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Re: 144000, Who Are They? by qwertyboss(m): 2:53am On Jan 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkiee:You just lack knowledge of the scriptures. You have been twisting and bending my questions back to me since because you couldn't make any reasonable point. I rest my case because no one can argue with a decapit |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkiee: 3:38am On Jan 20, 2023 |
qwertyboss:1. You couldn't find any passage in scripture to support your ludicrous claim regarding spirits, could you? ![]() 2. The only point here is you claimed spirits neither eat nor drink. And I am waiting for you to provide us with a scriptural reference to substantiate your claim. ![]() 3. Meaning you lied to us that spirits do not eat or drink and you think you can wiggle your way out of admitting to this lie of yours so easily? ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 6:41pm On Jan 20, 2023 |
Sand2022:1. The great multitude along with that is written of the actual identity of the 144,000 who were marked and sent out almost 2000 years ago, will be revealed when Jesus Christ returns to rule over the world with them from Jerusalem where they will all be gathered back to at the time of the resurrection. ![]() 2. Again, the 144,000 has nothing to do with any religious sect out there as they are instead of the 12 tribes of Israel as explained by John in his revelation which corresponds with that explained by the prophets —Isaiah 66 vs 18 - 23. Yes, the 144,000 were sealed meaning they will all make it into Heaven at the end, but the multitudes are not necessarily all sealed. Instead, they are all born-again, but not all sealed, the seal being the Spirit of Truth which was promised by Jesus Christ Himself only to those who truly belong to Him. ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by MightySparrow: 7:19pm On Jan 20, 2023 |
qwertyboss: They are talking of christian heaven, Muslim dey put mouth. |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by qwertyboss(m): 7:32pm On Jan 20, 2023 |
MightySparrow:Wahala ![]() So the heavens many? Am not arguing with anyone... You have your religion and I have my religion... All the best, I wish you well in yours hope you are wishing me well too ![]() Na me and you here I dey talk o ![]() No be one mumu somewhere wey no understand religion and do anyhow there they claim religion... I live in peace |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 7:37pm On Jan 20, 2023 |
qwertyboss:You didn't even realize by now that Allah is not the God of Israel and Mohammed's heaven is not the same Kingdom of God that Jesus Christ offered only to His followers, the Lost sheep of Israel? ![]() No wonder you were spewing nonsense about spirits not being able to eat or drink. ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by qwertyboss(m): 7:39pm On Jan 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:I thought you are sane ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 7:54pm On Jan 20, 2023 |
qwertyboss:I also thought you were sane! ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Aemmyjah(m): 8:18pm On Jan 20, 2023 |
The 144,000 will go to heaven They are not literal Jews and Jehovah had already rejected the Jews who rejected the Jesus and killed him but theses ones will form a 'spiritual Israel'. They will go to heaven Those who go to heaven have a responsibility- ruling with Jesus Christ as kings and priests over the Earth They'll form a kind of cabinet. Every cabinet has a leader and the leader here is Jesus Every cabinet has a source of authority, here, it is Jehovah God Every cabinet has a seat of power,here,it is in heaven Every cabinet members are few in relation to the subjects. Here, we have 144000 Spirit anointed christians picked from mankind and ruling over a great crowd, an unspecified number of people who have the hope of living Forever in a Paradise earth |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 8:45pm On Jan 20, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:1. This is a lie as it is clearly stated by John that his 144,000 are all Israelites. ![]() 2. Again, this is wrong! Instead, the 144,000 along with the multitudes in white robes are those who will make up God's Nation of Priests and Kings over the earth - Exodus 19 vs 6. The promise was made by God when He conscripted Israel — God's plan for Israel has never been dependent on Israel obeying Him or not and so your assertion that the Jews did not believe in Jesus Christ means absolutely nothing. ![]() 3. Unfortunately for you, the 144,000 were selected and sealed by God and sent out from His Jerusalem almost 2000 years ago, so they are all of them in their graves at this point in time — they were the first fruits of the Lamb, recall the parable of the gardener and the olive tree. There were no such cabinets, leaders, and leaders as that idea is instead born of your particular cult. All that is instead bullsheet from your religion and not of scripture. ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Aemmyjah(m): 10:15pm On Jan 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Ok As if the revelation was not series of events John received that will happen in 'the Lord's day' Na you go de shout say heaven na your home You are free to believe anything you want to believe |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 10:27pm On Jan 20, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:1. John instead wrote of things that had happened, where to take place during his time, and also others to come in the future. ![]() 2. I don't need to shout it since Jesus Christ is the one who taught His followers that He would come back to take them to His father's place where He made a home for them. I understand you don't believe in Jesus Christ nor take Him at His Word but try to pay attention at least. ![]() 3. Scripture is at least the standard for all who claim to be of God to cling to and clearly Scripture is against your claims. I simply pointed out that fact. ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Aemmyjah(m): 1:35am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: 1. Mention one thing John wrote in his book of revelation that had happened and what was to take place during his time. I am waiting 2. See how you are contradicting yourself. You said they were to be Jews. Now you are saying another thing entirely. Confused atheist 3. What did John wrote in his book that were to take place during his time? |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by tctrills: 1:54am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Sand2022:First we have what the bible tells us about these 144,000 men and then we have the additions of various organizations. So from reading the bible (Not any churches opinion) who are these men? First, we learn that they are all men. Then we learn that they are virgins. We also learn that they are Jesus Christ escort to follow him wherever he goes. Then in Revelations 7.9 we learn that they are not the only ones that would dwell in the presence of God. We are not taught that they are the only men to dwell in heaven. |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 2:32am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:1. The churches mentioned by John as well as some of the 144,000 who were to eventually be sent out from Jerusalem by God already existed at the time of the writing. ![]() 2. Am I to take it that you don't understand the correct application of the term contradicting? I didn't say anything different from what I stated before so I am not certain why you feel throwing around the term changes the facts as taught in Scripture. And yes, all those who are in the Kingdom of God — all born-agains are also all born of the blood of Jacob/Israel. Jesus Christ told you that over 2000 years ago. ![]() 3. John supposedly wrote his book around the same time when God's Judgement began in the land of Judah, almost 2000 years ago, when God cursed and scattered the remnants of Israel, the Jews all over the world like the others before them. ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Aemmyjah(m): 6:00am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Scriptures pls about your claims of the 144000. Besides, Jerusalem was already destroyed. It was no longer God's city. This one does not know anything 2. Are they literal jews or not? Was Cornelius, Timothy, israelites. The gentiles that Paul preached to and became disciples were also born again and they were not jews. Jesus'himself foretold these 3. It was written and circa 98-100CE in the island of Patmos and that is 28 years after Jerusalem had been destroyed. He was writing to the CHRISTIANS and his visions affect us especially as we are in the Lord's day and seeing much of the fulfillment of the Revelation. U wey de read back of Bible |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:07am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Sand2022:Number already complete, newly chosen ones now serves as replacements for those who lost the privilege! |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 6:13am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:1. In Revelations 7 vs 1 - 6, John wrote of God staying the turbulence to be visited on the earth and sea until after the 144,000 had been sealed. That destruction of Jerusalem came after, not before, they were sealed. ![]() 2. There is only one way for a person to be an Israelite and that is by having the blood of Jacob coursing through his or her veins. Those of you who claim some spiritual jew are simply filled with spiritual bullsheet you need to discard before you claim you can be of Jesus Christ. As for those you mentioned, the stories clearly tell you Cornelius, and Timothy were Israelites. The gentiles that Paul preached to were certainly not dogs — nonIsraelites — this since Jesus Christ warned His followers never to give that which is Holy — God's offer of Salvation to the nonIsraelites — dogs— in Matthew 7 vs 6, and He is Matthew 10 vs 1 - 5 - 8 & Matthew 15 vs 22 - 24 reaffirmed that the Gospel belonged only to the house of Jacob — those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins. ![]() 3. Wow... I hope you don't actually think the destruction, cursing, and scattering of people of Judah, and Jerusalem happened overnight. Again, John wrote of things that had taken place, things that were taking place even at the time, and things to come. ![]() By the way, the tribulation that took place at the time continued on to the next century or so. ![]() 4. What is "Lord's day"? Is that some sort of cult thing that only a certain group knows about? ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Aemmyjah(m): 6:28am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: 1. You mentioned turbulence to come upon the EARTH and the Sea but you limited that revelation only to an event that had already happened over 20 years ago? My dear, you don't know anything. The first group of the 144000 was the 120 that received the holy spirit in the day of pentecost... Besides, Jesus Christ did not begin ruling after he ascended to heaven as he stood by his father waiting for the day his enemies will be destroyed. John received other revelation talking about Jesus rulership that will occur in the future. You better go back to bed 2. Those non jewish Christians that received the holy spirit and born again in the first century with the Hope of going to heaven were just deceiving themselves right? What did Jesus Christ say about the non Jews who will put faith in him and the fleshly Jews who will reject him. You DELIBERATELY ignore Matthew 8:10-12. Go and read it 3. Go and study English cos I do read your comments and sometimes they are very smart and others are just stupid. Day does not always mean a 24 hour period. The Lord's day describe events that happens during Jesus Christ reign. For example, I may say that 'Life was better during Lord Lugards day',. 'Women wore no undies during shakespeare day', 'During, my grandfather day, life used to be peaceful', 'Tomorrow starts the day of harvest' So dear, day could not always mean a 24 hour period but an extensive period of time which could take days, weeks, years, centuries, etc... That is one problem that creationist and evolutionist have when they say that God created the universe in 6, 24 hours day. |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 6:45am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:1. I am afraid you are mistaken. The turbulence that was meant to take place after the 144,000 were sealed by God went on for a period of over 1 century if my history serves me right. So, I am not the one who limited anything here, instead, that would be you by your assumptions. ![]() 2. There is no such thing as the first group of the 144,000. God said He would mark His special people and send them out from Jerusalem into the world. That is what God said He would do in Isaiah 66 vs 18 - 23 and that is what happened. ![]() 3. I am not sure what you are talking about at all. Jesus Christ is meant to rule over the world beginning at the time of the resurrection when He will return and raise the 144,000 including the multitudes who will all then gather back to Jerusalem where His government is established. ![]() 4. Let me help you with understanding. It is impossible for anyone who does not have the blood of Jacob coursing through his/her veins to become born-again. That is literally what Jesus Christ explained to you right there in His Gospel. If you are not an Israelite, you cannot become born-again — you can fool yourself that you are by mouth but you will never enter into the Kingdom of God nor receive His Holy Spirit. That is the Gospel Truth of Jesus Christ right there. Of course, if you think you know better than Jesus Christ —, many of you assume you do anyways — go ahead and waste your life pretending that you are of Him when you aren't. ![]() 5. All these are ramblings to me at this point. Again, no non-Israelite can enter the Kingdom of God, unless, of course, you believe instead that Jesus Christ is a liar. 6. One of the very first things to happen at the beginning of the 1000 years — a 1000 years is like 1 day in the presence of God — when Jesus Christ is to reign over the world is that all the dead Israelites — the righteous dead, including the first Christians and subsequent — will be raised from the dead and gathered back to Jerusalem. We are talking of the resurrection of the 144,000 along with the multitudes described in Revelations 7. Are you seriously wanting me to believe that you are already living in that reality today? ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by MightySparrow: 7:29am On Jan 21, 2023 |
qwertyboss: Heaven where there's sex orgies and intoxication and the one where dwells righteousness. A heaven where they go with Viagra ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by tctrills: 8:09am On Jan 21, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Is that also in the bible or another guesswork from the men in America? 1 Like |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Aemmyjah(m): 9:17am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: 1. Jerusalem was destroyed in the year 70CE as Jesus foretold as he was entering Jerusalem. It was destroyed by the Romans. The turbulence you read in the Bible was to affect the whole Earth of mankind and it's 'sea'- turbulent mankind. Is that what happened in 70CE... You don't even know what you are saying. Why would God allow Jerusalem to be destroyed if all the Jews were to become his inheritance in the kingdom and why preach to the gentiles as well? You need sleep syrup 2. Who were the first of such people? Who were the first to begin to preach after Jesus Christ commission them as they awaited the promised spirit? You need sleeping tablet 3. This one does not know what she is saying. Does it even make Sense to you. Jesus christ is to rule as King from heaven with the 144,000 where the same Revelation calls the New Jerusalem. That is God's kingdom. You can't even back up your assumptions with scriptures 4. Is that what Jesus Christ preached? Go and tell all these churches this understanding of yours. Did Cornelius have jewish blood in him? You need sleeping syrup tablet 5. My Bible! mentions the category of people who will not enter God's kingdom and it's at 1Corinthians 6:9-10. Remember that Paul was writing to the anointed christian in corinth and all were non israelites. Show us where Bible says that non Jews will not inherit God's kingdom. Why will God even give such prospect to people who rejected his son and killed him 6. The 144000 will be raised to life in heaven. Paul said that the calling of the ones will begin during his presence and that is what happened in 1914 as Bible prophecy and Chronology points to that year as the year when Jesus Christ began to rule. As to whether the rest of the dead will be raised at the start of the 1000 years or later, the Bible does not say but that is the only sensible thing you have written so far that is true, the dead- both the good and bad will be resurrected and given instructions on how to live and as they abide by these, they will come to gain perfection. Any who rebel will be destroyed. After the 1000 years, Satan will be released and allowed to mislead mankind. Note that all are perfect, so anyone who follow him is not doing it out of weakness but deliberately like Adam and Eve and they will perish forever in what the Bible symbolically calls the lake of fire. Again, Jesus Christ and the 144000 are to rule over the Earth for a thousand years. Being of jewish blood is no requirement. It is a requirement according to kobojunkie. Junkie is a bad word in english language for trash. |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Aemmyjah(m): 9:21am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: I just saw what you wrote about the Great tribulation Jesus christ describe it that it will affect THE ENTIRE INHABITED EARTH and some of the signs are global wars, pestilences (or epidemics), food shortage, earthquakes,etc. These things did not happen in the first century Young woman, go sleep For me I'm going preaching. My best activity. Hopefully, I take up the full-time ministry Come join me You'll love it |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Maynman: 9:46am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
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Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Aemmyjah(m): 11:34am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Maynman: There was a war that happened in 1914. Can you compare that war with any other wars in the past? See person wey wan reference Bible What about the pestilences (pandemics), can you recall the ones that happened in 1918? The Bible did not mention earthquake. It says GREAT EARTHQUAKES Have you not used your eyes to see that from the image you shared that there was no famine? Is 300CE part of the first century. The Bible says that there will be global food shortage, not necessarily famine |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Maynman: 11:38am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:What’s the definition of famine?
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Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Aemmyjah(m): 11:41am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Maynman: Matthew 24:7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be FOOD SHORTAGES and earthquakes in one place after another. |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Maynman: 11:43am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: What’s is the definition of FAMINE?
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Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Aemmyjah(m): 12:25pm On Jan 21, 2023 |
Maynman: From the image, you are free to believe what you WANT to believe for your blind understanding |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Maynman: 12:42pm On Jan 21, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:Why should I “believe”?, I’m not a indoctrinated sheep like you. You lack knowledge of your religion and gods, you base your life on forged books with unknown authors, you this ignorant yahweh worshipper and hardened rape apologist.
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Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Lukuluku69(m): 12:49pm On Jan 21, 2023 |
Sand2022: Op, since you are on a Research, explore all Literatures . That figure occurs in the Hindu Scripture, the Muslims Scripture also. If you read the Gospel of Barnabas, you will find it therein. It refers to the number of Prophets that God have sent to Mankind to correct and call Man back from his erring ways. Like I said, explore all Scriptures. Make the internet your friend . |
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