flourishing247:


If the room was his father's room then he has more right to it than you. According to tradition, you were not supposed to have moved into the space since your brother has a son. You are meant to be a custodian of your brother's stuff until his sons become of age.
If you take this issue to umu nna, the honest ones will tell you the truth. Let this matter rest to avoid deeper family issues. I know you feel disrespected but let it go.

Thank you.
You have said it all.

Listen to this man.

Candidlady:

The future is

Welcome back from the trip. How is Alhaji? party is not a good thing o.

Honestly, he's not dragging anything with you but you're the one dragging something with him.

By right of first born son, his dad owns the house and passed down the ownership to him(through inheritance).


Work hard and leave that house and compound for him

Anal55:

Hmm the fact is you missed the part where I said he didn't marry the woman also he didn't build the house does it mean I have to forfeit the apartment

whether or not he married the mother means next to nothing oh. You dey drag wetin no belong to you.

His father owns the property and extended ownership to him which he will pass unto his own son.

ExudeLoveToAll:



Supreme Court has quashed this.

Every child has same statutory right to inherit his father's properties whether male or female.

I will only advocate for peaceful resolution of the matter.

Oya make supreme court squash the tradition of Igbo people. Make una give advice on what you know about

Justbehave:
And you think court doesn't respect culture and traditions? Do you also know that we still have customary courts in Nigeria?If he decides to go to court,fine but mind you that our judicial system is not steady and might swindle to any angle. Best for him is to calm down and live with him peacefully until he is able to get his own Ala ubi and build his house.

what is funny is that if the op father failed in sharing his lands, it's this same small boy that will give op his "ala obi" with assistance from umunna.

The Igbo tradition is funny. Best way to look at it is the British royalty. The first child of Prince William has more stake on the throne more than prince Harry irrespective of the fact that Harry is the uncle.

Ur brother is late and he has children.
The normal thing to do since there is no will is to share ur father's property into 2 that is, between u and ur late brother. As ur brother being the first son, his family will first take.
Assuming ur brother is alife 2day, that is the same way it should be done.

Anal55:
Nairalanders how do you tackle this kind of problem especially when it has to do with family and property
My nephew is dragging right with me over our family house his father was my elder brother and the first born in our family we where five in number 2 boys and 3 girls although my female siblings are married .
My parents left us with a family house as the where now late so my brother lives in the landlord palour which was a self con apartment when he was alive although his relationship with his wife didn't work out as the woman wasn't married by my brother but she had kids for him now after my brother death I moved to the apartment as and started living there although I did a little renovation on it and others .
Until I have to travel all in the hustle although I was still in Nigeria but I moved to the northern part of Nigeria only to receive calls from my neighbors that my nephew has break into my apartment and do some retouching in my own house
Note there was never a time I ask them to live the compound or anything infact this is a family house as everyone has a room why must it be that my own.
I need advice as am very very pissed off
I brought this here for wiser contribution
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The thing is that this boy am talking about went to HK only to pick money from it as I heard only to come to break into my own apartment if he thinks he needs a room there are many there it's is literally insulting

Make I judge this mata for the sake of peace ..

You are wrong...

You for no take him Papa room..

That's not the spirit of greatness...

Even if Dem give you, u go reject am, stand on ya ground say it belongs to ya late bro kids...

U are too little to be called a man.


Return their inheritance now, now..

Anal55:
Nairalanders how do you tackle this kind of problem especially when it has to do with family and property
My nephew is dragging right with me over our family house his father was my elder brother and the first born in our family we where five in number 2 boys and 3 girls although my female siblings are married .
My parents left us with a family house as the where now late so my brother lives in the landlord palour which was a self con apartment when he was alive although his relationship with his wife didn't work out as the woman wasn't married by my brother but she had kids for him now after my brother death I moved to the apartment as and started living there although I did a little renovation on it and others .
Until I have to travel all in the hustle although I was still in Nigeria but I moved to the northern part of Nigeria only to receive calls from my neighbors that my nephew has break into my apartment and do some retouching in my own house
Note there was never a time I ask them to live the compound or anything infact this is a family house as everyone has a room why must it be that my own.
I need advice as am very very pissed off
I brought this here for wiser contribution
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The thing is that this boy am talking about went to HK only to pick money from it as I heard only to come to break into my own apartment if he thinks he needs a room there are many there it's is literally insulting

Let's assume that room is kingship stool.. If his dad died he will inherit the stool.

Secondly ur nephew is still ur fathers child.

The house belongs to the entire family (siblings). Sell if off and give everyone their share, the boy inclusive (your late elder brother’s share).

Landed properties usually turn siblings to enemies, it’s always best to create a will stating what belongs to who.

Justbehave:
That he didn't marry the woman does not make him stop being your late brothers surviving son. He doesn't need to build the house since by tradition it is his father's inheritance from your late dad as his first son and as for forfeiting the house,this can only be possible when you have your own house meaning he can't eject you because you are still a son of your father.The Isi obi in Igbo culture belongs to the first son once their father is late.

traditionally, if the boy's mother was not culturally or legally married, then he has no claim as the first son, rather he is just a member of the family.

gaby:
This is a very dicey and sensitive one to advise you on based on the fact that as much as you should have more right to him as regards your late father's property, however, as Africans who practice a patrilineal system of inheritance, that might be where his entitled guts are emanating from.

You can put him in his place though but if you can avoid any confrontations with him and good on your own, it'd be best to just ignore his kindergarten sense of entitlement and keep doing you.

Do well to make him understand you have a stake in the house as much as his dad did and you won't tolerate his arrogance and disrespect.

Imagine that a king died. But instead of crowning the king's son, they crowned the king's brother. That apartment is not yours in any way. Why not try and build your own house like your farther did? Leave that innocent nephew alone. He has lost a lot already.

First you are the person in the wrong.
Did you inform him or your Umunna before breaking into his late fathers room and disrespecting the deadman?

You are Igbo, you know very well the first son will take the obi, then everyother thing will be shared by the youngest male, and others will choose before him. Aslong as this is your fathers abode, whether in city or village, it does not belong to you in its entireity. You are only a custodian. It belongs to the first son and his offsprings.

Your right is that you cannot be prevented from entering the obi at anytime but your children cannot inherit it. You must establish your own Obi, which your first son will inherit.

So do not disgrace yourself. You are not only
the aggressor, you are totally misinformed, and muschivous by claiming an acknowledged son is a bastard, their are no bastards in Igbo culture. If the woman gavr birth to the son while married to another man, then you may have a case that he is not your brothers son. Unless your father has a will, that is the custom for inheritance.

Anal55:

Hmm the thing is that he break into my apartment renovate the ceiling and change the painting does it mean I will have to forfeit that very self con of course I never denied him access to some rooms there

He came there because that was exactly where his father stayed.
You can’t chase him out of it.
In my place,if the first son dies,his son takes over and not you .
It’s patrilineal.
Know this and know peace.
Nobody fit pursue anybody for that building.
You should not have invaded the man’s apartment.
What is dead May never die.
We die in Africa but our name vibrates for hundreds of years as long as we have a son.

gaby:


He feels entitled and sees you as taking over the part that belonged to his father and by extension his inheritance.

Just be wise and smart about it because such an entitled boy can do and undo to have his way.

He's got people behind, beating the drums and clapping for the dance he has embarked upon.

The young man is right according to native laws.

Justbehave:
. The house belongs to your late father and his father being the first son of your father automatically owns the house and we call it isi obi in Igbo. . In such instance,his late father inherited the house from your dad as his first son by tradition therefore the house belongs to the first son of your late brother. I think the elders in your village should explain this things to you.But assuming the said house is located in the city then he has no right whatsoever to inherit it. It will all belong to the entire family.

U have said it all(OPARA NWE OBI NNA YA) BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT U WILL BE CHASED OUT BEFORE U BUILD YOUR OWN,THIS IS WERE U INVOLVE YOUR KINSMEN
IN FAIRNESS U WILL RETAIN YOUR ROOM TILL U ARE ABLE TO BUILD YOUR OWN HOUSE

MAY GOD PROVIDE FOR YOU

PerfectMan24:
Ur brother is late and he has children.
The normal thing to do since there is no will is to share ur father's property into 2 that is, between u and ur late brother. As ur brother being the first son, his family will first take.
Assuming ur brother is alife 2day, that is the same way it should be done.

this not Igbo culture, we do not share things into two.
The legacy of a man will be carried on by the first son in form of his Obi, which must remain undivided so that all members of the family will always have a reference home. After this, if there are enough lands, each male will get a place to establish his abode or Obi, and then whatever remains will be shared equally among the males. Unmarried females will also get land, especially if she has a son that takes her own fathers name. If all a man has is his Obi, his first son inherits it, the others get nothing but have rights to live in the obi till they are ready and able to acquire their own abode.

We are culturally attached to the land of our origin like the jews feel attachment to isreal, thats why we always return home to our fathers land. If we share Obi, it will be liquidated by the uninterested parties and end our identity and affiliation with the land. So this is the reason for not sharing the Obi, and it is well tested with time.

My father was naive enough to knock down his fathers mud house in the 50s and rebuilt it with his own money, when he is the second son. Last last the reality was that he built a house for his brother, while his allocated abode was empty. Thank God for my mum, who then built his obi.

AndroidAI:


Imagine that a king died. But instead of crowning the king's son, they crowned the king's brother. That apartment is not yours in any way. Why not try and build your own house like your farther did? Leave that innocent nephew alone. He has lost a lot already.

The boy is so very angry at life and everyone.

He'd go ballistic on anyone trying to stop him..

ExudeLoveToAll:



Supreme Court has quashed this.

Every child has same statutory right to inherit his father's properties whether male or female.

I will only advocate for peaceful resolution of the matter.

Quashed what

When the KINSMEN (NDI OHA) judgement is supreme to that of the court in igbo land
COURT WILL ONLY GIVE JUDGEMENT IN REFERENCE TO WHAT THE KINSMEN HAVE DECREED
MAKE UNA TRY DE LEARN THIS THINGS

07kjb:


Quashed what

When the KINSMEN (NDI OHA) judgement is supreme to that of the court in igbo land
COURT WILL ONLY GIVE JUDGEMENT IN REFERENCE TO WHAT THE KINSMEN HAVE DECREED
MAKE UNA TRY DE LEARN THIS THINGS

All children has equal rights to parents properties whether they are females or males even if their mothers were not married.

You should try and educate yourself on this rather than exuding ignorance with confidence

The decision of the chiefs is immaterial when it comes to the court.

There is a precedent on this.

houzing:


traditionally, if the boy's mother was not culturally or legally married, then he has no claim as the first son, rather he is just a member of the family.

Well said..
@op check the culture of your people..
In many parts of igboland,once a woman's bride price isn't paid, all her kids belongs to her Father & not her "supposed husband".
If this be the case, your nephew was even more wrong for doing what he did & it shows his level of reasoning & understanding.

houzing:


traditionally, if the boy's mother was not culturally or legally married, then he has no claim as the first son, rather he is just a member of the family.

The boy is a bastard though.

Anal55:

Hmm the thing is that he break into my apartment renovate the ceiling and change the painting does it mean I will have to forfeit that very self con of course I never denied him access to some rooms there

What tribe are you from? If the property is in the city he has no right to it because it belongs to all of you. The best thing is to sell it or your family will descend into the abyss.

ExudeLoveToAll:


All children has equal rights to parents properties whether they are females or males even if their mothers were not married.

You should try and educate yourself on this rather than exuding ignorance with confidence

The decision of the chiefs is immaterial when it comes to the court.

There is a precedent on this.

All children have equal rights is in YOUR TRIBE NOT IN ALA IGBO

First born will always have the OBI
WOMEN HAS NO INHERITANCE they should go to their husbands house

Even courts in Igbo land won't rule otherwise

07kjb:


All children have equal rights is in YOUR TRIBE NOT IN ALA IGBO

First born will always have the OBI
WOMEN HAS NO INHERITANCE they should go to their husbands house

Even courts in Igbo land won't rule otherwise

Na here you fail am oooo. Women have inheritance but not the Obi. Fathers can will properties to them.

Anal55:

Village am from South East

Frankly speaking I knew you were from South East before opening the thread.

My candid advice - anything land or property dispute... you might seem a coward or weak, but smile and yield.

Redouble your efforts and when you become really successful they will come after you and beg with their noses rubbing the ground. I have seen that happen.

Anything land or property... some people are ready to waste you. Kill you literally or give you a slow death spiritually. I have also seen that happen. Maybe your destiny is to become a millionaire.... your potentials will disappear in a flash.

Let me tell you... that so called property might hinder your progress in life because of that emotional attachment to it.

Call Elders into the matter to give hopefully an unbiased judgement. Abide by the ruling and go and make sure you are successful.

Success is the best revenge.

Anal55:
Nairalanders how do you tackle this kind of problem especially when it has to do with family and property
My nephew is dragging right with me over our family house his father was my elder brother and the first born in our family we where five in number 2 boys and 3 girls although my female siblings are married .
My parents left us with a family house as the where now late so my brother lives in the landlord palour which was a self con apartment when he was alive although his relationship with his wife didn't work out as the woman wasn't married by my brother but she had kids for him now after my brother death I moved to the apartment as and started living there although I did a little renovation on it and others .
Until I have to travel all in the hustle although I was still in Nigeria but I moved to the northern part of Nigeria only to receive calls from my neighbors that my nephew has break into my apartment and do some retouching in my own house
Note there was never a time I ask them to live the compound or anything infact this is a family house as everyone has a room why must it be that my own.
I need advice as am very very pissed off
I brought this here for wiser contribution
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The thing is that this boy am talking about went to HK only to pick money from it as I heard only to come to break into my own apartment if he thinks he needs a room there are many there it's is literally insulting

You guys are Igbos right?

Gaddafih001:

The boy is a bastard though.

...... You are getting it all wrong here. How can you be calling someone who is occupying his father's house bastard?

For your information,the op that is saying his elder brother did not marry the woman might not even be sure of what he is saying because in Igbo land,there's no way the woman's family would have allowed those children to be staying with the man if he didn't perform any traditional marriage rites no matter how small.

No matter how you want to judge it,that his nephew owns the OBI.

Anal55:
Nairalanders how do you tackle this kind of problem especially when it has to do with family and property
My nephew is dragging right with me over our family house his father was my elder brother and the first born in our family we where five in number 2 boys and 3 girls although my female siblings are married .
My parents left us with a family house as the where now late so my brother lives in the landlord palour which was a self con apartment when he was alive although his relationship with his wife didn't work out as the woman wasn't married by my brother but she had kids for him now after my brother death I moved to the apartment as and started living there although I did a little renovation on it and others .
Until I have to travel all in the hustle although I was still in Nigeria but I moved to the northern part of Nigeria only to receive calls from my neighbors that my nephew has break into my apartment and do some retouching in my own house
Note there was never a time I ask them to live the compound or anything infact this is a family house as everyone has a room why must it be that my own.
I need advice as am very very pissed off
I brought this here for wiser contribution
Modifying[b][/b]
The thing is that this boy am talking about went to HK only to pick money from it as I heard only to come to break into my own apartment if he thinks he needs a room there are many there it's is literally insulting

Like someone has said already, the house belongs to the first son. At the fathers death, his eldest surviving son should inherit his property and INHERITANCE. You are only a custodian although no one can make you leave if you don’t want to as it is still your father’s house. But this house doesn’t belong to you. It belongs to the son. He even has the right to sell it. This is according to my tradition and I’m a Bini man.

GerogeI:
this not Igbo culture, we do not share things into two.
The legacy of a man will be carried on by the first son in form of his Obi, which must remain undivided so that all members of the family will always have a reference home. After this, if there are enough lands, each male will get a place of to establish his abode or Obi, and then whatever remains will be shared equally. If all a man has is his Obi, his first son inherits it, the others get nothing but have rights to live in the obi till they are ready and able to acquire their own abode.

We are culturally attached to the land of our origin like the jews feel attachment to isreal, thats why we always return home to our fathers land. If we share Obi, it will be liquidated by the uninterested parties and end our identity and affiliation with the land. So this is the reason for not sharing the Obi, and it is well tested with time.

My father was naive enough to knock down his fathers mud house in the 50s and rebuilt it with his own money, when he is the second son. Last last the reality was that he built a house for his brother, while his allocated abode was empty. Thank God for my mum, who then built his obi.

There is a lot of sense in this. U re right. That means, the compound in question belongs to the his late brother but Op can still live there until he gets his own abode.
The nephew is right to take back his late father's room from his uncle.

flourishing247:


Na here you fail am oooo. Women have inheritance but not the Obi. Fathers can will properties to them.

Nope that one is voluntary I can give my daughter a portion of any of my property
But she doesn't have cultural and traditional right in the sharing of inheritance

See this things are deep even when I want to give my daughter any of my property I must consult my son's for them to be in agreement with me hence if I die tomorrow my son's will reclaim the said property on the ground that they were not informed

PerfectMan24:

There is a lot of sense in this. U re right. That means, the compound in question belongs to the his late brother but Op can still live there until he gets his own abode.
The nephew is right to take back his late father's room from his uncle.

I believe this is the accepted tradition in all Nigerian culture. As a Bini man, what the Igbos call “Obi” the residence of the man of the house will always go to the first son irrespective of the location ( City/Village). If the father has other properties, it will be shared amongst all the children (or their families if any is late) including women. This is our tradition. Inheriting the family house doesn’t give the son the right to send any of this siblings or step mom away from the house. They should only leave of their own choosing.