The question on some lips is that in the betrayal case of Peter and Judas, it seems God love Peter more than Judas? Peter betrayed Jesus and he was pardoned while Judas also betrayed Him and was never pardoned.

Lets look at the content to know what is happening or what happened.

Jesus came to the world with a purpose and a mission - to serve, to redeem by being the sacrifice to pay for our sins, and to establish the church through His apostles until His return. The church was then to go out and spread the Gospel. Each of the twelve disciples, hand-picked by Jesus, followed Him in life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XkUonGbcWc

Peter recovered easily because he wasn't a greedy person, he betrayed Jesus just like all others who ran away and left Jesus behind out of fear but Judas sold Jesus for money! 1Timothy 6:6-10

Denial and betrayal is not the same.

Peter denied Jesus in order to save his own life in a dangerous situation. He did not put Jesus in harm's way. He instinctively preserved his own life.

Judas took well planned active steps to put Jesus his master in harms way and profited financially for it.

That is betrayal.

Judas did not give himself the opportunity to start afresh but killed a person.

Judas killed himself you mean to write sir?

herlecks:
Judas did not give himself the opportunity to start afresh but killed a person.

Both are betrayals, sir, abi?

otipoju:
Denial and betrayal is not the same.

Peter denied Jesus in order to save his own life in a dangerous situation. He did not put Jesus in harm's way. He instinctively preserved his own life.

Judas took well planned active steps to put Jesus his master in harms way and profited financially for it.

That is betrayal.

AmeLonRo:
Both are betrayals, sir, abi?

No. Peter did not betray Jesus. He lied to save his own life in the midst of those who could kill him.

Judas betrayed Jesus...by collecting money in exchange for bringing those who sought to kill Jesus to their private hangout.

Two different things entirely.

Wetin concern agbero with over load..?

AmeLonRo:
The my mi question on some lips is that in the betrayal case of Peter and Judas, it seems God love Peter more than Judas? Peter betrayed Jesus and he was pardoned while Judas also betrayed Him and was never pardoned.

Lets look at the content to know what is happening or what happened...

Judas Sold God!

God o. The Same One Who Spoke to Moses on the mountain and scattered Egypt!

The idiot did not fear inspite of all he saw and heard.

And then the idiot chose silver instead of God! Ah oti dabaru pata pata!

Peter's sin did not reach this one.

otipoju:


No. Peter did not betray Jesus. He lied to save his own life in the midst of those who could kill him.

Judas betrayed Jesus...by collecting money in exchange for bringing those who sought to kill Jesus to their private hangout.

Two different things entirely.

They are both betrayals. Denial is also a type of betrayal however in this case both do not have the same weight

Judas's own was greater and as you rightly said Peter was not intentionally seeking to harm The Lord but was only trying to preserve his own life.

But Judas intended to harm The Lord and he even thought that The Lord, The Lord Who went about doing only good, was not innocent. (Making False Axcusation against God)

If I draft up his crimes, it would reach up to 10 counts with each one carrying death penalty.

Dtruthspeaker:


They are both betrayals. Denial is also a type of betrayal however in this case both do not have the same weight

Judas's own was greater and as you rightly said Peter was not intentionally seeking to harm The Lord but was only trying to preserve his own life.

But Judas intended to harm The Lord and he even thought that The Lord, The Lord Who went about doing only good, was not innocent. (Making False Axcusation against God)

If I draft up his crimes, it would reach up to 10 counts with each one carrying death penalty.

Betrayal is the sense of being harmed by the intentional actions or omissions of a trusted person. The most common forms of betrayal are harmful disclosures of confidential information, disloyalty, infidelity, dishonesty. They can be traumatic and cause considerable distress. The effects of betrayal include shock, loss and grief, morbid pre-occupation, damaged self-esteem, self-doubting, anger.

Peter did not betray Jesus. His lying did not bring harm to Jesus in any way shape or form.

I will expect my children to deny knowing me if acknowledging that I am their father will make them loose their lives. That is not betrayal.

Dtruthspeaker:


Judas Sold God!

God o. The Same One Who Spoke to Moses on the mountain and scattered Egypt!

The idiot did not fear inspite of all he saw and heard.

And then the idiot chose silver instead of God! Ah oti dabaru pata pata!

Peter's sin did not reach this one.

Does that not tell you the gospel story was written as a mockery of God.....

Christianity was created to mock God...by the Roman empire...there is nothing divine about it....same old recycled paganism from Babylon..

AmeLonRo:
The question on some lips is that in the betrayal case of Peter and Judas, it seems God love Peter more than Judas? Peter betrayed Jesus and he was pardoned while Judas also betrayed Him and was never pardoned.

Lets look at the content to know what is happening or what happened.

Jesus came to the world with a purpose and a mission - to serve, to redeem by being the sacrifice to pay for our sins, and to establish the church through His apostles until His return. The church was then to go out and spread the Gospel. Each of the twelve disciples, hand-picked by Jesus, followed Him in life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XkUonGbcWc

Peter believed in Jesus while Judas did not.
In other words Peter was christ sheep while Judas was not.

So even before Peter denied Jesus, He has already prayed for Peter.

sonmvayina:


Does that not tell you the gospel story was written as a mockery of God.....

Christianity was created to mock God...by the Roman empire...there is nothing divine about it....same old recycled paganism from Babylon..

Natural living already confirms it. When people see and meet a holy man they always wish to kill him if not for God's Solid protection when they can not get him to be unholy and unrighteous as they are.

So go back and tell your people that they are mad lying devils.

otipoju:

Peter did not betray Jesus. His lying did not bring harm to Jesus in any way shape or form.

I wll expect my children to deny knowing me if acknowledging that I am their father will make them loose their lives. That is not betrayal.

Your children example does not meet the case but your wife is the perfect example.

As usual your wife promises to die with you and now police has arrested you and they ask "is this your husband" and she says "no, she does not ever know you".

Surely, this is a betrayal.

Dtruthspeaker:


Natural living already confirms it. When people see and meet a holy man they always wish to kill him if not for God's Solid protection when they can not get him to be unholy and unrighteous as they are.

So go back and tell your people that they are mad lying devils.

God cannot be mocked...

No matter how you try..

sonmvayina:


God cannot be mocked...

No matter how you try..

See, change of post and off point.

Dtruthspeaker:


See, change of post and off point.

Dummy..

My point still stands..
God cannot be mocked, irrespective of what Christianity and the gospels writers might think..

sonmvayina:


Dummy..

My point still stands..
God cannot be mocked, irrespective of what Christianity and the gospels writers might think..

Only in your drug induced mad mind!

Dtruthspeaker:


Only in your drug induced mad mind!

Are you implying that God can be mocked?..

Come clean..

sonmvayina:


Are you implying that God can be mocked?..

Come clean..

I expressly say that you are a mad person and therefore incapable of normal understanding and conversation.

Dtruthspeaker:


I expressly say that you are a mad person and therefore incapable of normal understanding and conversation.

Dtruthspeaker, my offer still stands

You are not well,

You really do need psychiatric help..


I will pay for it...

sonmvayina:


Dtruthspeaker, my offer still stands

You are not well,

You really do need psychiatric help..

I will pay for it...

Says the mad man of nairaland who shows his madness even right now as he does not see that his responses are disjointed. Stupid mad man!

Dtruthspeaker:


Your children example does not meet the case but your wife is the perfect example.

As usual your wife promises to die with you and now police has arrested you and they ask "is this your husband" and she says "no, she does not ever know you".

Surely, this is a betrayal.

Go and read the meaning of betrayal. Peter's denial of Jesus did not bring any harm to Jesus. It was to save his own life. We are human beings and it is a natural instinct for survival. If my wife denies knowing me so she can survive and take care of the children...then it is a very good move.instead of two of us dying and then our children become orphans.

otipoju:


Go and read the meaning of betrayal. Peter's denial of Jesus did not bring any harm to Jesus. ...

You are just repeating yourself for I did confirm that Peter did not intend to harm Christ.

However betrayal does not always mean harm but it always means disappointment coming from a person who has a duty to not disappoint.

Vocabulary.com
Betrayal - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms
Betrayal means "an act of deliberate disloyalty.

Noun: the quality of aiding an enemy,

Dtruthspeaker:


You are just repeating yourself for I did confirm that Peter did not intend to harm Christ.

However betrayal does not always mean harm but it always means disappointment coming from a person who has a duty to not disappoint.

Vocabulary.com
Betrayal - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms
Betrayal means "an act of deliberate disloyalty.

Noun: the quality of aiding an enemy,

So how did Peter aid the enemy by his denial of Christ.

How did his denial harm Jesus. No long story just tell me how.

otipoju:
So how did Peter aid the enemy by his denial of Christ

How did his denial harm Jesus. No long story just tell me how.

Are you sufferer of down syndrome? Twice have I said that I agree that Peter did not intend to harm Christ, so something is wrong with you o most especially as you saw the first definition and skipped it

Ha! There are too many mad and abnormal people on this forum this is definitely a pandemic.

Dtruthspeaker:


Are you sufferer of down syndrome? Twice have I said that I agree that Peter did not intend to harm Christ, so something is wrong with you o most especially as you saw the first definition and skipped it

Ha! There are too many mad and abnormal people on this forum this is definitely a pandemic.

Unless there is harm to someone wether Physical or emotional, betrayal cannot be said to have occurred.

Peter lied about not knowing Jesus Christ to save his life. His action did not bring harm to Jesus in any physical or emotional way so he did not betray Jesus which is what you are saying that he did.

If you agree that he did not harm Jesus, then you must agree that he did not betray him.

You cannot say he betrayed him, when his action did not bring harm to Jesus.

It's your logic that is flawed. It's like saying Brandon killed Williams but Williams did not die.

otipoju:

Unless there is harm to someone wether Physical or emotional, betrayal cannot be said to have occurred.

Hmm you are not normal o.

Its okay, madly hold on to the single view other normal people already know that Betrayal means more than harm but included breach of loyalty and fidelity.

Dtruthspeaker:


Hmm you are not normal o.

Its okay, madly hold on to the single view other normal people already know that Betrayal means more than harm but included breach of loyalty and fidelity.

I took my time to give you the definition of betrayal by scholarly academic standards, you are telling me what " normal" people think they know. Who are the so called normal people. We call normal people like you " untrained bible readers".

On a very find day you are not worth discussing with over religious matters because you lack the scholarly training to do so. I spent 5 good years studying religion under the very best professors we had in Nigeria decades ago. We don't do emotions ,we do facts, we don't do fallacies, we do logic.

Peter did not betray Jesus. He denied him.
Judas betrayed Jesus and that is the end of the matter.

otipoju:

On a very find day you are not worth discussing with over religious matters because you lack the scholarly training to do so. I spent 5 good years studying religion under the very best professors we had in Nigeria decades ago.

And in all your bestness you all missed a very obvious second scholarly view, of what betrayal means?

You and your scholars are not as great as you should be.