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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rany4all(m): 8:03pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
bobkezel:I believe his main problem is that he thinks I want to cheat him with the estimate from the QS, since he can't really confirm the Area due to knowledge gaps in calculation. But I shouldn't pay for his ignorance na. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sonnie10: 8:07pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
bobkezel:Let’s be objective. Roofing is different, you must have overlaps, cut offs and curves. In this particular case, there was no waste. I have never seen a situation were the labor charge is multiplied less the actual quantity of tiles. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rany4all(m): 8:07pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
sonnie10:No Sir, in this case the unit of measurement is sqm, and not pcs. So you don't pay for each pc laid, but each sqm laid, that's the difference. Modified: Each sqm covered rather! 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Reeefe(m): 8:11pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
BrickDevo:is this ur project or ? |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sonnie10: 8:14pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
Rany4all:In hindsight, if he knew you would be reviewing the labor, I doubt if he would have agreed to do the job for the total amount in the first place. Most people that would charge you less for labour usually do the materials supply as well. The gain either ways. But this installer is only getting what he feels is a ball pack figure. Like you said, he might be less knowledgeable in these calculations but he knows how much work that goes into a project after initial inspection. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rany4all(m): 8:25pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
sonnie10:I have made a couple of concessions on this roofing already. The roof has 5 storm breakers, for which he also took measurements and charged me 12k for each. I paid the full 60k for the 5 storm breakers up front. He did them, only to later come up with 5k installation fee for each storm breaker. That means I have to pay additional 25k to install them. He never mentioned this initially, but I accepted it all the same. Another thing is I also paid for his hotel accommodation, which was never part of our agreement, but I still did it in good faith. Haba, nor be everything client go they swallow like that abeg. 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rany4all(m): 8:28pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
sonnie10:I did not review the labour by the way. It remains 200/sqm. Bone of contention is what that sqm entails. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Coiner: 8:32pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
michlins: Two 1,000ltr tanks. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sonnie10: 8:34pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
Rany4all: Let’s assume he decided to stop working at that initial stage when the first 498 sqm of tiles were used up, how much or at what rate would you have paid him? |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sonnie10: 8:41pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
Rany4all:But they was another negotiating after the initial tiles provided was exhausted. You said that 498 sqm. None was wasted, they all went into your project. Then additional was provided, which required more of his labor. He deserves to be compensated for this addition. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by michlins(m): 8:57pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
Coiner:use 4 by 2 channel for the pillars. Budget 450-500,000 |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rany4all(m): 8:59pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
sonnie10:You mean 443? I would have paid for 354sqm, which is what he gave as the area. The 443 included 25% waste. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rany4all(m): 9:03pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
sonnie10:Off-cuts are wastes. There is no way all of rectangular roofing tiles can be used in roofs with triangular and other shapes. You must have off-cuts at the edges or rigde cap areas 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by ollykay619(m): 9:09pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
Please which QS did you engage Rany4all: |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rany4all(m): 9:11pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
ollykay619:QSFemi |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sonnie10: 9:19pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
Rany4all:They are not necessarily waste. It is part of what must be done towards achieving the desire style or pattern. Those tiles come in a fixed shape and must be cut to size. It is beyond what the installer could control. Any installer would do the same. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rany4all(m): 9:25pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
sonnie10:Blocks also come in fixed shape and sizes, but only laid pcs are paid for as long the agreement is per block. Whatever project you are doing, as long as the payment terms is per square meter, it doesn't matter how much materials eventually does the work or how much wastes. The payment remains per square meter of area done. Same goes for tiling, POP, wall cladding, etc, etc. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 9:37pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
Rany4all: This is a classical case of under quoting. It is a form of fraud in the building trade. Going forward, always go by your QS. You should have called this out from inception and probably look somewhere else. It's deliberate. 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by visaclick: 9:38pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
Rany4all:don't be too strick like that or artisans will mess you up oh. painful part is no matter what u do damage is done and That's why on foundation level you don't pay per block. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rany4all(m): 9:47pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
visaclick:It's not about being strict Sir. It's about keeping to agreements (by both parties). Sometimes brick layers do per day payment terms or ball park figure to cover the entire job. If you had that agreement prior to onset of the job, then both parties should stick to it. By the way, I did per block in foundation stage as well, after the form work phase. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rany4all(m): 9:49pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
diordaves:Me I just think the guy doesn't really know how to calculate Areas of geometric shapes sha. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Coiner: 9:54pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
michlins: Okay. Thanks a lot bro. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sonnie10: 9:54pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
Rany4all:Did you have any roofing tiles left other than the cuts offs after the project? |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rany4all(m): 10:00pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
sonnie10:Yes Sir, 4 tiles were unused. That's why I said the job was eventually achieved with 596sqm rather than the 598sqm bought. 2 tiles cover about 1sqm |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sonnie10: 10:03pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
Rany4all:Then 596 sqm x 200 is fair. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rany4all(m): 10:13pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
sonnie10:Hahaha...fair for whom? Installation fee agreement was not based on quantity of materials needed to do the job, but area of roof to cover, so how can that be fair to both parties Sir? The onus remains on the installer to confirm the actual area of roof covered, if he doesn't feel comfortable going with the QS estimate. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbengress1: 10:16pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
Good evening guys, I got the quote below for soak away construction for a 5 bed room duplex, the location is ajah Lagos. Carpenter (labour) 55,000.00 ii Iron bender (labour) 50,000.00 iii Casting (labour) 85,000.00 iv Plastering (Labour) 40,000.00 v Labour (Sinking & sealing) 150,000.00 Materials Granite 20 tons 180,000.00 Sharp sand 1 trip 85,000.00 3'' nails 1 bag 16,000.00 10mm iron rod 50 lengths 180,000.00 Binding wire 1 roll 16,000.00 Cement 33 bag 4,400.00 145,200.00 Nylon 1 roll 5,000.00 5,000.00 Waterproof cement 1 carton 12,000.00 Plaster sand. 80,000.00 Total. 1,099,200.00 Please help me review if this quote is not too outrageous 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Iriruaga100(m): 10:30pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
gbengress1: See better office for your head. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by ehay(f): 10:57pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
[color=#006600][/color] topsy23: Thanks a million. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbengress1: 11:43pm On Jan 14, 2023 |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sonnie10: 12:06am On Jan 15, 2023 |
Rany4all:The actual job done include overlaps not just plain area |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by anyilalaz: 2:06am On Jan 15, 2023 |
Experts in the house, happy new year. Please can 6 inches blocks be use for 1 storey building and what will be the minimum dimensions and spacing for columns using 16mm rod. Thanks |
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