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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by LocalStandard1(m): 7:48pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
Donjazet2: He outrightly presented the solution. Outrightly!! Do you even read? If you did you won't ask the question. Or the post is too complex you can't even understand?! 4 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Etuagievin(m): 7:48pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
Donjazet2:. Quit frankly no rudeness in that post 1 Like |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by ednut1(m): 7:50pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
100% true. The western world is already showing signs of irreversible decay 5 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by harmony75: 7:58pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
Who told you singles or divorced parents don't have time for their children? Many children brought up by single parents are among great people in the society, so you're making a mistake if you despise them. Single or married to must do your part making every effort to train your kids and allow harmony in your home. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by LocalStandard1(m): 7:58pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
atheistandproud: I love that you specified your post is to a Nigerian audience. Wonderful one! Sadly the people up there you argue with are Western, woke wannabes so your post repulses them. Sadly this conversation you put up is even very much the topic of discuss in the Western world today too. What does Jordan Peterson, Putin, Andrew Tate, Donald Trump, even Elon Musk have in common? They all talk about and agree about your very points. They are all recent converts to conservatism. But there is nothing wrong with agreeing you are a conservative, after all is said and done conservatives will be the last standing on this earth. Welcome to the family! 4 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by IbeOkehie: 8:00pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
GloriousGbola: You mentioned the USA. There's very good data on the results of single parenthood. The vast majority of people in prison, murderers, school dropouts, drug addicts and on and on...are products of single parent homes. Belonging to or being raised in a single parent family is the strongest predictor of poverty in the USA...it's a stronger predictor than university education, large family inheritance and race or ethnic origin. That's factual and most people are ignorant of this information. The joke among economists, demographers and such these days is that marriage in the USA is now an elite institution ![]() And this may surprise the OP, families with cohabiting parents - who are not legally or religiously married - are just as likely as single parent families to be poor. And nobody knows why, but that's the data. Out of the hundreds of millions of people in this country, of course there will be notable exceptions. Anyway this is a very dangerous topic. To each their own, everyone is justified in their own choices. Please did Arsenal play this weekend? ![]() Have a good day. 1 Like |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by GloriousGbola: 8:03pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: We have always had armed robbers, killer cops, greedy politicians, cultists, and terrorists. Where did they come from? 70% of this country is people living below the poverty line. Where did these poor people come from? But you know the biggest indictment of this ridiculous theory? The army of budding Nigerian youth misogynists raised in traditional family units. In spite of the so called traditional family unit they are raised in, they hate women and will justify celebrate and defend violence against women of all ages. They somehow have bad things to say about all women except their mothers 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by meobizy(f): 8:03pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
Change is inevitable. Everybody accepts that living things adapt without caring to find out the word means change. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Mpanyi: 8:04pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
Very much on point. Don't know why some here are kicking against obvious truth. |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by shantti(m): 8:08pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
GloriousGbola: See what I saw I stand to be corrected 4 Likes
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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Hassanmaye(m): 8:09pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
atheistandproud:His name depict someone born from"respectable" single baby mama family 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by shantti(m): 8:10pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
So nairaland can be this mature. Wow 1 Like |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by atheistandproud(m): 8:11pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
LocalStandard1: I'm sorry about your experiences 2 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by atheistandproud(m): 8:14pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
shantti: Don't bother, he'll just shift goalposts. Like I said earlier, it takes a village to raise a child but in the absence of that, 2 would be the minimum. Take a good look at all the mass shooters in the US, look at their parenting and a very disturbing pattern will emerge. Should we wait till it happens here? Oh wait a minute, it's already happening just not on that scale but we will get there. Eventually. 3 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by atheistandproud(m): 8:14pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
shantti: Lol, yeah I guess. |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Crumbian: 8:15pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
Donjazet2: I don't know how you read gay into all he posted but so what if he attacked gay people? ![]() And is there a law somewhere that says an Atheist cannot be conservative? ![]() 7 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by atheistandproud(m): 8:16pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
harmony75: I have the academic and peer reviewed data to back my position. I look forward to yours good sir. 1 Like |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Patriotsleague: 8:17pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
Intelligent piece, I have been pondering about this, the erosion of the family ties, and unit in America and South Africa which brings about baby mama syndrome, is the cause of spiralling gun violence in America and south Africa, without morals a people is doomed. The promotion of homosexuality by the Democrats in America further destroys family unit and ties, this will spell doom for the world. The Op was apt, we have been around Nigeria for multiple decades, those of us born in 80's know the stark difference in morals of the youths of yester years and youths of these days, every young girl is proud to be a whoore, a corner has really been turned, it doesn't look good. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by atheistandproud(m): 8:17pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
Crumbian: At least you can see why I refused to engage many people in a quest to keep the thread sane. Everyone has an agenda it seems. 5 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by VeeVeeMyLuv(m): 8:18pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
ednut1:The only thing making them stay afloat is that they still value any individual that is highly talented, gifted, genius no matter what part of the earth where the person originated from whether black, yellow, red, it doesn't matter. See Obama as USA president. Also the Current UK PM. THE moment they stop supporting innovation and people with capacity, the decline into oblivion will be accelerated 10 folds. But here in Nigeria! ![]() ![]() ![]() 7 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by unnot21(m): 8:21pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
atheistandproud: Well written. The family is the bedrock of every society. Just this evening, I bought some vegetables, I bought two bundles, but the seller collected money for only one. While walking away I looked at my receipt and saw the mistake. I went back and told him about his omission. He was grateful and said to a woman nearby who witnessed what happened, he said "his parents raised him well". This statement resonates with your article. A child is like an empty drive which saves data from whatever he or she experiences as he or she grows subconsciously and consciously, this defines the character and behaviour of the child. If the family is absent to imbibe the good values and discipline, the vices of the pleasures of life will occupy all the spaces. 5 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Patriotsleague: 8:21pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Read what he is saying, he is looking at the big picture. The Op is not condemning anything, he is talking about where we are heading, he is painting the picture of things, don't matter whether you agree with him or not, but what he is saying is fact. Morals are fast declining due to destruction of the fabric of society, which is family unit. Homosexuality, immorality, and other vices he mentioned are what is eroding the family structure. He is absolutely right whether you think divorce is right or wrong. 3 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Crumbian: 8:22pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Your own Nigeria must be in an alternate universe for you to make that "single parents were a norm even back in the 80s" claim. Do you even know what a "norm" is? 8 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by shantti(m): 8:25pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
atheistandproud: yeah u r right. What do u think on the issue of not flogging kids. Do u think it contribute to all the anomalies in America. |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Patriotsleague: 8:30pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
atheistandproud:Yes, most of them are selfish, but you are looking at the big picture. Defining the future of our world as per how we are living presently. So many smelly gays here, I wonder what benefit the world derive from smelly gays. Gays are simple minded dummies, who only care about satisfying their depraved tendencies, which is as a result of psychological and mental depravity, gays need straightening out not encouragement on their animal behavior. Gays don't care the damage they are doing to the natural order, and destruction this practice will cause for the family unit and ties, which is the bedrock of society. Gays are small minded dummies, we must not allow dummies who can't control their animal tendencies show us how to live in our world, and mess with our sensibilities. 4 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Crumbian: 8:33pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
Kobojunkie may be onto something though, just not presenting his/her case right. ![]() |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Benrosaria(m): 8:34pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
so you can imagine how much families has collapsed seeing how over collapsed Nigeria is 2 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by etrange: 8:35pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
I am all for a two-parent home when possible. I said when possible cause I believe the peace of mind of both the parents and the well-being of the children have far more higher priority than anything else. Of course, parents sometimes make the sacrifice of staying together just for the children. But there should be a limit to that cause a two-parent family where domestic violence is the order of the day is still far worse than a one-parent family. And a frustrated father or mother is hardly ever a good influence on the children. Therefore, when divorce is the only answer, I say take it. People don't usually get married with the plan of divorcing later. Divorce is like burial. Nobody likes burial, doctors do thier best to avoid it. But you don't shy away from doing it when the bucket has been kicked. Meanwhile, the gender dichotomy in our society is a major contributing factor to issue in question. We must learn to respect each other and manage our expectations. You pointed out how ladies contribute to the problem with thier unrealistic expectations and even exemplified with Linda Ikeji. And that's perfectly true. However, it's also worth mentioning that our men have unrealistic expectations of women as well. It's as if we sometimes forget we are products of the same society and that these ladies don't fall from heaven. Men have evolved over time. But somehow, we still want our women to be like our mothers who spent thier lives cooking, washing, cleaning and taking care of the home including their husbands. That's not practical cause they've evolved too, and we need to learn to give them space to dream and pursue thier dreams just like we do. Linda Ikeji aside, we have many male celebrities who have wholeheartedly subscribed to the baby-daddy trend, and these are some people's role models. That said, I believe the issues you mentioned only serve to usher in the next level of civilization. When you realize that your non working wife will take some of your money in the case of divorce, you'd insist she works the same number of hours as yourself while you also partake in home keeping. When women work hard and earn as men do, standard of living will go up. When standard of living goes up, cost of living will also go up. When cost of living goes up, it becomes difficult for an individual to run a family regardless of gender. When it's difficult for an individual to run a family, then one partner must pay child support to the other. When you consider the idea of paying child support while still not having the opportunity to watch your child grow up, you might end up figuring better ways of resolving your issues instead of divorcing your spouse. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by atheistandproud(m): 8:35pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
shantti: I am against FLOGGING OF KIDS because many people 1. don't know how to 2. overdo it 3. only do it when they're angry and transfer aggression. The problem is not the removal of caning, see the language I used right? Caning or other sorts of corporal punishments represent consequences. The aim was to teach kids that actions have consequences. The removal of the consequences of bad actions is where the issue lies. Even here in Nigeria too, in 2018 I swore I would never teach in secondary schools again when a mother came to defend her indefensible child who brazenly broke school rules. If a child thinks that their actions have no consequences, what do think they'll do? They'll explore more and push the envelope until you see stories like a 7 year old shooting the teacher because she put him in time out. 5 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by IbeOkehie: 8:35pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
GloriousGbola: You mentioned TWO Presidents of the USA so I used well known conclusions drawn from data from data in that country. You can't dispute the data. It is what it is. Perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to why the negative tendencies you're pointing out exist in Nigeria. I have my own theories. In the USA single parent families tend to be poor. In Nigeria the vast majority of the population is poor, including traditional families. This is the overall controlling environment, debilitating poverty and DESPERATION. Poverty tends to produce anti-social, self destructive and delinquent behavior. Though most Nigerians on Nairaland claim that all Nigerians are rich and all Americans are poor...evidenced by the fact Americans have to borrow to make significant purchases. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() So it's a conundrum I suppose. Seriously, I've given you the answer. Poverty has turned the vast majority of Nigerians into immoral, selfish, VENGEFUL and anti-social people....both men and women and most especially the university graduates. 3 Likes |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Nobody: 8:39pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
Personality disorder is real, the ability to shift goal post at will, depending on where the wind blows per week, is a constant reoccurance for them boys here All of a sudden, baby mamaism isn't the IN thing anymore to nl resident males, I thought y'all said it is better to have kids outside marriage than marrying Nigerian ladies? What happened to "Marriage doesn't benefit men only women" regular banter on here? I guess sensibility chooses when it will manifest once in a blue moon, before going back to default daftness and senselessness that is rampant for y'all Bleh...... 8 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by atheistandproud(m): 8:39pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
etrange: An excellent submission. As a man in my early 30s, I am very grateful that I didn't marry in my 20s. I would certainly be divorced by now. I admit it. Men also have unrealistic expectations of women which is totally wrong. We need a reset but that ship has long sailed. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
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