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Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by Nobody: 7:39pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
Penguin2: It is not a matter of whether or not the courts are independent. It has more the do with the facts before the court, evidence and issues for determination. I still find it funny that people don't understand how the court works. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by fergie001: 8:07pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
BluntCrazeMan: I have followed these arguments studiously and can say categorically that INEC fell foul of its own Electoral Act. I have x-rayed Sections 60, 64 and 134 of the Electoral Act, I don't think even the APC lawyers can fault that. However as is traditional with our Courts.... They will go straight to substantial non-compliance. How many agents in the 176000 PUs can ascertain (or act as withesses) that these results were not transmitted? Cancellations or otherwise will commence at PUs, can this be proven? This case reminds me of 2007.... National Elections are difficult to prosecute even for the best of lawyers. Again, this SC gives me absolutely no confidence that the case will be seen thoroughly. No disrespect to them... If I put them side-by-side Onnoghen, Kutigi, Musdapher, Oguntade, Mukhtar... Your guess is as good as mine. 1 Like |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by garfield1: 9:12pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
fergie001: I agree with you.you can't prove it polling unit by unit.even on that day,a lot of results were transmitted and used for dispute resolutuon |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by fergie001: 9:54pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
garfield1: It is good to go to Court, but there should not be heavy optimism. With the time-frame and all that, how can you prosecute a case In a National Election like Nigeria's. 2 Likes |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by BluntCrazeMan: 9:58pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
fergie001: The Section-137 of the Electoral Act 2022 saysthat: “It shall NOT be necessary for a party who alleges non-compliance with the provisions of this Act for the conduct of elections to call oral evidence, if originals or certified true copies manifestly disclose the non-compliance alleged.” I don't think that such a clause was there in the Electoral Act 2010 - (As Amended).. All that is needed to ascertain the Non-compliance, would be: 1. To Get the CTCs of the back-end documents from the INEC’s CSRVS-System for the Presidential Election.. If there are none for the Presidential Election (as was hypothetically predicted), then those of the Senatorial and HOR would be obtained (in order to establish that fact that there was compliance in the Senatorial and HOR Elections which happened simultaneously on the same day). 2. To subpoena INEC Chairman for serious grilling. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by garfield1: 10:02pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
fergie001: What do you think of fct as part of the spread? |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by fergie001: 10:20pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
garfield1:I will use this simple analogy: I want to see 17 boys and Seun in my office. I want to see 17 boys, including Seun in my office. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by fergie001: 10:45pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
BluntCrazeMan: 1. The importance of oral evidence in election petition cases cannot be over-emphasised. I will tell you a story of the cases in Buhari v Yaradua in 2007. The panel had told Mike Ahamba SAN (Buhari's Attorney) to not waste time calling witnesses and proceed with documentary evidence. The man did and the same Appeal Court upheld Yar'Adua for failure of Buhari's lawyer to call witnesses. The Supreme Court now floored the lawyer's ego by saying Buhari had a good case but was messed up by his lawyer. Ahamba was so angry that he petitioned the NJC, using very intemperate language calling for the sanction of Justice Niki Tobi who took the lead judgement and the Appeal Court Justices who misled him. You don't just dump papers in front of the Court without calling those who could say for sure, what happened. In this kind of cases, you don't create a loophole, you want to seal all ends of the case, especially at the trial stage. If you don't call witnesses, the other side will and score a point with you over that. The burden of proof is on the plaintiff who should argue on the strength of his case rather than on the weakness of the defendant(s). When Obi won Ngige in Court, he had 500 witnesses and called 57. In the Uzodinma-Ihedioha case, Hope called 54 witnesses. 2. The INEC Chairman was subpoenaed in 2019. garfield1 2 Likes |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by BluntCrazeMan: 11:09pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
fergie001:In 2019 they didn't make the INEC Chairman to answer questions about the documents he tendered to the Tribunal. He was just subpoenaed to present the documents, and after he did that, he was let off. There were no serious cross-examinations. This time, INEC Chairman should be thoroughly grilled.. His testaments would reveal all the omissions on the side of INEC, which were never supposed to be omitted in the first place.. (Questions like these ones below are expected to be asked the INEC Chairman this time: “Were there Directly Transmitted Results From The Various Polling-Units as required by the Electoral Act for the Sole Purpose of Verification of Collated Results and Settling Disputes that may arise at the Collation Centers?? If yes, was the Direct Transmission done in all the over-176,000 polling-units?? Were each and every of all the various collated results verified with the Directly Transmitted Results From The Various Polling-Units as required by the Electoral Act??”, and so on.) 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by BluntCrazeMan: 11:12pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
fergie001:In both cases,, Seun must be among the boys.. In the first line,, that would be 18 boys in all. In the second line, that would be 17 boys in all. In the FCT argument,, they are saying that FCT is an optional factor. (But it didn't seem optional from the way it is presented inside the constitution). So, is there a way to put the line in such a way that there would be 17 boys,, and that Seun could be an option. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by BluntCrazeMan: 11:34pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
garfield1:Well,, let's see what the final outcome would be like. |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by KanwuliaExtra: 11:34pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
How many times we go talk am? 25% of ABUJA loading. . . . . 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by fergie001: 11:35pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
BluntCrazeMan:Don't forget, that the lawyers on the other side will also be doing their jobs knowing that INEC is expected to be on their side in Court. |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by garfield1: 11:40pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
fergie001: You are correct.you yourself said all criteria for guber and presidential are same so why was it not mandatory for governors to get same in state capitals? Why must fct be mandatory? Is it more important than other states? Now colloquially or literally,when we talk of the component units,we usually say 36 states and fct.they could have said "and in the fct" afterall they started with in each of at least. 1 Like |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by BluntCrazeMan: 11:40pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
fergie001:Yes.. But questions like those ones are straight forward. And their supposed answers are also supposed to be straight forward too. |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by garfield1: 11:41pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
BluntCrazeMan: What is your problem? You see how obi will fail.why should he answer such questions? Is he an it staff? Was he at the various polling units? You dont have what to say |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by garfield1: 11:42pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
BluntCrazeMan: If so,drop this matter |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by NothingDoMe: 11:42pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
Jokay07:Yes. |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by BluntCrazeMan: 11:51pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
garfield1: For the Governorship Elections,, the 2/3 of the LGAs were clearly stated. No mention of the State Capitals. For the Presidential Election, based on the grammar alone, it sounded more like “the FCT must be added to the 24-or-more states”. Thus, it means that 23+FCT is still not enough.. And then, 28-without-FCT still doesn't meet the criteria. Nevertheless, there had never been any prior cause that warranted the need to seek for the proper interpretation of that particular condition. I guess that now is the best time. |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by yemex04(m): 11:52pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
BluntCrazeMan: Okay, for the sake of Knowledge how is electronic transmission of result supposed to be done when upload to the IREV portal is taken out of the equation sir? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by BluntCrazeMan: 11:52pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
garfield1:Heheheheheeeeheheheheehheheeehee.. I seek knowledge here. So, the more I learn, the better for me. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by garfield1: 11:55pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
BluntCrazeMan: Doesnt seem like it.you seem like you have an opinion and you want to force it on others. |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by BluntCrazeMan: 11:56pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
garfield1:If you're the principal of a secondary school, and students of your school won a national competition in Abuja,, who should appear in the television for interviews on how THE SCHOOL prepared and attended and won the National Competition?? You (the Principal)?? Or the Students.?? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by garfield1: 11:56pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
BluntCrazeMan: They were supposed to do that in 1979 but tactically dodged it. 1 Like |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by BluntCrazeMan: 11:57pm On Mar 07, 2023 |
garfield1:Now, let's see how it goes again. |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by BluntCrazeMan: 12:02am On Mar 08, 2023 |
garfield1:Far from it. If your argument is superior to mine, I back down. In this particular issue here which we are discussing,, I have not seen any point that is stronger than the ones I am bringing up. And that is why you think that I am forcing my opinions on others. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by garfield1: 12:03am On Mar 08, 2023 |
BluntCrazeMan: This analogy is misplaced.the supreme court have stated severally that evidences of elections must be from polling units and witnesses must be from there.calling inec chairman won't help obi.obi must call thousands of presiding officers 2 Likes |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by BluntCrazeMan: 12:04am On Mar 08, 2023 |
garfield1:Technology is involved here this time around. (as opposed to all those yesteryears). Back-end is also involved this time too.. (Remember Osun State) |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by garfield1: 12:09am On Mar 08, 2023 |
BluntCrazeMan: The process of judgment are manual and delivery is manual.the backend won't help you.you must call those who were to transmit results to testify.why are you dodging the polling unit evidences? Osun own is different,apc were claiming victory based on 700 cancelled units.obi is not claiming victory |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by garfield1: 12:10am On Mar 08, 2023 |
BluntCrazeMan: That guy fergie summed up everything.it is impossible to prove substantial noncompliance 1 Like |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by BluntCrazeMan: 12:25am On Mar 08, 2023 |
yemex04:Thanks for this question.. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “ELECTRONIC TRANSMISSION” AND THE IREV-PORTAL.. The “Current” System for the INEC’s Electronic Transmission is called the “Collation Support and Results Verification System -- (CSRVS)”.. It is the INEC’s Online Transmission and Online Collation System for the moment. It is the system to which all the results are supposed to be directly transmitted to. The collated results are then used by the Collation Officers to verify the results.. This particular system is not meant for the PUBLIC VIEW.. And it is protected with a very strong and tight cyber-security system. The results that are uploaded into this CSRVS System are NOT in pictures format. They are most-probably keyed-in by the Presiding Officers. In the future, the INEC might develop another better system for the purpose of Direct Transmission and Collation of Results from the Polling-Units., but for the moment, the CSRVS is the current Electronic Transmission System. On the other hand, the IREV-Portal is a portal where the members of the Public Can log in to see the uploaded photos of the Polling-Unit Result-sheets. These uploaded photos on the IREV-Portal are just there for the viewing. The only function of the IREV-Portal is just for the viewership-sake of the members of the public. The protection security of the IREV-Portal is not as strong and as tight as that of the CSRVS System. |
Re: Verification Of Results Using “Directly Transmitted Results” Is Highly Mandatory by BluntCrazeMan: 12:27am On Mar 08, 2023 |
garfield1:Ok naa.. At least,, I got your drift.. And I can assure you,, I have taken good note of that too. |
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