth being redistributed via productive and gainful employment.

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Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by elsiusgr8t(m): 11:32pm On Jan 13, 2023
casualobserver:


ok he is the most knowledgeable on finance, budgeting and accounting of all past Nigerian presidents and the leading aspirants.

Obasanjo got us debt relief...to what avail? all the saving was looted with nothing to show in infrastructure...electricity zero, roads zero, refineries zero, rail zero...upon all he even sold over 150 govt owned companies. Peter Obi saved money for Anambra...to what avail? People who understand money, debt and budgeting know that for a country badly in need of development, you borrow as much as you can and invest in infrastructure and social programs. The more you borrow the less there is to steal, the more you save the more there is to steal. the more you borrow the more your successor have to engage their brains to generate revenue, the more you borrow the more you can invest in creating future wealth.

Ofcourse the caveat here is that so long as the borrowing is invested properly. However in the case of Nigeria, you save money you are just saving money for your succesor to loot without doing any work. If your successor is going to loot at least leave him/her with a debt burden (hopefully for visible infrastructure) so that if he want to loot he has to work to generate increased revenue, because debt is always deducted at source from FAAC.

I would want to see what he scored in economics and commerce in his waec... If you can do this, then I will start taking you serious.

I suppose these subjects are prerequisites to study accounting in any reputable institute.. correct me if I am wrong.
Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by bigcasava1(m): 11:48pm On Jan 13, 2023
YorubaNiBaba:


https://dailypost.ng/2023/01/13/budget-deficits-not-necessarily-bad-tinubu-reacts-to-2023-appropriation/
are you telling me tinubu made reasonable answer to that budget question na lie! Tinubu brain no dey connect so stop lying to us
Re: Budget Deficits Not Necessarily Bad – Tinubu Reacts To 2023 Appropriation by casualobserver: 11:50pm On Jan 13, 2023
aujile:

I agree with your points but...
No matter how good they are, if you fail to cut cost, you may still find it difficult to come out of the problem. Year in year out, our budget is always the same (a recurrent budget). More money is being spent on things that don't bring returns.

I just watched a replay of an interview on channels. Where a professor summed up one of the biggest problems with Nigeria.

He said the problem of Nigeria isn’t corruption, the problem of Nigeria is a low intellectual capacity. It is this low intellectual capacity that leads to corruption.

What he is basically saying is that Nigerians don’t think right. Our current total govt revenue is less than $30b a year, our 2023 budget is $49billion at the official rate. But in reality it is more like $24b. We need to find An extra $30-50b a year MINIMUM just to arrest the poverty rate and population growth. Apart from the wastage on subsidy, there is no govt saving Anywhere that will make any difference don’t let anybody deceive you playing to the gallery.

It is not saving that will help Nigeria it is innovative new sources of revenue. Anyone who hasn’t got the ability to raise revenues and innovative ways to finance our social and infrastructure deficits is deceiving you by telling you he will stop leakages and channel the money into development. How much leakage can you stop when your entire expenditure is $25b and you need an additional $50b a year?

Like The professor said the problem with Nigeria is intellectual deficit. If you raise an additional $50b….even $20b. Even if they steal half of it, you will feel the development in the economy.

Ps I am not advocating corruption waste or theft, I am just pointing out the real issues and the intellectual deficiencies in the wastage and savings argument.

Govt does not earn enough revenue for any plugging of leakages to make a difference.

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