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Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by obedience4(m): 9:46am On Mar 28, 2023 |
By Adam Durbin BBC News The first shipment of Leopard 2 tanks from Germany has been sent to Ukraine, the German defence ministry says Eighteen cutting-edge main battle tanks were delivered after Ukrainian crews were trained to use them.Defence Minister Boris Pistorius said he was sure the tanks could "make a decisive contribution" on the frontlines of the war Challenger 2 tanks from the UK have also arrived, according to reports from Ukraine. Ukraine has been calling for more modern vehicles and weapon systems for months to help fight Russia's invasion. The Ukrainian government is yet to comment on the arrival of the Leopard 2s, but they have confirmed the arrival of the first UK-made Challenger 2 tanks. Around 2,000 Leopard 2s, widely regarded as being among the best main battle tanks produced by Nato countries, are in use by European countries. Germany agreed to supply the tanks to Ukraine in January, after being initially reluctant to do so - or even to permit other countries from sending their own Under German law, Berlin must approve Leopard 2s being re-exported by any country. German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius said the tanks "have made it into the hands of our Ukrainian friends as promised and on time".The German army has trained Ukrainian tank crews to use the advanced A6 variant of the Leopard 2 over the past several weeks They have been specifically designed to compete with the Russian T-90 main battle tank and is considered to be easier to maintain and more fuel-efficient than most other Western tanks. On top of the Leopard 2s, Germany has also sent Ukraine two specialist tank-recovery vehicles and 40 Marder infantry fighting vehicles. Meanwhile, Challenger 2 tanks from the UK "are in Ukraine already", defence ministry spokeswoman Iryna Zolotar told AFP news agency Posting a picture of a Challenger 2 alongside other Western-made military vehicles on his Facebook page, Defence Minister Oleksii Reznikov described the British vehicle as a work of military art. The UK Ministry of Defence declined to comment but earlier confirmed Ukrainian tank crews training in Britain had returned home after completing their training with the tanks. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65095126 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by pansophist(m): 7:33pm On Mar 28, 2023 |
Tank that can't bring back the territories taken, is that one tank? ![]() 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by obedience4(m): 8:40pm On Mar 28, 2023 |
pansophist: All Ukrainian land will be reclaimed. Ukraine won't be the first country to reclaimed lost lands in battle neither will it be the last, Kharviv, layman, south of kershon, we're all liberated from Russia last year, more will join them this year 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by pol23: 12:10am On Mar 29, 2023 |
Good. Let the long awaited destruction start... This Tank will only make Russia to be brutal.. my assumption is that Ukraine will lose more province and men, I believe they will be met with a more brutal force. Well, since Ukrainians believe they are on the right path, my assumption doesn't matter. 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Nobody: 5:01am On Mar 29, 2023 |
obedience4: Ukraine has lost probably close to 300,000 troops but both them and the west continue to lie. Several months ago, the head of EU, that Lying woman mistakenly said over 100k troops are dead at a time when the Ukrainians claim they have just 20k dead. In Soledar alone, the Russians piled their corpses fling 20 massive trucks. One soldier granting interview to DW in Backmut was crying saying there are tens of thousands dead. Una never see anything. Unna eye go see shege! Meanwhile Ukraine has one of the lowest civilian deaths in an invasion, perhaps one-,tenth that if Iraq but the West says Russia is evil. When Russia finally decided to be wicked everyone will be running helter skelter. 5 Likes |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by obedience4(m): 8:44am On Mar 29, 2023 |
atmy1: You seems very angry πππ, one question what do you perceive is the total Russia casualties in the war so far? Let keep sentiment aside, since last year October when the Russian military took muripol which other big city have the Russians took? One tiny solder Town ![]() Bakhmut for over 8months still standing till tomorrow. Stop being a bitter lady, ladies are suppose to prone to sympathize with the weak, but you seems to be from a different make.. Putin has failed, failed in toping the Ukrainian government, failed in taking the capital, failed in assuming that the west would fracture when put on inmese pressure, failed to use gas as a weapon, winter sadly is over, Failed to scare nations from joining NATO, finish and the swedes to join this coming fall, failed in underestimating the will of the Ukrainian people to fight, failed in forcing his people to a senseless war, as the number of protest against the mobilization, and the number of people that have fled russia |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Antiochus(m): 8:57am On Mar 29, 2023 |
From Javelin=> Bayraktar drones=> HIMARS => Switch Blade drones. You can see that no one is talking about all these weapons anymore. The weapons they thought would be game changers for Ukraine didn't change the tide of the war. Now it is Leopard tanks, fighter jets. ![]() Ukraine can't win this war. Zelensky should have known this. 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by obedience4(m): 1:40pm On Mar 29, 2023 |
Antiochus: Funny boy The dynamics of the battle has change thus the need for different weapons to meet each battle needs. When the Russians invade keiv, it was an urban warfare, as Russia wanted to topple the keiv government, thus the javelin was used by the Ukrainian as the Russians tanks and infantry vehicles tried to navigate the busy and clusted keiv streets, the javelin anti tanks missles and the bayatar drones were effective to curtain the Russian from capturing keiv. When the Russians shamefully retreated and focus on the donbass the javelin anti tanks missles are useless, bescuse the war of donbass when it started was more of an artillery war, hence the Ukrainian started asking for weapons that fit the nature of battle been fought, They asked for the USA military artillery weapons like the howizters and then when USA hirmass to hit Russian targets.. After Russia failure in the donbass, or such I put continued failure, when winter approached, the Russian stated attacking energy facilities, thus the Ukrainian government started asking for anti missles weapons hence the deployment of the USA patriot missles defence systems. Now the war is in a critical state, the Ukrainian has talked about a counter offensive, thus they are asking for jets and tanks, you can't mount a successful offensive without tanks, The weapons the Ukrainian are asking are weapons tailored to fit present need of the military needs in the battle field. 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by seunny4lif(m): 3:29pm On Mar 29, 2023 |
Antiochus:Zelensky himself said that many of their allies are already complaining about financing Ukraine war. He said many are already tell Ukrainians to accept Chinese offer and if Ukraine lose more land. Next USA president will determine the fate of Ukraine. I remembered Saint Javelin poster Himars has game changer yet nothing have changed. Same Leopard tanks, Syria rebels were destroying when Turk troops invaded Northern part of Syria against PKK and ISIS. 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Akuruoulo(m): 4:43pm On Mar 29, 2023 |
pansophist:i knew how ukraine collected many territories without stress. common backyard weak neighbours russia can't overrun |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Akuruoulo(m): 4:50pm On Mar 29, 2023 |
seunny4lif:russians have use more advanced missiles in ukraine and yet nothing changed. u should get concerned abt russia that isn't living up to expectation in poor neighbouring ukraine. |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by obedience4(m): 5:54pm On Mar 29, 2023 |
seunny4lif: You see the problem with most of you guys is that you don't learn, The javelin is an anti tank missles, a portable one, it is used for close combat against tanks at close range, When the Russians invade Ukraine, and tried to take over keiv, the javelin was instrumental in pushing back the Russian offensive, The javelin fitted the early encounters because it was used to ambushed tanks when they tried to navigate through the streets of keiv.. The javelin has done its part, if the Russians foolishly attack keiv again through a landed offensive with tanks and infantry vehicles the javelin will be brought to the fall front of the battle, Now the war is being fought in the flat Plains of the donbass the javelin is not needed, I don't need to tell you the amount of effect the hirmass is causing in Ukraine, wasn't it not in last year Russians bombers the tupolev were taken out of action in deep criemea, or the over 80 Russians soilders killed when the hirmass destroyed a training facility in kershon, Or the death of Russians infantry soilders when the hirmars brought down a platform bridge drowning them in their tanks and infantry vehicles. Or the numbers of command station taken out by the hirmass, Was it not just a month after the introduction of the hirmars that the Ukrainian took the northern city of karhiv took lyman, and took kershon, yet you claim it didn't change anything πππππ The hirmass is a game changer, and still is.and will continue to be. Wasn't not here in nairalnad your fellow punks were celebrating a fake news that the hirmars was destroyed by rhssain military.. The tanks and the infantry Bradley vehicles will make significant impact in the Ukrainian offensive Been cooked up. You said also that Ukraine president is complaining about the west be angry about the cost of the WAr ![]() Like we're do you get your info from, The same west who approved sending more weapons just last month during the NATO meeting in Brussels We're even Germany first reluctant is agreeing to send it's tanks, Even the EU approve over 300milion euros for ammunition for Ukraine.. Just last week here Nawaoo .. The west will keep spending, a Russian backed regime in keiv is more expensive than sending military aid to keiv 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by seunny4lif(m): 7:56pm On Mar 29, 2023 |
Akuruoulo:Russia have used more advanced weapons ke. But does they said Russia have ran out of weapons since last year April. Even British officials said Russia military are now using Shovels and Cutlasses in the war front. My brother with one do you want me to believe. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Nobody: 12:37am On Mar 30, 2023 |
obedience4: You are sitting in your dark corner assuming you know Russia's objectives. Rememberπππ even Zelenzky's former aide, Arestivych said Russia didn't intend to kill anyone. The Russians went soft and the low Civilian casualty attests to this. |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Nobody: 12:39am On Mar 30, 2023 |
seunny4lif: They are using shovels but decimating them and winning territories in Backmut. Russia doesn't want to destroy Eastern Ukraine, it wants to liberate it intact from the silly ukronazis then the rest of Ukraine can go to hell. |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Oniks001(m): 3:37am On Mar 30, 2023 |
atmy1:Exactly, if Russia really want to decimate the whole of Ukraine,they can do it cos they have the means, but itβs not what they want.Kiev metro is still running, railways, transport systems. Russia is not that evil like the westerners |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by obedience4(m): 11:30am On Mar 30, 2023 |
atmy1: Hahahahshhshsh, wow, this is one if the most funny thing I have read in a while, You don't need to be in the headquarters of the Russian defence ministry to know what the intention of Putin was when he invaded Ukraine, the movement of troops, the way they tried to encicred keiv, know that Putin original plan was to take keiv, it is Crystal clear what the objectives were, even the blind knows it. Why move an entire mechanised infantry regiment all the way from the Belarus if you weren't interested in capturing keiv, yet the Russia military planners tried to capture the hostmel airport with spentaz operatives To used as a staging area to advance into the west of keiv.. The Russians didn't intend to kill anyone πππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππ Yet you attack a soverigien nation, kept bombing the keiv for months, sending large column of military hardware to encircled keiv, yet he never intend to take keiv or kill anyone. Even after failing woefully to topple the government, Yet the Russians embarked on an energy war, bombarding the Ukrainian energy facilities all over the country, knowing fully well that winter was around Yet one girl in nairaland is telling me Russia/putin never intend to kill anyone. Please shove your f***ing opinion down your f***ing ass |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Emma15678: 5:30pm On Mar 30, 2023 |
obedience4:Abeg which failure in the Donbass? ΒΎ of Donbass is under Russian control and you are talking crap. Of course, everyone with a brain knows that no army fighting this kind of war will be on the offensive forever. In the Korean war there are several offensives and counteroffensives. I don't know why you are blind to this. So who won this first round of offensives and counteroffensives? The answer is Russia. In a year of war, Ukraine lost 15% of her population and 17% of her land mass to Russia. |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Emma15678: 5:39pm On Mar 30, 2023 |
obedience4:1. So because Kiev is not the target, ATGMS have become useless. I don't need to argue on this, go and learn the art of warfare. What happened is that Russia deployed advanced T-90M to the front, this tank can survive Javelin hits because of it Relikt ERA. 2. Wait a minute, which tupolev bombers were destroyed in Crimea? I would like to know them. Last I checked only tactical fighters were destroyed, similar to when an Iraqi scud hit King Abdulazzi Airbase in Saudi, destroying some US aircraft. 3. I don't need to argue to insignificance of "HIMARS" on the battlefield. My question is, Where is HIMARS when Russia took: 1. Paraskovievka 2. Soledar 3. Gryanikovka? Note that the focus of the war is on attrition. HIMARS is no Wunderwaffe. It's just a rocket launcher similar to Tornado and Smerch systems are 1 Like |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by leroi01(m): 6:00pm On Mar 30, 2023 |
Zelensky will not stop until he asks for nukes. |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by obedience4(m): 7:11am On Mar 31, 2023 |
Emma15678: Lol, funny Those tiny towns you just mention ππππ When did the 2nd most powerful nation nation Russia took a major city since muripol.. This is one is hyping little small towns with no military significant, Please no tanks even the USA Abram's will survive a direct hit from a javelin, go google the the javelin, it hits the top of the tank were there is little protection The javelin anti tanks missles shots two projectiles one hitting the rear and the other the top a little google will help you. Please google the attack on the criema airfield the tupolev bombers were destroyed, I don't have anything more to say to you, you have a phone help yourself. You are comparing the hirmas to the Russian smerch πππππππππ€£ππ€£ππ€£ Lol, first of go check the ranges of the hirmas missles We are talking about accuracy with its GPS geolocation platform this one is talking about an outdated rhssain rocket systems. Since the fall of the city of muripol what major city has Russian taken, yet the Ukrainian has taken kherson, kharviv, taken the entire northern Ukraine from Russia. Even Bakhmut the Russian are still trying to capture for over a year now ππ When the Ukrainians starts their offensive this year, just has they did last year, the shortcomings of the Russians will be front roll sit comedy |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by obedience4(m): 7:21am On Mar 31, 2023 |
Emma15678: The early success the Russians had was because of the shock of the Russian surprise invention, The Russians military is wack. As soon as the war stabilises and the Ukrainian were able to regroup and the battle theater was defind the Russian military weakness was visible to all to see. The question is this in the last 7 to 8 months has the Russians made any single advancement, the Ukrainian took kershon, took the entire northern Ukraine from Russia, took the strategic transport hub of Lyman took kharviv, What major success has the Russians have since, Solder ![]() The Bakhmut still In Ukrainian hands after almost a year trying to capture it. The dombas the Ukrainian people has taken more of the territories the Russian took when the war started, |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Emma15678: 4:34pm On Mar 31, 2023 |
obedience4: 1. Territorial gains Yes they are tiny towns but which tiny towns have Ukraine taken since November? In order to make up for her failure to make territorial gains, Ukraine took Novaya Kakhovka on Twitter only to make U-turn laterππ€£π€£π€£. Apart from Mariupol, Russia took Severondonetsk, Lysyschank and most of the other smaller towns that make up Luhansk. FYI, Russia still holds 1% of Kharkov and 60% of Kherson. 2. Russian weapons As I can see you have been brainwashed inti the belif that Western weapons are better than the Russian ones. The screenshots below will help. 3. No strategic bombers were taken out in Crimea. Only tactical fighters β Su-24 Fencer, Su-30 and the like of it 4. Javelin Javelin works beause it uses a tandem warhead which detonates Explosive Reactive Armour which guards the tank, ERA can be mounted ANYWHERE on a tank. Relikt ERA is very effective is defeating tandem warheads. Right, so, first things first. Explaining tandem warheads. Not the best image, but it will suffice. Tandem charge missiles, are designed to defeat ERA by detonating it early. The forward charge is usually a much smaller shaped charge as compared to the main one. When the warhead hit, the forward charge triggers, behaving like any other shaped charge warhead does for the purposes of setting off the explosives in the ERA. Since the ERA charge is expended, there isnβt really anything that can stop the main charge from attempting to pierce the vehicles armour. As for building an ERA that can defeat a tandem charge warhead, this is where things get really interesting. In normal ERA, you send an outer plate outwards at an angle. The movement of the plate disrupts the movement and formation of the metallic jet generated by the shaped charge, degrading itβs performance. Simple explosive, simple reaction. Now, Relikt, from what I can tell, works a little differently. In the case of Relikt, it appears that the explosive layer is instead comprised of several shaped charges. The shaped charges within the armour are built as channels, essentially forming blades of molten metal that fly out from the ERA package in combination with the top plate. These blades also appear to trigger in sequence, with the channels closest to the one damaged popping first. This delay means that, in all probability, the missiles main charge will be in position to get sliced apart before it can detonate. Shaped charge warheads are also delicate items. Thereβs very little actual explosive charge, with the penetration instead being dependent on how well the explosive can actually shape the molten penetrator. Slicing the main charge and itβs metallic liner into two or more sections renders it substantially less effective. This also has the benefit of being really effective against sabots, as the sabot is sliced apart, rendering it a fraction of the threat it initially posed. Of note, that appears to be the direction most ERA development is going, as Russia is far from the only country with a patent for this kind of system. https://www.google.com/url?q=https://insidegnss.com/russia-unveils-new-glonass-guided-200-km-range-missile-squadrons/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjnwdi3vYb-AhULoaQKHRoiBD0QFnoECAEQAg&usg= |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Emma15678: 4:35pm On Mar 31, 2023 |
obedience4:It was NOT A suprised invasion. Ukraine prepared for 8yrs with US military Intel and weapons. Russia will launch offensives in the spring. |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by obedience4(m): 8:03pm On Mar 31, 2023 |
Emma15678: No amout of Intel or intelligence gathering can decode what's In someone heart, The USA and the west were sounding that the military build up in the Russian Ukraine borders and in the berlaus Ukraine borders, Yet the Russian military and even the forgien minister larov denied that they were going to invade, Nobody believe that Putin will try to invade Ukraine, and even if they were to invade it will be limited to the donbass region, instead Putin went for the big price keiv, The Ukrainian were I'll prepared for a large scale incursion into Ukraine especially an attack against the government. |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Emma15678: 10:53pm On Mar 31, 2023 |
obedience4:That's a big lie. Ukraine knew right from November 2021. The US transferred lots of Intel. Even when thousands were massing up on the Belarus border. They even knew when the attack on Hostomel was impending. |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Oniks001(m): 2:15am On Apr 01, 2023 |
obedience4: I disagree bro, the invasion wasnβt a suprise, they hv been preparing massively for the day. Even Angela merkel said it, Francois hollandie, and the then president porashenko. They all affirmed that the reason they didnβt want to implement the Minsk accord was cos they want to prepare their military,and this is the result. itβs on record. So stop telling lies. |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by obedience4(m): 2:27am On Apr 01, 2023 |
Emma15678: The Russians are know just like the north Koreans for escalating tensions, they were massing troops on the Belarus border, is not sufficient enough to believe am attack was eminent the Russian said it was a military drill, the belarusian government said it was a military deployment against, No body would have thought that Belarus would allow it's territories to be used as a staging point to attack Ukraine. Any decent dude working in his house could seen the troops massing In the Russian Ukraine borders or berlaus Ukraine borders. With satilite enable with GPS The Intel wasn't that Russian were massing troops even the Ukrainian in the donbass could see the movement of troops, the Russians still did this massing troops in 2014 during the Crimea crisis, but never attacked. The real Intel was is this a bluff, is Putin really mad enough to invade another country, was Putin really going to put is country on a war path. that was the Intel the Ukrainian people needed, but even the USA can't decode what's up with Putin and it's inner most thoughts, even the Russian soilders, up to the last minute the invasion was given the green light didn't even know they were going to invade Ukraine That's the level of secrecy Putin put in the invasion of Ukraine |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by obedience4(m): 2:33am On Apr 01, 2023 |
Oniks001: The Russians are know just like the north Koreans for escalating tensions, they were massing troops on the Belarus border, is not sufficient enough to believe am attack was eminent the Russian said it was a military drill, the belarusian government said it was a military deployment against, No body would have thought that Belarus would allow it's territories to be used as a staging point to attack Ukraine. Any decent dude working in his house could seen the troops massing In the Russian Ukraine borders or berlaus Ukraine borders. With satilite enable with GPS The Intel wasn't that Russian were massing troops even the Ukrainian in the donbass could see the movement of troops, the Russians still did this massing troops in 2014 during the Crimea crisis, but never attacked. The real Intel was is this a bluff, is Putin really mad enough to invade another country, was Putin really going to put is country on a war path. that was the Intel the Ukrainian people needed, but even the USA can't decode what's up with Putin and it's inner most thoughts, even the Russian soilders, up to the last minute the invasion was given the green light didn't even know they were going to invade Ukraine That's the level of secrecy Putin put in the invasion of Ukraine The Ukrainian prepared for war, not this large scale war, even the USA has a contingency plans Im place against a Russian attack or a Chinese attack, it is normal to have such plans, What am saying that no body knew that Putin was going to invade the way it did, attacking the center of the Ukrainian government in keiv, I and alot of people thought the invasion would be limited to the donbass region were Putin claimed that ethnic Russians groups were been killed. |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Oniks001(m): 2:36am On Apr 01, 2023 |
obedience4: I m quite sure u know the real truth,but for some reason decides to immense yourself in ignorance. The fact is UKR have never won any battle against the Russians. Never. The so called battle of Kherson never happened, Russia withdrew from Kiev after the instanbul peace accord,and they left with all their weapons intact. Kiev was surrounded for 2 weeks or more and the plan almost worked if not for Boris that flew to Kiev to ask Elensky not to. If they really wanted to take Kiev, they would hv but it will only be a short term victory, those Nazis will form an insurgency group to fight against the Russian appointed govt. the US shock and awe type of warfare doesnβt give a long term victory, we hv seen that in Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan. It involves lots of civilian casualities, and to win a war u need the local civilians on your side. Thatβs the reason America lost most of their wars. I hv never met any middle eastern person that has something good to say abt them, yet they claim they brought Freedom . |
Re: Ukraine War: Germany Sends Much-awaited Leopard Tanks by Nobody: 5:02pm On Apr 01, 2023 |
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