FEGEITOK:


I am a service provider.

I graduated from mainly providing services to individuals to providing services to corporate clients - governments (Federal and State) and corporate entities and international organizations.

Under no circumstances can one call any of those out for delay in payment and then get business from any other similar organization.

Under no circumstances can one disparage those officers handling your file and still expect business and new deals.

One of them even told me, we have a small circle, do nonsense to one, and you have done nonsense to all.

It is from that background that I speak.

I still have individuals as clients but I use the same rules to guide all my interactions

So this guy got a contract with conoil. An exclusive contract. The engineers or maybe procurement guys approach him and say Mark it up by 4m, 2m is our cut. You take the other 2m. Obviously not ethical but he goes along with it. After a while for reasons only the vendor knows he gets pissed these guys are chopping money for doing nothing. He goes to adenuga and blows the whole scheme wide open. Adenuga sacks the engineers /procurement guys, then tells the vendor,, you will have to pay back all those 2m you ate.

The story was all over the industry and of course no one did any business with the guy again.

Avoid the moral pyhrric victory. Especially in the Nigerian business sector.

Person2person:


Madam, I need the linear measurements on all the four sides, the 12.26sqm you stated is the area. I need linear measurement not area.

11ft, 12ft, 11ft.. If I am wrong please kindly correct me

These situations are always dicy. I'm referring to payment of balance on drawings

I'll share an experience: I contracted an architect to produce a drawing for a duplex, payment 80% was paid upfront for the job. I told the architect to produce drawing in accordance to govt town planning specifications.

After the final drawing was sent and balance paid, The client took the drawing to town planning, and they requested some changes to pass approval.

Do you know the architect then requested more money to make those changes and refused to modify the work?

So I can understand the need to review the final drawings before the final payment is made.

My 2 cents: As a service provider (especially with things that don't require materials) your work is your legacy and represents you even when you aren't there, you should be willing to make modifications to your work within a sensible time frame. In this case, someone who was willing to pay a person 75% of the funds in trust, will definitely pay the balance. I'm sure he is trying to avoid the situation I mentioned above.

And as many people have stated here, fighting with a client/customer is never a good idea regardless.

@brickdevo In business we all have wins & loses no matter how much due diligence you adopt, it is just how life is. If the client decides to play funny, count it as a loss and keep doing your great work. No shake, the universe that brought you this client will bring more.

PrimeQuay:
These situations are always dicy. I'm referring to payment of balance on drawings

I'll share an experience: I contracted an architect to produce a drawing for a duplex, payment 80% was paid upfront for the job. I told the architect to produce drawing in accordance to govt town planning specifications.

After the final drawing was sent and balance paid, The client took the drawing to town planning, and they requested some changes to pass approval.

Do you know the architect then requested more money to make those changes and refused to modify the work?

So I can understand the need to review the final drawings before the final payment is made.

My 2 cents: As a service provider (especially with things that don't require materials) your work is your legacy and represents you even when you aren't there, you should be willing to make modifications to your work within a sensible time frame. In this case, someone who was willing to pay a person 75% of the funds in trust, will definitely pay the balance. I'm sure he is trying to avoid the situation I mentioned above.

And as many people have stated here, fighting with a client/customer is never a good idea regardless.

@brickdevo In business we all have wins & loses no matter how much due diligence you adopt, it is just how life is. If the client decides to play funny, count it as a loss and keep doing your great work. No shake, the universe that brought you this client will bring more.

he first paid 30% as against 40% i requested so i could start, and we agreed if i send the full drawing he will pay the rest,
i sent in the drawing, he then paid part of what is remaining, when i queried him, he said he wanted his builder to review it,
that was not a problem as i understand the need for the review, my only concern is why is it taking this long, i have done a lot of designs for client here, just
sometime ago a client chatted me asking for the roof sqm of the building i designed she has gotten to that stage to buy roofing sheets, i provided it without asking for extra money that was weeks after design has been done, she even sent me the pictures of the building.
I also designed a building for client from NL, at final stage he said i will show it to my wife then i will get back to you, and this is even after i submitted his complete drawings and he paid full.

Why is it taking 3days to review a single simple floor plan?

For the record let it be known to all, that the client has not paid the balance up till now.

PrimeQuay:
These situations are always dicy. I'm referring to payment of balance on drawings

I'll share an experience: I contracted an architect to produce a drawing for a duplex, payment 80% was paid upfront for the job. I told the architect to produce drawing in accordance to govt town planning specifications.

After the final drawing was sent and balance paid, The client took the drawing to town planning, and they requested some changes to pass approval.

Do you know the architect then requested more money to make those changes and refused to modify the work?

So I can understand the need to review the final drawings before the final payment is made.

My 2 cents: As a service provider (especially with things that don't require materials) your work is your legacy and represents you even when you aren't there, you should be willing to make modifications to your work within a sensible time frame. In this case, someone who was willing to pay a person 75% of the funds in trust, will definitely pay the balance. I'm sure he is trying to avoid the situation I mentioned above.

And as many people have stated here, fighting with a client/customer is never a good idea regardless.

@brickdevo In business we all have wins & loses no matter how much due diligence you adopt, it is just how life is. If the client decides to play funny, count it as a loss and keep doing your great work. No shake, the universe that brought you this client will bring more.

The architect ran street on you.

1) it is almost inevitable that town planning will request some changes. That one na standard. Anyone who works with town planning knows this.


2) any experienced professional knows where the issues are. I did a design where the client was requesting things I knew town planning would change. But they were talking as if they had an inside guy. I went along and as expected town planning pushed for amendments.

There is a minimum clearance between building and fence. These days they insist that drawing include gen house, water treatment, septic tank w calculations. Some so called professionals know what is required but will not advise you. Though on the flip side some people think they can bypass the requirements (they actually do which is why we have approval and construion drawings - but that's another story)

What I think needs to be done in the initial agreement is set the number of revisions. There will be revisions. This is inevitable.

BrickDevo:

he first paid 30% as against 40% i requested so i could start, and we agreed if i send the full drawing he will pay the rest,
i sent in the drawing, he then paid part of what is remaining, when i queried him, he said he wanted his builder to review it,
that was not a problem as i understand the need for the review, my only concern is why is it taking this long, i have done a lot of designs for client here, just
sometime ago a client chatted me asking for the roof sqm of the building i designed she has gotten to that stage to buy roofing sheets, i provided it without asking for extra money that was weeks after design has been done, she even sent me the pictures of the building.
I also designed a building for client from NL, at final stage he said i will show it to my wife then i will get back to you, and this is even after i submitted his complete drawings and he paid full.

Why is it taking 3days to review a single simple floor plan?

For the record let it be known to all, that the client has not paid the balance up till now.

IMO, three days isn't a long time to review the drawings especially since it is to be reviewed by a third party.

Remember, you started dragging this customer less than 48hrs after submitting the final drawings.

yemi2plus:


IMO, three days isn't a long time to review the drawings especially since it is to be reviewed by a third party.

Remember, you started dragging this customer less than 48hrs after submitting the final drawings.

Exactly! The dragging started TOO EARLY. No patience at all.

yemi2plus:


IMO, three days isn't a long time to review the drawings especially since it is to be reviewed by a third party.

Remember, you started dragging this customer less than 48hrs after submitting the final drawings.

You nailed it!

yemi2plus:


IMO, three days isn't a long time to review the drawings especially since it is to be reviewed by a third party.

Remember, you started dragging this customer less than 48hrs after submitting the final drawings.

24hrs is enough to make a comment on it, who takes 3 days to review a drawing, even when i asked what the problem is he said nothing.

I can see clients taking sides here, but it's well

Design reviews isn't something Any trained Architect should frown at, after all every design passes through juries in schools of Architecture.

However clients should endeavor to bring it to the notice of the Architect that his work must be juried before validation and final payment. It is also important that the client should involve the juror early enough right from the conceptualization stage till the final rendering of the 3D. At this point the job is as good as done.

The Architect inturn should endeavor to elicit requirements from the juror, keep updating the stakeholders till the final rendering of the work. At this point both the client and his reviewer understands clearly the outcome of the design.

This is the reason why I will always say that Architectural design is not a 24-48hr business.
The challenge here now is which professional Architect will agree to go into such agreement at the ridiculous amount clients are willing to pay.

It is an unfortunate situation for the Nigerian Architects.

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BrickDevo:

Wether he asked others I don't care, am telling you the sacrifice I did to ensure he gets a quality work at an affordable rate, holding my money for what I don't understand is not acceptable, since January 26th....

Wow wow . I'm really really disappointed in you with this comment, why because you're a young new comer on this thread, i'm watching to probably consider you with my new projects. Please guys be careful you never know who is watching or reading your comments, character matters a lot. Because of the small charge, if I get you right 26 - 29 that is just 3 days, you already bring the issue to public forum ehn o ga oo. It is well. Ogardinma.

Nigerians are difficult to deal with, that is why the country is in deep, Brickdevo count your loss and move on, one door closes another one opens

kopell:
Wow wow . I'm really really disappointed in you with this comment, why because you're a young new comer on this thread, i'm watching to probably consider you with my new projects. Please guys be careful you never know who is watching or reading your comments, character matters a lot. Because of the small charge, if I get you right 26 - 29 that is just 3 days, you already bring the issue to public forum ehn o ga oo. It is well. Ogardinma.

see when a client start behaving like this, he will not pay, in a week time i will remind you of this your comment and how the client still did not pay, i will remind you.

ngBuild:
Nigerians are difficult to deal with, that is why the country is in deep, Brickdevo count your loss and move on, one door closes another one opens

thank you

UC92:
Design reviews isn't something Any trained Architect should frown at, after all every design passes through juries in schools of Architecture.

However clients should endeavor to bring it to the notice of the Architect that his work must be juried before validation and final payment. It is also important that the client should involve the juror early enough right from the conceptualization stage till the final rendering of the 3D. At this point the job is as good as done.

The Architect inturn should endeavor to elicit requirements from the juror, keep updating the stakeholders till the final rendering of the work. At this point both the client and his reviewer understands clearly the outcome of the design.

This is the reason why I will always say that Architectural design is not a 24-48hr business.
The challenge here now is which professional Architect will agree to go into such agreement at the ridiculous amount clients are willing to pay.

It is an unfortunate situation for the Nigerian Architects.

I posted our chat screenshot, it was never in agreement

PrimeQuay:
These situations are always dicy. I'm referring to payment of balance on drawings

I'll share an experience: I contracted an architect to produce a drawing for a duplex, payment 80% was paid upfront for the job. I told the architect to produce drawing in accordance to govt town planning specifications.

After the final drawing was sent and balance paid, The client took the drawing to town planning, and they requested some changes to pass approval.

Do you know the architect then requested more money to make those changes and refused to modify the work?

So I can understand the need to review the final drawings before the final payment is made.

My 2 cents: As a service provider (especially with things that don't require materials) your work is your legacy and represents you even when you aren't there, you should be willing to make modifications to your work within a sensible time frame. In this case, someone who was willing to pay a person 75% of the funds in trust, will definitely pay the balance. I'm sure he is trying to avoid the situation I mentioned above.

And as many people have stated here, fighting with a client/customer is never a good idea regardless.

@brickdevo In business we all have wins & loses no matter how much due diligence you adopt, it is just how life is. If the client decides to play funny, count it as a loss and keep doing your great work. No shake, the universe that brought you this client will bring more.

Thank you

kopell:
Wow wow . I'm really really disappointed in you with this comment, why because you're a young new comer on this thread, i'm watching to probably consider you with my new projects. Please guys be careful you never know who is watching or reading your comments, character matters a lot. Because of the small charge, if I get you right 26 - 29 that is just 3 days, you already bring the issue to public forum ehn o ga oo. It is well. Ogardinma.

Same here. But I wish him good luck!

ngBuild:
Nigerians are difficult to deal with, that is why the country is in deep, Brickdevo count your loss and move on, one door closes another one opens

The guy has told us he is going to pay.

Am just concerned there are many people here that admire his works.
Why allowing what you considered meager amount to derail you.

MrOkenwa:

Woodwork.

Thank you

BrickDevo:

Don't mind him, the other guy said the client can take however long he wants until he's satisfied before he can make full payment.

One of the rules of business is that people do business with people they like.

The other rule of business is that people continue to do business with people who continue to they feel make them feel good.

As far as I am aware, no one does business with people who disparage them directly or indirectly.

In one breath you asked me to consider you when future business comes up, and in another breath you said the above.

Needless to say, your later comment supercedes the former and there also goes the future business you were looking for from this end.

BrickDevo:

24hrs is enough to make a comment on it, who takes 3 days to review a drawing, even when i asked what the problem is he said nothing.

hahaha I told you didn't i , when it comes to despute settlement forget it property section will disappoint you. I understand though, you are young in the proffession, not that you are young but there's is alot of learning for you to acquire especially in the art of collecting payment. You see there's a difference between earning money and making money, what u just got was "earn money"...... I feel like I should teach u but I prefer experience should do that for you This Year alone I ve received over 3m. I could recommend a movie for you see but I doubt you can rewatch a movie up to 20 times 😊😊😊... Count your loss, the client just played you street.

Brickdevo I ve known you on this forum for a long time and have held you in high exteem. I am sure the money in question here isn't up to 100k or even 50k but if I caught a client like that, he will pay 200k and be begging for septic tank details, that's the difference. We are street and hood, in my drawing days I could gross 500k monthly. Like I said, count your loss and move on, stop responding to them pls.

FEGEITOK is this you? this is the comment i was referring to.

coldcandy:


It is very normal for a client to keep a balance of payments until the service is done to his satisfaction.
Are you a service provider?

Philipgarza31:
hahaha I told you didn't i , when it comes to despute settlement forget it property section will disappoint you. I understand though, you are young in the proffession, not that you are young but there's is alot of learning for you to acquire especially in the art of collecting payment. You see there's a difference between earning money and making money, what u just got was "earn money"...... I feel like I should teach u but I prefer experience should do that for you This Year alone I ve received over 3m. I could recommend a movie for you see but I doubt you can rewatch a movie up to 20 times 😊😊😊... Count your loss, the client just played you street.

Brickdevo I ve known you on this forum for a long time and have held you in high exteem. I am sure the money in question here isn't up to 100k or even 50k but if I caught a client like that, he will pay 200k and be begging for septic tank details, that's the difference. We are street and hood, in my drawing days I could gross 500k monthly. Like I said, count your loss and move on, stop responding to them pls.

I rest my case at this juncture

BrickDevo:

I rest my case at this juncture

forget it bro, something bigger is on the way. The internet is too large for everyone to excel so don't respond to anyone anymore even on mentions. I'm currently on a structure to be built in SA, USA resident client. 450k first, 250k second, 100k third. That's what we call a job not these Camry users. Mtcheeeew.
Go on upwork spend money to get verified on it them study building code like ASC and India code and start chopping dollars and dirhams.Don't limit yourself.

Philipgarza31:
forget it bro, something bigger is on the way. The internet is too large for everyone to excel so don't respond to anyone anymore even on mentions. I'm currently on a structure to be built in SA, USA resident client. 450k first, 250k second, 100k third. That's what we call a job not these Camry users. Mtcheeeew.
Go on upwork spend money to get verified on it them study building code like ASC and India code and start chopping dollars and dirhams.Don't limit yourself.

Thanks

BrickDevo:

24hrs is enough to make a comment on it, who takes 3 days to review a drawing, even when i asked what the problem is he said nothing.

With all that has been said already, it appears that you're not opened to learning and taking corrections.

Wishing you all the best with your future clients.

redgem:


11ft, 12ft, 11ft.. If I am wrong please kindly correct me

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yemi2plus:


With all that has been said already, it appears that you're not opened to learning and taking corrections.

Wishing you all the best with your future clients.

I looked your profile, that SSD for sale send it to me let me pay you 7k first and review it, when I'm done reviewing I will pay the remaining 2k. Ozuo!

Philipgarza31:
forget it bro, something bigger is on the way. The internet is too large for everyone to excel so don't respond to anyone anymore even on mentions. I'm currently on a structure to be built in SA, USA resident client. 450k first, 250k second, 100k third. That's what we call a job not these Camry users. Mtcheeeew.
Go on upwork spend money to get verified on it them study building code like ASC and India code and start chopping dollars and dirhams.Don't limit yourself.

you see people who talk like you do when checked in real life.,,spare tyre you don't have but here you are abusing users of Camry.whats wrong with Camry?If U want to put your money where your mouth is why don't you use your real user name instead of this fake profile you just created.

Bros please help and educate him to learn how to do business with mature minds, I have a question for you though. I don't understand what you mean, he will be disappointed in property section. If I could remember he just registered here less than 5 years ago, for some of us that's been here from the beginning of this forum. Many of us contributed our opinion based on what was presented here, trying not to take sides and be fair to both in disputes settlement. I hope your charges come with a seal of approval.

Philipgarza31:
hahaha I told you didn't i , when it comes to despute settlement forget it property section will disappoint you. I understand though, you are young in the proffession, not that you are young but there's is alot of learning for you to acquire especially in the art of collecting payment. You see there's a difference between earning money and making money, what u just got was "earn money"...... I feel like I should teach u but I prefer experience should do that for you This Year alone I ve received over 3m. I could recommend a movie for you see but I doubt you can rewatch a movie up to 20 times 😊😊😊... Count your loss, the client just played you street.

Brickdevo I ve known you on this forum for a long time and have held you in high exteem. I am sure the money in question here isn't up to 100k or even 50k but if I caught a client like that, he will pay 200k and be begging for septic tank details, that's the difference. We are street and hood, in my drawing days I could gross 500k monthly. Like I said, count your loss and move on, stop responding to them pls.