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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by UGBE634: 10:14pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
samuk:You people like writing like Edo history or Edo people started out with Oba, who were the Ogies under up till Oba emerged in Benin |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Ofunwa111: 10:15pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
Orhogbua: It's really been an interesting read so far. This topic always lives up to it's expectations 😂😂. To think it's been more back and forth from the Edo men themselves with little or no interference from the Omo Odua makes it more fascinating.. I am still waiting for French baldie to come in 😂😧😂, then lastly how it might likely round up with the Anioma people. I know RedBonesmith is ever ready for y'all on that one though.. Once again, it's been worth the time, keep it up! |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by scholes0(m): 10:18pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
UGBE634 What is the meaning of the Benin name Osamede? 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by scholes0(m): 10:19pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
Samuk what is the meaning of Ovbi Adimila which is a prominent praise epithet of the Omonoba? 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by UGBE634: 10:19pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
scholes0:Literally it means my God does not fall. What it can translate to mean to make sense is my God does not fail |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by scholes0(m): 10:21pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
UGBE634: According to an Edo website, it means God creates the Crown (Ede) https://edoaffairs.com/benin-names-meaning/ If Osamede means what you say it means, what does Omosede mean? 2 Likes
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by UGBE634: 10:27pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
scholes0:You can interprete it (Osamede) any of those ways it would make absolute sense, it means the same thing with Osemwende 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by scholes0(m): 10:28pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
UGBE634: Omo, it is VERY VERY hard to see a Benin man who just say things as they are. You see all these ones arguing here? They are all fonts and have an irrational fear of admitting the Yoruba links of the current dynasty. Maybe they think Edo people will be Yorubanized if they do or somethting. I know the Edos and some other groups might have felt marginalized in the old western region, and yes I admit what sociologists term "The tyranny of the Majority that happened between the Yoruba and the smaller groups that later broke out" due to certain perceived injustices, (and these acts happened in the Northern, Eastern and Western regions) but that is not an excuse to distort hundreds upon hundreds of years of sacred history. I mean, the act just reeks. 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 10:28pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
scholes0: That was added lately, also the annual celebration of Oduduwa by the palace is also new. Benin have two historical timeline, pre-1897 authentic history and post-1897 polical history that puts the oba of Benin at the heart and centre of yoruba monarchs. Don't forget that the most important people in yoruba land are Oduduwa, Oranmiyan, Oba of Benin as first heir, the Alaafin of Oyo as second heir and the Ooni as the spiritual leader or chief priest. What we have been focusing on here is the authentic history not the political arrangements. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Thebadpolitican(m): 10:30pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
Efewestern: You're not edo and you can things missed up First thing first surrender to the fact benin owns the word ogie and the other coinage are merely tribal corruption First you have to note the Oba install enogie, he didn't install kings in delta as Ovie, probably its a corruption of the word enogie that happened over time Again not all title the Oba gives is related to the word ogie and not all dukes are named enogie even in benin, the title of oba of Lagos giving by the Oba of benin is called eleko of Eko, the title giving by the Oba of benin to the owo king in ondo state is called osemawe of owo, Naming depended on the particular oba of benin on the throne during the naming. In a general statement all the royalty that is not the Oba himself would be called enogie by the palace, the name oba is only unique to the head just like president The title oba is a short form it is called omo no oba, the white people shortened it, no elderly one in benin would call the Oba of benin oba without putting omo no' ba which means ( the child that shines for the edo people) that is the title are not just oba which is a short form 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by scholes0(m): 10:31pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
samuk: When you say it is new, How 'new' do you consider to be too new to be discarded? I want to know your time frame. 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 10:32pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
Ofunwa111: RedboneSmith was already here, he got a bloody nose and ran away. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 10:35pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
AreaFada2: ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Anywhere Dem see AreaFada2 Dem dey run! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by scholes0(m): 10:35pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
UGBE634: Yeah, the Ede in Omosede and Osamede are from the "Ede" meaning crown in Edo not from the one of falling. That [EDE] word is part of the vocab that flowed with dynastic change in early Benin, from its form in Yoruba [ADE] meaning crown. 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 10:36pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
scholes0: I believe the annual Oduduwa celebration actually started with the current oba few years ago. I can't remember his father Erediawa 2 celebrating it annually. I also believe the other praise name came in during Erediawa or slightly earlier. None of these existed during Oba Ovonramwen. 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by UGBE634: 10:37pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:[b]As a race, he is Edo and you are not more Edo than him, his perspective is very welcome Binis do not own the Word Ogie, it is a cognate word that was gifted to all Edoid tribes by their ancestor, the proto-Edo. I mean these are related tribes, most words they share with us as Edoids groups are cognate I have asked you there were Ogies in Benin before the advent of the Oba, who were they subservient to?!!! You will dodge my question, you will quickly come and quote him to misinform him. Ogie is king and not duke It does not mean that, stop lying, there is no significant stress on the "ba" to suggest so. It is pronounced the same way the yorubas pronounce theirs 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by scholes0(m): 10:39pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
samuk: Sam, It is not new o. Oduduwa festival has always been a part of a series of festivities in Benin known as the Ague-Oghene. which was meant to celebrate the Oba's paternal ancestors. The only difference was that back then it was all compartmentalized and condensed together. It is pre 1897. Oba Eresonyen de-compartmentalized it and started celebrating Ugie Oduduwa separetely. 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 10:40pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican: You are very correct with the meaning. |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 10:41pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
UGBE634: That boy na complete i.diot! I swear I can't even hide my disgust ... I just can't!!! |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by scholes0(m): 10:42pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
AutomaticMotors: As e dey pain you... e dey sweet me. 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by RedboneSmith(m): 10:46pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
samuk: Bloody nose? The way you people claim 'victory' is very funny. TAO will trash you people with concrete peer-reviewed scholarly submissions. You people will claim you gave her a bloody nose, even when the interaction in which she dragged all of you like small Tiger gen is there for everyone to see. I came on to demonstrate that Ryder was misquoted by one of you. I did that. I put all the evidence out. And then stepped back, because I have no interest in the broader discussion going on here. You came and claimed I was given a bloody nose. By who? How? Gregyboy used to do this a lot with me too, which was really weird, because that boy has never made one coherent point all the time I have known him here. One wonders if this is a peculiar Benin trait - to claim phantom victories. Is that how your empire was also built - on the back of phantom victories? One would hope not. 3 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by scholes0(m): 10:47pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican: Shey you dey whine me ni? What is all these pseudo-history flying around here? 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 10:47pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
AreaFada2:⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Thanks for this insight Boss! 🙌🙌 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 10:49pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
scholes0: There was nothing like Oduduwa in Benin history pre-1897 and Oba Eresonyen predates 1897. Alot was changed in Benin history to accommodate the new Oduduwa polical history after 1897. Why was it ague Oghene in the past according to you and then changed to ugie Oduduwa after 1897? Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan didn't appear in Benin history pre-1896. There is no where in Benin history those names existed before 1897. 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by scholes0(m): 10:51pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
RedboneSmith: Like, I just tire. To be fair though, Ugbe634 has been more pragmatic that the rest of these ones just doing bandwagon activism. 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Thebadpolitican(m): 10:51pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
UGBE634: Another rubbish Egie meaning group of royals or group of Duke Enogie : dukes If you say ogie means king How would you describe a benin prince to someone in benin language pointing to the fact is of a royal blood Ogie means king to a non benin, ogie is a general world the benin use to describe royalty be it the person is a prince, a royal servant, a royal slave Ogie does not just mean king you dummy its a non benin that will call and refer to Ogie as just king you can a Duke(enogie) a king(ogie) The title of the king of benin has always been omo no' ba ( the child's that shines for the edo people) oba is a short form of the word To see others stole the words the only called it the short form the Europeans coined it into Ugbe go and sleep am still waiting for the assignment I gave you earlier today Is utese close to any yoruba territory if yes you tracing utese to oromiysn history is void 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Ofunwa111: 10:51pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
samuk: Nah. He didn't. He actually corrected your bro, by telling him not to misquote Ryder and that was it. He would come if y'all drop false information or history about Anioma, or probably misquote another writer/historian. He's a solid guy ! |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 10:52pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
scholes0: He is right, UGBE634 already presented a screen shot of Benin dictionary said to have been written in 1930s, it's there, scroll backwards to see it. |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 10:52pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
samuk: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This fact funny ooo but tragically true!! Them dey try thief Benin/Edo History while fulani don thief their soul already ![]() AreaFada2 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by scholes0(m): 10:54pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
samuk: Lmao... I am looking forward the next story that you will spin to explain away the Oduduwa mask used in the Oduduwa ritual that was part of the commemorative art carted away from Benin after the expedition. 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by RedboneSmith(m): 10:56pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
scholes0: Yea, I remember arguing with him once about the origin and etymology of 'Idu'. He disagreed very strongly with my position, which I understand. All things put together he is more pragmatic and objective than most other Benin people on here. Another pragmatic Benin nairalander, who no longer uses this platform was bokohalal. |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 10:57pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
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