raumdeuter:
With these conversation I wonder why people are not moving en masse to solar

Waiting for NEPA or electricity to be stable is likely never going to happen since I was a kid NEPA has been like this and showing no signs of changing

If I own a house in any Nigerian city, One of my first expense is to install solar and give the middle finger to NEPA

True - best way to go... however unfortunately for some people who already built bought pretty expensive gens spending another 5million for solar especially if they are not based in Naija, is not a quick decision. Also you might require some rewiring, changing of some aplliances.

We did this 2years ago as 70th birthday gift for an Aunt, cost was around 1.5m for 3bedroom house powers all light fittings ( energy efficient bulbs) pumps borehole and water treatment machine, 1 newly purchased energy efficent Fridge Freezer, All 2 LED tvs and offcourse fans.

Downside - No AC, but ofcourse old lady never uses the AC.

Theflint1:
Solar ain't that cheap either, most don't pay for themselves until say like 5 years, not sure how the battery is supposed to last beyond five years too. I checked the quotation for a 3.5KW + 700W setup with 12 solar panels and it came to about 2.8M.

if you have a house of your own, then it will pay for itself because by the time you add NEPA and diesel fees plus the inconvenience

If chief Olowu is spending 150K a month on electricity, then that is 1.8M a year before generator maintenance which dem fit open shop on your head if you have a major breakdown

nihilistjnr:
I'm assuming AC, pressing iron, microwave are no-goes on inverter?

It depends on the inverter/battery capacity. Depending on the size of the house you might need a higher capacity or doubling or tripling it

raumdeuter:
With these conversation I wonder why people are not moving en masse to solar

Waiting for NEPA or electricity to be stable is likely never going to happen since I was a kid NEPA has been like this and showing no signs of changing

If I own a house in any Nigerian city, One of my first expense is to install solar and give the middle finger to NEPA

bro, if solar was that easy to maintain.. believe me, you don't know better than Nigeria who struggles everyday for power

In my former apartment, it was solar wired.. first 6 months we were enjoying solar and steady light..

The 8th months the battery ran down.. they have been calling different technicians to fix it all to no avail.. they bought another brand new battery.. still they couldn't fix it..

There is a reason solar isn't that rampant here.. not that we can't afford it.. the maintenance is another war on its own

nihilistjnr:


I'm assuming AC, pressing iron, microwave are no-goes on inverter?

Add kettle and electric heater

Also the batteries are finite. And subject to imitation horror stories.

raumdeuter:


How much it generates depend on the power of the batteries and inverter

I did for my folks and I think it was over 2M I cant remember the details but they needed some solar panel, batteries, inverter.

They have electricity 24-7 but for security reasons don't turn on their surround lights cos its risky for your house to have visible lights when your neighbors don't

thingskke this can attract police and efcc to your doorstep

seankafor:
bro, if solar was that easy to maintain.. believe me, you don't know better than Nigeria who struggles everyday for power

In my former apartment, it was solar wired.. first 6 months we were enjoying solar and steady light..

The 8th months the battery ran down.. they have been calling different technicians to fix it all to no avail.. they bought another brand new battery.. still they couldn't fix it..

There is a reason solar isn't that rampant here.. not that we can't afford it.. the maintenance is another war on its own

Could it be that there was too much load on the battery which I suspect the average Nigerian would have done or some people are now doing fake inferior products

Also are you sure multiple tenants were not running iron, fridge at the same time?

Theflint1:
And yahoo, these sort of crimes have reduced violent crimes a great deal.

Although there are some stupid riff raffs that's still disturbing the neighborhood..

seankafor:
thingskke this can attract police and efcc to your doorstep

Your own worry na police and EFCC for old people na thieves and robbers. You having lights when others dont is a sign you have money

seankafor:
bro, if solar was that easy to maintain.. believe me, you don't know better than Nigeria who struggles everyday for power

In my former apartment, it was solar wired.. first 6 months we were enjoying solar and steady light..

The 8th months the battery ran down.. they have been calling different technicians to fix it all to no avail.. they bought another brand new battery.. still they couldn't fix it..

There is a reason solar isn't that rampant here.. not that we can't afford it.. the maintenance is another war on its own

The technology gets watered down to 'help' those who can't afford the standard.

When I first started using inverters (not solar power) the first three expensive inverters I got were pure sine wave and each had issues within a month. getting them fixed was a waste of time. Then I hit the mercury 2kva modified sine wave. A very very simple and rugged inverter. Barebones and it got the job done. But batteries were still an issue.

I was at felicity Solars office last week. The place is full of equipment being serviced. Not sure if it is quality assurance or end user abuse.

raumdeuter:


Could it be that there was too much load on the battery which I suspect the average Nigerian would have done or some people are now doing fake inferior products

Also are you sure multiple tenants were not running iron, fridge at the same time?

bro, there were heavey usage no lie

You know Nigerians once they see free stuffs.. they tend to abuse it

Someone will know it's solar that is running.. he will on fredge, ac and other appliances.. my very good friend and neighbor was culprit to this..

If I tell him, he will reply me, wht is my business..

Later later as the apartment cast.. Nas so we pack comot to another place

GloriousGbola:


The technology gets watered down to 'help' those who can't afford the standard.

When I first started using inverters (not solar power) the first three expensive inverters I got were pure sine wave and each had issues within a month. getting them fixed was a waste of time. Then I hit the mercury 2kva modified sine wave. A very very simple and rugged inverter. Barebones and it got the job done. But batteries were still an issue.

I was at felicity Solars office last week. The place is full of equipment being serviced. Not sure if it is quality assurance or end user abuse.

even the developed countries don't go solar..

Solar is not what you think it is

It's very much expensive and troublesome

Everything is tied to power though. Everything.

Nigeria currently generates her highest revenue from the ICT sector. The potential to generate more from thd sector is stifled by the power issues. Techies and tech firms have to pay exorbitantly for power to stay afloat.

Power also affects the cost of high-speed internet for ISPs. Techies and tech firms need high-speed internet to stay afloat.

India's GDP from ICT alone is almost half of Nigeria's total GDP. Last December, India increased its power production to 410 GW while Nigeria is struggling with 5- 7 GW.

When I researched, because of steady power, the ICT industry is on the rise in India since it powers the sector and makes cheaper internet available due to lowered cost of production by ISPs.
And consequently, clients trust an Indian to complete a gig on time while Tunde or Edidiong can't guarantee that because of power issues. To do so, he has to pay exorbitantly for power and high-speed internet. Amir in India would do so for a cheaper rate - he gets the light and internet cheaper and consistently.

If we fix power, our ICT sector would generate more than 6 times what it does. And that's more money for Nigeria.

These politicians don't get it.

seankafor:
bro, there were heavey usage no lie
You know Nigerians once they see free stuffs.. they tend to abuse it
Someone will know it's solar that is running.. he will on fredge, ac and other appliances.. my very good friend and neighbor was culprit to this..
If I tell him, he will reply me, wht is my business..
Later later as the apartment cast.. Nas so we pack comot to another place

That's why its better when you own it alone and not share the usage with others.
Solar is the way to go if you can get authentic materials because imagine how much dem dey sell fuel nowadays

And I believe this will be the new normal, Jagaban don talk say if he enter prepare to protest nothing will stop him from removing subsidy. No matter how long you protest

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cn3u9n-DkEG/?igshid=MDM4ZDc5MmU=

By that time, it will be harder and more expensive to install solar plus many inferior materials will flood the market

DissTroy:
Everything is tied to power though. Everything.

Nigeria currently generates her highest revenue from the ICT sector. The potential to generate more from thw sector is stifled by th power issues. Techies and tech firms have to pay exorbitantly for power to stay afloat.

Power also affects the cost of high-speed internet for ISPs. Techies and tech firms need high-speed internet to stay afloat.

India's GDP from ICT alone is almost half of Nigeria's total GDP. Last December, India increased its power production to 410 GW while Nigeria is struggling with 5- 7 GW.

When I researched, because of steady power, the ICT industry is on the rise in India since it powers the sector and makes cheaper internet available due to lowered cost of production by ISPs.
And consequently, clients trust an Indian to complete a gig on time while Tunde or Edidiong csnr guarantee that because of power issues. To do so, he has to pay exorbitantly for power and high-speed internet.

If we fix power, our ICT sector would generate more than 6 times what it does. And that's more money for Nigeria.

These politicians don't get it.

anyone that is looking at these politicians is wasting his time .

That's why I don't have time to blame them because blaming them is a waste of time..

I wish a reputable private investor in the league of dangote or Elon musk can tap into our energy sector..

And use the advantage of the corruption in the system to his own advantage..

Looka t dangote.. he has entered into every sector using it all for himself the advantage

Elon musk has brought starlink which is now the talk of the town.. with little or no advert from them

That's the type of thing I like.. if the country is corrupt.. I'll kukum exploit the already corrupt system and use it to my advantage..

We need that big gun to enter our energy sector.. even if na monopoly em wan turn am to.. no wahala

Waiting for gorvenment is like waiting for Christ to come again

raumdeuter:


if you have a house of your own, then it will pay for itself because by the time you add NEPA and diesel fees plus the inconvenience

If chief Olowu is spending 150K a month on electricity, then that is 1.8M a year before generator maintenance which dem fit open shop on your head if you have a major breakdown

Egbon yi sha 😀😀😀
Bros that's like 5k per day naa... Na wetin dem use dem go pay naa so for most we are talking way less than that.. Aside if person fit pay 25k for dstv sub, why cant dey pay 150k for light to watch it?

GloriousGbola:


The technology gets watered down to 'help' those who can't afford the standard.

When I first started using inverters (not solar power) the first three expensive inverters I got were pure sine wave and each had issues within a month. getting them fixed was a waste of time. Then I hit the mercury 2kva modified sine wave. A very very simple and rugged inverter. Barebones and it got the job done. But batteries were still an issue.

I was at felicity Solars office last week. The place is full of equipment being serviced. Not sure if it is quality assurance or end user abuse.

Have you thought of sourcing these solar things from Europe directly to guarantee quality. China products quality might be somehow and US you might have to deal with KV conversion

seankafor:
anyone that is looking at these politicians is wasting his time .
That's why I don't have time to blame them because blaming them is a waste of time..
I wish a reputable private investor in the league of dangote or Elon musk can tap into our energy sector..
And use the advantage of the corruption in the system to his own advantage..
Looka t dangote.. he has entered into every sector using it all for himself the advantage
Elon musk has brought starlink which is now the talk of the town.. with little or no advert from them
That's the type of thing I like.. if the country is corrupt.. I'll kukum exploit the already corrupt system and use it to my advantage..
We need that big gun to enter our energy sector.. even if na monopoly em wan turn am to.. no wahala
Waiting for gorvenment is like waiting for Christ to come again

You are speaking like a capitalist now which I love

Anything left to govt to run, will end up being useless. Look at refinery every govt is doing Turn around maintenance, look at Ajaokuta every govt dey open office for their head, look at NEPA etc now look at NITEL, Some of the younger ones dont even know there used to be a comany called NITEL

I remember Nitel cards, to make calls you will resume at NITEL office/booth by 6am and contrast it to what we have today with privatization

The problem with Power generation is that I heard that when you generate you still have to send to the national grid to distribute in their inefficient manner
You recover meat from dog come give to cat for safekeeping
So back to square 1.

raumdeuter:


Have you thought of sourcing these solar things from Europe directly to guarantee quality. China products quality might be somehow and US you might have to deal with KV conversion

I was at felicity Solar because we were looking to partner with them on a project. They seem to have a large presence in Nigeria. The first thing that came out of our convo - all those fancy solar farms are insanely expensive and not viable. Nigerias market is domestic.

seankafor:
anyone that is looking at these politicians is wasting his time .

That's why I don't have time to blame them because blaming them is a waste of time..

I wish a reputable private investor in the league of dangote or Elon musk can tap into our energy sector..

And use the advantage of the corruption in the system to his own advantage..

Looka t dangote.. he has entered into every sector using it all for himself the advantage

Elon musk has brought starlink which is now the talk of the town.. with little or no advert from them

That's the type of thing I like.. if the country is corrupt.. I'll kukum exploit the already corrupt system and use it to my advantage..

We need that big gun to enter our energy sector.. even if na monopoly em wan turn am to.. no wahala

Waiting for gorvenment is like waiting for Christ to come again

It can be done at cheaper rates by not depending fully on gas it supplementing it with gas.

Nigeria is blessed with diverse water ways.

Paraguay produces 100% of its power through hydroelectricity (dams etc) and even sells to other countries; Norway's is almost 100%.

Kainji Dam project is deliberately frustrated. I've been following the electricity deregulation for a few years now. This year, the FG gave states the go-ahead to produce, transmit and distribute power.

Governorship candidates and Governors have largely ignored the issue.

Only Lagos and Akwa Ibom were really preparing and making plans ahead. Others don't care.

Olowunl01:

Egbon yi sha 😀😀😀
Bros that's like 5k per day naa... Na wetin dem use dem go pay naa so for most we are talking way less than that.. Aside if person fit pay 25k for dstv sub, why cant dey pay 150k for light to watch it?

It's like you live around politicians. How many people even have DSTV talk more of paying 25k monthly for it.

Let's do a small survey on this thread and let's see how many people sub 25k every month for dstv

DissTroy:


It can be done at cheaper rates by not depending fully on gas it supplementing it with gas.

Nigeria is blessed with diverse water ways.

Paraguay produces 100% of its power through hydroelectricity (dams etc) and even sells to other countries; Norway's is almost 100%.

Kainji Dam project is deliberately frustrated. I've been following the electricity deregulation for a few years now. This year, the FG gave states the go-ahead to produce, transmit and distribute power.

Governorship candidates and Governors have largely ignored the issue.

Only Lagos and Akwa Ibom were really preparing and making plans ahead. Others don't care.

states that rarely pays salaries is the ones you want to build for you dams

Itsrm:


It's like you live around politicians. How many people even have DSTV talk more of paying 25k monthly for it.

Let's do a small survey on this thread and let's see how many people sub 25k every month for dstv

I sub 14k5 per month

Not that I can't sub 25k.. but it's not value for my money

I'm planning to order for starlink before this month ends

When I order it.. I'll package my DStv and send it to my village for my mom to be using

seankafor:
states that rarely pays salaries is the ones you want to build for you dams

This is where wahala starts.

Imagine energy sector gets entirely deregulated, and someone comes and pours massive investment in to develop this infrastructur...who will tell them how much to charge customers?

Theflint1:
Solar ain't that cheap either, most don't pay for themselves until say like 5 years, not sure how the battery is supposed to last beyond five years too. I checked the quotation for a 3.5KW + 700W setup with 12 solar panels and it came to about 2.8M.

Absolutely spot on. Why it's that high is that every single component is imported. So this is one area where exchange rate is fvcking us badly.

seankafor:
I sub 14k5 per month

Not that I can't sub 25k.. but it's not value for my money

I'm planning to order for starlink before this month ends

When I order it.. I'll package my DStv and send it to my village for my mom to be using

That makes two of us. We are still looking for anyone who subs 25k monthly.

If you want to deploy solar power as an alternative in a facility you need to do it from the get go. From your building design you will have a system that will immediately shut down if any high power loads are connected to it.

Otherwise you will find that even so called educated Nigerians are little better than maiguard abokis.

In mtn offices they changed all the socket outlets for ups to German schuko becaue staff were connecting stuff like kettles on the ups socket. In my old head office a security guard connected an iron to a ups socket, fking up a 1.5 million naira ups and shutting down the oracle server.

seankafor:
states that rarely pays salaries is the ones you want to build for you dams

So its Alao-Akala, Fayose, Aregbesola that will build dam, Your unborn grandchildren might refuse to come to the world is they know the amount of debt that will be waiting for them for just clearing the proposed land for this dam

seankafor:
I sub 14k5 per month

Not that I can't sub 25k.. but it's not value for my money

I'm planning to order for starlink before this month ends

When I order it.. I'll package my DStv and send it to my village for my mom to be using

Unless you are pirating your TV shows , you may still wind up paying more.

You netflix plus your starlink. And because everyone is now streaming, maybe also amazon. So now what is your TOTAL COST of entertainment?

I always consider this with games too.

If you don't have a data plan with a free browsing period, you have to calculate the true cost of your game - purchase of the game plus data cost. If it is a game like marvels avengers which for some reason every update is 8 to 10gb, your true cost of the game is way up there

Itsrm:


That makes two of us. We are still looking for anyone who subs 25k monthly.

Mind you both you and seankafor are not average Nigerians in income

Think back to your Secondary school Economics or Agric teacher who even qualifies as above middle class

A dam is actually no longer in favor as an energy source. First there are ecological issues, but more importantly, you are now at the mercy of anyone upstream of your dam. Nigerians complain that we send power to Niger. Well that is part of an agreement. Otherwise they can dam the river upstream and we are instantly fked.

Itsrm:


That makes two of us. We are still looking for anyone who subs 25k monthly.

Hope madam is fine. And the car too.