ono:
But all these past two years Demonrats have made it extremely difficult to believe their version of what happened.

To borrow a phrase, politicians on both sides have rats amongst them, which is why you must not believe, period. And I mean, anything at all!

Even in the book most read it is written, believe is what demons do, so why chose to be ignorant and emulate the trembling of demons if/when you can test every spirit?

Ono. Only ignorant lazy people believe.

ono:
Think about it buda, for a second. Is it really possible that those guys who were at the Capitol on J6 really went there to overthrow the US government ? Do you know what that entails ?

Ono, not one of the Jan 6 capitol rioter was jailed for "there to overthrow the US government". Not a single one that I know of, least. So perhaps first provide me with evidence of "there to overthrow the US government" instead of asking me to Ono my mind with imaginary thoughts.

ono:
I’m sorry buda. I don’t agree with you. We’ve never agreed on most things anyways. So.

If you agree with me on anything, you would have just stopped believing q and tucker and started to believe buda, and to that I say Ono!

I'd rather you consider the evidence you diligently seek for yourself so you may know instead. Just don't go seeking only Qanon. You lie to yourself if you do.

ono:


Tucker’s version of what transpired on J6 is overwhelmingly convincing. I will not argue any further.

I want to agree with you that we should double check information before coming to post stuff. But all these past two years Demonrats have made it extremely difficult to believe their version of what happened. They basically showed what supported their narrative that there was a “violent insurrection”.

Think about it buda, for a second. Is it really possible that those guys who were at the Capitol on J6 really went there to overthrow the US government ? Do you know what that entails ?

I’m sorry buda. I don’t agree with you. We’ve never agreed on most things anyways. So.

I think the question you should consider is why why you think Tucker was overwhelmingly convincing.
Read this article about some of his texts between him and his producer re: Jan. 6th. They tell a different story of his concern than what he is expressing now.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/brutal-new-texts-reveal-tucker-carlson-and-producer-horrified-by-deadly-trump-anger-spiral-on-jan-6/

And here is the DOJ convicting Oath Keepers for seditious conspiracy for Jan. 6th. Remember, this verdict had to be unanimous.. meaning 12 jurors out of 12 found that they were guilty.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3755252-oath-keepers-leader-found-guilty-of-seditious-conspiracy/
There was a plan to overtake and hold hostage Congress drawn up complete with a weapons cache stored at a local hotel if they needed them. Hence the conviction. Yes, the plan wasn't wasn't up to snuff, but a lot of what didn't happened were thanks to those police who were in hand to hand combat with people at the doors, which gave the Congress just enough time to evacuate. Imagine what could have happened if they had caught Pelosi or some other congressperson.

I watched it live and was in shock, shock at how any of it was possible and why there was no backup coming. And months later, the one thing that reminded how crazy that day was the texts of the Secret Service agents protecting Pence, who have an understanding they may aways die in duty. They had text their family (wives. etc) goodbyes, because they thought/were in fear they may die that day. It's reprehensible for Tucker Carlson to spin it they way he did.

budaatum:


Ono, not one of the Jan 6 capitol rioter was jailed for "there to overthrow the US government". Not a single one that I know of, least. So perhaps first provide me with evidence of "there to overthrow the US government" instead of asking me to Ono my mind with imaginary thoughts.

Leaders of the Oath Keepers were convicted of Seditious Conspiracy.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3755252-oath-keepers-leader-found-guilty-of-seditious-conspiracy/
Definition of Seditious Conspiracy and a screenshot of the article.

IjeBos:


Leaders of the Oath Keepers were convicted of Seditious Conspiracy.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3755252-oath-keepers-leader-found-guilty-of-seditious-conspiracy/
Definition of Seditious Conspiracy and a screenshot of the article.

That does qualify. They were not just Capitol Rioters however, but also planners of a riot of sedition. Their sentence is up to 20 years, unlike the mere 7 for Capitol Rioter.

budaatum:


It was a stroke. Go read up on causes of stroke and stress then tell me what you find.

To be honest, if you don't understand the suicides, I'm best leaving you to it.

You are wasting your time and bandwidth arguing with benalvino3 and his alter ego basilico. Someone that believes Goerge Floyd died of drug overdose and not the knee on his wind pipe (neck) is the person that you are trying to convince that internal injury or excessive stress can lead to stroke.

I've been watching these Hearings the extreme ultramaga GOP reps are holding and one thing is clear..

They

Are

An

Utter

Disgrace

Damn, they don't send their best to Congress at all. So laughable and comedic.

Someone like basilico loco thinks these brainless people will take over the presidency and win Congress in 2024? I can't laugh harder.

ono:


Tucker’s version of what transpired on J6 is overwhelmingly convincing. I will not argue any further.

I want to agree with you that we should double check information before coming to post stuff. But all these past two years Demonrats have made it extremely difficult to believe their version of what happened. They basically showed what supported their narrative that there was a “violent insurrection”.

Think about it buda, for a second. Is it really possible that those guys who were at the Capitol on J6 really went there to overthrow the US government ? Do you know what that entails ?

I’m sorry buda. I don’t agree with you. We’ve never agreed on most things anyways. So.

Oh No!
Ohhh Nooo!

You see? There's nothing positive about your name or whatever.

Ono can be referred to as a Weak Slimpery Dick in some languages.

None of you magats had the gall to spout these lies until cucker tarlson gave the marching orders. Propaganda baby.

Hypocrite kee you dia.

Anyone here read the 7 book of Moses ?
Is it a good book to read ?
Do I need to grow dread to read it ?

IjeBos:


I think the question you should consider is why why you think Tucker was overwhelmingly convincing.
Read this article about some of his texts between him and his producer re: Jan. 6th. They tell a different story of his concern than what he is expressing now.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/brutal-new-texts-reveal-tucker-carlson-and-producer-horrified-by-deadly-trump-anger-spiral-on-jan-6/

And here is the DOJ convicting Oath Keepers for seditious conspiracy for Jan. 6th. Remember, this verdict had to be unanimous.. meaning 12 jurors out of 12 found that they were guilty.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3755252-oath-keepers-leader-found-guilty-of-seditious-conspiracy/
There was a plan to overtake and hold hostage Congress drawn up complete with a weapons cache stored at a local hotel if they needed them. Hence the conviction. Yes, the plan wasn't wasn't up to snuff, but a lot of what didn't happened were thanks to those police who were in hand to hand combat with people at the doors, which gave the Congress just enough time to evacuate. Imagine what could have happened if they had caught Pelosi or some other congressperson.

I watched it live and was in shock, shock at how any of it was possible and why there was no backup coming. And months later, the one thing that reminded how crazy that day was the texts of the Secret Service agents protecting Pence, who have an understanding they may aways die in duty. They had text their family (wives. etc) goodbyes, because they thought/were in fear they may die that day. It's reprehensible for Tucker Carlson to spin it they way he did.

The highlighted bit of your post.

- I mean, c'mon man! Piglosi, Browser and McConnel knew such a huge crowd will descend on the Capitol. Why didn't they make provision for law enforcement backup to protect the building?
- Trump on his part has said, repeatedly too - over the past 2 years, that he specifically requested for the National Guard to be deployed for the event. It was turned down by Piglosi and Mayor Browser.
- The Capitol Police Chief, corroborated Trump's claim. He too requested for back-up from Piglosi's office. Someone in her office told him "it wasn't necessary - will not "provide the right optics".

How and why should I believe all you wrote up there?

ono:


The highlighted bit of your post.

- I mean, c'mon man! Piglosi, Browser and McConnel knew such a huge crowd will descend on the Capitol. Why didn't they make provision for law enforcement backup to protect the building?
- Trump on his part has said, repeatedly too - over the past 2 years, that he specifically requested for the National Guard to be deployed for the event. It was turned down by Piglosi and Mayor Browser.
- The Capitol Police Chief, corroborated Trump's claim. He too requested for back-up from Piglosi's office. Someone in her office told him "it wasn't necessary - will not "provide the right optics".

How and why should I believe all you wrote up there?

Most of what you posted is not true and talking points I know have been propagating via right wing media. You should have watched the 1/6 hearings. There was a lot of good information provided.. all by Trump's own people. Ex. The Capital Police Chief never said that. That narrative is false. I'm not relitigating it for you since the information is out there. It's your choice to to go find it, and find sources that actually report truthfully and also stop listening to the same people who continuously lie to you.

So, you don't need to believe me. I assume you're here to discuss and learn things. I presented you facts, backed with sources. It's your choice what you do with it. I don't think it's a badge of honor to continue to repeat propaganda(your post) or continue to be wrong. At least not for me.

wirinet:

You are wasting your time and bandwidth arguing with benalvino3 and his alter ego basilico. Someone that believes Goerge Floyd died of drug overdose and not the knee on his wind pipe (neck) is the person that you are trying to convince that internal injury or excessive stress can lead to stroke.

I am not trying to convince benalvino3 and his alter ego basilico. I am simply stating the facts as I know them to be knowing others apart from benalvino3 and his alter ego basilico will read it too and decide for themselves. Besides, it's a slow day in chess word and I am bored.

armyofone:
Anyone here read the 7 book of Moses ?
Is it a good book to read ?
Do I need to grow dread to read it ?

More like watch pictures than read. Though it would help with learning to speak in tongues. Try it. Tell us if you grow dreads.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/grim/moses7/m700.htm

ono:
How and why should I believe all you wrote up there?

How and why should you believe anything at all?

IjeBos:


Most of what you posted is not true and talking points I know have been propagating via right wing media. You should have watched the 1/6 hearings. There was a lot of good information provided.. all by Trump's own people. Ex. The Capital Police Chief never said that. That narrative is false. I'm not relitigating it for you since the information is out there. It's your choice to to go find it, and find sources that actually report truthfully and also stop listening to the same people who continuously lie to you.

So, you don't need to believe me. I assume you're here to discuss and learn things. I presented you facts, backed with sources. It's your choice what you do with it. I don't think it's a badge of honor to continue to repeat propaganda(your post) or continue to be wrong. At least not for me.

It's one thing to read what's said, written and blown out of proportion as the "truth". It's another thing to think through these "truths" - for and by yourself and make clear logical deductions.

I watched the ex Capitol Police Chief said he requested for backup, in an interview. He was told by Piglosi's team that backup will not "paint the right optics". These were the words of the man in TV interview that I watched. Not some cooked up bullshit.

I have watched, read and "heard" many talks about Piglosi's J6 "Team" - and the RINOs among them (warmonger Liz Cheney and Cryin' Kizinger). I am fully convinced that the team basically put stuff out that suit their narrative. It was all a pack of carefully scripted lies, woven to deceive the gullible and uninformed. Why didn't Piglosi allow Jim Banks and others nominated by McCarthy to the team? Simple: To prevent the truth from ever seeing the light of the day. She hates opposing views to hers.

Piglosi will go down as one of the most ruthless, divisive, selfish and dangerous Speaker in US history!

criminal trump ABOUT TO BE INDICTED BY NY. OTHERS DROPPING SOON.

This makes me so happy!

ono:


The highlighted bit of your post.

- I mean, c'mon man! Piglosi, Browser and McConnel knew such a huge crowd will descend on the Capitol. Why didn't they make provision for law enforcement backup to protect the building?
- Trump on his part has said, repeatedly too - over the past 2 years, that he specifically requested for the National Guard to be deployed for the event. It was turned down by Piglosi and Mayor Browser.
- The Capitol Police Chief, corroborated Trump's claim. He too requested for back-up from Piglosi's office. Someone in her office told him "it wasn't necessary - will not "provide the right optics".

How and why should I believe all you wrote up there?

This guy is one disgusting liar. Damn see lies! I need to clean my PC screen with bleach.

Obrigardo:
criminal trump ABOUT TO BE INDICTED BY NY. OTHERS DROPPING SOON.

This makes me so happy!

This ah goat Isa ah say ah this for tha ah 10000000000000000 ah time. Brain damage ah donkey ye

Obrigardo:
I've been watching these Hearings the extreme ultramaga GOP reps are holding and one thing is clear..

They

Are

An

Utter

Disgrace

Damn, they don't send their best to Congress at all. So laughable and comedic.

Someone like basilico loco thinks these brainless people will take over the presidency and win Congress in 2024? I can't laugh harder.

Don't underestimate them because they are buffoons.

So were the nazi party in the wiemar republic, but at the end of the day they still seized power.

wirinet:

You are wasting your time and bandwidth arguing with benalvino3 and his alter ego basilico. Someone that believes Goerge Floyd died of drug overdose and not the knee on his wind pipe (neck) is the person that you are trying to convince that internal injury or excessive stress can lead to stroke.

your god George Floyd died of a drug overdose. Cry me a river.

knee on his windpipe? Oya show us what you claimed.

The person you are talking about says stress can lead to stroke, so what is your point? do you even read or you are just always heartbroken when someone does not agree with you?

benalvino3:


you and I could not tell whether he was stressed or not. Not everyone who died of a stroke is a result of stress too. They Lied and that has been exposed. DOJ and Press Sec is still spreading the lie that 5 officers were killed that day.

benalvino3:
Brian Sicknick was not even stressed, he did not argue with the rioters, he did not struggle with anyone... he was even ushering them in. He Voted for trump. From the footage, one could not conclude he was even stressed.
https://twitter.com/sheryltwo/status/1633085243052916737?s=20

anytime you type something here it is to misrepresent someone or lie.

benalvino3:


your god George Floyd died of a drug overdose. Cry me a river.

Honestly, I have never seen a more delusional person in this life. You create a belief to justify your right wing extremist views, then you manufacture lies and half truths to support that belief not minding they are glaringly false.

Medical report by qualified medical professionals rule the cause of George Floyd's death to be Homicide and not drug overdose.
Oya start with your wild conspiracy theories of deep state, Globalist propaganda or other stupid excuses
See the report attached below

knee on his windpipe? Oya show us what you claimed.

See this video I have posted many times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vksEJR9EPQ8&feature=shares
Pay attention from 5:25 to 5:45.

The person you are talking about says stress can lead to stroke, so what is your point? do you even read or you are just always heartbroken when someone does not agree with you?

I am more heart broken by your level of delusion, your deviation from reality. Even Trump's family, staff and lawyers has limitations to the absurdity they can go defending Trump and right wing extremists.

anytime you type something here it is to misrepresent someone or lie.

I point out your lies with proof from reputable sources, why not point out my lies with sources outside right wing extremist media.

benalvino3:


your god George Floyd died of a drug overdose. Cry me a river.

Sorry I have not followed your posts in the past so I don't want to make any assumptions. Just as small question - Do you believe Derek Chauvin was right to kneel on that man's neck for almost 9 minutes?

DeepSight:


Sorry I have not followed your posts in the past so I don't want to make any assumptions. Just as small question - Do you believe Derek Chauvin was right to kneel on that man's neck for almost 9 minutes?

The guy has been making a case for Derrick Chauvin's innocence and George Floyd's guilt, with a stupid argument that Chauvin was doing exactly as he was trained to do and that his over reaction was due to poor police training and not racial bias.

DeepSight:


Sorry I have not followed your posts in the past so I don't want to make any assumptions. Just as small question - Do you believe Derek Chauvin was right to kneel on that man's neck for almost 9 minutes?

He was following his department's policy. To me, I will say there was negligence on his own part. for staying too long.

Exhibit A in the Chauvin case presents toxicology findings that say Floyd ingested a fatal dose of fentanyl before his death and said there was no physical evidence Floyd was asphyxiated, while an independent medical examination found Floyd died from asphyxia.

https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/ExhibitMtD08282020.pdf

Whichever findings you pick... It is fine. Me i am going by the effect Fentanyl has and how others are affected and are dying from it.

I have stated in the past that Chauvin had his fault... But GF was shouting in could not breathe long before Chauvin got there and GF asked the cops to place him on the floor.

Again, Tony Timpa died in exact same manner Floyd died. He overdosed on cocaine.
These guys are making it look like Chauvin is a racist who was looking for a black man to kill. That's, not the case.

wirinet:

Honestly, I have never seen a more delusional person in this life. You create a belief to justify your right wing extremist views, then you manufacture lies and half truths to support that belief not minding they are glaringly false.

Medical report by qualified medical professionals rule the cause of George Floyd's death to be Homicide and not drug overdose.
Oya start with your wild conspiracy theories of deep state, Globalist propaganda or other stupid excuses
See the report attached below


See this video I have posted many times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vksEJR9EPQ8&feature=shares
Pay attention from 5:25 to 5:45.



I am more heart broken by your level of delusion, your deviation from reality. Even Trump's family, staff and lawyers has limitations to the absurdity they can go defending Trump and right wing extremists.



I point out your lies with proof from reputable sources, why not point out my lies with sources outside right wing extremist media.

The medical report also ruled otherwise.

Floyd took drugs period.

https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/ExhibitMtD08282020.pdf

benalvino3:


He was following his department's policy. To me, I will say there was negligence on his own part. for staying too long.



https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/ExhibitMtD08282020.pdf

Whichever findings you pick... It is fine. Me i am going by the effect Fentanyl has and how others are affected and are dying from it.

I have stated in the past that Chauvin had his fault... But GF was shouting in could not breathe long before Chauvin got there and GF asked the cops to place him on the floor.

Again, Tony Timpa died in exact same manner Floyd died. He overdosed on cocaine.
These guys are making it look like Chauvin is a racist who was looking for a black man to kill. That's, not the case.

Thank you for your answer. Hoping you dont mind a follow up question or two -

1. Don't you think any reasonable person would remove that knee especially after -
- The subject was already restrained (so there was no point or purpose keeping the knee on his neck - and 9 minutes is a long time - that is a deliberate action rather than merely being negligent. In negligence, you fail to do something - in this case, he was actively doing something while being warned against it)
- People standing by were repeatedly warning him that the subject might die
- The subject kept saying he could not breathe.

2. Given his actions, how exactly are you so sure that Chauvin was definitely not racist? I mean, do you have some special access into his mind which sees beyond his actions?

3. Do you think Chauvin should have been found not guilty?

DeepSight:


Thank you for your answer. Hoping you dont mind a follow up question or two -

1. Don't you think any reasonable person would remove that knee especially after -
- The subject was already restrained (so there was no point or purpose keeping the knee on his neck - and 9 minutes is a long time - that is a deliberate action rather than merely being negligent. In negligence, you fail to do something - in this case, he was actively doing something while being warned against it)
- People standing by were repeatedly warning him that the subject might die
- The subject kept saying he could not breathe.

2. Given his actions, how exactly are you so sure that Chauvin was definitely not racist? I mean, do you have some special access into his mind which sees beyond his actions?

3. Do you think Chauvin should have been found not guilty?

Sighs

And this kept going in circles. This ancestor has always restrained himself from trying to convince anyone on this matter.
I'll just follow up and see how he answers your questions but with minimal expectations since his earlier comments already cemented his position on that case.

Heaven knows I prefer planking reason into people, at least that's more efficient in convincing others..

DeepSight:


Thank you for your answer. Hoping you dont mind a follow up question or two -

1. Don't you think any reasonable person would remove that knee especially after -
- The subject was already restrained (so there was no point or purpose keeping the knee on his neck - and 9 minutes is a long time - that is a deliberate action rather than merely being negligent. In negligence, you fail to do something - in this case, he was actively doing something while being warned against it)
- People standing by were repeatedly warning him that the subject might die
- The subject kept saying he could not breathe.

2. Given his actions, how exactly are you so sure that Chauvin was definitely not racist? I mean, do you have some special access into his mind which sees beyond his actions?

3. Do you think Chauvin should have been found not guilty?

I have answered question one before you even asked it. Do you not read? Lol
These are my words "To me, I will say there was negligence on his own part. for staying too long."

To you second question. You cannot claim his death was as a result of racism. You have to prove Chauvin is a racist first. When Tony Timpa died, why did no one say it was racism? Black cops were involved. So, we know you cannot prove a negative. You claimed he is a racist so prove it to us.

Like I said, I think the highest he could have gotten is manslaughter.

benalvino3:


I have answered question one before you even asked it. Do you not read? Lol
These are my words "To me, I will say there was negligence on his own part. for staying too long."

To you second question. You cannot claim his death was as a result of racism. You have to prove Chauvin is a racist first. When Tony Timpa died, why did no one say it was racism? Black cops were involved. So, we know you cannot prove a negative. You claimed he is a racist so prove it to us.

Like I said, I think the highest he could have gotten is manslaughter.

OK, thank you so far.

@ Wirinet: I have interrogated the suspect and so far, I am not sure he is saying what you suggest he is saying. To be clear, I don't agree with his suggestions, but they are not on all fours with what you have depicted. Let me place the caveat here that I have not read his past posts in this matter so I may not be as well informed as you are.

benalvino3:


The medical report also ruled otherwise.

Floyd took drugs period.

https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/ExhibitMtD08282020.pdf

Are you sane at all. You pasted a medical report certified by 2 doctors confirming Cause of Death to be Asphyxia due to neck and chest compression, but you interpret the report to mean cause of death is drug. How? Did you see anywhere where drugs was mentioned as the cause of death?

DeepSight:


OK, thank you so far.

@ Wirinet: I have interrogated the suspect and so far, I am not sure he is saying what you suggest he is saying. To be clear, I don't agree with his suggestions, but they are not on all fours with what you have depicted. Let me place the caveat here that I have not read his past posts in this matter so I may not be as well informed as you are.

We all know benalvino3 and his alter ego basilico here. They are ultra white nationalists and anti anything black. They elevate ultra right wing propaganda to a religion. His last past says " Floyd took drugs period " meaning he believes drugs killed George Floyd and nothing can convince him otherwise.
Why not go through his post history to get a glimpse of his doctrines.

He insist Derrick Chauvin is innocent and was simply negligent in kneeling on a man's windpipe for 9 mins but his previous records showed otherwise. Not that facts like that will change benalvino3's beliefs.

The reports that was released 2 days ago by Louisville Police Department after the killing of Breonna Taylor in 2020 indicted the Louisville Police of racism against blacks, but the guy had been insisting that there is no racism at all in America, that whites are killed by police as much as black and that blacks are generally criminals, and so they deserved to be extrajudicially murdered.

The guy is loco.

wirinet:


Are you sane at all. You pasted a medical report certified by 2 doctors confirming Cause of Death to be Asphyxia due to neck and chest compression, but you interpret the report to mean cause of death is drug. How? Did you see anywhere where drugs was mentioned as the cause of death?

The problem with you is onesidedness. That document I presented shows conclusion from both sides. I clearly stated that with a link to the document. See where you did not screenshot.

“AB (Andrew Baker) said that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death,” he said people have been pronounced dead on OD with less than what was in Floyd's system. Couple that with multiple disease Floyd had, including covid.

grand read the handwritten part of the document I presented.

Chauvin did not wake up one morning and decide he will kill a black man in front of multiple cameras.

benalvino3:



The problem with you is onesidedness. That document I presented shows conclusion from both sides. I clearly stated that with a link to the document. See where you did not screenshot.

“AB (Andrew Baker) said that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death,” he said people have been pronounced dead on OD with less than what was in Floyd's system. Couple that with multiple disease Floyd had, including covid.

grand read the handwritten part of the document I presented.

Chauvin did not wake up one morning and decide he will kill a black man in front of multiple cameras.

Andrew Baker you are basing your conclusion that Floyd died of drug overdose never inferred that, he just stated an hypothetical position. He said if , I hope you understand what if means. He went further to state "and there were no other contributing factors". Dr Baker conclude with a caveat "I am not saying this killed him" How you conclude that he said that Floyd died of drug overdose is beyond belief.

Your blinkers did not permit you to see in the handwritten report where it was written "sternum fractured & a rib fracture appears to be from medical ....." how drug overdose can cause a fractured sternum and rib is a mystery.