Job 1:6-19

Satan Allowed to Test Job

6. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

7. The Lord said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”

8. And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”

9. Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason?

10. Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11. But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.”

12. And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

Satan Takes Job's Property and Children

13. Now there was a day when his sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother's house,

14. and there came a messenger to Job and said, “The oxen were plowing and the donkeys feeding beside them,

15. and the Sabeans fell upon them and took them and struck down the servants with the edge of the sword, and I alone have escaped to tell you.”

16. While he was yet speaking, there came another and said, “The fire of God fell from heaven and burned up the sheep and the servants and consumed them, and I alone have escaped to tell you.”

17. While he was yet speaking, there came another and said, “The Chaldeans formed three groups and made a raid on the camels and took them and struck down the servants with the edge of the sword, and I alone have escaped to tell you.”

18. While he was yet speaking, there came another and said, “Your sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother's house,

19. and behold, a great wind came across the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young people, and they are dead, and I alone have escaped to tell you.”

Job 1:12

12. And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

CodeTemplar:
Deuteronomy 8:3 he humbleth and maketh to suffer.

Banilla:
■ Satan is under the authority of God. If God forbids him from hurting a person, Satan can do them no harm.
■ Does that mean the bad things that happen even to God's faithful may have been permitted by God himself to test their faith?

Banilla:
So God is in fact responsible for suffering (sickness and poverty)... Not really the devil. The devil is the one who carries out the sentence, but only with God's permission.

Kobojunkie:
1. Only yesterday, you said Satan battled against God in His throne room. What gives?

2. God is Sovereign meaning all things — good and evil — He works together according to His plan. Nothing can go against God's plan and purpose.

budaatum:
A God that plays njabet with people's lifes should not be worshipped! Such gods should be taken to the bottom rivers and drowned after having their heads bashed against rocks.

The story was however not for you to focus on God playing njabet, but on the perseverance of poor Job on whom njabet was played..

P.s. You question is like asking if the fox can not blow down a pig's house that is made of bricks.

Banilla:


Reminds me of a comic I once came across. God is sadistic.

And I agree. He was a character to emulate! Although, no Christian would want to be him. Abraham, maybe but never Job despite him finding favour in the eyes of God.

budaatum:


In the imagined eyes of an imagined God, you mean.

Banilla:
■Didn't I also tell you the Bible contradicts itself? Not my business. I only pick a story to discuss.
■ Doesn't that make him evil?
■ What good did Job's suffering serve? To reassure himself that he's still God?
■ If he knows all, did he need to put the man through all that? He even allowed the death of his innocent children!
■ God should have known Job's faith in him was strong. He's God!

Kobojunkie:
1. The problem wasn't the book even yesterday but your refusal to abandon the myths you held onto in order to accept instead what is written. Like any other pick, you cannot pick from here and there as you like. You have to compile it all together into one for you to in fact comprehend all the bits and pieces.

2. God created both good and evil.

3. Did you read the book? I believe Job answers that question for you in Chapter 42

4. Yep, God only puts the man through what man needs to go through in order to come to a realization of His Truth.

5. God knew this but did Job know it or realize it or understand the importance of the realization before the ordeal?

Banilla:
■ First of all, I'm not writing the Bible. If it didn't contradict itself, there would be no issue choosing a Bible passage to study.
■ This is Job 6. Here, God and the Devil were kinda getting along... In other passages, they can't stand each other. This is what caused Job to be tested. Don't change the Bible. Please!

Kobojunkie:
1. Stop blaming the book abeg!

2. Yes, it says God put Job to the test. I am not disputing any of that.

Banilla:
■ I don't blame the book. I like it's weird stories.
■ It's bizarre, you agree? For God to act like that?

Kobojunkie:
1. Still, stop blaming the book particularly when you hold on to ideas that are not of the book.

2. Bizarre that I accept what is written as is written? He is God all by Himself. He does not need my approval or acceptance to be God.

Banilla:
■Certainly. But you can still approve or disapprove of his actions. Can you not? Or are you too scared to criticize him? It doesn't make him any less God, but you might understand and therefore know him better.

Banilla:
So God is in fact responsible for suffering (sickness and poverty)... Not really the devil. The devil is the one who carries out the sentence, but only with God's permission.

Kobojunkie:
1. Only yesterday, you said Satan battled against God in His throne room. What gives?

2. God is Sovereign meaning all things — good and evil — He works together according to His plan. Nothing can go against God's plan and purpose.

Kobojunkie:
Pretty much!

Banilla:
Didn't I also tell you the Bible contradicts itself? Not my business. I only pick a story to discuss.

Doesn't that make him evil? What good did Job's suffering serve? To reassure himself that he's still God? If he knows all, did he need to put the man through all that? He even allowed the death of his innocent children! God should have known Job's faith in him was strong. He's God!

Kobojunkie:
1. The problem wasn't the book even yesterday but your refusal to abandon the myths you held onto in order to accept instead what is written. Like any other pick, you cannot pick from here and there as you like. You have to compile it all together into one for you to in fact comprehend all the bits and pieces.

2. God created both good and evil.

3. Did you read the book? I believe Job answers that question for you in Chapter 42

4. Yep, God only puts the man through what man needs to go through in order to come to a realization of His Truth.

5. God knew this but did Job know it or realize it or understand the importance of the realization before the ordeal?

Kobojunkie:
1. Stop blaming the book abeg!

2. Yes, it says God put Job to the test. I am not disputing any of that.

Kobojunkie:
1. Still, stop blaming the book particularly when you hold on to ideas that are not of the book.

2. Bizarre that I accept what is written as is written? He is God all by Himself. He does not need my approval or acceptance to be God.

herlecks:
Little ones, where is the respect for your maker?

Banilla:
So God is in fact responsible for suffering (sickness and poverty)... Not really the devil. The devil is the one who carries out the sentence, but only with God's permission.

MaxInDHouse:


NO!
The problem is from Adam who brought sin into the life of all his descendants {Romans 5:12} Satan can't touch Adam or Eve because the glory of God is upon them but he can speak to them perhaps they're satisfied with their condition or they will like to explore for something better than what God gave them.

The couple chose to rebel against God's order and that's how they sold all their descendants into slavery under Satan. Romans 3:23

Satan knew God's angels moving throughout the earth {Ezekiel 10:12} these creatures are like God's eyes throughout the earth {2Chronicles 16:9} to report back to God regarding any of Adam's descendants that's striving to do what is right. Malachi 3:16

So when Satan notice any human gaining the attention of these angels he feels such a person is untouchable for him {Job 1:10} that's why God told Satan "you're free to touch him (after all he's also one of the descendants of Adam the rebel) but don't kill him" Job 1:12

Please whenever anyone is facing difficult time let him not even think it's God that's bringing the evil to test him because nobody can test God with evil things neither does He test anyone with evil {James 1:13} just like Adam each human is tempted by his or heart desire that's what gives Satan access and eventually leads to death! James 1:14-15

jaephoenix:

My maker is Flying Spaghetti Monster

Banilla:


You are misinterpreting the Bible. You make it seem as though the devil made a choice to punish Job because he was favoured by God, when in reality, the devil goaded God into testing the man.

And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”

9. Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason?

10. Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11. But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.”

12. And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

The Old testament and New testament combined, the devil's murder count is 10. And these people were the children of Job killed with the permission and approval of God. The devil cannot create life, neither can he take one; it's not within his power. He can only tempt people into doing that. So every unfortunate death, God is in fact responsible (whether he's testing or punishing us).

The New testament God may be kinder but the Old testament God wiped out an entire planet... Don't pretend they are the same.

Also, sin didn't start with Adam and Eve but with Lucifer.

[I'll quote you in the others thread I created]

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ it's the same God but i'll enlighten you on that later (if you really want to know)
But as for the troubles facing humans it's not from God rather it's men themselves that are the cause of their own misfortune.

Take for instance the case of Sodom and Gomorrah those angels serving as God's eyes saw how toxic the two cities are and the moral damage they will bring to the planet if they're allowed to continue existing that's why they reported the case to God who sent his only begotten Son as His representative to go and verify it was after verification that God ordered the angels to destroy the two cities!

The God in the old testament has a reason why He became lenient after His son has come to the earth but later He will still wipe out billions for rejecting the message His Son brought to mankind {John 3:16} just as He did to Noah's generation! Luke 17:26-27 compare to 19:27