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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Edeyoung: 11:09am On Feb 06, 2023 |
bundarina: You're mad get out of here drunkard Or go back and read from the beging of this thread We are discussing if the benin-ife relationship existed at all and found out it never did you're saying some entirely stupid 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by bundarina: 11:11am On Feb 06, 2023 |
AutomaticMotors: Yorubas are the most ethno pure group in Nigeria. The Arewas, are all influenced by each other's foreign influence, so as the Igbos, Edos, Efik, etc with each other's foreign inputs. Oduduwa was a Yoruba prince. Edo-Binis were and still remain an irrelevant group aside from the bronze work taught to them by Yoruba Smith's. Bini was also a name ascribed to your people by the Yorubas, as Ile-Ibinu😂 (angry land). Mind you, y'all were several irreligious ethnicites, and still are today. The Bini's have nothing and so are always seeking clot from the superior Yorubas. I'll understand too, if I was like you 😂🤷. 2 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by bundarina: 11:12am On Feb 06, 2023 |
Edeyoung: Then why are you crying. It's always you dumb shits discussing your copiums, along with Nyamiri, in this cursed colonial entity called Nigeria. 3 Likes |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Edeyoung: 11:14am On Feb 06, 2023 |
bundarina: Stop saying rubbish make bottle nor go land for your head 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Edeyoung: 11:14am On Feb 06, 2023 |
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 11:31am On Feb 06, 2023 |
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 11:31am On Feb 06, 2023 |
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 11:33am On Feb 06, 2023 |
bundarina: Where did this Balablu bulaba guy come from and what is him saying exactly. Guy you missed road enter this thread? 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 11:35am On Feb 06, 2023 |
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by RedboneSmith(m): 11:37am On Feb 06, 2023 |
Edeyoung: Good morning, Gregyboy. How are you today? I will be lying if I say I haven't missed your incoherence. 🙂 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by bundarina: 11:52am On Feb 06, 2023 |
Edeyoung: Shush abeg |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 12:09pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Edeyoung: 12:17pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
Efewestern: This non edo tribe began to adopt the title oba In after the ooni of ife in 1930 first adopted it as a generic title to his original title ooni before then they were addressed as Ooni of ife sir adeyemi... By the British and the other yoruba monarchs followed suit after the ooni replace sir with oba, including the edo groups that traces their origin to yorubas I repeat all of them bought into the trend all a suddenly, the only exception is a bilingual benin community in benin city that is both of yoruba and edo origin due to her closeness to both tribe Geographicaly the title of their king is olu-tese of utese he knows the tradition that if he attached oba to his title it becomes a problem and as such as been confered as an enogie by the Oba but if he was outside of benin that would have been a different case The generic title for yoruba kingship is olu and not oba but the yorubas didn't used that because it never commanded respect unlike when they used the word Oba, the Oba of benin let them use is title because as at then the benin were still in political alliance with the Yorubas and the Oba even agreed to be one of the sons of oduduwa for political benefit that the benin lacked when the oppression was now so very much in the western region then benin sort to disassociate itself from the false history And leave the western region Again to your last question why are they no ediod sub group using the word oba in Thier lexicon, it was a forbidden to call yourself oba or use the word as a name without permission even in benin city and again most edo sub group were closer to their ogie and the people the ogie govern may not even know the Oba existed apart from the palace Some edo groups used it like the screenshot overthere is an esan name and why it could be found in esan because they constantly had contact with benin through history 1 Like
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Edeyoung: 12:22pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
RedboneSmith: Bleep off bro I don't see why you're here we are not discussing benin-ibo today samuk has done a good job unreveling how we sacrificed your ancestors to our gods Again I am not Gregyboy 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:30pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:32pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Edeyoung: 12:37pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
UGBE634: Yoruba man Sango, orumila are they idols inside the palace if no then you should understand if benin is bothered by neighboring yoruba villages it is normal to have their gods around If this idols are not found in the palace then you should know the edo monarchy is not of yoruba origin Ugbe you're a yoruba for you lying you will meet your fate as soon as possible 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:38pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
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Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Edeyoung: 12:39pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
UGBE634: You're a mad man 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by RedboneSmith(m): 12:39pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
Edeyoung: Don't burst an artery, Gregyboy. The healthcare system isn't so good where you are. You might die. 😂 I was never here to get into this unending Edo-Yoruba feud. I corrected a misrepresentation and went back to the sidelines. And where did Samuk "unrevel" [sic] that my people in Anioma were sacrificed to your gods, and why would anyone be proud of such a display of barbarism, assuming it did happen? 🤔 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AutomaticMotors: 12:41pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
I LOVE THIS THREAD!!!!!!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() It deserves some BOBOTI 🐐🐐🐐 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Ng6jnKVws 🔊🔊🔊 |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Edeyoung: 12:42pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
davidnazee: Even our bronze casting when it was extensively researched on they found out the artwroks were entirely different from the yoruba artwork in the making and design too and even the usage and materials 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Edeyoung: 1:33pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
Efewestern: I guess you have seen my screenshot earlier Are you aware oba never crowned any ruler in yoruba land ogie....but rather a distinct title The Era were dukes were crowned ogie was quiet a long time ago or would I say depended on the Oba So if the yoruba territory didn't use Ogie definitely the world oba should mean king to them the Lagos monarchy was crowned eleko of Eko and not ogie or enogie of Eko, if that was so the word ogie should be widely use in the entire yoruba area but since the title was never introduced then the one which they were familiar with would be oba to refer to their Supreme king in benin The word oba began to florish in the yoruba language in the 1930 more, ask yourself was there any yoruba person before the formation of Nigeria that had the prefix oba, like obansanjo attached to is name If you can find any then I will have to agree to you on your thought But I can show you benin people in European document that had oba as prefix to their name As early as 1400AD in a written document made by Europeans But you can never find any of that name in yoruba land until after the formation of Nigeria like you see names like obansanjo now The owo had a parable discribing the Oba of benin as a man of valour, We adopted the use of President after 1960 you can see how far the word president is so common to Nigerians and we even have songs And parable using the word president does it mean Nigeria own the word president the popularity of a word among a particular does not determine the origin, if ogie was used by all Southerners including yorubas and ibos before the formation of Nigeria trust me no one would admit again the word is a benin word The reasons you're seeing bilingual yoruba benin community galmouring to use the word oba as a title is because of the trend that happend in 1930 within the yoruba monarchs some of them when they have issues with the palace they start shifting to their yoruba ethnic Ask them if their ancestors who ruled them use the title oba to address themselves in the first place The idiot you're supporting is a yoruba man claiming edo Again the popularity of a particular word amongst a group does not always mean it originated from the people Thirdly if we are to assume the Oba of benin is of yoruba monarchy then how come we don't have yoruba names inside the benin palace, names of chiefs bearing a corrupted form of yoruba names how come the benin palace doesn't have the yoruba idols if there was a really a shift in the monarchy But yet we have yoruba idols in benin because we have bilingual villages sounding benin that has yoruba origin but it couldn't get to the palace because the Oba is a full benin blood 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 1:54pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
RedboneSmith: Biko leave that my girlfriend out of it, she has been reading all the post quietly, looking for the slightest opportunity to jump in. On a more serious note, I see a win win scenario for the Benin palace. Others may not fully understand it now. At the moment, it looks like a supremacy battle but anyone with critical thinking ability will understand the smartness of the Benin noble men that adopted Oranmiyan and Oduduwa. Amongst Ife, Benin and Oyo, Benin is the only one that have the solid traditional institution to carry Oduduwa into the future, the oba of Benin is the future of Oduduwa dynasty, pause and think of the implementation of this for millions of yoruba diaspora, to better understand this, look at what the Catholic Church did with the Christian religion that had it's root in the middle east. Jesus was a Jewish but the headquarters of the religion he founded is in Rome and the most senior representative or most holyhead have always be predominantly Europeans. In a few centuries, I wouldn't be surprised if Islam and Christianity overrun most part of yoruba land and Ife itself. We already know what these foreign religions do to traditional institutions. Future yoruba diaspora that subscribe to the Oduduwa narrative and want to experience the African traditional way of life will only have Benin to turn to. The Edo state government in conjunction with the Europeans have already started west Africa cultural district in Benin city. It's been funded by the Europeans. 60 Germany delegates including their cultural minister were in Benin city few weeks ago. Long ago the Benin traditional council insulated the Benin traditions from the modern day dominant Christian religion by creating an orthodox Church for the monarchy and palace. This Church (Holy Arosa) is headed by the oba of Benin, like the church of England is headed by the king or queen of England. The purpose of this engagements for someone like myself is to separate the authentic history from the political history for the benefit of those miseducated Edo people. When Rome fell, they appropriated Christianity and souls of billions, when great Britain fell, they gave the world their English language, when Benin fell they also wrote themselves into the heart of millions of yoruba people across the world through Oduduwa. Very few empires in history was able to do this. Egypt, Athens, etc are almost completely lost leaving ruins behind. The endearing legacy of great empires and kingdoms is to remain in people's heart. Irrespective of what we say here, the millions of yoruba that believes in Oduduwa carries the oba of Benin in their heart. You cannot discuss Oduduwa and Oranmiyan without Benin. |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by RedboneSmith(m): 1:59pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
UGBE634: Can I ask you a small question? I was recently speaking with a man from Umoghun n'Okhua, and he said their greeting is Lamogun. I was under the impression that this greeting was exclusive to the Oba's family in Benin. Are their non-Ọba lineages, especially in Iyekorhionmwon that use Lamogun? |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 2:03pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
RedboneSmith: Lamogun was not always the greetings of the oba of Benin, it originally belongs to Igun Street. The Oba bought it from them. Those that migrated from Igun Street in ancient time before Lamogun was appropriated by the Oba would have taken it with them. 1 Like |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by Edeyoung: 2:10pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
RedboneSmith: This is copy and paste from tao11 |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by AreaFada2: 2:22pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
samuk:You mentioned how Oyo seems to have got the short end of the stick. It was a gang up of sorts. Some have not forgiven Oyo for its dominance in what is now Yorubaland since 1690s until 1820-30s. They feared rise of another politically imperial Oyo. Other Yorubas were much more comfortable with Ife/OOni, a priest, with no true evidence of previous imperial power, aside conjecture of ruling far and wide or mythical rulers/deities. If Ife/Oduduwa was such an empire, why is it that thousands of their princes were famous hunters that left to settle in various forests near a stream, junction or where the shot elephant fell and died? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Wait, not so fast. Lagos-Ibadan express people will soon tell us they went to hunt for human beings. That elephant was just a metaphor. ![]() In life when somebody too do wayo, you go wayo yourself. The only Yoruba nation we respected in Benin was Oyo. At least since 1690s. Over 250 after Benin built an empire in 1440 AD. Respected enough to sign Otun (Northern Ekiti) Treaty with their Aare Ona Kankanfo and Iyase Ekpenede. Oyo can never get the short end of the stick. They gave their language to Yoruba, their imperial history is solid, Oranmiyan is Yoruba most senior prince, he was King in Oyo before being one in Ife. Late Alaafin Lamidi Adeyemi talked history with confidence. I even watched his old interview on Benin and the British. Quite revealing. Oba of Lagos is not popular among many Yoruba today because of his clear message of Benin origin. Some are misinterpreting his other messages to say he came from Ife. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by samuk: 2:37pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
AreaFada2: I do agree with you on the language they gave to Yoruba people, but the political arrangement today seems to place more recognition on Ooni than the Alaafin, I believe the Ooni is a joint chairmen of Nigeria traditional council. How many people will remember Oyo empire centuries from now, how many people today even know that it was the Alaafin that the British met and recognised as the king of the yoruba people in 1824. |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by RedboneSmith(m): 2:43pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
samuk: OK, thanks. |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by davidnazee: 3:33pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
UGBE634: Another lesson for you: To "gie" means to direct or lead the way. "Ogie" is the person that leads.. Ogieisoba; this means no ruler (Enogies, okaevbo) is above the king Oba r'Ogie means King is ruler. Someone like you will say king and ruler means the same thing not knowing that ruler is descriptive while king is actually a title. Same logic is behind Ogie and Oba As for the system of governance before the Obas era not much is known, only that there was Ogisos who ruled all of Igodomigodo. If every part of Igodomigodo was independent like you suggest then each part would have had an Ogiso but from what we know there was only one Ogiso for all of Igodomigodo. This will suggest that all other parts were not independent and were under the Ogiso. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by UGBE634: 3:59pm On Feb 06, 2023 |
RedboneSmith:I will get you an answer to your question later |
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