davidnazee:


You have more sense than that Ugbe boy, but your post once again is full of assumptions. we don't learn about history using assumptions or unfounded claims by one group. And I can see you are only picking pages from Ryder's work that suits your narrative. However Ryder's work was never about advocating and proving an Ife/Benin relationship but instead it was about all the inconsistencies and different narratives about the supposed relationship, and He cast a doubt wether such relationship existed.

When the Portugese wrote about Ogane, they could as well have said Ife or whatever name it was known by at that time. The Portugese in their writings mentioned names of places they visited and also names of places the natives told them existed even if the Portugese never saw those places, yet Ife wasn't mentioned anywhere because it didn't exist or had no significance to Benin.

No chiefs ever told Captain Roupell in 1897 about Ife sending a ruler to Benin. Roupell only wrote about a tale he heard of an Eweka coming to Benin. He never mentioned he came from Ife.

Ryder also mention a research done in 1830 by a European on Benin history. He said the eurpoean was told about a white man who came over the great water being the founder of Benin monarchy. My point and Ryder's point here is that even in 1830 Ife wasn't mentioned.

I am not misquoting Ryder's work, it is you that do not understand the purpose of Ryder's work.

Happy Sunday to you too.

It difficult for people to see and comprehend clearly when their thoughts process is heavily biased.

When the Ife narrative was shot done due to lack of concrete evidence, he still went on the assumption that the oba somehow still have to be yoruba in origin, even without producing any new evidence to back up this theory. Evidence means nothing to people like this, they are simply not interested in evidence.

How could yoruba without known strong monarchical system in the 1500th century had given Benin her dynasty. Even the little that became known of the yoruba monarchical system starting in 1800s is now largely eroded by Islam, with more than half of their monarchy being Muslim.

You cannot give what you don't have.

UGBE634:
how do we now explain the Oba title and the strange gods? Can we settle for the fact that the Oba must have been an "Ekue"

Ugbe I have told you severally go and read the works of Gregyboy everything you seek for is up there

Are you aware that that edo state was once in the western region if you remember or you read your history books correctly then you shouldn't be asking why some yoruba idols are found in benin

The idol like ogboni was introduced to the edos when we were in the western region politician in the western region had to belong to this confraternity to gain power and influence, again ogboni its an oyo idol not ife another bubble to burst your ife myth before you start thinking your oromiyan shit from ife


2) sango, orunmila ifa were introduced to benin by edo returnees from areas what we now call indo and ekiti today, oba eweka 11 ascended the throne in 1914 after the death of his father oba ovaramwen he begged edo merchants chiefs who had been overseeing and exchanging trades in the west before the Benin invasion that brought down the empire and gave rise to the new country Nigeria. to return home to help him rebuild back the destroyed empire caused by the war
Most of the edo families who returned back brought in this foreign idols, they brought in the yoruba names that will hear today in benin


For the title oba

That is an edo title

Your brain they pain you.... ugbe to even think otherwise if you're not disguising as edo

You're saying the oba should also be having ogie as is title like his fellow Duke is that sensible, even in the British monarchy everyone else who is related to the royalty bears duke(enogie) and only the head bears the title king or queen so are you expecting the oba of benin to also bear the word enogie of benin if so then the oba of benin would be as equal with the rest Duke which we know is not possible ....


It's only the yoruba monarchy that they have their original title and then decided to use a generic title for themselves which is absurd and weird for having two titles this can be explained because the title oba doesn't belong to them it entered their lexicon sometime, and they found it fancy and decided to use it for their titles you don't need me to tell you why they loved the name, of course the oba of benin influence over them before the collapse of empire was prominent

This is the absurdity in yoruba title

Let's take owo as example
General title : Oba
Indigenous title is: olowo of owo
The Duke : baale

The only off thing there is the general title oba which they all decided to be incorporating into their original titles after the ooni of ife in 1930 first adopted the world Oba to his title the rest followed


This is how monarchy are structured around the world

Title : oba of benin
Duke : enogie

British :
Title : King
Chiefs : Duke



You want everyone to spoon feed you one of the reason I believe you're yoruba

UGBE634:
Olokun did not Originate in Ughoton, Ughoton is a yesterday community, we from eastern Bini extraction believe that Olokun worship originate from Urhonigbe. EKABA festival as we practice it today in Iyekorhiowmon was adopted from Urhonigbe


If you observed I never mentioned Olokun and the others I was very specific

Sango, Orunmila and the Ososomaye juju was definitely adopted from yoruba, it is not what we can contest

Lol were did ososomaye originate from does it sound yoruba


If you cant answer this question I will urge every benin here to press the ban button in you, you can't just make claims because the internet is free to everyone

AutomaticMotors
samuk
davidnazee

You're not edo you swine....

Thebadpolitican:



Ugbe I have told you severally go and read the works of Gregyboy everything you seek for is up there

Are you aware that that edo state was once in the western region if you remember or you read your history books correctly then you shouldn't be asking why some yoruba idols are found in benin

The idol like ogboni was introduced to the edos when we were in the western region politician in the western region had to belong to this confraternity to gain power and influence, again ogboni its an oyo idol not ife another bubble to burst your ife myth before you start thinking your oromiyan shit from ife


2) sango, orunmila ifa were introduced to benin by edo returnees from areas what we now call indo and ekiti today, oba eweka 11 ascended the throne in 1914 after the death of his father oba ovaramwen he begged edo merchants chiefs who had been overseeing and exchanging trades in the west before the Benin invasion that brought down the empire and gave rise to the new country Nigeria. to return home to help him rebuild back the destroyed empire caused by the war
Most of the edo families who returned back brought in this foreign idols, they brought in the yoruba names that will hear today in benin


For the title oba

That is an edo title

Your brain they pain you.... ugbe to even think otherwise if you're not disguising as edo

You're saying the oba should also be having ogie as is title like his fellow Duke is that sensible, even in the British monarchy everyone else who is related to the royalty bears duke(enogie) and only the head bears the title king or queen so are you expecting the oba of benin to also bear the word enogie of benin if so then the oba of benin would be as equal with the rest Duke which we know is not possible ....


It's only the yoruba monarchy that they have their original title and then decided to use a generic title for themselves which is absurd and weird for having two titles this can be explained because the title oba doesn't belong to them it entered their lexicon sometime, and they found it fancy and decided to use it for their titles you don't need me to tell you why they loved the name, of course the oba of benin influence over them before the collapse of empire was prominent

This is the absurdity in yoruba title

Let's take owo as example
General title : Oba
Indigenous title is: olowo of owo
The Duke : baale

The only off thing there is the general title oba which they all decided to be incorporating into their original titles after the ooni of ife in 1930 first adopted the world Oba to his title the rest followed


This is how monarchy are structured around the world

Title : oba of benin
Duke : enogie

British :
Title : King
Chiefs : Duke



You want everyone to spoon feed you one of the reason I believe you're yoruba

I won't be surprised if he still come back and not be convinced by this your brilliant submission. I am beginning to believe he is not interested in genuine history.

UGBE634:
Olokun did not Originate in Ughoton, Ughoton is a yesterday community, we from eastern Bini extraction believe that Olokun worship originate from Urhonigbe. EKABA festival as we practice it today in Iyekorhiowmon was adopted from Urhonigbe


If you observed I never mentioned Olokun and the others I was very specific

Sango, Orunmila and the Ososomaye juju was definitely adopted from yoruba, it is not what we can contest

Have you heard a word like osusu in benin before? Maybe not

Here goes...

Osusu in benin means gathering
Osusu is another word for olidara, olidara is the yoruba word for monetary contributions by sellers

If there is a word osusu in benin already meaning gathering then what makes you think osusumaye is not an edo idol and even to think it sounds foreign


You're definitely not edo probably maybe from the usen part of benin who decides to rebel against the monarchy

samuk:


I won't be surprised if he still come back and not be convinced by this your brilliant submission. I am beginning to believe he is not interested in genuine history.

He is a yoruba man, or probably the part of benin usen who are clamoring to become yoruba

UGBE634:
I want to be able to sleep at night knowing I have been able to resolve this puzzle in history or at least have a clue as to how it came about

You cannot tell me that Oba is Edo when from the length and breadth of the Edo and Edoid speaking area, the only three kings that seem to bear Oba as title seem to come have something to do with yoruba or come outrightly from it.

Oba of Benin
Oba of Agbede
Oba-Oluogbe of Usen

There is everything foreign about the Oba, more so with an "Oba" title

Lol, was the title of oba of agbede always been
Oba or was it a recent contract please go and do your research and come back
Same for usen

This man you need help because it was even in 1930 that the thing of adding oba to the yoruba respective title began show me anything contrary to that

I urge you to bring any documents that date below 1930 that called the two kings you mentioned there oba

Thebadpolitican:


He is a yoruba man, or probably the part of benin usen who are clamoring to become yoruba

The very fact that most yoruba now read threads like this quietly is a testament to the amount of collective work done in the past few years to rescue Benin history from these people. UGBE634 is a lone ranger. All Benin people here have told him that his views are narrow and myopic. It's now up to him. One thing should be clear to him by now, that he is on his own on this and his views doesn't represent Benin. However he is entitled to his own fews.

UGBE634:
Bro Ogies are not dukes, they are kings of Their territories. His influence on the other communities were soft, it can be be likened to the sort of influence the Okaigiesan of Esanland has over other Esan communities. The other Enogies were independent

The Oba seems a foreign stool

The thing is that many of these Enogie stool were not appointed by the Oba and some of them had existed in Benin before the Emergence of Obas in Benin
E.g the Okaevbo of Urhonigbe
The Enogie of Egor
Ogie-amien of Utantan
etc

You're an usen man or must be related to yoruba


Enogie is a Duke

At at time benin had many Civil wars that brought about many distinction in the empire
The history of ewakpe and the osapara is an example of many civil wars benin fought. The European describe benin as people that were always at wars with her neighbors and themselves during the many Civil War some territories in benin would decide to be independent example was the udo history that was a great rival at a time to the Benin the capital due to power tussle for the crown

A very open example is the esan people who fled and decided to be independent
So you coming with a silly example of saying that benin were never one on the set makes you look stupid because even in America the southern part of America once broke away and when they were reunited back the American government allow them to keep some title that were formed during the peorid they broke out....


Now ask yourself if truly the edo mornacy is of yoruba ancestry how come the royalty does not worship yoruba idols like orunmila, isango,
Ifa and Co

samuk:


The very fact that most yoruba now read threads like this quietly is a testament to the amount of collective work done in the past few years to rescue Benin history from these people. UGBE634 is a lone ranger. All Benin people here have told him that his views are narrow and myopic. It's now up to him. One thing should be clear to him by now, that he is on his own on this and his views doesn't represent Benin. However he is entitled to his own fews.

We have done a great job to destroy the myth surrounding our history with yoruba how I wish the palace could do so and come out clean about itb

People like Ugbe would seize to exist

Ugbe is a stubborn he goat who refuses to read, relearn and to crown it all he claims he is not yoruba

samuk:


Oba is Benin in Origin.Even if you were to be right in a long stretch, it's still not enough evidence that the oba of Benin is yoruba.

Today more than half of yoruba monarchs share affinity with Islamic religion, some have even adopted Islamic names and titles, does this now mean that they were no longer yoruba in origin?

In the past Oba of Benin seek the best medicine men across the land, there was no place that was too far. Benin was heavily involved in Africa religious practices and renowned native doctors and practitioners of Africa religion were invited to Benin, sometimes to the palace. Any contribution from these various tribes, Ibo, Yoruba etc, doesn't change the Benin Origin of the Oba.

If you argue that the Oba of Benin is from Ife and his title is of yoruba origin, you have to show that Ife had monarchs in the 1500s.

Don't also forget that Easter yoruba was under the cultural influence of Benin for centuries and they copied the Benin style of monarchy and not the other way round.

Samuel you are getting there, I was there before now, I understand,

samuk:


The very fact that most yoruba now read threads like this quietly is a testament to the amount of collective work done in the past few years to rescue Benin history from these people. UGBE634 is a lone ranger. All Benin people here have told him that his views are narrow and myopic. It's now up to him. One thing should be clear to him by now, that he is on his own on this and his views doesn't represent Benin. However he is entitled to his own fews.

The reason why they are probably quiet is that they are tired of you, they seem to see you as a clown now.

That's a post by macof

UGBE634:
The reason why they are probably quiet is that they are tired of you, they seem to see you as a clown now.

That's a post by macof

So far amongst the Benin on this thread, You have proven yourself to be more than a clown and like I said before you are on your own. You are on a thread where you are against the entire Benin people and what they stand for and still claim to be Benin.

I have been very careful before now not to beleive that your head is blocked and confused as others have been saying, but there is no longer doubt in mind that you are as they described.

Whatever your agenda and ulterior motives are, you haven't be able to convince a single Benin on this thread to join you.

samuk:


So far amongst the Benin on this thread, You have proven yourself to be more than a clown and like I said before you are on your own. You are on a thread where you are against the entire Benin people and what they stand for and still claim to be Benin.

I have been very careful before now not to beleive that your head is blocked and confused as others have been saying, but there is no longer doubt in mind that you are as they described.

Whatever your agenda and ulterior motives are, you haven't be able to convince a single Benin on this thread to join you.

My aim is not to convince any Bini person to join, my aim is to convince myself enough to have peace. Before accepting myself, it took me time, I seem to be convinced enough now, that's all that matters to me

My only sin is that we disagree on where the Oba of Benin come from, you called me a lone ranger, it was sweet to you, I replied with fact that I seem not to be, you started crying.

you guys will not let me breathe, you made me drop some point I would not have dropped because of respect I have for the Oba and the Bini people. if you observed I did not drop those point on time. I had to go all the way to show you I knew what I am doing.

I had known them but I did not drop them on time, you guys pushed me, I had no choice, samuk

Thebadpolitican:



We have done a great job to destroy the myth surrounding our history with yoruba how I wish the palace could do so and come out clean about itb

People like Ugbe would seize to exist

Ugbe is a stubborn he goat who refuses to read, relearn and to crown it all he claims he is not yoruba

We still have to remain vigilant, especially because of those amongst us that have been miseducated or those with ulterior motives, agendas and those pretending to be Benin.

samuk:


We still have to remain vigilant, especially because of those amongst us that have been miseducated or those with ulterior motives, agendas and those pretending to be Benin.

if there is anyone pretending to be Bini samuel, it is the Oba. Oriovbe ore Oba khin

Thebadpolitican:



Lol were did ososomaye originate from does it sound yoruba


If you cant answer this question I will urge every benin here to press the ban button in you, you can't just make claims because the internet is free to everyone

AutomaticMotors
samuk
davidnazee

You're not edo you swine....

I have said this several times!! That boy is not Edo I am even tired of saying it

UGBE634:
You see their story of migration and the age of their stool also seem to align with the age or periods, the Obas of Benin left Ife

Please I want to see were you saw the utese history of migration

Thebadpolitican:



Please I want to see were you saw the utese history of migration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s61AzEwcFE

AutomaticMotors:


I have said this several times!! That boy is not Edo I am even tired of saying it

I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, I thought he was genuinely seeking the truth, but when he started inventing theories that the yoruba themselves avoided, I knew he was a fanatic. As far as he was concerned, he was ready to say anything just to convince himself.

He started out by misrepresenting the palace traditions on Oduduwa, when he was corrected, he said Ekaladerhan died in Ughoton.

He was asked to explain why an established kingdom like Benin would have sent for a complete stranger from little know Ife to come and become their king. He said the Benin people most have been attacked and conquered. He completely refused to see how implausible the story is.

Anyway, how do you convince an Arisco supporter and anyone that lost out in a land dispute with his Enogie that Benin monarch is not yoruba.

I don't know how this so called lone home grown fairytales teller plans to accomplished what an army of yoruba fairytales tellers couldn't achieve on Nairaland.

It's best to ignore him.

samuk:


Oba is Benin in Origin. Even if you were to be right in a long stretch, it's still not enough evidence that the oba of Benin is yoruba.

Today more than half of yoruba monarchs share affinity with Islamic religion, some have even adopted Islamic names and titles, does this now mean that they were no longer yoruba in origin?

In the past Oba of Benin seek the best medicine men across the land, there was no place that was too far. Benin was heavily involved in Africa religious practices and renowned native doctors and practitioners of Africa religion were invited to Benin, sometimes to the palace. Any contribution from these various tribes, Ibo, Yoruba etc, doesn't change the Benin Origin of the Oba.

If you argue that the Oba of Benin is from Ife and his title is of yoruba origin, you have to show that Ife had monarchs in the 1500s.

Don't also forget that Easter yoruba was under the cultural influence of Benin for centuries and they copied the Benin style of monarchy and not the other way round.

A word you cannot digest or eat in your language is probably foreign.

The word "Oba" cannot be properly explained in Benin to make sense, but a yoruba man can dissect it for you

Yet still this is a Bini dictionary that was written in 1937.

I have spoken Edo to the extent I now think in Edo, the word Oba is foreign

Efewestern:


Exactly my point. Why is Oba only found in groups that share affinity with Yoruba? Why can't we find a trace in other pure Edoid groups ?

The supremacy of the Oba's isn't a enough to invalidate some observations. From what we can deduce: Ogie was once used by the Bini empire pre-migration.

Bini is the root. Before Ogie get accepted by all, then we can conclude that it was the right acceptable word for king before a major change in government.

Ogie isn't less than Oba. Both mean the same thing. Only that one is purely Edoid and the other...

@bolded, another valid observations. Most Edoid groups are republican. There's much to know about our past.

you seem to understand what I am hitting at, putting the title Oba above Ogie seem to be putting Edo and Edoid below and yoruba above, Oba and Ogie means the same thing and it is the same thing. Just that one is Edoid, the other is yoruba.

We just seem to have had a foreign culture where centralization or at least semi-centralization system of monarchy seem to be their in thing. That is why the apex monarchy of the Bini seem to be different in structure and pattern from the rest Edoid groups. And when you observe, Bini seem to be the only centralized state among all Edoid groups.

samuk:


I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, I thought he was genuinely seeking the truth, but when he started inventing theories that the yoruba themselves avoided, I knew he was a fanatic. As far as he was concerned, he was ready to say anything just to convince himself.

He started out by misrepresenting the palace traditions on Oduduwa, when he was corrected, he said Ekaladerhan died in Ughoton.

He was asked to explain why an established kingdom like Benin would have sent for a complete stranger from little know Ife to come and become their king. He said the Benin people most have been attacked and conquered. He completely refused to see how implausible the story is.

Anyway, how do you convince an Arisco supporter and anyone that lost out in a land dispute with his Enogie that Benin monarch is not yoruba.

I don't know how this so called lone home grown fairytales teller plans to accomplished what an army of yoruba fairytales tellers couldn't achieve on Nairaland.

It's best to ignore him.

You even give am benefit of doubt ... Me I don clock the i-diot ages ago!!

Efewestern:
Supremacism is the reason we won't get anything right as regards to our historical connections and heritage.

Some things shouldn't even be debated when the facts are there. You can't claim to apply common sense and logic and still believe somethings.

The Oba title debate is funny to me because Edo is the core root of most South Southerners and it won't be difficult to validate some claims. If you say the Oba title was used for over 1000years, then other edoid groups would have retained it in their various dialects.

As we speak, the only title that spreads across all related group is Ogie. Now here are my questions.

* When was Oba first used ?

* Why isn't it found in any Edoid languages?

* Most Edoid groups were very independent from Bini influences and would have adopted the title for their leaders if it was the title used pre-migration.

* Why was Ogie the general accepted word for king? Even Unrelated bini-influenced groups like Iwere used Ogi(e)ame. Why not Oba-Ame?

I believe there is a missing link somewhere. The dots aren't connecting.

Ogie means Duke, present day governor

Apart from benin city other part of benin do not use the title oba, the names who has oba attached to it in benin

Like the popular senator obaragbon
Names that has oba attached to it was named by the Oba himself in the palace to honor a person to see how sacred the name was


Bro there is no contention here

The urohobs have parables that used the word oba to describe the Oba of benin

The ondo has a parable that use the word oba to describe the Oba

There is so many parable that describe and adore the Oba of benin in various edoid tribe and use the word oba to describe him too

samuk:


I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, I thought he was genuinely seeking the truth, but when he started inventing theories that the yoruba themselves avoided, I knew he was a fanatic. As far as he was concerned, he was ready to say anything just to convince himself.

He started out by misrepresenting the palace traditions on Oduduwa, when he was corrected, he said Ekaladerhan died in Ughoton.

He was asked to explain why an established kingdom like Benin would have sent for a complete stranger from little know Ife to come and become their king. He said the Benin people most have been attacked and conquered. He completely refused to see how implausible the story is.

Anyway, how do you convince an Arisco supporter and anyone that lost out in a land dispute with his Enogie that Benin monarch is not yoruba.

I don't know how this so called lone home grown fairytales teller plans to accomplished what an army of yoruba fairytales tellers couldn't achieve on Nairaland.

It's best to ignore him.

You know it does not make sense. It is not an argument you can win. You are actually fleeing, not Ignoring. Anyone who thinks Oba is Edo is either Biheritage, from the Oba's family or highly demented, with very low IQ. The first two is intentional, the last one is sincerely out of Ignorance.

Fight the argument, you are giving me a label to deflect attention from the argument you cannot win. Even you seem to know this truth for yourself

Your second line "Even if you were to be right in a long stretch"

UGBE634:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s61AzEwcFE

Have you made your inquiries if their territores are even close to a yoruba territory

If they don't then we can begin to believe you and your story of ife and question how they came about

So do your research and get back to me

Thebadpolitican:


Have you made your inquiries if their territores are even close to a yoruba territory

If they don't then we can begin to believe you and your story of ife and question how they came about

So do your research and get back to me

This is their 35th Olutese, even though there was a 26 years hiatus.

It seem to tally with their history of migration and the datings the Obas of Benin left Ife

UGBE634:
You seem to be doing the same thing you accuse me of

how will you explain the Oba title and the Ososomaye juju, Sango, Orunmila into Benin city. He makes use of these juju/gods and worship them

If you don't call these concrete I don't know what is.

Why does it seem to align alone with those kings whose ancestry seem to be yoruba. I mean the Oba title

In the whole of the entire Edo and Edoid speaking area
The only kings that bear that are related to or come outrightly from Ife

Oba of Agbede
Oba of Benin
Oba-Oluogbe of Usen

Why does the dating of the Royal line of Utesse and Usen dynasty align with that of the Oba

There is so many replies I gave you and you only responded to one

Who told you ososomaye is a yoruba idol how did you draw the connection to that believe


Again am waiting to know the nearest neighbour's close to utese and egbeta if they are close to any yoruba territory

UGBE634:
because I am not following your school of thought, go and reread my post and see your initial fuckup, we are not mate. I had rated you more than this, you are giving the gregyboy vibe

It's like you went to Auchi too, I have emboldened the "seem" in my own interpretation in case you are sight-defficient

e pain you eh lol.. Calm down.
From your posts and questions, one can see that your are full of confusion and seek answers but don't want to accept the obvious truth.

You claim the Oba stool is foreign but Like Samuk pointed out, large parts of yourba lands copied the Benin Monarchy style and not the other way round and this is a proven fact. So who now is practicing a foreign monarchy style judging with this information?

From 15th century up till late 19th century there was no mention of Ife or the monarchy being foreign to Benin (only in 1830 it was documented as being foreign but from a different place not yoruba land).

Anywas I rest my case with you, you cannot be saved.
By the way, I went to Ekpoma.. Auchi is also a great sxhool.

davidnazee:


e pain you eh lol.. Calm down.
From your posts and questions, one can see that your are full of confusion and seek answers but don't want to accept the obvious truth.

You claim the Oba stool is foreign but Like Samuk pointed out, large parts of yourba lands copied the Benin Monarchy style and not the other way round and this is a proven fact. So who now is practicing a foreign monarchy style judging with this information?

From 15th century up till late 19th century there was no mention of Ife or the monarchy being foreign to Benin (only in 1830 it was documented as being foreign but from a different place not yoruba land).

Anywas I rest my case with you, you cannot be saved.
By the way, I went to Ekpoma.. Auchi is also a great sxhool.

I said it, you write like someone that is weak and lack substance, I said it even Ekpoma is a weak school. The first symptoms of Education is comprehension, if you fail at that, you will fail at anything. If there is anywhere I pride myself in the languages I understand is comprehension, infact it is 💯

UGBE634:
This is their 35th Olutese, even though there was a 26 years hiatus.

It seem to tally with their history of migration and the datings the Obas of Benin left Ife

Lol who they calculate kingship lol.... Was there even an advance recording system then that counts the number of kings
the numbers are just being manipulated to fit any narrative they want


Even when the Europeans tried to count the number of kings in benin it was never complete and inaccurate egharevba was just copying the palace chief and the Researcher


Go and read Ugbe and take this nonsense away from my face

Try and browse the pdf Benin Kinglist before you start talking like a drunkard

The 36th kings the Benin mornachy claims is even a wrong fiquare it could be more or less so going by your explanation you're already faulted

Thebadpolitican:


Lol who they calculate kingship lol.... Was there even an advance recording system then that counts the number of kings
the numbers are just being manipulated to fit any narrative they want


Even when the Europeans tried to count the number of kings in benin it was never complete and inaccurate egharevba was just copying the palace chief and the Researcher


Go and read Ugbe and take this nonsense away from my face

Try and browse the pdf Benin Kinglist before you start talking like a drunkard

The 36th kings the Benin mornachy claims is even a wrong fiquare it could be more or less so going by your explanation you're already faulted

quote]Nowhere the Benin monarchy claim 36,it is 40 but then again some had very short reigns eg ezoti, Olua, Uwaifiokun, etc
So anywhere around 35 to 40 is in order as they will not be dying the same period or inform each other they want to die

If you were to ascribe an average of 25 years to those 35 kings, you would get more than 800 years