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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 8:33pm On Jan 25, 2023
adamusuleiman1:
Neo-Nazi, white supremacist, holocaust denier, misogynist, and one of Trump’s dinner date, Nick Fuentes, has been kicked off Twitter again less than 24 hours after his account was reinstated.
Not surprised.

What's Ye up to

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by SlyfoxxMadness: 8:49pm On Jan 25, 2023
CoolUsername:


I unironically support this ending.

I think it would be the fairest conclusion to the turbulent past decade or so in US politics. Just lock them all up let’s start afresh grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by 1stGenAmerican(f): 9:22pm On Jan 25, 2023
adamusuleiman1:
Marjorie Taylor Greene is actively seeking to run with Trump as his vice presidential candidate - NBC

As if he needs any help losing any future elections.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by SlyfoxxMadness: 11:08pm On Jan 25, 2023
1stGenAmerican:


As if he needs any help losing any future elections.

You better shut up before I kiss you.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by SlyfoxxMadness: 11:09pm On Jan 25, 2023
The king is back!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ono(m): 11:28pm On Jan 25, 2023
Long live the King!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ono(m): 11:29pm On Jan 25, 2023
Sly, I think this is too little too late for me. Never ever going back to Facebook - ever again.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by SlyfoxxMadness: 11:38pm On Jan 25, 2023
ono:
Sly, I think this is too little too late for me. Never ever going back to Facebook - ever again.

Lol I haven't personally used Facebook in any serious manner since at least 2015 and very few people in my age group do but it’s still a very important voter mobilization tool for a politician, especially a conservative politician like Trump who has a large base of older voters. (Facebook is still very popular among senior citizens) so I’m glad he’s back. In fact that’s probably the reason Meta reinstated him. He is a leading presidential candidate now so if they didn’t reinstate him and his opponents where on the platform, that would be unfair and may even be considered an in-kind contribution to his opponents campaign.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by adamusuleiman1: 3:34am On Jan 26, 2023
Mass shootings in the US this year after 25 days.

Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by adamusuleiman1: 3:44am On Jan 26, 2023
Famed civil rights attorney Ben Crump is planning to file a lawsuit against Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis over the rejection of an Advanced Placement African American Studies pilot program.

Crump announced the planned lawsuit during a Wednesday news conference at the Florida Capitol, where he was joined by leaders from the American Federation of Teachers, politicians including South Florida State Sen. Shevrin Jones, and three AP honors students who will serve as the lead plaintiffs.

Gov. Ron DeSantis said the course violates legislation dubbed the Stop WOKE Act he signed last year.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 4:05am On Jan 26, 2023
adamusuleiman1:
Famed civil rights attorney Ben Crump is planning to file a lawsuit against Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis over the rejection of an Advanced Placement African American Studies pilot program.

Crump announced the planned lawsuit during a Wednesday news conference at the Florida Capitol, where he was joined by leaders from the American Federation of Teachers, politicians including South Florida State Sen. Shevrin Jones, and three AP honors students who will serve as the lead plaintiffs.

Gov. Ron DeSantis said the course violates legislation dubbed the Stop WOKE Act he signed last year.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ono(m): 6:58am On Jan 26, 2023
SlyfoxxMadness:


Lol I haven't personally used Facebook in any serious manner since at least 2015 and very few people in my age group do but it’s still a very important voter mobilization tool for a politician, especially a conservative politician like Trump who has a large base of older voters. (Facebook is still very popular among senior citizens) so I’m glad he’s back. In fact that’s probably the reason Meta reinstated him. He is a leading presidential candidate now so if they didn’t reinstate him and his opponents where on the platform, that would be unfair and may even be considered an in-kind contribution to his opponents campaign.


You can read the below:

Mollie Hemingway: Facebook Unbanning Trump "Isn't Even Close To Making Right To What They Did To This Country"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/01/25/mollie_hemingway_facebook_unbanning_trump_isnt_even_close_to_making_right_to_what_they_did_to_this_country.html

The Federalist's Mollie Hemingway on Wednesday called Facebook an existential threat to the country and the Republican party and said if they believe unbanning former President Donald Trump makes up for what they have done, "they have another thing coming."

"If you can do this to the sitting president of the United States, this makes you more powerful than most governments," Hemingway said on Fox News.

"They are not just private companies," Hemingway said. "They have a lot of privileges that are afforded to them. This cannot continue. And if they think, oh, after two years of this type of thing, allowing a little bit of more free expression would keep people from coming after them, I think they have another thing coming. They are an existential threat to the country and the party."

MOLLIE HEMINGWAY, THE FEDERALIST: It is unbelievable that they were allowed for two years, that Facebook was allowed to deplatform at first the sitting president of the United States, then the leader of the Republican party, now a candidate for president, a potential future president of the United States. They did this in part because people were not creating enough outrage over it.

Facebook in general has done so much to attack freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and the freedom of free people to debate. They didn't do it just with Trump. They did it with all sorts of effective voices. All sorts of important debates about COIVD. And, so, finally two years later after meddling in election after election, now they're finally saying, oh, he can come back now. This isn't even coming close to making right what they did to this country and what they continue to do...

It is true that the left has become this authoritarian totalitarian force. They have pushed to continue this horrific censorship that has done so much to destroy civil society in the United States. So they did try to keep the pressure on Facebook. But that is not to their credit that they are even worse than Google or Facebook or Twitter or these Big Tech companies that have done so much censorship against the American people.

It's just crazy how much the left supports this type of restriction on how people can say or think or what should happen to them when they do. I think it's also worth remembering when this happened -- when this move to take President Trump off of these platforms happened -- it was so bad that it alarmed people who don't even have the protections of our First Amendment. Angela Merkel was appalled. Various other European leaders were terrified about what was happening with how much control these Big Tech companies have over -- if you can do this to the sitting president of the United States, this makes you more powerful than most governments.

They are not just private companies. They have a lot of privileges that are afforded to them. This cannot continue. And if they think, oh, after two years of this type of thing, allowing a little bit of more free expression would keep people from coming after them, I think they have another thing coming. They are an existential threat to the country and the party.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by adamusuleiman1: 7:39am On Jan 26, 2023
adamusuleiman1:

Donald Trump prepares for his return to Facebook and Twitter.

Trump's presidential campaign formally petitioned Facebook's parent company Tuesday to unblock his account, according to a letter reviewed by NBC News.

Meta President for Global Affairs Nick Clegg: Trump must 'play by the rules' on Facebook and Instagram.

Trump's accounts will be reinstated "in the coming weeks" with new guardrails "to deter repeat offenses," Nick Clegg, president of global affairs at Facebook's parent company Meta, said on Wednesday.

The "serious risk to public safety" that led Meta to suspend Trump in January 2021 "has sufficiently receded," Clegg wrote in a blog post. Still, he said, Trump would face "heightened penalties" should he continue to break Meta's rules, including removal of his posts and even a fresh two-year suspension.


Sir Nicholas William Peter Clegg is a British media executive and former Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom who has been president for global affairs at Meta Platforms since 2022, having previously been vice‑president of global affairs and communications at Facebook from 2018 to 2022.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by happney65: 7:54am On Jan 26, 2023
Them kuku fit themselves. grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by SlyfoxxMadness: 8:55am On Jan 26, 2023
ono:



You can read the below:

Mollie Hemingway: Facebook Unbanning Trump "Isn't Even Close To Making Right To What They Did To This Country"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/01/25/mollie_hemingway_facebook_unbanning_trump_isnt_even_close_to_making_right_to_what_they_did_to_this_country.html

The Federalist's Mollie Hemingway on Wednesday called Facebook an existential threat to the country and the Republican party and said if they believe unbanning former President Donald Trump makes up for what they have done, "they have another thing coming."

"If you can do this to the sitting president of the United States, this makes you more powerful than most governments," Hemingway said on Fox News.

"They are not just private companies," Hemingway said. "They have a lot of privileges that are afforded to them. This cannot continue. And if they think, oh, after two years of this type of thing, allowing a little bit of more free expression would keep people from coming after them, I think they have another thing coming. They are an existential threat to the country and the party."

MOLLIE HEMINGWAY, THE FEDERALIST: It is unbelievable that they were allowed for two years, that Facebook was allowed to deplatform at first the sitting president of the United States, then the leader of the Republican party, now a candidate for president, a potential future president of the United States. They did this in part because people were not creating enough outrage over it.

Facebook in general has done so much to attack freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and the freedom of free people to debate. They didn't do it just with Trump. They did it with all sorts of effective voices. All sorts of important debates about COIVD. And, so, finally two years later after meddling in election after election, now they're finally saying, oh, he can come back now. This isn't even coming close to making right what they did to this country and what they continue to do...

It is true that the left has become this authoritarian totalitarian force. They have pushed to continue this horrific censorship that has done so much to destroy civil society in the United States. So they did try to keep the pressure on Facebook. But that is not to their credit that they are even worse than Google or Facebook or Twitter or these Big Tech companies that have done so much censorship against the American people.

It's just crazy how much the left supports this type of restriction on how people can say or think or what should happen to them when they do. I think it's also worth remembering when this happened -- when this move to take President Trump off of these platforms happened -- it was so bad that it alarmed people who don't even have the protections of our First Amendment. Angela Merkel was appalled. Various other European leaders were terrified about what was happening with how much control these Big Tech companies have over -- if you can do this to the sitting president of the United States, this makes you more powerful than most governments.

They are not just private companies. They have a lot of privileges that are afforded to them. This cannot continue. And if they think, oh, after two years of this type of thing, allowing a little bit of more free expression would keep people from coming after them, I think they have another thing coming. They are an existential threat to the country and the party.

Wow. some very good points made.

Yes the republicans should absolutely seek to break up Facebook, google once they regain congress and the White House. These companies are becoming too powerful and their ways becoming too tyrannical. But for now we just have to use them to our advantage as best as we can because the sonic rats certainly are not going to do anything about them. In fact they are busy fighting them for not censoring conservatives enough.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by SlyfoxxMadness: 9:15am On Jan 26, 2023
Guys let’s start a conversation on this thread. A civil conversation devoid of any insults, tantrums or disrespectful words. I am even willing to behave myself until the conversation is over lol.

I feel we spend too much time shouting at each other here instead if trying to understand each other but on this particular topic I really want to understand how liberals think because this one topic to me that there can absolutely be no compromise or middle ground. There is nothing like “we just have different approaches”. On this particular topic it is either liberals are mad or we conservatives are mad so I think we really need to thrash it out to determine which of us is mad;

What exactly is liberals problem with controlling what people say and think? Why is free speech such an existential threat to liberal? Why should your (frankly irrational) fear of Covid trump my right to say whatever I feel about it? Is it not true that many things that were deemed “conspiracy theories” or “misinformation” at the beginning of the pandemic have now been proven true or at least plausible? (E.g the lab leak theory) why then try to stop people from freely discussing the topic from all angles? Don’t you think that is a better approach to finding a solution than if everyone just falls in-line behind whatever the government narrative is at any point? (Because government has never been wrong about anything ever)

But in general asides Covid why do liberals get so emotional and offended at opinions that don’t align with theirs? We see it here on this thread everyday with grown men practically breaking down in tears and throwing tantrums at anybody who expresses conservative thoughts (one particular guy makes sure to reply every such post hence ending up in senseless arguments from morning to night) Is diversity of thought not a healthy component of any serious democracy to liberals? Why do you guys wake up every morning worried and stressed about what other people are thinking or saying? Is that not a frankly tiresome way to live your lives?

So many questions but the gist is the same.. why are liberals so anti-free speech? Let’s discuss…

Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 11:08am On Jan 26, 2023
Pfizer top executive caught on tape gidily explaining how they could mutate covid virus themselves and come up with a vaccine.SIck
(( I am sure youtube will remove this video)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywlpArNWKxM
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Nobody: 12:27pm On Jan 26, 2023
happney65:
Them kuku fit themselves. grin
Orange and Greene 😂

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 1:14pm On Jan 26, 2023
SlyfoxxMadness:

What exactly is liberals problem with controlling what people say and think?

No one wants to control whatever it is that you think. The only thing we'd like you to control is your inability to hold "conversation devoid of any insults, tantrums or disrespectful words", which you repeatedly show an inability to do.

Thankfully, though it seems you can not be banned for disobeying simple rules designed to ensure the site works better, we can very easily ban ourselves from conversing with you.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 1:59pm On Jan 26, 2023

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by kkins25(m): 2:10pm On Jan 26, 2023
budaatum:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64413242

Hehe. trans-She is going to get a taste of trans-her own medicine.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by kkins25(m): 2:21pm On Jan 26, 2023
budaatum:


No one wants to control whatever it is that you think. The only thing we'd like you to control is your inability to hold "conversation devoid of any insults, tantrums or disrespectful words", which you repeatedly show an inability to do.
I disagree. There are people that fit the description on both sides. However, one side, that is, the liberals, are quick to clamour for the utter destruction of opponent. As we saw in the previously polluted twitter. If same tatics used by radical lefts today, was employed by radical right, given the extent of availability of information as we have today, there'd be no liberals.

Thankfully, though it seems you can not be banned for disobeying simple rules designed to ensure the site works better, we can very easily ban ourselves from conversing with you.
Another statement i don't agree with given someone like J. K rowlings was asked to be banned.. Why? I continue to wonder. We've seen several folks(I've even gotten used to this term) lose jobs over words that don't do harm besides trigger emotions.

Even if the claims by liberals holds water, the presentation by- and the flock of people it has produced do no good to the movement.

If you ask me, what is a liberal? I'd say "a group of karens."
Oh, i must add, I am not referring to nairaland goons. 😁

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 2:45pm On Jan 26, 2023
kkins25:
I disagree. There are people that fit the description on both sides. However, one side, that is, the liberals, are quick to clamour for the utter destruction of opponent.

Perhaps you can read and it's I who's not clear enough so let me repeat myself and see if it makes a difference.

No one wants to control whatever it is that you think.

You may think you want to shoot buda for instance, but no one cares nor wants to control your thinking of shooting buda.

As for the rest. I don't even care what you've said, not to talk of what you think on the topic.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 3:24pm On Jan 26, 2023
kkins25:
I disagree. There are people that fit the description on both sides. However, one side, that is, the liberals, are quick to clamour for the utter destruction of opponent. As we saw in the previously polluted twitter. If same tatics used by radical lefts today, was employed by radical right, given the extent of availability of information as we have today, there'd be no liberals.

Another statement i don't agree with given someone like J. K rowlings was asked to be banned.. Why? I continue to wonder. We've seen several folks(I've even gotten used to this term) lose jobs over words that don't do harm besides trigger emotions.

Even if the claims by liberals holds water, the presentation by- and the flock of people it has produced do no good to the movement.

If you ask me, what is a liberal? I'd say "a group of karens."
Oh, i must add, I am not referring to nairaland goons. 😁

Your description seems myopic. I think you need to think more broadly in terms of liberal vs. conservative. I assume you're a black Nigerian. If you were in the US, which groups protects your right of equality as a black man? What group protects your right of equality as a woman? What group protects the ability to have a reasonable means of living, paid a fair a wage for fair work? And what group protects people, who at times by no means of their own need some help?

But you've defined this debate in terms of the culture wars you've heard in your rightwing ecosphere. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp were created by liberals, who probably when they were younger stayed up late at night in their dorm rooms talking about dreams of connecting people or increasing debate. The same type of random discussion I would have at 2am in the morning in the common area of my liberal university dorm. But these same people, who created these platforms to increase connectivity and conversation, want to limit speech? In fact I think you need a history lesson in which groups historically tried to limit speech. Google Book Banning to start.

The problem is conservatives have decided that limiting violent, abusive, derogatory speech filled with medical misinformation-and lies is somehow an attack on all speech. Just like Sly in this forum. He repeatedly and continuously abuses the rules of this forum and members of it and by doing so impacts the ability of others to participate in this forum. Yet when banned he thinks it's his right to continue doing what he does. Is this forum limiting his free speech by banning him? So, the issue isn't conservatives actually caring about speech, they just want their speech to have more influence and to be protected over everyone else's. Look at what is happening in Florida with AP Black History. Or what is going on with book bannings in the US.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by kkins25(m): 3:49pm On Jan 26, 2023
IjeBos:


Your description seems myopic. I think you need to think more broadly in terms of liberal vs. conservative. I assume you're a black Nigerian. If you were in the US, which groups protects your right of equality as a black man? What group protects your right of equality as a woman? What group protects the ability to have a reasonable means of living, paid a fair a wage for fair work? And what group protects people, who at times by no means of their own need some help?


ahh, mounting your own myopic views on top of mine. Are you on the claim that conservatives are anti-black? 😉 And that there's no tint of racism in the camps of the liberals? Or are you conflating Republicans with conservatives and liberals with democrats? Then maybe some proof of the impact of the demos with regards to the liberation of the blacks would be nice.

But you've defined this debate in terms of the culture wars you've heard in your rightwing ecosphere. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp were created by liberals,

Rightwing ecosohere? I'm atheist, engage in 'sexual immorality', etc. you'd agree I wouldn't fit into the rightwind ecosophere or atleast most of it. I also don't know about liberals being the driven forces of social media.

who probably when they were younger stayed up late at night in their dorm rooms talking about dreams of connecting people or increasing debate.

Sure. So have many other people.

The same type of random discussion I would have at 2am in the morning in the common area of my liberal university dorm. But these same people, who created these platforms to increase connectivity and conversation, want to limit speech? In fact I think you need a history lesson in which groups historically tried to limit speech. Google Book Banning to start.


I've not seen any conservative fight for the termination of any social platform. Conservatives are so called because they clinged to traditional values.. Liberals could be conservative as well. maybe we've mixed demo and Republicans up since the odds of being a conservative and republican are high, just as that of being liberal and democratic is also high. The clear distinction between arises when we enter the gender and culture discussions.

The problem is conservatives have decided that limiting violent, abusive, derogatory speech filled with medical misinformation-and lies is somehow an attack on all speech. Just like Sly in this forum. He repeatedly and continuously abuses the rules of this forum and members of it and by doing so impacts the ability of others to participate in this forum. Yet when banned he thinks it's his right to continue doing what he does.


Medical information? Are you referring to covid? That's still a grey area so, I'm not sure.

Is this forum limiting his free speech by banning him? So, the issue isn't conservatives actually caring about speech, they just want their speech to have more influence and to be protected over everyone else's. Look at what is happening in Florida with AP Black History. Or what is going on with book bannings in the US.
I could argue same for liberals..

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by adamusuleiman1: 4:07pm On Jan 26, 2023
The spread of COVID-19 misinformation in Canada cost at least 2,800 lives and $300 million in hospital expenses over nine months, according to estimates in a new report.

The report released by the Council of Canadian Academies (CCA), an independent research organization examined how misinformation affected COVID infections, hospitalizations and deaths between March and November of 2021.

Alex Himelfarb, chair of the expert panel that wrote the report, said that its estimates are very conservative because it only examined a nine-month period of the pandemic.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 4:14pm On Jan 26, 2023
kkins25:


ahh, mounting your own myopic views on top of mine. Are you on the claim that conservatives are anti-black? 😉 And that there's no tint of racism in the camps of the liberals? Or are you conflating Republicans with conservatives and liberals with democrats? Then maybe some proof of the impact of the demos with regards to the liberation of the blacks would be nice.



Rightwing ecosohere? I'm atheist, engage in 'sexual immorality', etc. you'd agree I wouldn't fit into the rightwind ecosophere or atleast most of it. I also don't know about liberals being the driven forces of social media.


Sure. So have many other people.



I've not seen any conservative fight for the termination of any social platform. Conservatives are so called because they clinged to traditional values.. Liberals could be conservative as well. maybe we've mixed demo and Republicans up since the odds of being a conservative and republican are high, just as that of being liberal and democratic is also high. The clear distinction between arises when we enter the gender and culture discussions.



Medical information? Are you referring to covid? That's still a grey area so, I'm not sure.

I could argue same for liberals..

This post; most of your writeup is devoid of any historical context and intellectually dishonest to boot.

Google the definition of Conservatism. Conservatism defends the status quo and believes in incremental change if any. The status quo was/and to an extent continues to be anti Black Americans. So you tell me, given the definition of conservatism, what do you think their position would be? And do you think it was conservative minded whites who liberated Black people? Really? That is part in parcel of the intellectual dishonesty I'm talking about.

And as to your point about not being part of the "right wing ecosphere because you're an Atheist engaging in sexual immorality". Look at Jerry Fallwell Jr., Matt Schlapp etc.. etc. etc. for examples and tell me what that signifies. Phoniness seems to be a prerequisite for being a leader in the conservative movement these days.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IMAliyu2: 4:35pm On Jan 26, 2023
happney65:
Them kuku fit themselves. grin
I've only ever seen a few clips of this lady online, and I can tell she's batsh!t crazy.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by adamusuleiman1: 5:27pm On Jan 26, 2023
Trump 2024 Gets Endorsements From Just FOUR of 168 RNC Members Contacted By NYT.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by happney65: 5:28pm On Jan 26, 2023
IMAliyu2:

I've only ever seen a few clips of this lady online, and I can tell she's batsh!t crazy.


Damm pretty crazy
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 5:58pm On Jan 26, 2023
This would be the lesson Musk taught the libbys,
Opps. I meant, business leaders.

https://wolfstreet.com/2023/01/25/whats-behind-the-tech-social-media-layoffs/

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IMAliyu2: 6:35pm On Jan 26, 2023
As someone who was briefly swept up by the anti-sjw Youtube trend and Ben Shapiro conservatism pipeline, I can sympathize with your framing, although very biased and makes a set of false assumptions, meaning all your questions are loaded and dishonest. I'll try to answer you.
SlyfoxxMadness:

What exactly is liberals problem with controlling what people say and think?
No liberal is trying to control your thoughts, and you have the freedom of speech to say what you want.

The clash come from the weird understanding of what the right to "freedom of speech" is and it's limitations.
Your right to free speech ends when it leads to harm or starts to step into the rights of others.

Let me ask this, why do you believe liberals are trying to control you?


Why is free speech such an existential threat to liberal? Why should your (frankly irrational) fear of Covid trump my right to say whatever I feel about it?
I refer you to the first reply.

You are free to talk about COVID, it's literally what everyone has been doing when the pandemic started.
However the deliberate spread of certain false information about covid has lead to avoidable harm and deaths. So should there be no consequences on people who do such a thing, or should there be no efforts to reduce the spread of that false information?


Is it not true that many things that were deemed “conspiracy theories” or “misinformation” at the beginning of the pandemic have now been proven true or at least plausible? (E.g the lab leak theory) why then try to stop people from freely discussing the topic from all angles?

Once again who's stopping you from discussing something like the lab leak hypothesis?
Keep in mind people were also saying 5G was the cause of covid.
People not taking you seriously or believing in your unsubstantiated claims and theories is not the same as them violating your free speech.


Don’t you think that is a better approach to finding a solution than if everyone just falls in-line behind whatever the government narrative is at any point? (Because government has never been wrong about anything ever)
Something like an epidemic with a fairly new strain of viruses, is not a topic I personally trust any average person to have a meaningful insight into, as any solution or useful insight dependents on knowledge and education that the vast majority of people don't have.
So, while I believe in the right of anyone to have an opinion on it, I don't believe that just having average joes and schizos spit ballin will solve anything that complex.


But in general asides Covid why do liberals get so emotional and offended at opinions that don’t align with theirs? We see it here on this thread everyday with grown men practically breaking down in tears and throwing tantrums at anybody who expresses conservative thoughts (one particular guy makes sure to reply every such post hence ending up in senseless arguments from morning to night) Is diversity of thought not a healthy component of any serious democracy to liberals? Why do you guys wake up every morning worried and stressed about what other people are thinking or saying? Is that not a frankly tiresome way to live your lives?

So many questions but the gist is the same.. why are liberals so anti-free speech? Let’s discuss…
Well the core of your questioning comes back to "What is free speech" which I would like to hear your opinion on.

The liberal you are making a case against is a straw man that only exists in the brains of conservatives fam.

I'm willing to overlook a number of false assumptions and loaded questions you asked, which are indicative of your bias hopefully at some point you manage to step outside of that and approach discussions with a little more honesty if understanding is really what you seek.

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