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Re: 144000, Who Are They? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:03pm On Jan 21, 2023 |
Do you believe in the Bible at all? ![]() tctrills: |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 4:18pm On Jan 21, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:1. Again, the turbulence described in Revelations 7 vs 1 - 6 to affect the earth and sea was to be held off until after the 144,000 had been marked by God. That turbulence then occurred over a period of many decades resulting in the complete destruction of Jerusalem, cursing and scattering of the Jews from their land. These things did not happen in a blink of an eye or overnight. ![]() 2. YES! ![]() 3. Wrong! The first fruits of the Lamb, and of God are the 144,000, God's Special People, — this is written right there in scripture for all to see too — and they were, as described in Isaiah 66 vs 18 - 23 sent out by God from His Jerusalem into the world. ![]() 4. Wrong! John never wrote of the 144,000 in Heaven. He instead wrote of them serving God from Mount Zion and last I checked it is a mountain here on earth. ![]() 5. Yes, this is the Gospel of Jesus Christ that all like to turn a blind eye to in order that you can instead pursue the doctrines and traditions of men instead. And yes, Cornelius was an Israelite. https://www.nairaland.com/7110397/gospel-minddump/2#119671084 6. Suddenly, Paul has become a god again. It amuses me how you lot like to when what Jesus Christ says, does not agree with you, invoke Paul as though a god of choice. If Paul, according to you, taught the Gospel to were referred to by Jesus Christ as dogs, are you saying then that Paul was against Jesus Christ? Are you suggesting here that Paul set himself up as a messiah to people who were described as dogs by Jesus Christ? You have to use your head in these things Paul's letters were addressed primarily to his Jewish brethren, as opposed to all israelites — yes, those who had for centuries been cursed and scattered among the gentiles by God, hence the reason they too were referred to by him as gentiles. ![]() Jesus Christ told you this when He warned His followers, during the sermon on the mount not to give that which is Holy to the dogs - Matthew 7 vs 6. If a dog can not have that which is Holy, how then can a dog have the Kingdom of God which is Holy? ![]() 7. This here amounts to gobbledegook! ![]() 8. Again, you are wrong! It is explained by John in his book of dream visions that all of Israel will be raised at the beginning of the 1000-year reign of Jesus Christ. According to Jesus Christ first comes resurrection and then comes judgment — pretty much after His 1000-year reign — John 5 vs 19 - 29. And His reign will be over all the earth along with His Kingdom of Priests - Revelations 5 - 14 & Exodus 19 vs 6 - meaning all of righteous Israel — all the righteous dead of the Old Covenant — will be resurrected at the start of His Millenial reign. God's Kingdom of Priests, as explained in scripture does not refer only to the 144,0000 but instead to the combined numbers of the 144,000 and the multitudes of Israel that were redeemed by Jesus Christ from every tribe, every tongue, and every nation. They all makeup God's Nation of Priests, and they are, all of them born of the blood of Jacob - Exodus 19 vs 6, God's only inheritance in the land of men - Deuteronomy 32 vs 9 ![]() Please start reading the book intentionally in order that you learn from what is written and not in order that you inject your preconfigured delusions into it. ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 4:23pm On Jan 21, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:I am afraid all that is born of your assumptions of that which is in fact written. ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by tctrills: 5:46pm On Jan 21, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Yes I do and I stay away from guesswork |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:37pm On Jan 21, 2023 |
tctrills:Well i do and i stay away from people who can't agree on terms! |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 6:53pm On Jan 21, 2023 |
Lukuluku69:1. We already understand that what is written in the Gospel of Barnabas contradicts not just the Old Prophets but also Jesus Christ, making the claim fraud as far as the God of Israel is concerned. ![]() ![]() 2. Exploring religions out there would not change what was declared in the Revelation of John regarding the 144,000 that he wrote of. ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by tctrills: 6:57pm On Jan 21, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Then you have to stay away from Nairaland or start your own platform for people like you. Or you could do like the Muslims do on Nairaland, create a private thread for your people. 3 Likes |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:39pm On Jan 21, 2023 |
INTOLERANCE! I never quote you here so it's you that should mind your own business if you don't want to hear the belief of others. I addressed OP not you! ![]() tctrills: |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by tctrills: 8:48pm On Jan 21, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:I actually enjoy hearing others beliefs. The OP may not be from your church oh. I thought you said you talk only to church members. 1 Like |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:30am On Jan 22, 2023 |
The highlighted is not true we talk to different kinds of people but once we discover that our discussions with a particular person always lead to endless and fruitless arguments we cut such a person off {1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9} our purpose of chatting with others is to come to agreement not just to argue for fun! 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3 Heart to heart talks on sacred matters should build up a body (congregation) of worshipers not always leading to disarray where each person just form his or her own personal opinion without coming to an agreement! 1Corinthians 14:33 tctrills: |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by tctrills: 7:56am On Jan 22, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Loooool. I understand you but then you need to learn that this is a public forum ok. Except the Muslim section the rest of Nairaland is open to everyone This is not a place for private discussion. |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:55am On Jan 22, 2023 |
True! So if you and i aren't meant to agree on terms and conditions of worship simply because the Bible never specifically say certain things then there's no need arguing leave those who like to agree on terms and conditions of worship alone. Christianity isn't about perfection but reasons why we must agree on the same line of thought therefore if you want to bank on seeing everything written in white and black then stay on your lane don't disturb others who believe in oneness in thought! 1Corinthians 1:10 tctrills: |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by tctrills: 11:58am On Jan 22, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:I am not against imperfect people, I am only against dubious people teaching the doctrines of men and claiming it is the word of God. Again, there are no lanes in Nairaland, it's food for all. 2 Likes |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:27pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
tctrills: Can you present a better performing group having the doctrine of God? Because Jesus didn't tell us that the truth will make each person form his or her own opinion on doctrines rather people worshiping God will agree on terms and conditions of worship {John 17:22} and there will be love among them {John 13:34-35} they will never support using weapons to settle issues {Matthew 26:52} they will be known globally for the works Jesus commissioned {Matthew 7:16-18} while others will be confused about it they won't agree on how to carry out the work {Luke 11:23} so throughout the earth everyone will see that this is the one and only group of people practicing what Jesus taught! Matthew 5:14-16 Do you know any group of people practicing what you know as doctrine of God and please give scriptural backing not just quoting scriptures without practical applications! ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by tctrills: 1:11pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:I can present 100 better performing groups. A good church is a church that is led by the revelations of God and not guesswork. Jesus did not tell us that some guys in America are able to form a group and create their own teachings. The same way your American guys created your church is the same way thousands of churches are created. So stop the crap about better performing church. We all know 5he churches making a difference out there and making the world a better place for all. 2 Likes |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:31pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
Name one NOT two and let's see the practical application of what the Bible say in their midst nah I've given you a group JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and all what Jesus said we should watch out for in their gathering! ![]() tctrills: |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Lukuluku69(m): 2:00pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: You this old hag, go Siddon for somewhere joor . I gat no time to waste. |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by tctrills: 2:03pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:This is where you are wrong again. You can't choose your owe terms or beliefs to judge other churches. We do not create your own definition of what Jesus Christ said we should watch out for. So if you are ready, I would give you a list of churches that adhere more to the bible than you guys Many of you churches are basically the same, you pull out 2 or 3 things from the bible, give it your interpretation and claim that's all God wants from us. |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Nobody: 2:11pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
qwertyboss: We are having a serious discussion here. Dry jokes like your post are not needed. |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 2:47pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
Lukuluku69:Look, your Allah is not the same God as the God of Israel who said His only inheritance in the land of men is His Israel. Trying desperately to make Mohammed's claim of relevance to scripture is setting him up as a fraud who desperately wanted to associate with Israel at all cost. Until, you see that for yourself, you will continue to make a joke of Islam by these attempts to justify it using scripture that instead belongs only to those who are of the House of Jacob. ![]() Feel free to continue to call me names, that will not change the truth which is when put against scripture, Islam becomes nothing but a fraud sold using the God of Israel by the man named Mohammed. ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Lukuluku69(m): 3:14pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Ok Old Hag. You can get off my mention now. |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 3:18pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
Lukuluku69:Again...Look, your Allah is not the same God as the God of Israel who said His only inheritance in the land of men is His Israel. Trying desperately to make Mohammed's claim of relevance to scripture is setting him up as a fraud who desperately wanted to associate with Israel at all cost. Until, you see that for yourself, you will continue to make a joke of Islam by these attempts to justify it using scripture that instead belongs only to those who are of the House of Jacob. ![]() Feel free to continue to call me names, that will not change the truth which is when put against scripture, Islam becomes nothing but a fraud sold using the God of Israel by the man named Mohammed. ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Lukuluku69(m): 3:27pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Old Hag get off my mention abeg and if you must mention me again, please attach your husband's express permission for you to engage or chat me for I am a man. When you are done crying, please note that Muhammad's Ancestor in Ishamael worshipped the God of his Father Abraham and that God promised to bless Ishmael. If you like believe it, if you like be roaming nairaland like an Abiku and be posting nonsense, e no concern me. |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by achorladey: 3:41pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
tctrills: What do you expect from that particular religious organization and their teachings and doctrines ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() See below........ The name Jehovah’s witnesses applies specifically to God's anointed ones aka 144,000 who have been taken out of the world and made witnesses for Jehovah, and these alone bear the new name..... Watchtower August 15,1934 pg 249 Ask them, is Abel who they always call the first Jehovah’s witness really a Jehovah’s witness based on the above from their publication above? You see them running helter-skelter to cover the lies and manipulation of the bible to suit and please their GODS who are their taskmasters ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by achorladey: 3:47pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
tctrills: Considering how that particular called MaxInDHouse always boast of his intelligence here and there ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 3:47pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
Lukuluku69:1. Pretending you can change the facts of the God of Israel by Insulting me only reveals you. ![]() 2. Mohammed's claimed ancestor may be Ishmael but the fact is that God of Israel spoken of in scripture is God of Israel, not God of Ishmael, and His line of interest— the line He groomed for Himself was the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel. ![]() God of Israel blessed many including Esau —Cyrus the great was blessed by Him as well — but that didn't change the fact that His focus was not on Edom, but on Jacob. So claiming that because God of Israel blessed Ishamael means Mohammed is chosen by God of Israel is of fraud. ![]() 3. So, again, you are best maintaining the distance that is the reality between scripture —and the God of Israel— and Mohammed, otherwise you keep portraying him a fraud by your many attempts to link him to it all. ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Lukuluku69(m): 3:59pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Old Hag, keep your Tribal "God of Israel" I gat no need for one. The God I serve is the God of ALL. Now get thee behind me! |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 4:30pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
Lukuluku69:1. He is not my tribal God. Instead, He made Himself known to all 1000s of years ago as God only of a select people — the people of Israel — making it abundantly clear to all that others may have their own gods, but He is God of Israel, to them, there is no other God. ![]() 2. Good for you! ![]() 3. Stop with the desperate attempts to insert Mohammed into the story that is the God of Israel. ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Lukuluku69(m): 4:33pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Dunce Momma, Yahweh is a Tribal "God". Or should I say, the Scribes made Yahweh a Tribal "God"? Whichever the case, The God of Israel is and sounds Tribal. Now, get thee behind me! |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by Kobojunkie: 4:50pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
Lukuluku69:1. Duh! He is the God of Israel after all. ![]() 2. If you have known this all along, why then have you you desperately trying to insert Mohammed and Islam into His story all this time ? ![]() Even Jesus Christ said He was sent only to the Lost sheep of Israel so pretending that the judgment which applies only to those who are of His Kingdom of God applies to everyone else is ignoring the fact that He too is also only of Israel. ![]() |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:59pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
It's liars that always claim their witnesses are far away! Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION is practicing what Jesus taught that's why i joined them and i've given you practical applications of what Jesus laid down so that everyone can IDENTIFY his group even when thousands of different sects are claiming they believe in Jesus. So present just one and back it up with Bible references let everyone learn from what Jesus established before people in Antioch began calling them "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26 We all know that the man called Jesus Christ is just one person and everything he said about how to recognize his disciples are found written in the Bible. So stop beating around the bush Mr and don't waste my precious time! ![]() tctrills: |
Re: 144000, Who Are They? by tctrills: 5:48pm On Jan 22, 2023 |
[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=120290517]It's liars that always claim their witnesses are far away! Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION is practicing what Jesus taught that's why i joined them and i've given you practical applications of what Jesus laid down so that everyone can IDENTIFY his group even when thousands of different sects are claiming they believe in Jesus. So present just one and back it up with Bible references let everyone learn from what Jesus established before people in Antioch began calling them "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26 We all know that the man called Jesus Christ is just one person and everything he said about how to recognize his disciples are found written in the Bible. So stop beating around the bush Mr and don't waste my precious time! ![]() [/quote I understand you claim to practice what Christ taught but the more I discuss with you, the more I see that you are so far from the teachings of Christ. But it's ok, not everyone must follow Christ. 2 Likes |
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