IjeBos:


I'm not so sure. Sometimes policies take time to percolate and there may be intense anger at it's inception. Seems like a recipe to hue too closely to current popular opinion.

But isn't popular opinion exactly what democracy is?

Policies are declared before the elections really, and are announced by the King who receives them from the elected government, which is the party with an outright majority or the one that can form one like in Israel. The government would need a majority vote to pass those policies regardless, and we do have our Manchins in every party who may not toe the party line. Often, policies would only pass with opposition votes, especially when the government's majority is slim.

What makes it work I guess, is the institutions surrounding the government, like the House of Lords, the judiciary and the committees in parliament. Besides, we can't do presidency anyway, since we do not have states.

Just imagine Biden,or better still, that dump having to stand up in parliament every Wednesday and answer questions from the opposition. It's a good recipe to curtail extremes.

basilico:
To the winner goes the spoils.

You got to win first, and a ceasefire is not a win. As for Cyprus, this is not 1914, and you'd find the circumstances were very different.

benalvino3:


go and educate yourself in the Korean war. what Happened when china entered the war by backing the north koreans? the US was forced to accept a cease fire.

The Korean war where American land was not taken right? No wonder America accepted a ceasefire. Now go and force America to accept a ceasefire for Ukraine and come tell me how far you get.

benalvino3:


Lmao, He promised to Quit if Brexit happened, it happened so he quit. what are you talking about? I just got out of the underground when i heard the twice... I went into Iceland, bought some 7up and pizza, got home, put on my Xbox, and celebrated with FIFA 2015

weak ass Cameron

He could hardly stay in post since he had no mandate to rule anymore. We would hardly have trusted him to brexit after all.

budaatum:


The Korean war where American land was not taken right? No wonder America accepted a ceasefire. Now go and force America to accept a ceasefire for Ukraine and come tell me how far you get.

this is what tires me about you and Ibime. the establishment or the left support the war. therefore, you must support the war. you can go back to my post and see that my stance neutral.

In Ukraine, American land is in question abi? does Russia have American land? I am saying you won't learn from Korean War where America was heavily involved, boots and on the ground and they were forced to accept a deal. Ukraine, there is no boots on the ground. Ukraine gets little weapons here and there but you know what status Ukraine will ever be on? Defensive not attack. Russia may be pushed back like i said, they will regroup and try again. There is no way ukraine can survive this without turning into a desert. this can go on for eternity like Isreal and Palestine.

You know that Palestine continues to shrink as they keep rejecting peace right?
You know that when Iraq entered Kuwait, America did not follow the model they are doing with Ukraine. America directly into the fight is what will Drive russia back completely and that alone will cause a catastrophic war.

Unless Ukraine is willing to push into russia and hit them hard, this will not stop anytime soon. it takes great manpower and resource to push a battalion out, after you do, and as the gain more ground, it because harder to hold those ground. when you think about the men that died and those that are injured taking those ground.

the other side will regroup, and try again.

so what are your solution? If Ukraine should lose those grounds, at this stage of the war, it means they could lose more ground in the future unless something entirely different happens. America or Nato won't even send adequate equipment. they need jets and many other weapon else they cannot succeed.

Criminal trumps criming can rub off you so bad that even his lawyer's lawyers have lawyers.

Hey basilico loco, I caught up with some drag queens..

Cross-checked...

Sorry my bad, they are your heros the proud boys

Obrigardo:
Criminal trumps criming can rub off you so bad that even his lawyer's lawyers have lawyers.

They are trying to indict him so that he does not run.
It's said a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich

Note that NYC voted 87% for Joe Biden. The chances of getting an unbiased jury is nil.

The lawyer who appeared before it said the jury was not interested in the truth.

basilico:



The lawyer who appeared before it said the jury was not interested in the truth.

This is where your problem lies. Hearsays. Nothing on concrete evidence, no proof nothing.

Are you not a disgusting hypocrite?

Obrigardo:


This is where your problem lies. Hearsays. Nothing on concrete evidence, no proof nothing.

Are you not a disgusting hypocrite?

Clinton had crimes. She used a personal server to transact official business including top secret stuff.

Dr Fauci. Lied under oath to congress about Gain of Function.
Among many other crimes that should be investigated by ICC.

Here is the lawyer after facing the grand jury

Robert Costello: I just spent 2 hours or so testifying before the grand jury in downtown Manhattan, and I got my point across. Although it was clear to me that the Manhattan DA’s office did not want to get to the truth, I need to explain that a little bit. I called them up after I saw Michael Cohen on TV stating things that he said he was going to tell the grand jury and had told the grand jury that were contrary to what he told us when we first represented him in April of 2018. So I’m sitting at home watching these lies and I said I’ve got to do something about it. I don’t represent Donald Trump, but I do stand for justice. And I think I have a legal obligation to inform both sides. So that’s what I did

Systemic racism where a black man in the system go after a white man who was the president of the United States. If we go by those who sell victim hood, this is impossible.

If Kanye pose with trump he is a token nigga, an uncle Tom. If Obama becomes the president, he is not a token nigga or uncle Tom for the racist system.

Honestly, I don't know why folks are still crying.

basilico:




Here is the lawyer after facing the grand jury

Robert Costello: I just spent 2 hours or so testifying before the grand jury in downtown Manhattan, and I got my point across. Although it was clear to me that the Manhattan DA’s office did not want to get to the truth, I need to explain that a little bit. I called them up after I saw Michael Cohen on TV stating things that he said he was going to tell the grand jury and had told the grand jury that were contrary to what he told us when we first represented him in April of 2018. So I’m sitting at home watching these lies and I said I’ve got to do something about it. I don’t represent Donald Trump, but I do stand for justice. And I think I have a legal obligation to inform both sides. So that’s what I did

Bullshit stuff from the lawyer to the former lawyer of the disgraced former president. I mean this trailer trash Costello is Rudy Guilianis lawyer.

Spare me the neutral talk.

benalvino3:
Systemic racism where a black man in the system go after a white man who was the president of the United States. If we go by those who sell victim hood, this is impossible.

If Kanye pose with trump he is a token nigga, an uncle Tom. If Obama becomes the president, he is not a token nigga or uncle Tom for the racist system.

Honestly, I don't know why folks are still crying.

Kanye is an anti-Semitic asshole. How that flies over your head is... Nahh not surprised, you lean towards bigots and xenophobic people. Anyone who hates black and brown people is your hero.

Obrigardo:


Kanye is an anti-Semitic asshole. How that flies over your head is... Nahh not surprised, you lean towards bigots and xenophobic people. Anyone who hates black and brown people is your hero.

Token Nigger:

A black person who is befriended by a slightly racist white person, only to serve as a token of the white persons supposed tolorance towards black people. The white person has no other black friends.

Uncle Tom:

a black man considered to be excessively obedient or servile to white people.

educate yourself and understand what I am talking about before you respond. you are 100% a daft. that's why i ignore you 99% of the time

benalvino3:


Token Nigger:


Uncle Tom:


educate yourself and understand what I am talking about before you respond. you are 100% a daft. that's why i ignore you 99% of the time

Fùck you boy, you think I care about your opinion? You are a black person hater, and that's been established for a long time coming.

budaatum:


But isn't popular opinion exactly what democracy is?

I would say yes, if tempered with minority rights. Thinking what the majority opinion in the US would have been during Brown v. Board of Education.

But, I do think people's opinions change so there should be a period where a leader can implement things that may be unpopular and let them play out. In the US we have impeachment if a President does something that outrageous, but needs a supermajority to pass.

But, yes standing up in Parliament would be nice. I think only two recent Presidents would have been effective. Clinton and Obama. Bush 2 was an idiot. Trump was an idiot who didn't study. Biden is knowledgeable but always made gaffes and his age doesn't help.

To the rest, I'm not knowledgeable enough about UK political systems to have an informed perspective.

Obrigardo:


Fùck you boy, you think I care about your opinion? You are a black person hater, and that's been established for a long time coming.

Imagine a person who lives in a country where he will never be a racial minority and who's never been anywhere where he can understand being a racial minority lecturing to others on what racism is or isn't.

benalvino3:

this is what tires me about you and Ibime. the establishment or the left support the war. therefore, you must support the war.

Why don't you just be a little bit more stupid Ben!

Nobody "supports the war"! And you just support the bully and the thief which reasonable people on both right and left do not support!

benalvino3:

so what are your solution?

If I was kicking your ass and taking your property I sure would love it if you ceasefire and stopped defending yourself. That way I can kick your ass and take more of your property while I risk very little.

I'm sure you'd love that solution. Or don't you? I would, since I'm the Russia kicking your Ukrainian ass, but Ukraine ain't dumb and incapable of defending itself like you seem to be, so they would rather fight back and protect themselves and a lot of the world supports them in doing so.

The only person who wants a ceasefire now is Putin. And that's so he can pause and consolidate what he already took while preparing to take some more.

IjeBos:


Imagine a person who lives in a country where he will never be a racial minority and who's never been anywhere where he can understand being a racial minority lecturing to others on what racism is or isn't.

It's those self serving trash I hate. The guy is always hating on black innovation, hates anyone who's not white and then tries to victim bait to appease his hateful lust. I've known his type for years and I'll keep letting guests who come in here know how horrible these people are.

Republicans arguing that Trump paying off a PORN STAR who he was cheating on his pregnant wife with is a purely personal matter because he used personal funds. Ha. "The party of Christ".

It's going to be a crazy, very interesting "Legal" period if Trump does get indicted and has to stand trail somewhere. It's going to strain our Legal institution and the concept that everyone is equal under the law.. well publicly strain it as we know it's not true.

Ex. What happens with the Secret Service if he has to stand trial? How do they protect him without prejudicing the Prosecution? Can they be in court, do they sit next to him? Can they research the jurors for threats? And if he does run for President at the same time? What if he gets indicted and convicted and is in jail, yet somehow wins the Presidency? Can he be president. The last one is a stretch but seems there will be a lot of issues that spring up.

budaatum:


Why don't you just be a little bit more stupid Ben!

Nobody "supports the war"! And you just support the bully and the thief which reasonable people on both right and left do not support!

You don't get it and will never get it if you are this closed-minded.

Nobody support the war but you are not ready for a peace deal even when you don't know what is on the table. You want to tell us you don't support the war.

budaatum:


If I was kicking your ass and taking your property I sure would love it if you ceasefire and stopped defending yourself. That way I can kick your ass and take more of your property while I risk very little.

I'm sure you'd love that solution. Or don't you? I would, since I'm the Russia kicking your Ukrainian ass, but Ukraine ain't dumb and incapable of defending itself like you seem to be, so they would rather fight back and protect themselves and a lot of the world supports them in doing so.

The only person who wants a ceasefire now is Putin. And that's so he can pause and consolidate what he already took while preparing to take some more.

You didn't talk about any solution. Ukraine is losing ground and they are actually incapable of defending themselves. what they have is the US giving them epileptic support just to keep the war going for eternity.

benalvino3:


You don't get it and will never get it if you are this closed-minded.

Nobody support the war but you are not ready for a peace deal even when you don't know what is on the table. You want to tell us you don't support the war.

Peace deal? Who, pray tell, is out there talking about a "peace deal", Ben? In your mind, is a ceasefire now a "peace deal" too or are you just hell bent on showing your ignorance?

When I kick you ass and occupy your house and take some of your landed property, would you agree to a peace deal where I get to keep your landed property I took?

I know I gladly would. And if the shoe were on the other foot and it were you who occupied my land and took my property, I'd tell you to shove your ceasefire up your ass or give back what you stole. Then and only then will I sit down to talk "peace deal" with you which will include you paying for the damage done to my property and the cost of me defending myself against your thieving aggression!

It is rather stupid to claim I am "supporting the war", when what I'm doing is defend myself and my property from you who is waging war to steal it from me.

IjeBos:


Imagine a person who lives in a country where he will never be a racial minority and who's never been anywhere where he can understand being a racial minority lecturing to others on what racism is or isn't.

When you surround yourself with people from Ajegunle you start to think everyone is like them. Your prejudice is based on your relations in Nigeria.

1: you don't know me.
2: you can never know where I have been
3: if being a minority is so bad for you in the US, and in Nigeria, one cannot be a minority, Why not come and enjoy it and leave all the suffering you are experiencing in the US? I know you will not survive over here. the racist system you are enjoying that makes you brag up and down is something you don't want to give up.

you will always be a victim, but adding hypocrisy to it is gay

benalvino3:


You didn't talk about any solution. Ukraine is losing ground and they are actually incapable of defending themselves. what they have is the US giving them epileptic support just to keep the war going for eternity.

I am beating the hell out of you, so you should just give up so I don't beat you no more?

What's funny is this your thinking is not limited to Ukraine. When black people in America awaken to fight against discrimination your reaction seems to be the same, that they should stop fighting against discrimination because they will be beaten and killed by their more powerful discriminators. Its hard for you to understand that some will rather fight their oppressors than submit to oppression.

budaatum:


I am beating the hell out of you, so you should just give up so I don't beat you no more?

What's funny is this your thinking is not limited to Ukraine. When black people in America awaken to fight against discrimination your reaction seems to be the same, that they should stop fighting against discrimination because they will be beaten and killed by their more powerful discriminators. Its hard for you to understand that some will rather fight their oppressors than submit to oppression.

nonsense way of thinking.

You cannot compare war to blacks in the US. that is just brainless from your side.
I am talking about a cease-fire and a peace deal, you are saying you don't support the war but won't accept peace. You keep saying you are beating my ass. If someone that is older, is angry, and he slaps me, what is the best thing for me to do? provoke him by slapping him back or look for a peaceful way to resolve the issue? Sometimes, when you fight back that is when you lose more.

Ukraine will be a desert by the time all this is over.

budaatum:


I am beating the hell out of you, so you should just give up so I don't beat you no more?

What's funny is this your thinking is not limited to Ukraine. When black people in America awaken to fight against discrimination your reaction seems to be the same, that they should stop fighting against discrimination because they will be beaten and killed by their more powerful discriminators. Its hard for you to understand that some will rather fight their oppressors than submit to oppression.

Benaalvino3 seems to an appeaser mixed with side of Stockholm syndrome. But I guess living in Nigeria may do that to you. At a point some people have to be ok not wanting more or expecting more to be sane right? So, why should black people want equality when they should be happy with what they have. Or why should Ukrainians want their liberty and freedom, when they should just be happy taking what the Russians are giving them or allow them to have.

Look at his last argument. Basically, just be happy you are in the US, don't complain about lack of equality, don't expect better or more. It's like his soul has been dominated.

IjeBos:

I would say yes, if tempered with minority rights. Thinking what the majority opinion in the US would have been during Brown v. Board of Education.

I doubt the majority were opposed to Brown v. Board of Education. It's like claiming the majority supported dump, when, on seeing he was dump, they rose up and dumped his ass.

Besides, laws against Brown v. Board of Education were already well established, so Brown v. Board of Education was difficult to oppose. They might have well opposed the freeing of slaves, in which case we shall impose on their stupid so called "majority opinion".

Equality Act 2010 protects the following characteristics: age; disability; gender reassignment; marriage and civil partnership; pregnancy and maternity; race; religion or belief; sex; sexual orientation.

And apart from the law, we have education whereby minority rights are taught. It's why a lot of nations are in a pickle today trying to protect the minority gays and even transgenders. In countries where minority rights don't matter, a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl and neither the two shall change.

You can't even preach what use to be the majority religion in UK anymore, not even in a Church of England school.

IjeBos:
But, I do think people's opinions change so there should be a period where a leader can implement things that may be unpopular and let them play out. In the US we have impeachment if a President does something that outrageous, but needs a supermajority to pass.

Funny that anti-discrimination laws may be unpopular, but they still get to pass regardless in enlightened countries at least. While discrimination laws may be popular but they don't get to pass regardless.

Most countries don't just rely on laws, but on educating its citizens too. And prior to education, people sat in church and were told to love their neighbours whoever they may be, which evolved into the Equality Act above, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in my siggy below even though that verse took centuries to be understood as such.

Unpopular, or popular, is judged by it's merit, and most have brains for that. That's why we abolished slavery even though it had its majority in some places, and why I have faith in the human race eventually doing that which is right.