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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by UGBE634: 10:58pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican: Enogie-means the king, confining the Ogieship to a person Enigie-Group of kings Ogie-king but not confining it to any body Egie-royalty-i have given an explanation to this before you call a royal slave Ogie even royal servant Ogie, na wa o, e be like you be nupe descendants ![]() ![]() Who were they under before the Emergence of Oba in Benin This was the simple question I asked you, you seem to be dancing around, put a straight answer and see if your position will still stand 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by scholes0(m): 11:00pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
RedboneSmith: I saw the Idu thread. Wasn't it the one talking about Idumu/Idumwun (A community of people argument)? I remember him too. Those were old timers when culture section used to pop. 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by scholes0(m): 11:02pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
samuk: The BA in the dictionary is different from the OBA. I may not fully understand Edo but I still know some things. 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by RedboneSmith(m): 11:06pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
scholes0:Yes. I remember him too.The conversation back then was a lot more intellectually stimulating. |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 11:08pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 11:14pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
scholes0: Let me break it down for you. There was once a western region in Nigeria which comprises the following gladiators. 1. Oba of Benin with centuries old documented history by the Europeans 2. The Alaafin of Oyo which the British met on ground as king of yoruba people in 1824. 3. The Ooni which the yoruba people regarded as their spiritual leader. Unification of the region: The people of this former western region were continously at war with each other until the British brought law and order in order to colonised the country. A story was concocted to unite these people under one umbrella. Ife was chosen to be the epicentre of a migration myth. The Oba of Benin contributed his centuries old history which Ife lacked and in return, he inherit or became the heir to Oduduwa fictitious dynasty. The Alaafin became second heir to the dynasty while Ooni whose domain was already chosen as the migration Centre got the least position of chief priest or spiritual leader. This plot unravel when Awolowo introduced tribalism into this arrangements by helping to elevate the Ooni above his assigned position. The Oba of Benin (Akenzua) worked out of the arrangements in protest and demanded for his own mid West Region, which he got in 1963. The Alaafin and the Ooni were left in the western region to fight it out amongst themselves. The oba if Benin left with his entitled, heir to Oduduwa dynasty intact, he now celebrates the annual Oduduwa festival to keep it alive, the Alaafin seems to have gotten the shot end of the stick. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 11:16pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Thebadpolitican(m): 11:20pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
UGBE634: Oga go and sit down I will burst your bubbles untill you reveal your agenda Oga even ogie is a general world for anything royalty it can be used as king for a non benin, It can be used to refer to as a Duke by the benin depending on the contest The title is called omo no' oba not oba, it's called omo no oba of benin not oba of benin oba has no meaning without the other prefix attached Every Duke or royalty can be called ogie regardless of its the Oba of benin or an enogie, Ogie is a generic word for king or royalty The oba of benin can be refred to as ogie meaning king or a royalty, just like every governor or a president can be referd to as government but governor(enogie) and presidentomo no' oba) are their respective titles 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by UGBE634: 11:26pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:you seem to be a Non-entity without a life, this is where I end my argument with you, you have been dodging my question and feeling like a champion, you are a waste of space obviously |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by scholes0(m): 11:26pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
samuk: Wrong. The people of Yorubaland were not CONTINIOUSLY at war. The decline of Oyo in the 19th century led to a huge power vacuum that various Yoruba kingdoms were jostling to replace, amongst them; ibadan, Ijaye, Abeokuta, Owu and the rest which were the aspiring new powers, and that was the period of incessant warfare. Before then, there wasn't any more frequency of warfare amongst the people than in anywhere else or among any other group of people in the general southeastern west African region they were situated in. Ife was never chosen as the epicentre of any migration myth. There were actually dynastic migrations of rulers and in some cases commoners from Ife of old. You think it is easy to cook a non existent chapter into the history of Millions including their Orikis just like that? Let me tell you, before there was anything called 'Western region', Otu Ife had always occupied a sacred place in Yoruba historiography. The people of the Benue valley share something similar based in the old confederation of Kororofa based in Wukari, although not 100% the same with the seeming Ife-Yorubaland equivalent. Some northern Igbos of the Anambra valley had it with Nri, and so many Edoid groups have it with Igodomigodo or Benin. It is't exactly a new thing in West Africa or even the world. Maybe those were cooked up too. 4 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Thebadpolitican(m): 11:28pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
UGBE634: Who do you refer as they to be clear you Mean the utese Can't you call a governor or a common counselour government if yes then a royal slave can be called ogie in that context too Ogie is a generic world like government Egie likewise is a generic word too 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Thebadpolitican(m): 11:30pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
UGBE634: You're a disgrace to the yorubas I will make sure I burst all your lies I will never avoid your question unless I mistakenly skipped it Throw it agsin 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 11:31pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican: Eweeeee ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by UGBE634: 11:36pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:you seem to be waste of space I mean it you are empty, I doubt you are more than 25, I mean the Enogie of Egor Enogie of Urhonigbe And others who were already in existence before the Emergence of Oba in Benin, who were they subservient to, I guess the person you are trying to misinform already knows the right position to take 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 11:38pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
scholes0: Are you saying every Tom, Dick and Harry claiming migration from Ife today, did so in the past? Whilst Ife keep the migration stories going, the oba of Benin is keeping the Oduduwa story going by his annual Ugie Oduduwa. I am not sure what the role of the Alaafin is now in the arrangement. I know he gives out some specific chieftaincy titles in yoruba land. With the way yoruba people and oba are embracing foreign religions such as Christianity and Islam, the role of the Ooni is daily diminishing as well. At the end, it seems only the Oba of Benin end of the stick will endure well into the future. The Sultan have far more yoruba people under his spiritual leadership than the Ooni. Left for you guys, you would have probably sold Oduduwa and Oranmiyan to the Hausa/Fulani in a few centuries. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 11:42pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
Ahhh see blood everywhere ![]() The blood from the west that I have drank on this thread wooow e full my belle oo it's gon last for a long time ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Time for some Ohenhen ![]() ![]() ![]() https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDBhbpktfxI&pp=ygUHb2hlbmhlbg%3D%3D 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AreaFada2: 11:43pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
Efewestern: Efewestern, my uncle is greeted locally as "Ogie mwan ghato kpere". My ancestors before that too. The minute the first was appointed duke, as younger princes were back then and even now. The current one happens know Elawure and Enogie of Utese quite well. They are same dukes. The greeting is literally " Long Live our Lord". Ask any Benin person how they greet their local Enogie or Duke. At least, this is simple enough experiment you can conduct. In the presence of Oba Erediauwa visiting us in 1980 the greetings were: Oba ghato kpere to the Oba and Ogiemwan ghato kpere to our father. Are you implying that people were greeting our father as an Oba in the presence of Oba Erediauwa? ![]() ![]() Haba! To do conjectures online is one thing, at least what I recommended you to do is easy enough. Very cheap. I can even direct you to as many Enogie palaces as you wish. Just go and observe for a few hours. I will exclude our own so that you don't think it was fixed. Kings of England were at one point called "King of England, Lord of Ireland and Duke of Normandy". Did it reduce them in any way or proved contradictory? No! Kings, even Pharaohs were regularly called "My Lord" by courtiers. How did it change anything? There are even more names used to describe or praise Oba and are not seen as contradictory. Sorry, I don't want to sound condescending but we should endeavour to read very widely to get a wider perspective of things. Efe, I really expect you to know better than you are arguing. Samuk Automaticmotor UGBE634 Gregyboy 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 11:46pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
AutomaticMotors: Very tragic 😥 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 11:46pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
AreaFada2: Boss abeg enjoy some Ohenhen! You have done and keep on doing! More grace to your elbow Epa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDBhbpktfxI&pp=ygUHb2hlbmhlbg%3D%3D |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 11:49pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
samuk: Like I swear I was shocked that it was true! That it was solid fact! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AreaFada2: 11:54pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
AutomaticMotors: This your Sunday night groovy sound nor be here o. Where is the Odeku and bush meat to use enjoy this na? ![]() ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by UGBE634: 11:55pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
AreaFada2:The Oba was not a king but an Emperor,an Emperor whose title cannot be interpreted in Benin these Ogies/Ovies are kings not dukes Not those titles those Enogies the Oba is creating now, of course those ones are dukes I would never agree the Ogi-egor or Okaevbo of Urhonigbe is a duke to the Oba of Benin or any of the Urhobo kings or Esan kings, I would rather see it as a king-emperor relationship |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 11:58pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
AutomaticMotors: This is what happens when you try to build a fictional none existence fairytale. Look at how quickly their fairytales is eroding before their eyes. Benin that was destroyed and burned down with the Oba deposed is still standing and waxing strong, Ife and the Ooni that got all the backing from the British Colonial masters and western political class is already fading in less than two centuries of fairytales that was built of quick sound. Today, they do more to claim Benin history than save their souls that's gradually being lost to the caliphate. |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 11:59pm On Feb 05, 2023 |
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AreaFada2: 12:01am On Feb 06, 2023 |
samuk: Samuk, I nor go gree o, I nor go gree. I go protest. We nor go let them dash away our illustrious Ekhaladerhan legacy to some desert goons. ![]() ![]() At least Ekaladerhan nor use Alibaba flying carpet from Afghanistan, na leg he use waka jeje. No heavenly chains either. ![]() ![]() 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:03am On Feb 06, 2023 |
samuk: Fulani don chop their soul true true oo, even one of their monarchs there close to ife was even flaunting his Fulaniness with so much pride and vigour some time ago ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This is what happens when you pride your canoe as a ship , if Eziza blow small breeze now ........... ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:07am On Feb 06, 2023 |
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 12:11am On Feb 06, 2023 |
AreaFada2: Oba Akenzua saw the handwriting on the wall, that's why he hurriedly carried his thing (Ekaladerhan AKA Oduduwa) and run away from the western region. ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:12am On Feb 06, 2023 |
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AreaFada2: 12:14am On Feb 06, 2023 |
UGBE634: And those created 200 or 250 years ago? ![]() ![]() Remember that the status of any ruler has to be officially gazetted in modern times. Is Ogiegor gazetted as a King like Olu of Warri or Delta Ovies? If not what anyone thinks is officially of no value. Ogiegor is part of Uzama N'ebie or junior Uzama. Junior Uzama is led by Chief Ineh. Ogiamien is a junior member of the junior Uzama too. In case Uzama senior refuse to do their job, the junior will be drafted in. Just like Ihama took over from Isekhure, even though Ihama is father of Isekhure historically to begin with. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 12:14am On Feb 06, 2023 |
AutomaticMotors: His name is Oluwo of Iwoland, Osun State, Abdulrasheed. |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:16am On Feb 06, 2023 |
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