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Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 8:57pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
TenQ:You dodged one question. 1.How do you know your favorite sky daddy was the actual creator? Remember there are thousands of creators 2.Why do you demarcate your sky daddy from the laws of physics 3. Since you cannot prove your sky daddy exists, can you explain his properties and how did you arrive at such? |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by TenQ: 9:08pm On Mar 22, 2023 |
jaephoenix:I didn't dodge ANY of your Questions. You were in fact the one who dodged my questions. 1. I called the Creator by His Title as the Uncaused First-Cause of Everything; He is my God. People call Him different names depending on their language and tribe. 2. If you had answered my questions, you would not have asked such a myopic question 3. It is your opinion and you are welcome to it. God is an Immaterial Being called Spirit who is the Uncaused First-Cause of Everything. This is the best description I can give to you. Now, will you now answer my question? 1. Do you think the law of entropy allows matter to exist forever? 2. Do you think the laws of physics applies before the big bang? 3. Can the laws of Physics and Chemistry exist without matter? |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 2:34am On Mar 23, 2023 |
TenQ:My questions 1. Ok, from your declarations, I guess Eledumare, Chineke, Thor, Allah, Huitzilopochtli, Viracocha etc is your god. Nice. I'll keep that in mind going forward ![]() 2. You have been dodging this question. Answer it in its entirety 3. Good. Again, how did you arrive at these appellations and characters? Now for your questions 1. Entropy increases as life continues. Entropy too has limitations 2. I don't know. I guess you don't 3. No |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by TenQ: 8:22am On Mar 23, 2023 |
jaephoenix:You have manufactured names I don't know. I guess you don't know that in the Church, we use the term Eledumare, Chineke and Allah to refer to "God" depending on the culture still refering to the same being!? God is a TITLE my friend! jaephoenix:No sir. It's been answered. Your Question: Why do you demarcate your sky daddy from the laws of physics? Whatever Initiated the Big Bang Created the Laws of Physics and Chemistry! Your answer is embedded in the ANSWER to the question: Can the laws of Physics and Chemistry exist without matter? jaephoenix:Does it make sense to you that the material and it's laws are NOT eternal. Doesn't common sense tell you that in the material world, every event has a cause? Just purely logically, an Immaterial Uncaused First-Cause of Everything must Exist! If not, bring your best argument to the contrary? jaephoenix:Entropy has nothing to do with Life but Time. Everything tends towards a state of disorderliness and randomness. Energy become dispersed and temperature gradient become zero. 1. Does this mean that the universe will have an end? 2. Do you agree that If we project back into the past, entropy must be minimum at a point? jaephoenix:I asked: Do you think the laws of physics applies before the big bang? The word "singularity" should tell you that mathematics and computation break down at that point! How can the laws of Physics exist before the big bang? 1. Did matter, time and space exist before the big bang? 2. How many laws of physics do you know that exist without time, space and matter? jaephoenix:I asked: Can the laws of Physics and Chemistry exist without matter? And you are correct. The implication: 1. Before the big bang, matter didn't exist. 2. Therefore before the big bang the laws of physics and chemistry didn't exist 3. It means that the universe was brought into being by a FORCE different from the laws of Physics and Chemistry 4. It would be stupidity to speak about Creation and Existence of Matter using ONLY the Laws of Physics and Chemistry. 5. Christians have always described this Prime Mover (as outside the Laws Of Physics and Chemistry) as the Self Existing Uncaused First-Cause of Everything . If not, bring your best argument to the contrary? |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 9:56am On Mar 23, 2023 |
TenQ:1. Thor, Viracocha, Huitzilopochtli are Aztec, Incan and Scandinavian gods. Since these folks know their gods by these names, and you claim different people and cultures know Yahweh by different names, that means they refer to Yahweh. I know god is a title. But you claiming that that god is your Yahweh is very incorrect because Allah is a god for Muslims, and no Muslim or Christian(except, of course, you) believe they are the same. In fact, it's heresy in some Christian or Muslim quarters 2. You still haven't tendered any evidence that this your yahweh, in fact, exists. You're still conjecturing that he exist. Leave science out of this, you don't know how it works |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by TenQ: 10:29am On Mar 23, 2023 |
If you check well, you are the one who dodge answering questions! jaephoenix:1. Show me just one evidence each of these is your deities are known in Churches as Yahweh or forever keep your mouth shut! I said: I guess you don't know that in the Church, we use the term Eledumare, Chineke and Allah to refer to "God" depending on the culture still referring to the same being!? 2. You have been well informed about this. You need physical evidence right? First, prove to me that: Everything that exist must have physical evidence? You have stylishly AVOIDED all the questions I asked you. I represent them here 1. Does it make sense to you that the material and it's laws are NOT eternal. Doesn't common sense tell you that in the material world, every event has a cause? Just purely logically, an Immaterial Uncaused First-Cause of Everything must Exist! If you disagree with my submission, bring your best argument to the contrary? 2. Entropy has nothing to do with Life but Time. Everything tends towards a state of disorderliness and randomness. Energy become dispersed and temperature gradient become zero. a. Does this mean that the universe will have an end? b. Do you agree that If we project back into the past, entropy must be minimum at a point? 3. I asked: Do you think the laws of physics applies before the big bang? The word "singularity" should tell you that mathematics and computation break down at that point! How can the laws of Physics exist before the big bang? a. Did matter, time and space exist before the big bang? b. How many laws of physics do you know that exist without time, space and matter? 4. I asked: Can the laws of Physics and Chemistry exist without matter? And you are correct. The implication: i. Before the big bang, matter didn't exist. ii. Therefore before the big bang the laws of physics and chemistry didn't exist iii. It means that the universe was brought into being by a FORCE different from the laws of Physics and Chemistry iv. It would be stupidity to speak about Creation and Existence of Matter using ONLY the Laws of Physics and Chemistry. v. Christians have always described this Prime Mover (as outside the Laws Of Physics and Chemistry) as the Self Existing Uncaused First-Cause of Everything . If not, bring your best argument to the contrary? Are you scared of the implications of the logical conclusion? I don't need the bible or any spiritual language to prove the existence of God to you Bro! |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by LadyMan: 11:44am On Mar 23, 2023 |
AntiChristian:Relax bro, God is the first spirit and created all other spirits. God cannot do evil directly, but he can create situations that will make evil or good to come but he uses the other spirits (angels, demons or even the devil to achieve his goal). That was why he created the angels. 1 Like |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by LadyMan: 11:47am On Mar 23, 2023 |
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Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by sonmvayina(m): 2:06pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
Maynman: Is that the whole book you screen shot? How does it relate to what you are saying? Your own problem is epic... |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by Maynman: 2:09pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
I already asked you the question before you brought in eledumare. The book you referred to me was “eledumare” mentioned there? I should be asking you how does it relate? What do they define “god” as? Eledumare didn’t create earth or humans sonmvayina:Why don’t you screenshot the part ![]() I should screenshot the “whole book”, see thinking, just tell me the page or screenshot where marduk is god of israelite. The book you referred to me have you EVER read it? Marduk was NEVER mentioned as god of israelite. “Epic poetry” just like the book where you read about marduk huh. Your problem is ignorance!
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Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by sonmvayina(m): 2:17pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
Maynman: Who created the earth or universe and man in Yoruba mythology? |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by Maynman: 2:18pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
sonmvayina: The book you referred to me have you EVER read it? Marduk was NEVER mentioned as god of israelite. What’s the page or screenshot where marduk is god of israelite?
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Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 2:28pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
TenQ:1. You said this I called the Creator by His Title as the Uncaused First-Cause of Everything; He is my God. People call Him different names depending on their language and tribe And also said this we use the term Eledumare, Chineke and Allah to refer to "God" depending on the culture Now I showed you evidence the names different people, cultures and tribes call their gods , and you're here jawing away by saying this Show me just one evidence each of these is your deities are known in Churches as Yahweh or forever keep your mouth shut ![]() You see how you're turning slippery when being found out ![]() You also ignored where I said Muslim, pagan and Christian gods are accepted to be different by their worshippers(except you) 2. Logic does not support a uncaused first cause. Hope you know the fallacy called Special pleading? ![]() Just in case you're ignorant of it, here it is… Special pleading is an informal fallacy wherein one cites something as an exception to a general or universal principle, without justifying the special exception. It is the application of a double standard. 3. Its not everything that exists that have physical properties but they have other properties which can be measured 4. Las las, leave science alone. You don't know how it works |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by sonmvayina(m): 2:33pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
Maynman: Ok.. Thank you.. |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by Maynman: 2:33pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
sonmvayina:The book you referred to me have you EVER read it? Marduk was NEVER mentioned as god of israelite. What’s the page or screenshot where marduk is god of israelite? Where did you get your own definition of “god” from? Your problem is ignorance.
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Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by TenQ: 4:26pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
If you are bound to cherry picking my questions to answer, it's better you don't even respond to my post. I can understand you don't want to reveal your Ignorance or you are afraid your response will box you into a corner. It is not a nice way for a person who desires to speak from his truth and not deceptive point of view. jaephoenix:And my response didn't show you that the point of view is the church!? Have you EVER in your life heard the adherent of the deities Thor, Viracocha, Huitzilopochtli are Aztec, Incan and Scandinavian gods call their gods remotely by the name Yahweh? It shows that you are very deceptive and insincere in your arguments. jaephoenix:But your eminent logic support that infinite regress of cause and effect is possible! SMH jaephoenix:Abegi Science Guru, What Properties are not physical but measurable? I hope your physical properties are not restricted to just mass and length? I said: Prove to me that: Everything that exist must have physical evidence? Of course, it is not all that exist must have physical evidence ! Yet To you If physical evidence of God is not provided, He doesn't exist. What a LOGIC! See how your logic scatter like the cookies crumble. Again Mr science guru, What Properties are not physical but measurable? jaephoenix:No wonder, you could answer ALL my science questions! Dear Science Guru, I asked you a simple basic 100L question 1. Do you think the law of entropy allows matter to exist forever? Your eminent scientific response was: 1. Entropy increases as life continues. Entropy too has limitations My self study non-scientific self had to respond with: Entropy has nothing to do with Life but Time. Everything tends towards a state of disorderliness and randomness. Energy become dispersed and temperature gradient become zero. And I didn't raise a fuss about your goof! I agree with you that I don't know how science works but at least you are terribly worse off than me. Please stop cherry picking and answer my previous questions |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 5:23pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
TenQ:1. Have you ever in your life seem Muslims call Allah Yahweh? No. Have you seen traditional Yoruba worshippers call Eledumare Yahweh? No. But you said Allah and Eledumare are Yahweh. 2. Yes, my boy, there are non physical entities that are measurable. Examples are wind, gravity, time, microwave, Bluetooth etc. We know their properties and they can be measured ![]() 3. Prove to me that: Everything that exist must have physical evidence? Ok. I have a car so cute that its invisible. There is no physical evidence its parking in my garage, but I drive it to work everyday. Hope you believe me and please don't ask me for evidence. 4. Again leave the scientific arguments alone. You're clueless on how they work 1 Like |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by sonmvayina(m): 5:30pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
Maynman: No need answering you.. It will be like pouring water into a basket.. It will fly over your head.. It's a total waste of time... Shalom.. |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by Maynman: 6:59pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
sonmvayina:You have nothing to say because you are empty and barren and besides I don’t need you to rant your usual jargons, just tell me the page or screenshot where marduk is god of israelite in the Annunaki bible, how hard is it sonmvayina, since days ago, on top book you’ve “read”. ![]() Instead of showing your pseudo knowledge why not sit down and learn and stop disgracing yourself on nairaland. Illiterate scholar that doesn’t know what semitic means ![]() https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdKst8zeh-U If you are humble enough I’ll tutor you on the origin of olorun(eldedumare). In Yoruba Culture, Orun means much more than the heaven/sky you may know about. Keep assuming on ignorance.
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Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by TenQ: 7:30pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
jaephoenix:But it fits your logic to ram up my throat your gods Thor, Viracocha, Huitzilopochtli are Aztec, Incan and Scandinavian gods. jaephoenix:I think I'm wasting my time with you. But let me help you with something to educate you. You will find a list of physical quantities https://www.thoughtco.com/physical-properties-of-matter-list-608342 jaephoenix:Let me give you an example to think about. A software has been complied and loaded on a HDD of a computer, using non software means, prove that a software exist on the HDD? jaephoenix:Unfortunately, you are the ignorant one here. No wonder your best examples of non-physical quantities are Examples are wind, gravity, time, microwave, Bluetooth etc. Did you attend secondary school at all? Please, go learn a little more. You are a time waster. Again, to help you: https://www.thoughtco.com/physical-properties-of-matter-list-608342 |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by Starlight252: 8:05pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Evil is whatever is unfavourable in a particular situation... Murder, enslavement, rape, corruption, violence etc are termed as such because of their effects on us..... |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 8:10pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
TenQ:1. Lol. You're the slippery and ignorant person here. Again lemme remind you. This was your post I called the Creator by His Title as the Uncaused First-Cause of Everything; He is my God. People call Him different names depending on their language and tribe ... and I pointed out people can be anyone, including Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, Scandinavians etc. All these folks have their gods, and as soon I told you their names, you turned around and said I'm forcing stuff on you. Have you lost your mind(if you have any) ? 2. Lol. Youre truly a dunce. You pointed me to a site talking about properties of matter. While we are talking about non physical elements. Like I said, your ignorance of science is appaling Please dont run away A. WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE YOUR YAHWEH EXISTS? B. AND WHAT ARE HIS PROPERTIES AND HOW YOU ARRIVED AT THEM? [color=#990000][/color] Til you answer the above, your attempts at using science to deflect won't work. Good evening ![]() 1 Like |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 8:11pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
Starlight252:Good. Hope you know Yahweh created them all. At least he confessed in Isaiah 1 Like |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by Starlight252: 8:23pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Yahweh is not the source of evil and good since he is not the Origin of Existence. Perhaps he could cause them. For those who believe he is the Origin of Existence, they claim he is only good yet omniprescent, omniscient and omnipotent. Such contradictions baffles me a lot. Well, that's what faith is -believe... |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by Starlight252: 8:36pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
TenQ: These are just my personal thoughts. No offence intended. Thanks. 1. How do you determine that the "Uncaused-First-Cause-of-Everything" is really the origin of existence? Remember, you are only a human -a soul. 2.In relation to existence, what do you think the word "everything" means? 3.Is it possible to measure eternity? 1 Like |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 8:37pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
Starlight252:Yet he boldly said this, without any coercion [b]Isaiah 45:7 King James Version 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things How do you marry the 2 sentences? Yeah, Faith basically means don't think, leave logic and reasoning alone, and believe what an ancient book and scammy old men says |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by Starlight252: 8:48pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Most "gods" claim and "act" supremacy. To act supreme, verrisimilitude is needed. Do you catch my drift? All the efforts is perhaps to obtain something the worshippers do not understand... The Source is too profound to compete with gods. |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by TenQ: 9:38pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
Starlight252:It is impossible to have an infinite regress of Cause and Effect. The implication is that there must be an Originator of the first Effect who must be a First Cause of Everything. Starlight252:Everything include time, space and matter. And all of them have their origin 13.8 billion years ago. Every law of physics and chemistry breakdown as we approach the origin. Starlight252:It is NOT possible to measure eternity. Why? Time started 13.8 billion years ago. It is impossible to measure earlier times than this. Eternity predates the creation of time hence how can you measure what doesn't exist? |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by Starlight252: 10:15pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
TenQ: Everything includes Eternity (the immeasurable) and the First Cause (as you posit, the source of time, space and matter). Now, what is this "Everything?".. |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by KnownUnknown: 11:28pm On Mar 23, 2023 |
jaephoenix: How come they never have sky mommies?! Then sky mommy would have an only begotten daughter and that’s the type of goddess I can get behind ![]() |
Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by jaephoenix(m): 12:05am On Mar 24, 2023 |
Starlight252:No, I don't catch your drift |
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