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Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by MrCodeSolo: 4:16am On Feb 04, 2023 |
Ask a Christian a question about Jesus, and he might answer you with a quotation from Paul. But who tells us Paul speaks for Jesus? Why do we need Paul to speak for Jesus when Jesus speaks for himself? Why do we need Paul to speak for Jesus when Jesus himself warns us: “Be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time?” (Mark 13:23). If Jesus has told us all we need to know, why do we need someone else to add to, or subtract from, what he said? What was Jesus divine message according to the synoptic gospel? How did Paul's teachings differ from Jesus? Jesus teaches the works (not grace) that make for our salvation in the Beatitudes (Matt 5,5&7, Lk 6:20-49) and most elaborately in Matt 25:31-46 but Paul preached that salvation is by grace (unmerited gift) in Ep 2:8-9, a concept that Jesus never mentioned or even implied Paul Contradicts Jesus in so many ways as listed below; On how one becomes a child of God: Paul says: Rom.8 [23] and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. Gal.4 [5] to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. Jesus says: John.3 [3] Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is begotten from above,* he cannot see the kingdom of God. [6] That which is begotten of the flesh is flesh, and that which is begotten of the Spirit is spirit. [7] Do not marvel that I said to you, `You must be begotten from above.* * John 3:3 and 3:7 are the author's translations. These differ from the RSV only in the expression "begotten from above" that replaces "born anew' in the RSV. "Born anew" does not represent the fullness of what Jesus is stating here, and does not correspond to the literal translation of the Greek, anothen (a()nwqen). On the number and identity of teachers: Paul says: 1Cor.12 [28] And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third, teachers, Eph.4 [11] And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, 1Tim.2 [7] For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth. 2Tim.1 [11] For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher, Jesus says: Matt.23 [8] But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. On being justified: Paul says: Rom.3 [24] they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, [28] For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law. Rom.5 [9] Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. Jesus says: Matt.12 [37] for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. On sacrifices to God: Paul says: 1Cor.5 [7] For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed. Eph.5 [2] And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. Jesus says: Matt.9 [13] Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.' On remuneration for preaching the gospel: Paul says: 1Tim.5 [17] Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching; [18] for the scripture says, "You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain," and, "The laborer deserves his wages. 1Cor.9 [11] If we have sown spiritual good among you, is it too much if we reap your material benefits? [12] If others share this rightful claim upon you, do not we still more? Jesus says: Matt.10 [7] And preach as you go, saying, `The kingdom of heaven is at hand.' [8] Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay. On the God of the dead: Paul says: Rom.14 [9] For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. Jesus says: Luke.20 [38] Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living; On the time of the coming of the Lord: Paul says: Rom.13 [12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand. Jesus says: Luke.21 [8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name, saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them. Christians are indoctrinated, that the Good news means the whole new testaments, despite Paul didn’t preach the good news of the kingdom gospel, but the Grace of God gospel. Christians are indoctrinated, that everything in the bible is from God, nothing else but truth , despite God said, Job friends spoke falsely about God. Christians are trained to accept everything in the bible , doubting and questioning the validity of the teaching are considered heresy , Those whom dare to ask will be subjected to modern persecutions such as excommunicated, shunned, demoted, kick out from church ministries. Church have no basic concept of truth and subsequently don’t know how to verify the truth, believing in contradictions is norm just like the ones mentioned above, for example: Christians believe it is impossible to be righteous, but at the same time also believe that Noah and Jobs are righteous persons. Church encourage people to read the bible, but don’t have idea on how it should be read and learned, manipulated interpretations to fit man's made doctrines, Paul letters could contradict Jesus words Main stream churches foundation mostly based on Paul teaching, criticizing Paul means criticizing the church, everybody get offended, they will perceive it as an attempt to destroy the church. Not realizing that God's truth can't be build upon false foundation. when you have actually come to the point of discerning the bible truth regardless of whether you believe that Paul teaches the same as Jesus, it is to me pretty clear if you compare them side by side. As listed and mentioned above. And when you lay Paul and Jesus teaching side by side, It is definitely like comparing synthetic grass over real grass, we the non-Christians know synthetic grass is different than real grass, but a Christian would blindly agree that synthetic or real grass are still grass and so is the pauline-doctrines to Jesus true and divine message. 2 Likes |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by huptin(m): 4:56am On Feb 04, 2023 |
You are just comparing unrelated events together to draw unnecessary conclusions. There is nothing Paul said there that negates Jesus teachings. 2 Likes |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by entrep88: 5:32am On Feb 04, 2023 |
huptin:Many of what Paul wrote were more personalized and his own opinion, whereas some were also mere advise. To be sincere, Paul should not have had much of his books added to the bible, he himself agreed that he was the least among brethrens and not worthy of anything considering his questionable past. But God accord mercy not on merit. Somethings he wrote were more of emotions and sensations. I agree with OP, Christ teachings supercedes Paul opinions, also some of his advice are top notch. 1 Like |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by orisa37: 5:40am On Feb 04, 2023 |
That's the Gospel of MUHAMEDANISM. 1 Like |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by Kobojunkie: 5:43am On Feb 04, 2023 |
entrep88:1. Indeed. So, is Paul really to blame for the many ignorant individuals out there who build a religion around his letters and musings?, 2. Paul is not responsible for that though. 3. Paul did not preach a gospel different from that taught by Jesus Christ as Op assumes. What Op considers a gospel of grace is in fact born of ignorance of the teachings of Jesus Christ. That said, God never gave religion to men -- what He gave to Israel were His Laws. Instead, men built religion around the name of God as a tool with which to wield power and control over the lives and minds of their fellow men with ---- a problem that plagues all religions out there. 1 Like |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by mu2sa2: 5:51am On Feb 04, 2023 |
This post will be avoided like a plague. It's raising issues they will rather brush under the carpet. Words of Paul, a man with brutal questionable past, are elevated to word of god. |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by Kobojunkie: 5:55am On Feb 04, 2023 |
mu2sa2:Why do you assume this of Paul? Does having a questionable past mean one can't become of God? |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by fman(m): 5:58am On Feb 04, 2023 |
Righteousness2 come over MrCodeSolo: |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by Mrkindness: 6:24am On Feb 04, 2023 |
This useless Muslim pigs read Bible upside down without deeper knowledge of the revelation, now they need a Christian to argue with. |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by LocalStandard1(m): 6:34am On Feb 04, 2023 |
I see people full here in one voice and one ideology trying to misinterpret and discredit the Bible and the words and teachings of the Apostles for their new world, woke, Lilith, demonic agenda. Jesus Christ, the all knowing, who called the Apostle Paul into his fold is not man that should make mistakes. Any true Christian reading this post should be wary cos I see many atheists as well as people of the Angel of confusion and blood's religion full here, to mislead and saw seeds of doubt and rebellion. |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by Kobojunkie: 6:36am On Feb 04, 2023 |
LocalStandard1:So Paul is a god unto you? Na you Op dey regard then. |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by AntiChristian: 6:41am On Feb 04, 2023 |
Paul is the originator of Pauline Christianity aka Paulinity! |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by AntiChristian: 6:47am On Feb 04, 2023 |
LocalStandard1: Jesus Christ was not even all-knowing! Jesus had only 12 disciples till he left the world! Na after Jesus left Paul come claim say he saw one light that called its name Jesus! Paul then went on to dominate the New testament with more books than all the 11 disciples Jesus appointed in real time! |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by Kobojunkie: 6:55am On Feb 04, 2023 |
AntiChristian:1. This is wrong! Jesus Christ had at least 120 disciples as of the time He left the world because about 40 to 50 days afterwards, that number experienced the Pentecost. 2. Paul didn't really show up on the scene until what appears to be several years after that. |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by AntiChristian: 10:44am On Feb 04, 2023 |
Mrkindness: You are the useless pig here! |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by AntiChristian: 10:46am On Feb 04, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:The disciples he appointed as such! 2. Paul didn't really show up on the scene until what appears to be several years after that.Yeah! |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by OkCornel(m): 11:04am On Feb 04, 2023 |
See for yourself and conclude.
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Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by Dtruthspeaker: 11:30am On Feb 04, 2023 |
Mrkindness: They are a collection of mad people trying to read the Bible like ants around on a sugar cube. |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by Dtruthspeaker: 11:35am On Feb 04, 2023 |
AntiChristian: You are the ones who are the evil pigs with only a slight difference between yourselves and the dirty stark raving mad man we see on the streets. |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by Dtruthspeaker: 11:39am On Feb 04, 2023 |
huptin: Madmen do not reason normally. Only a madman will take a stick and match it to a generator and say "you see, they are not the same-the same thing". |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by Dtruthspeaker: 11:55am On Feb 04, 2023 |
entrep88: Without a doubt Christ's Teaching is the Guide but what you should see in Paul (which you would not see unless you are a lawyer, which is why Peter warned every layman that Paul's Writings are not easily graspable by laymen) The Law angle of The Word of God and Christ's Teachings (if I say legal now you would understand but legal is Wrong for legal is not Law. Law comes direct from God and legal comes from man) Paul's writings are exactly like a Judgement coming out of Court. From the beginning to its end is about Law and the operation of Law and The Laws of Law! That is why lay people don't get it right and Muslims see that they are clearly and undisputably condemned by sound judgement for they are evil people who do the things that Paul directly condemned with no road of escape. But because Christ did not go into full judgements, as He told us that He did not come for judgments then, they were hoping that they could sneak under God's Eyes with their sins. But Paul completely demolishes that hope hence their personal hatred for him and their crazed fuelled frenzied attack on his declarations and judgement. |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by Kobojunkie: 1:23pm On Feb 04, 2023 |
AntiChristian:Jesus Christ started with 12, yes but as of the time of His death, he had many more. |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by Kobojunkie: 1:27pm On Feb 04, 2023 |
OkCornel:Grace is what saves one from God's Old Law and Covenant. It isn't however what saves one in Jesus Christ. In the context of Israel which the Gospel correctly applies to, reading of Paul's letters isn't the cause of the conclusion described by your person, instead, a general ignorance of God's Laws to israel - both YHWH and Jesus Christ - , as well as their place in the lives of those impacted, is to blame. |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by FxMasterz: 1:52pm On Feb 04, 2023 |
MrCodeSolo: 2Pet.3.15-16 "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." 1Cor.2.14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." Antichristian, Legalwolf Drlateef |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by LegalWolf: 2:09pm On Feb 04, 2023 |
FxMasterz: Is it from a book that you acknowledge to be 'imperfect' that you expect me to place reliance on?? Abeg abeg!!! cc: Potential Thief TenQ |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by TenQ: 2:29pm On Feb 04, 2023 |
LegalWolf:No one has asked you to rely on the Bible! We've only checked out the validity of the Almighty God being the Author of the Quran and its failure mark. The IQ of the writer doesn't exceed the intelligence of an author at par with 16th century arab men. Some mistakes God can NEVER make: 1. Does the Sun set in any water? (murky or not?) 2. Is the reproductive fluid of the man coming from his backbone? 3. Is the "reproductive fluid" of the man coming from his rib cage? (everyone know that the woman produces ovum not fluid) 4. Did a king Suleiman died Standing for ONE YEAR and no one noticed? (stories told children about solomon entered the Quran!) 5. Allah couldn't even be consistent with what he created FIRST? 6. The Almighty God couldn't have prepared rules for PIMPING and PROSTITUTION in His Book for mankind? 7. The True God wouldnt have given out a Married woman to Mohammed as wife (it is called covetousness) Exodus 20:17 You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor" For a book that is perfectly preserved as dictated by Jubril to Mohammed!? How can it be a true book? If Allah doesn't know that he is supposed to be Yahweh in the Quran, some serous impersonation is going on by the best of the Deceivers! |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by LegalWolf: 3:02pm On Feb 04, 2023 |
TenQ: LOL But FxMasterz, you and I all know that the Bible is (grossly, inherently and imperfecly) imperfect. Isn't it? That should make us all smile and be happy. Looooool. Lawrence Anninih, oh TenQnih the future thief |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by FxMasterz: 3:03pm On Feb 04, 2023 |
LegalWolf: When we say the Bible is imperfect, it's because of the human involvement. Humans aren't perfect but God uses human imperfections to achieve His goals in the world. Do you understand this scripture below? 1Cor.13.9 - 12 "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." Those are honest words. The above scripture is the basis on which I told you that the Bible isn't a perfect book. God is the only Perfect Beign in the entire universe. Man is the only tool God can use on earth. God uses imperfect men to bring men to a perfect God. Tell me, is your Quran a perfect book? If your Quran bears this testimony of itself, then let's put it to the test starting from the Amram - Mary problem I pointed out yesterday. How can a perfect book not know that Amram and Mary lived 3,000yrs apart for it to call Mary the daughter of Amram? Once again, is your Quran a perfect book? Was your Mohammed a perfect man? |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by FxMasterz: 3:06pm On Feb 04, 2023 |
LegalWolf: Respond to him. This is not the time to dribble. |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by TenQ: 3:10pm On Feb 04, 2023 |
LegalWolf:CLEARLY YOU CAN DO BETTER BY RESPONDING DIRECTLY TO MY POST Everything I said is well referenced from your Islamic Literatures. BACK TO BUSINESS' I said: No one has asked you to rely on the Bible! We've only checked out the validity of the Almighty God being the Author of the Quran and its failure mark. The IQ of the writer doesn't exceed the intelligence of an author at par with 16th century arab men. Some mistakes God can NEVER make: 1. Does the Sun set in any water? (murky or not?) 2. Is the reproductive fluid of the man coming from his backbone? 3. Is the "reproductive fluid" of the man coming from his rib cage? (everyone know that the woman produces ovum not fluid) 4. Did a king Suleiman died Standing for ONE YEAR and no one noticed? (stories told children about solomon entered the Quran!) 5. Allah couldn't even be consistent with what he created FIRST? 6. The Almighty God couldn't have prepared rules for PIMPING and PROSTITUTION in His Book for mankind? 7. The True God wouldnt have given out a Married woman to Mohammed as wife (it is called covetousness) Exodus 20:17 You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor" For a book that is perfectly preserved as dictated by Jubril to Mohammed!? How can it be a true book? If Allah doesn't know that he is supposed to be Yahweh in the Quran, some serous impersonation is going on by the best of the Deceivers! |
Re: Paul The Apostle Lied! He Contradicts Jesus True & Divine Message. by LegalWolf: 3:23pm On Feb 04, 2023 |
LOL? Is it FxMasterz post I am responding to? Hahahahaha ? And is it a potential thief that you expect me to spending my time explaining ethical concepts to? Oh mind you, remind me of the title of this post please? And tell me how it bears logical implication to your questions? TenQnih the future thief. Hahahahahahaha TenQ: LOL! cc: Potential Thief TenQ |
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