Mkenya2019:
Well oiled when it was serving Boers and tiny rich majority. The moment it spread to all corners and covered 17m south Africans households the profitable model collapsed as every connection to a poor household is a loss. ANC wanted universal electricity coverage and Eskom is the prize.In short electricity doesn't lend itself to be easily privatised like telecom. If you study the millions of poor households ANC added had zero impact on total consumption but they negatively impact Eskom fundamentals without raising its earnings. Worst it appears ANC made Eskom subsidize the poor even more..a double whammy. THE SOLUTION...separate industry from household..let households pay the real cost of stringing wires long distance for them to watch TV...or get off network and use solar.Universal access is expensive and people need to be aware

That's a myth, Eskom was well equipped to serve the entire population, however it needed new generation capacity which was never introduced, maintenance and uprade on the grid which was never carried out, there was a comprehensive energy plan that Eskom management laid out to the ANC back in the mid 90s which was never followed.

You keep saying that energy doesn't lend it self to easily be privatised however you have no proof of that since the countries with the most reliable and cheapest electricity are 100% private.... How do you explain that?

Try to avoid superficial blame games - of corruption, inefficiency and ANC.
Focus on the root cause
Everyone's know Eskom trouble "started" or well "bubbled" out as blackouts or load shedding beginnings in 2007.
It's been getting worse and worse - as blame game get more bitter and bitter.
People blame those two coal plants - Medubi and other one - poorly designed, corruption, bla de bla.

But the real genesis is way earlier - around 2003. This from Eskom website...read btw the lines

"[b]In March 2004, some 7.8 million households had been connected, a massive jump from the three million households connected in 1990. [/b]Partly in recognition of this achievement, in 2004, Eskom won the Markinor Sunday Times Grand Prix Award for having done the most to uplift the lives of South Africans. It was also identified, in that same year, by Markinor Sunday Times, as South Africa’s most admired brand.

This probably would have been the ideal time for the government to ease off on the electrification programme and put all its effort into helping Eskom avert a looming generation crisis. But that is not what happened; instead, the drive to achieve “universal access” to electricity continued apace. In 2004, in his State of the Nation address, President Mbeki stated that universal access was a policy goal to be achieved by 2012. The problem for Eskom was that, by around 2003, most of the low-hanging fruit had been plucked, formal urban settlements had been electrified, and electrification efforts would focus more on rural areas. Electrification in rural areas is somewhat costlier and requires more bulk infrastructure by way of extended transmission networks and transformers; understandably the rate of electrification slowed. In 1997, there were half a million connections; in 2006, there were just over 150 000. The government’s desire for universal access was also somewhat complicated by changes in policy. Up to 2001, Eskom paid for electrification through cross-subsidies from its major customers. When Eskom’s price compact with government expired, the National Energy Regulator (NER) introduced a more transparent pricing system, which made cross-subsidising unviable. Further, since Eskom started paying taxes in 2001 (as part of the corporatisation process), it was felt that government (as part of its welfare and development function) and not Eskom should be subsidising the electrification programme. So, from 2001, the capital cost of new connections was funded directly from the fiscus. In 2002, the Integrated National Electrification Programme (INEP) was set up, and in 2005, it was established within the Department of Energy (at the time, it was the Department of Minerals and Energy). Yet, even though the budget came from government and was channelled through INEP, it still fell on Eskom to do the bulk of the actual work of electrification. Although municipalities played their part, Eskom was, and continues to be, responsible for the vast majority of connections.
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jl115:

That's a myth, Eskom was well equipped to serve the entire population, however it needed new generation capacity which was never introduced, maintenance and uprade on the grid which was never carried out, there was a comprehensive energy plan that Eskom management laid out to the ANC back in the mid 90s which was never followed.

You keep saying that energy doesn't lend it self to easily be privatised however you have no proof of that since the countries with the most reliable and cheapest electricity are 100% private.... How do you explain that?

Mkenya2019:
Try to avoid superficial blame games - of corruption, inefficiency and ANC.
Focus on the root cause
Everyone's know Eskom trouble "started" or well "bubbled" out as blackouts or load shedding beginnings in 2007.
It's been getting worse and worse - as blame game get more bitter and bitter.
People blame those two coal plants - Medubi and other one - poorly designed, corruption, bla de bla.

But the real genesis is way earlier - around 2003. This from Eskom website...read btw the lines

"[b]In March 2004, some 7.8 million households had been connected, a massive jump from the three million households connected in 1990. [/b]Partly in recognition of this achievement, in 2004, Eskom won the Markinor Sunday Times Grand Prix Award for having done the most to uplift the lives of South Africans. It was also identified, in that same year, by Markinor Sunday Times, as South Africa’s most admired brand.

This probably would have been the ideal time for the government to ease off on the electrification programme and put all its effort into helping Eskom avert a looming generation crisis. But that is not what happened; instead, the drive to achieve “universal access” to electricity continued apace. In 2004, in his State of the Nation address, President Mbeki stated that universal access was a policy goal to be achieved by 2012. The problem for Eskom was that, by around 2003, most of the low-hanging fruit had been plucked, formal urban settlements had been electrified, and electrification efforts would focus more on rural areas. Electrification in rural areas is somewhat costlier and requires more bulk infrastructure by way of extended transmission networks and transformers; understandably the rate of electrification slowed. In 1997, there were half a million connections; in 2006, there were just over 150 000. The government’s desire for universal access was also somewhat complicated by changes in policy. Up to 2001, Eskom paid for electrification through cross-subsidies from its major customers. When Eskom’s price compact with government expired, the National Energy Regulator (NER) introduced a more transparent pricing system, which made cross-subsidising unviable. Further, since Eskom started paying taxes in 2001 (as part of the corporatisation process), it was felt that government (as part of its welfare and development function) and not Eskom should be subsidising the electrification programme. So, from 2001, the capital cost of new connections was funded directly from the fiscus. In 2002, the Integrated National Electrification Programme (INEP) was set up, and in 2005, it was established within the Department of Energy (at the time, it was the Department of Minerals and Energy). Yet, even though the budget came from government and was channelled through INEP, it still fell on Eskom to do the bulk of the actual work of electrification. Although municipalities played their part, Eskom was, and continues to be, responsible for the vast majority of connections.
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Ok and? his proves exactly my point.........Also there isn't any blame game, the ANC sank Eskom like it sank almost every other SOE

I dont question their motive.
They had good intention
But as always the road to hell is paved with good intention.
ANC in bid to ensure universal electricity coverage for all south africans forced Eskom to take on more and more unprofitable business.
And worse they refused to increase tarrifs;
And forced Eskom to even shoulder lower tarrifs to make the poor SANS enjoy cheap power.

Ultimately the solution lies in empowering Eskom by giving them money.

Otherwise South Africa will soon become Nigeria - problem will become so difficult - nobody knows where to start or end.

South Africa should stop blame games.

Give ESKOM money first - to emerge from BANKRUPTCY. The money should come from it's 17 Million customers. Allow Eskom to charge whatever they want to get out of bankruptcy. If they want 1000% increase in price of electricity - do it. Or well look for bailout - that never works - SAA airlines is good example.

Then split Eskom. Then introduce "privitisation" wherever possible. Free market economy doesnt work for electricity sector because it's not like changing your telcom provider. There are wires involved.

jl115:
Ok and? his proves exactly my point.........Also there isn't any blame game, the ANC sank Eskom like it sank almost every other SOE

Mkenya2019:
I dont question their motive.
They had good intention
But as always the road to hell is paved with good intention.
ANC in bid to ensure universal electricity coverage for all south africans forced Eskom to take on more and more unprofitable business.
And worse they refused to increase tarrifs;
And forced Eskom to even shoulder lower tarrifs to make the poor SANS enjoy cheap power.

Ultimately the solution lies in empowering Eskom by giving them money.

Otherwise South Africa will soon become Nigeria - problem will become so difficult - nobody knows where to start or end.

South Africa should stop blame games.

Give ESKOM money first - to emerge from BANKRUPTCY. The money should come from it's 17 Million customers. Allow Eskom to charge whatever they want to get out of bankruptcy. If they want 1000% increase in price of electricity - do it. Or well look for bailout - that never works - SAA airlines is good example.

Then split Eskom. Then introduce "privitisation" wherever possible. Free market economy doesnt work for electricity sector because it's not like changing your telcom provider. There are wires involved.

Nothing wrong with universal electricity , that's also not what sunk Eskom....Like I said Eskom management set out a comprehensive energy plan to ensure the profitability and sustainability of Eskom as well as providing universal coverage.

Also do you have any idea how much money Eskom has received?? have you even just googled it?? If you did you wouldn't be saying "give eskom money" as it stands Eskom is losing R1billion a month just because of corruption and your suggestion is to give more money for people to steal?? I suggest you watch Andre de Ruyters interview and come back

Your suggestions are literally ludicrous....increase tariffs by 1000%? and yet in your previous post you were talking about how the poor will be left out if privatised? do you not see the hypocrisy?

SAA is in the process of being privatised...should of happened years ago. Eskom should follow the same route.

You don't have to buy the entire grid, that's the point, you can by parts of it....and yes electricity is the same as any other business including telecoms.

Beautiful African village settings in the Northern Region of Ghana.

#Location: Hamamat Shea Butter Village, Tamale.

But do we have an option......

According to a worldwide survey conducted by the Pew Research Centre, Ghana is the 3rd country in the world that loves America, behind the Philippines and Israel. The research indicated Ghanaians love USA more than the Americans love their own country.

vaxx:
Beautiful African village settings in the Northern Region of Ghana.

#Location: Hamamat Shea Butter Village, Tamale.

This will be rocket science in Kenya...

According to rvp, unprofitable for power companies

vaxx:
Beautiful African village settings in the Northern Region of Ghana.

#Location: Hamamat Shea Butter Village, Tamale.

I love home the northern Region can really be beautiful when the rains set in.

According to some villager from Kenya, arid regions can't be farmed on

vaxx:
Vice-President of the United States Kamala Harris landed in Ghana Sunday afternoon (26 March) to begin her three-nation African tour.

The Americans know what they are about

I hope Africa have a counter to the diabolic plans the Americans have come up with for Africa.


China and Russia have introduced a new world order that every African country must sign up on

Just30:
This will be rocket science in Kenya...

According to rvp, unprofitable for power companies

if there is anything Ghana has really done well . It is the electricity sector. Nearly every nook and cranny in Ghana are electrified . Even the remote village which is not connected by road nor water constantly experience 24/7 electricity .

vaxx:
But do we have an option......

According to a worldwide survey conducted by the Pew Research Centre, Ghana is the 3rd country in the world that loves America, behind the Philippines and Israel. The research indicated Ghanaians love USA more than the Americans love their own country.

Ghanaians love the idea of liberty and appreciate a place where it is practised the most

vaxx:
if there is anything Ghana has really done well . It is the electricity. Nearly every nook and cranny in Ghana are electrified . Even the remote village which is not connected by road nor water

Gbam !

Even mud houses are fitted with pre-paid meters.

vaxx:
if there is anything Ghana has really done well . It is the electricity sector. Nearly every nook and cranny in Ghana are electrified . Even the remote village which is not connected by road nor water constantly experience 24/7 electricity .

we don't seem to have appreciated Gridco and ECG as much.

Basically all utility providers here are so diligent

vaxx:
Beautiful African village settings in the Northern Region of Ghana.

#Location: Hamamat Shea Butter Village, Tamale.

The largest reafforestation ever carried out in Africa may have been the ones carried out in the three Northern regions of Ghana.

Just30:
we don't seem to have appreciated Gridco and ECG as much.

Basically all utility providers here are so diligent

I always have this assurance at the back of my mind whenever I am traveling to rural Ghana that there will be light supply and I have never been disappointed . What I want now is realiable internet speed anywhere anytime like the electricity.

vaxx:
I always have this assurance at the back of my mind whenever I am traveling to rural Ghana that there will be light supply and I have never been disappointed . What I want now is realiable internet speed anywhere anytime like the electricity.

That's a problem Starlink is trying to solve

I wish African government were more interested.
So that they can provide base receivers in each tiny community and it will cost govt just a tiny bit of money that it can bill the entire nation with

vaxx:
if there is anything Ghana has really done well . It is the electricity sector. Nearly every nook and cranny in Ghana are electrified . Even the remote village which is not connected by road nor water constantly experience 24/7 electricity .

No one can ever deny this. Even Dele Momodu had something to say on it on his IG account.

popizaino:



And In terms of electricity I can tell you they've done absolutely well, nearly every villages and towns have been connected to the National grid, evident of this is seen mostly at night when driving through the country side.

You dont know what arid means. From that picture - your north region would be one of kenya best land. The same for Nigeria North. Your poverty at the north is down to pure laziness.

Kenya north - places like Turkana - temperatures alone over around 40 celius degrees all year long. There is no single grass or soil. Just stones, shrubs and rest. And this true for 2/3 of kenya.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnp5tjKU-9k

Just30:
I love home the northern Region can really be beautiful when the rains set in.

According to some villager from Kenya, arid regions can't be farmed on

I watch that dude interview - it's full of blame game - blaming corruption is easy - but that wont solve the problem. Money will solve the problem.

And 1B a month of rand to Eskom is nothing compared to the economic price your'e paying. Assume that Eskom mess is costing GDP loss of 1% of your gdp, tt 5.5 trillion rand...1% is 55B rand; if it knock out 2 percent; that is 110B rands.

jl115:

Nothing wrong with universal electricity , that's also not what sunk Eskom....Like I said Eskom management set out a comprehensive energy plan to ensure the profitability and sustainability of Eskom as well as providing universal coverage.

Also do you have any idea how much money Eskom has received?? have you even just googled it?? If you did you wouldn't be saying "give eskom money" as it stands Eskom is losing R1billion a month just because of corruption and your suggestion is to give more money for people to steal?? I suggest you watch Andre de Ruyters interview and come back

Your suggestions are literally ludicrous....increase tariffs by 1000%? and yet in your previous post you were talking about how the poor will be left out if privatised? do you not see the hypocrisy?

SAA is in the process of being privatised...should of happened years ago. Eskom should follow the same route.

You don't have to buy the entire grid, that's the point, you can by parts of it....and yes electricity is the same as any other business including telecoms.

rvp20182:
I watch that dude interview - it's full of blame game - blaming corruption is easy - but that wont solve the problem. Money will solve the problem.

And 1B a month of rand to Eskom is nothing compared to the economic price your'e paying. Assume that Eskom mess is costing GDP loss of 1% of your gdp, tt 5.5 trillion rand...1% is 55B rand; if it knock out 2 percent; that is 110B rands.

De Ruyter is a man of impeccable character he didn't need to do that interview, and his fight to stop corruption at Eskom nearly cost him his life.

And obviously you never watch the interview since if you did you would've known about the rampant and purposeful sabotage at Eskom.... How can you R 1 billion a month at Eskom isn't a problem? Again you are saying ludicrous things!!

Also since you can't Google yourself, Eskom has received no less than R270 billion in bailouts..... That's 20% of the Kenyan GDP to put that in perspective.... Obviously throwing money at Eskom doesn't work.

Again, fighting corruption and improving effeciency are nice to do things, in the near future.

For now, Eskom has 400 billion rand ($24.32 billion) debt that need to be repaid so it can come out of it's bankruptcy

South Africa gov doesnt have that 25B dollars to give Eskom - therefore allow Eskom to raise electricity prices to cover cost of backdated cooperation and efficiency.

You got to pay that debt first.

Then we can discuss improvements required in power sector.

The more you delay dealing with reality - the more your economy, quality of life and well being worsen.

From 2010 till now it's been -1 or 1% or zero growth of GDP.

jl115:

De Ruyter is a man of impeccable character he didn't need to do that interview, and his fight to stop corruption at Eskom nearly cost him his life.

And obviously you never watch the interview since if you did you would've known about the rampant and purposeful sabotage at Eskom.... How can you R 1 billion a month at Eskom isn't a problem? Again you are saying ludicrous things!!

Also since you can't Google yourself, Eskom has received no less than R270 billion in bailouts..... That's 20% of the Kenyan GDP to put that in perspective.... Obviously throwing money at Eskom doesn't work.

rvp20182:
You dont know what arid means. From that picture - your north region would be one of kenya best land. The same for Nigeria North. Your poverty at the north is down to pure laziness.

Kenya north - places like Turkana - temperatures alone over around 40 celius degrees all year long. There is no single grass or soil. Just stones, shrubs and rest. And this true for 2/3 of kenya.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnp5tjKU-9k

Excuses upon excuse for laziness

They are standing on good soil and all they need is water ... Temperatures up north of Ghana is mostly in the 43 degree Celsius range and the land looks just like turkana for 9 to 10 months of the year untill it rains for the next 2 to 3 months.

At least turkana has grass and shrubs which means it can be reafforested just like Northern Ghana.


Kenya is just to dumb to provide irrigation facilities.

With more than 2 times the cultivated lands of Ghana, Kenya should be growing more food than Ghana but you don't.

There is no soil idiot in those places - that is sand. The picture you earlier shared would pass for some best arable land in kenya.

The donkeys your posted here have more sense than your resident mad cow.

Just30:
Excuses upon excuse for laziness

They are standing on good soil and all they need is water ... Temperatures up north of Ghana is mostly in the 43 degree Celsius range and the land looks just like turkana for 9 to 10 months of the year untill it rains for the next 2 to 3 months.

At least turkana has grass and shrubs which means it can be reafforested just like Northern Ghana.


Kenya is just to dumb to provide irrigation facilities.

With more than 2 times the cultivated lands of Ghana, Kenya should be growing more food than Ghana but you don't.

rvp20182:
There is no soil idiot in those places - that is sand. The picture you earlier shared would pass for some best arable land in kenya.

The donkeys your posted here have more sense than your resident mad cow.

Idiot does the land look like rocks to you ?

You just take pride in being a lunatic.

The picture shared here has been after years of work to restore the soil ... Still it gets very dry and unpleasant during the dry season without rains.


Turkana lands are highly fertile soil but because you guys won't invest money there, you've left them hungry.

The soil in Egypt, Algeria and co are much drier than in turkana and they still farm from it

Usual daily rant of a mad cow.

Just30:
Idiot does the land look like rocks to you ?

You just take pride in being a lunatic.

The picture shared here has been after years of work to restore the soil ... Still it gets very dry and unpleasant during the dry season without rains.


Turkana lands are highly fertile soil but because you guys won't invest money there, you've left them hungry.

The soil in Egypt, Algeria and co are much drier than in turkana and they still farm from it

SUFFERInSMILIIN:


No petrol

Nigeria's problem has always been illiteracy . A Nigerian will vote for somebody next day they are running away from the person

Please we need another season of the SUFFERInSMILIIN show . I need the laughs

rvp20182:
Usual daily rant of a mad cow.

Usual lunatic comment when locked out of a conversation cause he has no knowledge on it

The US has become the mad man of the World and are busy training coup instigators and coup leaders to take down African govt who don't align with them and their sinking economy and dollar.

Africa needs a plan now

Nope, you need to seek urgent medical help or take your meds.

Just30:
The US has become the mad man of the World and are busy training coup instigators and coup leaders to take down African govt who don't align with them and their sinking economy and dollar.

Africa needs a plan now

Just30:
Idiot does the land look like rocks to you ?

You just take pride in being a lunatic.

The picture shared here has been after years of work to restore the soil ... Still it gets very dry and unpleasant during the dry season without rains.


Turkana lands are highly fertile soil but because you guys won't invest money there, you've left them hungry.

The soil in Egypt, Algeria and co are much drier than in turkana and they still farm from it

Don't elevate buffoonery as the year goes by. The north of Ghana is a typical normal climate of konza City or Machakos. Simple data scrutiny would have sufficed; if glaucoma was truly treated by year 2022.