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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:18am On Feb 06, 2023 |
See his Yariya straight outta da Caliphate ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 2 Likes
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:22am On Feb 06, 2023 |
Even to this day see how easy it is for Yorubas at their Core to welcome foreign influences with so much Joy and vigour ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Samuk AreaFada2 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AreaFada2: 12:23am On Feb 06, 2023 |
samuk: Oba Akenzua was educated at Kings College Lagos. He knew the language and culture. So nobody could deceive him. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by UGBE634: 12:24am On Feb 06, 2023 |
AreaFada2:is it not because of the politics of Edo south, let me make this clear that Ogie seem to have been reduced to a duke in the Bini practice, because of the fact there is Overarching Monarchy, there is no vacuum in nature, the Oba title that is now accepted as king seem to have suppressed the Original intention, Because, before the coming of the Oba of Benin, they were kings and independent, the emperor role seem to have subdued them to the Position of subordinates in the Bini practice . The Ojies in Esanland are all gazeted, their elites did not allow that stupid politics. The word Oba in the Bini practice has suppressed the other to a subordinate role, so I see why it is hard for those persons who can't think beyond the surface and seem to be Oba fanatic to accept. That is why it is totally hard for our brother Edoid tribes to accept a surbodinate role for the Ogie title because they did not experience the Oba and its centralized system of monarchy, whereby the Ogies now play subordinate roles, they only have the word Ovie/Ojie and not Oba. Enogie is now subdued to mean duke in the Bini practice, because of the Unique system of centralized administration that we now operate which seem to be a sharp contrast of what we operated when these kings were independent before the Emergence of Oba of Benin I would add that the other Edoid tribes did not borrow the word Ogie which seem to appear as Ojie and Ovie in Esan and Urhobo respectively, still means king. And because they seem not to have experienced a centralized monarchy, , the duke system is certainly alien to them. Efewestern Redbonesmith Scholes0 3 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:24am On Feb 06, 2023 |
AreaFada2: Thank God ooo that he cut out when he did because if he didn't even you AreaFada2 can't save us in this culture section ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AreaFada2: 12:29am On Feb 06, 2023 |
AutomaticMotors:AutoM. who be me? I for dey wail for desert o. Nobody for listen. Even all the history I saw being written since I was a kid for nor help me sef. Dem for brainwash more Edo Benin people with Lagos-Ibadan express publishers stories. ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:35am On Feb 06, 2023 |
AreaFada2: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() When I first came on nairaland culture section many years ago their brainwashing machinery was very shiny and well oiled it was only until I started seeing your push back I started having hope oo but now thank God all your hard work paid off because their machine is all rusty and dirty now I even heard no mechanic again to service it ![]() I heard he threw away the spanner saying "The Edo fire is too hot" he can't continue ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AreaFada2: 12:37am On Feb 06, 2023 |
AutomaticMotors: Abeg, wey that meme of girl lying on the floor laughing and Drogba own. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:39am On Feb 06, 2023 |
AreaFada2: Chaiii I don't have it o ![]() ![]() ![]() If someone can help us pls post the meme boss requested oo ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AreaFada2: 12:48am On Feb 06, 2023 |
AutomaticMotors: Actually SW people are very very good people generally. Those from Eastern part are much like Edo people. Whenever I go there, Eastern people don't see us any different. They are very aware of our shared history. I have family all over the area. Some know even our links more than me sef. Some NLers are just too enthusiastic to jump online thinking it is their ethnic duty. Most posting here don't promote the culture more than me. Our shared culture is so vibrant in the East and I promote it in my own way. If we don't promote it, the Edo in those cultures will be lost. And everybody will be poorer for it culturally. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:54am On Feb 06, 2023 |
AreaFada2: Yes oo boss I am fully aware of east Yoruba Ediod roots I was in Akure last month one of the local kings there erected a billboard to celebrate 5yrs ancension to the throne, his last name was "Osamuyi" ![]() Even some of my Igbo friends and associates who served in Ondo have always told me over the years that those people are lost Edo people that they act so "Edo" that there is nothing in looks or character in them that resembles Yoruba .. 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:59am On Feb 06, 2023 |
It is no secret by the way that Oyo/Osun Yorubas act condescendingly towards Ondo people and are always particularly irked by Ondo languages, This I have witnessed with my two eyes because my tertiary education was in the SW, Oyo to be precised !! That is why whenever I see an overzealous Ondo like the one running pantless on this thread I just SMH and move.... ieghe ro!! |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 1:19am On Feb 06, 2023 |
As for you fifth-columnist, Saboteurs and Envious History Stealers , while you Uhundan's are engaging in your ungodly work don't forget this is the Benin Flag ooo from time Immemorial ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 2:10am On Feb 06, 2023 |
Just for laughs ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Alaafin Of Oyo Fights Ooni Of Ife Over Insensitive Oranmiyan Comment AreaFada2 Samuk Thebadpolitician 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 2:12am On Feb 06, 2023 |
Alaafin further said that he had confronted Ooni with various questions in the past, even before Chief Obasanjo at the meeting, but he could not answer them, “instead, he came with books that could fill three baskets”. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by davidnazee: 5:58am On Feb 06, 2023 |
UGBE634: If it was a non Benin person arguing like this I will have more tolerance for their ignorance but for you that calls your self Benin, you are outright dumb. How can Enogie mean "the ruler" yet when refering to the title holder we say "The Enogie" or "an Enogie". Enogie is one word and simply means Duke but a low self esteem man like you will not understand. |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by UGBE634: 7:16am On Feb 06, 2023 |
davidnazee:You seem to beunrepentantly foolish, the word the is an english word. You only use the when speaking English. Enogie-the En there is confering the Ogieship on a person. For instance, you say En[/b]Ogie oghe Egbean. The word Ogie is king, not confering it on a person [b]En[/b]ogie-means [b]the king. The en there makes the Enogie, definite confining it to a person. There was nothing like duke until the Emergence of Obas in Benin. Up until the time of Obas in Benin, who were the Ogies in Benin under, I ask 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by davidnazee: 7:26am On Feb 06, 2023 |
scholes0: Ijesu n' Ogie means Jesus the ruler Ijesu n' Oba means Jesus the King Ijesu ne' Enogie means Jesus the duke, however we don't say Ijesu ne' enogie because he is more than a duke. We either say Jesus the ruler(ogie) or Jesus the king(Oba). 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by UGBE634: 7:34am On Feb 06, 2023 |
davidnazee:like Jesu'noba and Jesu n'Ogie means one and the same thing, just that one is local and the Other is Foreign Enogie and Ogie means one and the same thing I wish Bini has grown to the size of yoruba, where it is spoken by non natives, you guys would have seen the height of this boy's foolishness 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 7:47am On Feb 06, 2023 |
AutomaticMotors: Whilst the Ooni and Alaafin were fighting dirty in public, they created what they call ancient burial sites for Oba of Benin in Ife. Oba of Benin is the only one amongst them with such honour. Although the so called burial pit was excavated by the Europeans that were not convinced about the story and found no remain of human bones, which confirmed what they already suspected. It was because of European suspicious of the story that made them excavated the site. The Europeans have previously documented Benin history for centuries and couldn't find any connection with Ife. They felt their intelligence was being insulted with the Ife fairytale and they investigated and found no connection between Benin and Ife that can be backed up by history. You can see that Ife and Oyo doesn’t even speak the same language according to the Alaafin in that article you posted. The common language thing was Oyo's contribution to the western region unification arrangement I talked about earlier. Whenever Dr Egharevba is quoted in Benin, the Benin nobles usually laugh at the person's ignorance. You can Google the Esogban's reply to the late Ooni when the Ooni quoted Dr Egharevba during the public disagreement on Benin/Ife connection between late oba Erediawa and late Ooni. If not for the fact that Awolowo introduced tribalism and the yoruba are over zealous plus the need to preserve Benin authentic history, there would have been no need to reveal the Ife fairytale. 1. The oba of Benin contributed his centuries old history and got back a very senior role being the chosen heir to Oranmiyan and Oduduwa. The Oba of Benin also got special ancient burial site created for his ancestors, he his the only one amongst them to have such in Ife. 2. Ooni contributed Ife as the centre of migration of everyone and got a lesser role of chief priest. 3. Alaafin contributed the common language and also got a senior role as the second son of Oranmiyan. The story started with Oranmiyan leaving Ife to Benin, he couldn’t stay, but didn't leave until he ensured he left a pregnant Benin princess behind to give birth to Oba Eweka 1. After Oranmiyan ensured his dynasty will continue in Benin, he left for Oyo were he became the Alaafin, he had a second son that carried on as Alaafin. In Oranmiyan's absent from Ife, the Ooni was in charge of the gods and deity as chief priest. As with all this kind of arrangements, someone is bound to become greedy...in this case the Ooni backed up by western political class such as Awolowo and a result, things fell apart and Benin moved out of the western region. This revelation is why most yoruba avoid threads like this nowadays, unlike before. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by davidnazee: 7:49am On Feb 06, 2023 |
UGBE634: Your ignorance is appalling.. I'm trying to help you but you refusing any help. What is the meaning of Ogierioba in Edo language? Or you never heard the saying, "Oba n'Ogie" in Edo language? Do you know what they mean? Also if Osaro is an enogie, do you say in Edo; Osaro Enogie or Osaro ne' Enogie? Osaro ne' enogie means Osaro the enogie. Enogie is one word, splitting it into 2 words is like saying Kingsley is King Sley.. Ogie is a generic word for ruler. Oba (king) of Benin is the Ogie (ruler) of all Edos, enogies are smaller rulers (ogies) in their domains. If you understand the difference between ruler and king you will probably understand difference between Ogie and Oba. Anyways i know your brain just can't comprehend what i just wrote, maybe Efewestern can help you lol.. 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:33am On Feb 06, 2023 |
UGBE634: The eleko of eko is he a king or a duke ? |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by davidnazee: 8:44am On Feb 06, 2023 |
UGBE634: Comprehension remains the most difficult thing for you. See the way you are foolishly slicing words like sliced bread lol.. Enogie oghe Egbean simply mean Duke of Egbean. Saying, Osaro ne' enogie oghe egbean will mean Osaro the enogie (duke) of egbean. Ogie is generic word describing ruler Oba simply mean King Enogie is one word and it means duke. 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by davidnazee: 8:49am On Feb 06, 2023 |
UGBE634: The only foolishness seen here is the one radiating from you.. Even you know your are foolish. 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:00am On Feb 06, 2023 |
davidnazee: I just tire he is trying to force is own narrative Please let's start calling the title of the Oba in full seems the other tribes are a bit confuse about it, if we began calling the Oba title in full as omo no' ba, then they they will know the title is not just oba alone like the yorubas are making them believe and that will bring a sense of belonging to the edo people I notice our elderly one never one day at all referd to the Oba of benin as oba rather they always call in full, omo no' ba, oba is a short form introduced by the European 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by UGBE634: 9:44am On Feb 06, 2023 |
davidnazee:Ogie as a word seem to have been limited in Use and practice since the Emergence of Oba in Benin, I am talking about the meaning, the true meaning of the word before the Emergence of Obas. . In this case, it is talking about the fact that the several kings who go by the name Ogie cannot emerge as Oba (as the Oba, a position which was alien to us and whose meaning we cannot decipher, whose influence we feared. whose might we adore, that is why I refered him as emperor, because we cannot call someone king, whose title we cannot dissect that statement is deep, it is trying to show the dichotomy of the word Oba/Ogie and the conflict between them, it is talking about how one is far bigger than the other in Benin traditional practice. How one seem to have been subdued for another, Ogie-irrioba. Oba'r'Ogie means Oba is king, Oba as a word is not native, when you understand that, you will be good, but I know comprehension is clearly not your forte Oba as a word is not native, Oba'nOgie means Oba the king, the Binis referring to him as Ogie is referring him as king in the language they understand Osaro ne' Enogie is used for description, to describe properly the person you are talking about. For example- Osaro rhio Okhuo ne Meaning- Osaro has gotten married o Someone will now ask, De-Osaro no khin? Someone will now ask-which Osaro The reply would be- Osaro ne' Enogie oghe Egbean Meaning- Osaro that is the king Over Egbean Meaning- Osaro that is the king of Egbean that is why I keep asking, there were some Enogies in Benin before the Emergence of Obas in Benin who were they under When you answer that question, your ignorance is cured for life 3 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 10:19am On Feb 06, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican: He is even more affectionately referred to as Omo as the short version of his title (omo no' ba ne' Edo, meaning a child that shines for Edo) not Oba. His full title literally says he is the one that shines, illuminates Edo. The shining star of Edo, the traditios and culture resolves round him. The remaining part of his title is Uku Akpolokpolo. All these are rooted in Benin antiquity. There is nothing foreign about it. A none native of Edo will not fully grasp the meaning and full title. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Edeyoung: 10:23am On Feb 06, 2023 |
Efewestern: https://www.nairaland.com/7556730/title-called-omo-noba-not |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Edeyoung: 10:54am On Feb 06, 2023 |
RedboneSmith: Rather did many research in benin city he did more writing in benin history than any tribe in Nigeria You saying rather not knowing the yoruba history to draw conclusions in the Benin-ife relationship is absurd If Ryder could somehow trace the benin relationship to nupe then he definitely saw fragment of evidence between both areas, he could likewise have also seen for the yorubas too but non was there and don't assume that the edo environment has somehow eroded it away when we know it was never even there Ryder acted on the agreement of both the edos and yoruba historian on the benin-ife history is not something he discovered himsef like that of the nupe-benin relationship, he went ahead to give it a sense of believe and did is research and found nothing We all know the benin-ife relationship is a political game that was played during the early formation of Nigeria to unite both tribe under a strong political presence No matter how old an interaction between two tribe took place there must be a relics left by the one that was later absorbed |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by bundarina: 11:04am On Feb 06, 2023 |
Not only is it false, only stupid people think an ethnic of people descend from a man, not only is it unscientifical, it belongs to mythology, and the same mythology isn't even believed by most myth keepers. Also, the Yoruba are an ancient group and with large number, they have birthed many ethnicites, including the Edo, not the other way around. The Yorubas were also kind enough to teach their culture and influence, like teaching of the bini bronzes and other arts and crafts. 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Edeyoung: 11:07am On Feb 06, 2023 |
AreaFada2: This is what I have been saying that the word oba is as old as the kingdom Ogiso are myth like every other tribe had in the past they were never rulers, benins old tradition didn't believe on sky kings they believe their gods were on earth, who they to believe to be their Oba who always recarnated not until the European brought the concept of sky kings to benin... If you check old text writing in benin by Europeans you will see all these things 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 11:07am On Feb 06, 2023 |
UGBE634: Most of these questions have already been answered variously in this very thread, you yourself alluded to part of the answer, probably without fully understanding it. Benin society evolved over centuries, Areafada2 talked about the ancient elders or edions who came together to elect one amongst them, Benin went through a series of evolution to become the structured and organised society the Europeans met in 1400s. There were no other well structured society in this part of Nigeria. Even the name Edo have it's own history. During the evolution of Benin various group left Benin at various periods taking with them what was on ground at that time, this is why the Urhobo still referred to Benin as AKKA people because this was the name Benin was known by when they left. They also took with them the traditional institution that was on ground with them. So it's not surprising if they cannot relate with the later name Edo, because Edo came later, during the reign of Oba Ewuare 1. The Urhobo have already left at this this time. It will seem that the Urhobo were not around when the name Omo no' ba ne' Edo involved. Flowing from my analysis above, it will seem that the Igbo that remember Benin people as Idu people probably even have a much earlier contact with Benin than others because pa Idu history of Benin dates further back than Akka. You wrote a lot below but it seems you don't fully understand the significance of what you wrote: Ogie as a word seem to have been limited in Use and practice since the Emergence of Oba in Benin, I am talking about the meaning, the true meaning of the word before the Emergence of Obas. . In this case, it is talking about the fact that the several kings who go by the name Ogie cannot emerge as Oba (as the Oba, a position which was alien to us and whose meaning we cannot decipher, whose influence we feared. whose might we adore, that is why I refered him as emperor, because we cannot call someone king, whose title we cannot dissect that statement is deep, There were no where else in southern Nigeria that had such a ruler you just describe above in the bolded. The fact you do not fully understand how a system evolved doesn't make it foreign. The arguments of scholars that have studied the Benin/Ife connection is that for the Oba to have come from Ife, Ife would have had something similar or close, but Ife had nothing, not even a kingdom. The Europeans that studied the Benin Kingdom understood how long it takes for any society to evolve into the kind of sophisticated kingdom they met on ground in the 1400s. There were no any other such kingdom around then. Ife wasn't even know to the Europeans for centuries later. The study of Ife to see if they had such kingdom in the past that was perhaps lost, yielded nothing. Great kingdoms and empire always leaves behind archaeological treasures. Eg Egypt, Athens, Rome. Apart from few Bronzes whose origin couldn't be ascertain, there were nothing of significant found in Ife. Even the Oro Oba Ado burial pit was empty of human bones. The Europeans lead by Germany and Britain in collaboration with the Edo government are finalising plans to start archaeological works in selected parts of Benin. It's a multi million euro project being financed by the Europeans. In Summary: 1. You cannot claim Omo no' ba title to be foreign because you don't know it's evolution. 2. The full title which is Benin in Origin is Omo no' ba ne' Edo. Not Oba, Oba is the shortened English version. 3. For Ife to be the source of Benin dynasty, Ife would have evolved something similar because you cannot give what you don't have. Scholars that studied Ife and they didn't find any evidence of Ife kingdom. 4. It doesn't make sense for an organised and sophisticated society such as Benin to seek unrelated ruler elsewhere rather than choose one of their own 5. It's even more outrageous to suggest that Benin was attacked and conquered, and the system was imposed by alien. 6. The Europeans once believed the the Benin artefacts were from Egypt, they, like yourself also didn't believe that the black man was capable of evolving such a sophisticated society that can produce works of arts of such standards. But later evidence proved the artworks to be indigenous to Benin. 2 Likes 1 Share |
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