Jesus said: “No man has ascended into heaven.” (John 3:13) He thus showed that good people who died before him, such as Abraham, Moses, Job, and David, did not go to heaven. (Acts 2:29, 34) Instead, they had the hope of being resurrected to life on earth.—Job 14:13-15.
And it was also written Elijah and Moses appeared before Jesus talking with Him.

Mathew 17 vs 3
Suddenly, Moses and Elijah appeared and began talking with Jesus.

emerged01:
Jesus said: “No man has ascended into heaven.” (John 3:13) He thus showed that good people who died before him, such as Abraham, Moses, Job, and David, did not go to heaven. (Acts 2:29, 34) Instead, they had the hope of being resurrected to life on earth.—Job 14:13-15.
And it was also written Elijah and Moses appeared before Jesus talking with Him.

Mathew 17 vs 3
Suddenly, Moses and Elijah appeared and began talking with Jesus.

It is the truth that Abraham and other saints did not go to heaven until the death of Jesus Christ.
They were underneath the earth but not in hell.
Bible reference is this :
Luke 16:22-26 KJV
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
[26] And beside all this, between us and you there is a great GULF FIXED: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

enilove:



It is the truth that Abraham and other saints did not go to heaven until the death of Jesus Christ.
They were underneath the earth but not in hell.
Bible reference is this :
Luke 16:22-26 KJV
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
[26] And beside all this, between us and you there is a great GULF FIXED: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Thank you for your great response.
So after the death of Jesus Christ,they are now in Heaven?

They are in the Garden of Eden which is now called "Abraham Bossom".

They are at a "Transit Shed" which God will eventually turn to The New Earthly Jerusalem when Christ returns.

emerged01:
Thank you for your great response. So after the death of Jesus Christ,they are now in Heaven?

Yes , you are correct

enilove:



Yes , you are correct

Ok thanks.

In their graves awaiting a resurrection back to life on planet earth!

In Judaism heaven or hell is not the final abode of man. In short God never said anything of such. His judgement of man is "from dust you where made, to dust you shall return"....

It is stated somewhere in Ecclesiastes and Psalm that the body returns to earth so as to become dust and the spirit or God's breath returns to him.......

There is no individualism. We were all one spirit experiencing life in multiple ways....so everybody you see is you in another body..

They're in your Rooftop.

emerged01:

Thank you for your great response.
So after the death of Jesus Christ,they are now in Heaven?

The one who responded there is wrong!

There are no souls in Heaven or in Hell as we speak, this since Jesus Christ made it clear to His followers that it is only after He returns and then judges all who are in His Kingdom that people will then be ushered into either of Heaven and Hell. Until then every person who died believing in God is sleeping in for grave, awaiting the resurrection of all of Israel -- those of them who earned eternal life -- when Jesus Christ returns to rule as King.

Kobojunkiee:
The one who responded there is wrong!

There are no souls in Heaven or in Hell as we speak, this since Jesus Christ made it clear to His followers that it is only after He returns and then judges all who are in His Kingdom that people will then be ushered into either of Heaven and Hell. Until then every person who died believing in God is sleeping in for grave, awaiting the resurrection of all of Israel -- those of them who earned eternal life -- when Jesus Christ returns to rule as King.

I was trying to bring my understanding back to the topic because it has been long I raised this topic. 2017

With your post,what can you now say about ecclesiastes 12 vs 7

and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

emerged01:
I was trying to bring my understanding back to the topic because it has been long I raised this topic. 2017

With your post,what can you now say about ecclesiastes 12 vs 7

and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

The Breath of God ---- the same Breath which God put into all creatures which He created -- is the spirit that returns to God when a man dies in unbelief. God did not create men with personal spirits of their own from their birth, even Adam did not have a personal spirit of his own when God made him. For this reason, when God condemned Adam, God declared, "from dust you were made and to dust you shall return" - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22.

Now in Jesus Christ, not only are we able to obtain eternal life but we also acquire a personal spirit of our own when we do - born of spirit as a result of being born again. This means that contrary to what is written in Ecclesiastics, when a born-again dies ---- or a righteous man of Old dies --- rather than return to dust, his personal spirit, mind, body and soul instead sleeps in the grave to be raised when Jesus Christ and raises all the dead..

Kobojunkiee:
The Breath of God ---- the same Breath which God put into all creatures which He created -- is the spirit that returns to God when a man dies in unbelief. God did not create men with personal spirits of their own from their birth, even Adam did not have a personal spirit of his own when God made him. For this reason, when God condemned Adam, God declared, "from dust you were made and to dust you shall return" - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22.

Now in Jesus Christ, not only are we able to obtain eternal life but we also acquire a personal spirit of our own when we do - born of spirit as a result of being born again. This means that contrary to what is written in Ecclesiastics, when a born-again dies ---- or a righteous man of Old dies --- rather than return to dust, his personal spirit, mind, body and soul instead sleeps in the grave to be raised when Jesus Christ and raises all the dead..

Thanks for the explanation.

emerged01:
Thanks for the explanation.

Read what Jesus Christ said in John 3 vs 1 - 8 about what it means to be born-again. He explained that outside of this the only birth a man knows from his mother's womb is a physical one, confirming the fact that God did not create any man with a personal spirit from his birth. And with a perrsonal spirit which one can obtain by being born-again, no longer is man returned to dust when he dies as he becomes an eternal being by that acquisition , no longer just dust and breath

Kobojunkiee:
Read what Jesus Christ said in John 3 vs 1 - 8 about what it means to be born-again. He explained that outside of this the only birth a man knows from his mother's womb is a physical one, confirming the fact that God did not create any man with a personal spirit from his birth. And with a perrsonal spirit which one can obtain by being born-again, no longer is man returned to dust when he dies as he becomes an eternal being by that acquisition , no longer just dust and breath

Thanks. I really appreciate. Though it has been long I raised this thread,last week I came across pastor short clip confirming there is no heaven backing it up with ecclesiastes 12 vs 7.
With your explanation,I know the truth.

emerged01:

Thanks. I really appreciate. Though it has been long I raised this thread,last week I came across pastor short clip confirming there is no heaven backing it up with ecclesiastes 12 vs 7.
With your explanation,I know the truth.

Stop listening to pastors and mogs as all of those men, like Jesus Christ Himself said, do not know Him as what they spew are lies born of their private opinions and delusions. Instead, read through scripture for your own self so you can see that the answers you seek are written from long ago--- long before those men you call your mogs and pastors.

This is a very intelligent explanation

Kobojunkiee:
The Breath of God ---- the same Breath which God put into all creatures which He created -- is the spirit that returns to God when a man dies in unbelief. God did not create men with personal spirits of their own from their birth, even Adam did not have a personal spirit of his own when God made him. For this reason, when God condemned Adam, God declared, "from dust you were made and to dust you shall return" - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22.

Why spoil it with this??

Now in Jesus Christ, not only are we able to obtain eternal life but we also acquire a personal spirit of our own when we do - born of spirit as a result of being born again. This means that contrary to what is written in Ecclesiastics, when a born-again dies ---- or a righteous man of Old dies --- rather than return to dust, his personal spirit, mind, body and soul instead sleeps in the grave to be raised when Jesus Christ and raises all the dead

Why spoil a good explanation with bull shit?

sonmvayina:
This is a very intelligent explanation
Why spoil it with this??
Why spoil a good explanation with bull shit?

God tell your Jewish landlord that Jesus Christ is the one used by God to gather His Lost sheep of israel back to Himself. If he wants to challenge Jesus Christ's claim, he should himself come online and tell us what he even knows of what it is YHWH promised would happen to the Israelites.

My interest in your Jewish landlord who claims to be Jewish and not in your confusion.

Kobojunkiee:
God tell your Jewish landlord that Jesus Christ is the one used by God to gather His Lost sheep of israel back to Himself. If he wants to challenge Jesus Christ's claim, he should himself come online and tell us what he even knows of what it is YHWH promised would happen to the Israelites.

My interest in your Jewish landlord who claims to be Jewish and not in your confusion.

Lol..

You made a legit explanation, which I was surprised you could even think that good.

Why spoil it with that bull shit?

Gods breath is what is keeping us alive. When God takes it, man experiences death and we bury the body...for it to return to dust.

When did God say that was going to change when his son comes...does it make any sense?

I am only making you realise that you are following a lie...don't be deceived..

sonmvayina:
Lol..You made a legit explanation, which I was surprised you could even think that good.
Why spoil it with that bull shit? Gods breath is what is keeping us alive. When God takes it, man experiences death and we bury the body...for it to return to dust.When did God say that was going to change when his son comes...does it make any sense?I am only making you realise that you are following a lie...don't be deceived..

Again.... God tell your Jewish landlord that Jesus Christ is the one used by God to gather His Lost sheep of israel back to Himself. If he wants to challenge Jesus Christ's claim, he should himself come online and tell us what he even knows of what it is YHWH promised would happen to the Israelites. undecided

My interest is in your Jewish landlord who claims to be Jewish and not in your confusion.

It does not benefit me to talk to the servant/minion when I can talk instead converse with the master over him who feeds him many of his ridiculous delusions..

Kobojunkie:
Again.... God tell your Jewish landlord that Jesus Christ is the one used by God to gather His Lost sheep of israel back to Himself. If he wants to challenge Jesus Christ's claim, he should himself come online and tell us what he even knows of what it is YHWH promised would happen to the Israelites. undecided

My interest is in your Jewish landlord who claims to be Jewish and not in your confusion.

It does not benefit me to talk to the servant/minion when I can talk instead converse with the master over him who feeds him many of his ridiculous delusions..

When did God/ Which Jewish prophet did God tell he had a son he was sending to gather the children of Israel.....

Let us start from there and let your ignorance be laid bare..

sonmvayina:

When did God/ Which Jewish prophet did God tell he had a son he was sending to gather the children of Israel.....
Let us start from there and let your ignorance be laid bare..

Again.... God tell your Jewish landlord that Jesus Christ is the one used by God to gather His Lost sheep of israel back to Himself. If he wants to challenge Jesus Christ's claim, he should himself come online and tell us what he even knows of what it is YHWH promised would happen to the Israelites. undecided

My interest is in your Jewish landlord who claims to be Jewish and not in your confusion. undecided

It does not benefit me to talk to the servant/minion when I can talk instead converse with the master over him who feeds him many of his ridiculous delusions..

Kobojunkie:
Again.... God tell your Jewish landlord that Jesus Christ is the one used by God to gather His Lost sheep of israel back to Himself. If he wants to challenge Jesus Christ's claim, he should himself come online and tell us what he even knows of what it is YHWH promised would happen to the Israelites. undecided

My interest is in your Jewish landlord who claims to be Jewish and not in your confusion. undecided

It does not benefit me to talk to the servant/minion when I can talk instead converse with the master over him who feeds him many of his ridiculous delusions..

Can't you see you don't have any sense...

Sorry for stopping by..

Good luck

sonmvayina:


Can't you see you don't have any sense...

Sorry for stopping by..

Good luck

Again.... God tell your Jewish landlord that Jesus Christ is the one used by God to gather His Lost sheep of israel back to Himself. If he wants to challenge Jesus Christ's claim, he should himself come online and tell us what he even knows of what it is YHWH promised would happen to the Israelites.

My interest is in your Jewish landlord who claims to be Jewish and not in your confusion.

It does not benefit me to talk to the servant/minion when I can talk instead converse with the master over him who feeds him many of his ridiculous delusions..

There is no place called heaven that one should ascend to beyond this earth.

Heaven is here on this earth

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

If Abraham, Moses and David are truly in heaven. Then certainly they are here on this earth right now in the person of some Christians who will never know that they had existed as Abraham, Moses and David in the past