daveP:


What about it? I see no ish with that or it's relation to subject matter. Help rephrase your question.

Jesus said the father is greater than him. What does that mean?

Michael548:

Jesus said the father is greater than him. What does that mean?

It's simple

Father>Son

Father was creating as son stood by his side, enjoying and, if you can add, learning.


Chapter 15 shows another one


Jesus is the vine
God is the husbandman
We are the branches


None of us are equal in hierarchy to the one above us, but we are in the hierarchy. Angels are too.

daveP:


It's simple

Father>Son

Father was creating as son stood by his side, enjoying and, if you can add, learning.


Chapter 15 shows another one


Jesus is the vine
God is the husbandman
We are the branches


None of us are equal in hierarchy to the one above us, but we are in the hierarchy. Angels are too.

Ok. But this explanation does not agree with the Trinity doctrine that says that Jesus is inseparable and equal to the Father.

TradingGod:
Psalms 82:6 I have said, “You are gods,
and sons of the Most High, all of you.

That is a metaphor

Christians contend that Jesus is a “doorway” through which people come to God. As such, they see Jesus as inseparable from God.
This argument is rooted in the false assumption that God is inaccessible; it is rooted in a misunderstanding of the word “doorway” and in a misunderstanding of the word “inseparable.”
God is accessible to all who seek Him in sincerity (Psalm 145:18). All of the holy men and women who walked the earth before Jesus experienced a closeness to God without ever hearing of Jesus. Many saintly people experienced intimacy with God since the time of Jesus without having devoted themselves to Jesus. The claim that no one comes to the Father but through Jesus is demonstrably false.

To say that Jesus is inseparable from God is also patently false. Many people worship God and do not worship Jesus. Others, such as Unitarians, worship Jesus as a human being and not as a god. The fact that many Christians chose to fuse these two entities together in their minds does not make them inseparable.
In fact, many Christians who have studied the matter recognized that their worship was misplaced and abandoned Jesus and remained with God. God and Jesus are certainly separable from one another.

The point of a doorway is that it provides a space through which one can access the area beyond. A doorway facilitates your approach to your ultimate goal. A doorway that demands to be carried with you wherever you go is no doorway; it is a distraction from the destination. No Christian denomination ever advocated that after an initial encounter with Jesus, one can forget about Jesus and get on with developing a relationship with God. Devotion to Jesus is a doorway to Jesus, not to God.

Genesis 1:26 states thus:

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Steep:

That is a metaphor

1 John 4:4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

Michael548:

Ok. But this explanation does not agree with the Trinity doctrine that says that Jesus is inseparable and equal to the Father.

Trinity didn't use "equal"

Inseparable means they do not contradict one another

DeOTR:

If you read the Greek or Hebrew translation of the Bible, everything you typed up there would make sense to you. Especially where God is mentioned.
Even from the dubiously and confusingly translated English version, you'd know that God the Father and His Son are different Entities.

I didn’t just type those things bro. I know them in my spirit. My spirit bears witness to these things - I understand them in a way that I can’t explain.

This is the verse you should pray about. It embodies all you need to know about how these three personalities are connected as 1!

John 15:26
“When the Helper comes, whom I [Jesus] will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me . . .”

What you don't know is definitely above you.

Gen.1: 26; Then God said, "And now "WE" will make human beings; they will be like "US" and resemble "US".

Who did you think God was dialoguing with and referring to when HE was using the words "WE", "US" if not God the Son (Jesus) and Holy Ghost?

Oh! Maybe God was dialoguing with you abi? Ok oo, Dey play!

Jokanem:
Is God a Trinity?

Many Christian denominations teach that God is a Trinity. However, note what the Encyclopædia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.”

In fact, the God of the Bible is never described as being part of a Trinity. Note these Bible passages:

“Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—Deuteronomy 6:4.

“You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”—Psalm 83:18.

“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”—John 17:3.

“God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20.

Why do most Christian denominations say that God is a Trinity?

Faber:
There's nothing like God talk more of trinity. The just concluded elections is my proof

As funny it my sound, election is process of human selection of leaders. It has nothing to do with God and his existence. When it is time for him to take over the affairs fully, he will destroy all the wicked.

@Op, you're right. God is not a trinity. It is one of the most clearly taught truths in the Bible.
Jehovah your God is one Jehovah!

phemmyfour:
Trinity didn't use "equal"

Inseparable means they do not contradict one another

Are you saying that the term Trinity does not teach that Jesus is equal to God?
A simple research on trinity can answer that question.

HolySpiritFire:
What you don't know is definitely above you.

Gen.1: 26; Then God said, "And now "WE" will make human beings; they will be like "US" and resemble "US".

Who did you think God was dialoguing with and referring to when HE was using the words "WE", "US" if not God the Son (Jesus) and Holy Ghost?

Oh! Maybe God was dialoguing with you abi? Ok oo, Dey play!

Does this bible verse prove that Jesus is the same and equal to Almighty God?

Venerable612:


I didn’t just type those things bro. I know them in my spirit. My spirit bears witness to these things - I understand them in a way that I can’t explain.

This is the verse you should pray about. It embodies all you need to know about how these three personalities are connected as 1!

John 15:26
“When the Helper comes, whom I [Jesus] will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me . . .”

Ok. but how do you explain John 14:28

sajb:
Genesis 1:26 states thus:

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Does this bible verse prove that Jesus is the same and equal to the Almighty God?

Michael548:

But the Trinity teaches that Jesus and the Father are inseparable and equal. So what explanation do we give to that?

The bible is written in simple language to understand. Christ said he was doing the work of he who sent him. That is enough for you to understand the relationship no matter how anyone tries to confuse you.

Michael548:

Ok. but how do you explain John 14:28

Ok, I’ll explain.

There are different interpretations of what Jesus meant by saying that his Father is greater than him. It means:

1. Firstly, he was referring to his human nature, which was lower than his divine nature, and that he was expressing his submission and obedience to the Father’s will

2. Secondly, he is also referring to his divine nature by acknowledging the Father’s authority and position as the source and head of the Trinity!

Regardless of how you look at it, it does not mean that Jesus is not God or equal to God in essence and nature!

Jesus himself claimed to be one with the Father (John 10:30) and accepted worship from his followers (John 20:28). He also said that he has all authority in heaven and on earth (Matthew 28:18) and that he shares the same glory with the Father (John 17:5).

The Bible teaches that Jesus is fully God and fully man, who came to reveal God’s love and grace to us (John 1:1-18; Colossians 1:15-20; Hebrews 1:1-4).

GOD IS OMNISCIENT.

Venerable612:


Ok, I’ll explain.

There are different interpretations of what Jesus meant by saying that his Father is greater than him. It means:

1. Firstly, he was referring to his human nature, which was lower than his divine nature, and that he was expressing his submission and obedience to the Father’s will

2. Secondly, he is also referring to his divine nature by acknowledging the Father’s authority and position as the source and head of the Trinity!

Regardless of how you look at it, it does not mean that Jesus is not God or equal to God in essence and nature!

Jesus himself claimed to be one with the Father (John 10:30) and accepted worship from his followers (John 20:28). He also said that he has all authority in heaven and on earth (Matthew 28:18) and that he shares the same glory with the Father (John 17:5).

The Bible teaches that Jesus is fully God and fully man, who came to reveal God’s love and grace to us (John 1:1-18; Colossians 1:15-20; Hebrews 1:1-4).

Ok. According to your two explanation, are you saying that Jesus is the Father And not the Father at the same time?
Because Your first explanation shows that Jesus was not Almighty God on earth.
And your second explanation shows that the father is greater than the son.

God is not a trinity..

God is a unity..

ebbo:



Jesus is a messenger of God not the son of God. God does not have a son and him only is above everyone else, nobody is closer to him in anything.

You know, if truly Jesus is the son of God, then you are denying God. I'll just advise you to pray about it, ask God to show you if Jesus is God's son or not.

Jesus is God's son, God's only begotten son. Jesus according to the Quran is the Word of God, the word that proceeds from God. Now, are the words you speak apart from you? Not really, since they come from you.

If you believe that God can do all things, then he can also choose to have a son. Can God do all things? Why is it hard to believe that God has a son and through the son we all become sons? It's true, God's son became the son of man who is a prophet and God's messenger, but he existed before he was born. He said it himself. If you respect him as a prophet they you wouldn't want to call him a liar. See

And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed. (John 17:5).

Do you believe this?

Michael548:

Ok. According to your two explanation, are you saying that Jesus is the Father And not the Father at the same time?
Because Your first explanation shows that Jesus was not Almighty God on earth.

It's not from his explanation. It's from the Bible. Jesus said not HE said. Jesus Christ said he and the Father one. I believe it should be self explanatory. Jesus is not God the Father. Jesus is God the Son. Okay look at it this way, If a man and a woman marries they are one right?? But the man is the head of the home even at that the head cannot do without the body. Imagine a headless body. God the Father Son and Spirit are one, they work and move together as one (a united personality)

sonmvayina:
God is not a trinity..

God is a unity..

Please use your data to browse the meaning of Trinity!

Bluebrain101:


It's not from his explanation. It's from the Bible. Jesus said not HE said. Jesus Christ said he and the Father one. I believe it should be self explanatory. Jesus is not God the Father. Jesus is God the Son. Okay look at it this way, If a man and a woman marries they are one right?? But the man is the head of the home even at that the head cannot do without the body. Imagine a headless body. God the Father Son and Spirit are one, they work and move together as one (a united personality)

I understand you mean 'one' in this context to mean unity and not equality of personality.
The Trinity doctrine clearly states that Jesus is equal to the Father and not lesser in anyway. That makes John 14:28 open to explanation.

Bluebrain101:


Please use your data to browse the meaning of Trinity!

It means three in one..

But that was not the idea in the old testament.

From where did the new testament authors get the idea from or where did Christians get the idea from.?

Bluebrain101:


It's not from his explanation. It's from the Bible. Jesus said not HE said. Jesus Christ said he and the Father one. I believe it should be self explanatory. Jesus is not God the Father. Jesus is God the Son. Okay look at it this way, If a man and a woman marries they are one right?? But the man is the head of the home even at that the head cannot do without the body. Imagine a headless body. God the Father Son and Spirit are one, they work and move together as one (a united personality)

Who is God the mother?

Mary?

Michael548:

Ok. According to your two explanation, are you saying that Jesus is the Father And not the Father at the same time?
Because Your first explanation shows that Jesus was not Almighty God on earth.
And your second explanation shows that the father is greater than the son.

Jesus is not the father and that explanation does not suggest that he is. Contrary to that, it suggests that Jesus came as human and is subject to the will of the Father (God the father).

Venerable612:


Jesus is not the father and that explanation does not suggest that he is. Contrary to that, it suggests that Jesus came as human and is subject to the will of the Father (God the father).

Ok. If your explanation Means that the father is Greater than Jesus, that would still go against the doctrine of the Trinity that teaches that Jesus is coequal to God and not lesser in any way.

CHANCE TO CHANGE YOUR ETERNAL DESTINATION

Men and brethren, hearken
Jesus Christ is God.
There is no three gods (polytheism)

Moses said “hear ye o Israel, the the Lord Thy God is one”

Genesis says “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God”

Isiah said “unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given and His name shall be called the Mighty God”

Mathew says “The birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise, mary was espoused to Joseph and She was found with the Child of the Holy Ghost”- answer me, was God the father, his father or the Holy Ghost (Christ Spirit)? Choose one see how foolish you sound.
- and His name shall be called Jesus

John says “in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God, and Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and the world was made by him”

Phillip told Jesus Christ, said “show us the father and it sufficeth us” Jesus answered him saying “hast thou been with me this long and don’t know me phillip? Any one that has seen me has seen the father”

Jesus said “the works i do not me but the father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works”

Jesus said “i am in the father and the father in me, and i and the father shall come and dwell in you”- the Holy Spirit.

Paul said “Great is the mystery of Godliness, God manifested in the flesh, dwelt in a body”

Paul said “in Him dwelleth the ‘fullness’ of the Godhead bodily”
Another place says that all that God was, he poured into Christ.


If my name is Peter and I’m a banker, a hunter and a pastor,
What is my name?

Will my name be banker, hunter and pastor?
The banker, the hinter and the pastor, are they different persons?

In the morning, i put on shirt and tie, go to the bank, in the afternoon, i put on jean and a hat, go into the forest, in the even i suit up and pastor my congregation.- does that make me different persons? If you see me pastoring, and you ask where is the hunter, I’ll tell you, if you have seen me, you have seen him.

Same thing- God’s 3 different offices to do different job. That’s all the scriptures and even Jesus Christ said, why will you take you own explanation about someone else? Are you calling Jesus a fraud? Or yourself an unbeliever? Because you didn’t believe Him.

I didn’t coin these out, although it is well visible in the Scriptures.

There’s a promise in malachi 4 5&6 for an 2 Elijah- one to turn the heart of the children to the fathers- (John the baptist- elijah) (Luke 1 verse 17)- the hearts of the elders to apostles.

Second Elijah- turn the hearts of the children to the fathers- our hearts to the apostolic father- in spirit and truth- apostles doctrine- day of pentecost baptism as promised in Joel 2 v28. Rev 10v7.

One Elijah to introduce the first coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, another to introduce the second coming.
One to preach the baptism of repentance another, the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

The disciples asked Jesus, said “why does tge scriptures say elias must come first” Jesus answered saying “He’s already come and killed by men and you didn’t know him” said it is “John the baptist id you will receive it”

I tell you thats claims to be waiting for the rapture, as a servant of Christ, that Elijah has come and has revealed all these things which i have spoken as well as all the mysteries of the Bible as stated in rev 10v7 “in the days of the coice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be fulfilled”

That the second Elijah had come and Gone and you didn’t know him, his name is “ WILLIAM MARRION BRANHAM “, if you will receive it!


God’s bride has made herself ready, some will go as Word of God said, a bride will be ready anyhow.

Shalom
God bless you

100fix:
*CHANCE TO CHANGE YOUR ETERNAL DESTINATION*

Men and brethren, hearken
Jesus Christ is God.
There is no three gods (polytheism)

Moses said “hear ye o Israel, the the Lord Thy God is one”

Genesis says “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God”

Isiah said “unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given and His name shall be called the Mighty God”

Mathew says “The birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise, mary was espoused to Joseph and She was found with the Child of the Holy Ghost”- answer me, was God the father, his father or the Holy Ghost (Christ Spirit)? Choose one see how foolish you sound.
- and His name shall be called Jesus

John says “in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God, and Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and the world was made by him”

Phillip told Jesus Christ, said “show us the father and it sufficeth us” Jesus answered him saying “hast thou been with me this long and don’t know me phillip? Any one that has seen me has seen the father”

Jesus said “the works i do not me but the father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works”

Jesus said “i am in the father and the father in me, and i and the father shall come and dwell in you”- the Holy Spirit.

Paul said “Great is the mystery of Godliness, God manifested in the flesh, dwelt in a body”

Paul said “in Him dwelleth the ‘fullness’ of the Godhead bodily”
Another place says that all that God was, he poured into Christ.


If my name is Peter and I’m a banker, a hunter and a pastor,
What is my name?

Will my name be banker, hunter and pastor?
The banker, the hinter and the pastor, are they different persons?

In the morning, i put on shirt and tie, go to the bank, in the afternoon, i put on jean and a hat, go into the forest, in the even i suit up and pastor my congregation.- does that make me different persons? If you see me pastoring, and you ask where is the hunter, I’ll tell you, if you have seen me, you have seen him.

Same thing- God’s 3 different offices to do different job. That’s all the scriptures and even Jesus Christ said, why will you take you own explanation about someone else? Are you calling Jesus a fraud? Or yourself an unbeliever? Because you didn’t believe Him.

I didn’t coin these out, although it is well visible in the Scriptures.

There’s a promise in malachi 4 5&6 for an 2 Elijah- one to turn the heart of the children to the fathers- (John the baptist- elijah) (Luke 1 verse 17)- the hearts of the elders to apostles.

Second Elijah- turn the hearts of the children to the fathers- our hearts to the apostolic father- in spirit and truth- apostles doctrine- day of pentecost baptism as promised in Joel 2 v28. Rev 10v7.

One Elijah to introduce the first coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, another to introduce the second coming.
One to preach the baptism of repentance another, the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

The disciples asked Jesus, said “why does tge scriptures say elias must come first” Jesus answered saying “He’s already come and killed by men and you didn’t know him” said it is “John the baptist id you will receive it”

I tell you thats claims to be waiting for the rapture, as a servant of Christ, that Elijah has come and has revealed all these things which i have spoken as well as all the mysteries of the Bible as stated in rev 10v7 “in the days of the coice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be fulfilled”

That the second Elijah had come and Gone and you didn’t know him, his name is “*WILLIAM MARRION BRANHAM*”, if you will receive it!


God’s bride has made herself ready, some will go as Word of God said, a bride will be ready anyhow.

Shalom
God bless you

Are you saying that Jesus is the same as Almighty God?

Michael548:

Are you saying that Jesus is the same as Almighty God?

He Is

It’s not what I’m saying.

It is what the Bible says.

Jesus said search the scriptures, they are they that testify of me, for in them, you think you have eternal life.

100fix:


He Is

It’s not what I’m saying.

It is what the Bible says.

Jesus said search the scriptures, they are they that testify of me, for in them, you think you have eternal life.

How do you then explain John 14:28