kingyakos:
■ A man who doubted God and dishonor Jesus Christ is not a sinner?...

1. What man dishonored Jesus Christ?

kingyakos:



1. No, John the Baptist was not a sinner. undecided

A man who doubted God and dishonor Jesus Christ is not a sinner?...

Again, Jesus Christ told you He was sent to call the sinners, and not the righteous, to God.


In that context Jesus Christ was referring to the Pharisees, especially those of them who sit in high places in synagogue. Those who believe in the law, the old wine instead of the new wine, those who believe in the eye for an eye justice instead of forgiveness, those who accused Christ of performing healing on Sabbath day but went to the well to get water for their Carmel. The Pharisees saw themselves as righteous people that's why Christ told them that he didn't come for them but for the sinners.

Kobojunkie:
1. What man dishonored Jesus Christ?

John the Baptist

kingyakos:
■ John the Baptist

1. I am not certain what you mean.

Kobojunkie:
1. I am not certain what you mean.

First he baptised Christ he made a statement saying he's not worthy of losing the shoe lace of Christ.
During baptism of Christ a voice came from heaven saying " this is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased and a dove descended from heaven into Christ and John the Baptist was a witness to it, and same John the Baptist sent his disciples to go asked Jesus Christ if he's truly the Messiah or he should expect another Messiah. What a dishonor to Jesus Christ.

kingyakos:
■ First he baptised Christ he made a statement saying he's not worthy of losing the shoe lace of Christ. During baptism of Christ a voice came from heaven saying " this is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased and a dove descended from heaven into Christ and John the Baptist was a witness to it, and same John the Baptist sent his disciples to go asked Jesus Christ if he's truly the Messiah or he should expect another Messiah. What a dishonor to Jesus Christ.

1. Nobody send you abeg!

John was a prophet of God's Old Covenant, not a follower of Jesus Christ. He was judged righteous by God Himself according to His Old Law and standard.

Kobojunkie:
1. Nobody send you abeg!

John was a prophet of God's Old Covenant, not a follower of Jesus Christ. He was judged righteous by God Himself according to His Old Law and standard.

Try read Bible to understand no be to dey float around with am.


God will not judge anyone by the law but by their understanding of God's word.

kingyakos:
■ Try read Bible to understand no be to dey float around with am. God will not judge anyone by the law but by their understanding of God's word.

1. You just admitted by the statement in bold a complete lack of understanding as far as who God is. So, it didn't ever occur to you, that the standard by which God judged and condemned even the israelites of the past, the standard by which He was able to decide the righteous from the sinners is in fact His Law?

You were never able to put together, before now that God, a judge, judged His people based on His Law which He gave to them?

It never even sparked in you that the understanding of God that one can claim is of that spelled out in His Law and agreement — the very terms and conditions that anyone who subscribes to His rule is expected to abide by — to live by — and that there is no other understanding to be had by men outside of that.

Kobojunkie:
1. It is nonsense!

2. Yes, Satan works for God and is not some mighty enemy off in the distance doing his own independent destruction.

3. If God was indeed the one they feared, they would at least obey Him, but that is far from their reality as instead they fear their pastors and mogs more than they actually fear God Himself. They don't fear God instead they fear more what the next man thinks or will say of them.

oh we finally see eye to eye

sukkot:
oh we finally see eye to eye

I simply acknowledged that you at least understand where the character called Satan fits in as far as the epic is concerned.

Kobojunkie:
I simply acknowledged that you at least understand where the character called Satan fits in as far as the Epic is concerned.

much appreciated

Kobojunkie:
1. You just admitted by the statement in bold a complete lack of understanding as far as who God is. So, it didn't ever occur to you, that the standard by which God judged and condemned even the israelites of the past, the standard by which He was able to decide the righteous from the sinners is in fact His Law?

You were never able to put together, before now that God, a judge, judged His people based on His Law which He gave to them?

It never even sparked in you that the understanding of God that one can claim is of that spelled out in His Law and agreement — the very terms and conditions that anyone who subscribes to His rule is expected to abide by — to live by — and that there is no other understanding to be had by men outside of that.

They needed the Law and yes God gave them the Law to live by it as the Gentiles live by Grace but what I'm saying is that after death comes judgement and on that judgement God is not going to judge Jews by the Law or the Gentiles by Grace, God is going to Judge every Man based on their understanding of God's word. Christ said he that believe shall pass from death to life but he that believeth not shall be condemn and every soul that sinneth must die. The word of God is life and to know it is life and God said we should know him for he is the Word. The scripture is deep and we can't just understand it based on our own human knowledge.

kingyakos:
■ They needed the Law and yes God gave them the Law to live by it as the Gentiles live by Grace but what I'm saying is that after death comes judgement and on that judgement God is not going to judge Jews by the Law or the Gentiles by Grace, God is going to Judge every Man based on their understanding of God's word.
■ Christ said he that believe shall pass from death to life but he that believeth not shall be condemn and every soul that sinneth must die.
■ The word of God is life and to know it is life and God said we should know him for he is the Word. The scripture is deep and we can't just understand it based on our own human knowledge.

1. I am sorry but what you state is jumbled considering Jesus Christ is God's Law and covenant — the National Constitution in God's special Nation of Priests which God constituted of the Sinners of Israel — aka the Gospel. The Kingdom of God is a Nation, and like most every nation, you must abide by the Law or expect to be punished for living in violation of the Law. Are you saying that even though Jesus Christ made it abundantly clear that we are to submit to and obey His teachings and commandments, we are not to because we have no need to do as Jesus Christ has instructed?

2. I am afraid this is all jumbled up abeg! Jesus Christ — the way, the Truth, and the Eternal Life— offers you two Salvations
■ Salvation from the curse of sin aka Death and that salvation you obtain when you enter into the Kingdom of God and received Eternal Life(grace) - John 3 vs 1-16
■ Salvation from Sin itself and that salvation is only earned by those who stand faithful —live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to His Law, God's Truth — until the very end - Matthew 10 vs 22 & Matthew 24 vs 12 -13 & Mark 13 -13.

You cannot really expect to be rewarded with Heaven at the end in God's Nation if you ignore or refuse to obey what is required of you by the Law in its entirety, do you?

3. No matter how deep you think it is, you still have to comprehend the basics of it before you can acquire an understanding of the deeper meanings and so far, your comprehension is not impressive at all.

Kobojunkie:
1. I am sorry but what you state is jumbled considering Jesus Christ is God's Law and covenant — the National Constitution in God's special Nation of Priests which God constituted of the Sinners of Israel — aka the Gospel. The Kingdom of God is a Nation, and like most every nation, you must abide by the Law or expect to be punished for living in violation of the Law. Are you saying that even though Jesus Christ made it abundantly clear that we are to submit to and obey His teachings and commandments, we are not to because we have no need to do as Jesus Christ has instructed?

2. I am afraid this is all jumbled up abeg! Jesus Christ — the way, the Truth, and the Eternal Life— offers you two Salvations
■ Salvation from the curse of sin aka Death and that salvation you obtain when you enter into the Kingdom of God and received Eternal Life(grace) - John 3 vs 1-16
■ Salvation from Sin itself and that salvation is only earned by those who stand faithful —live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to His Law, God's Truth — until the very end - Matthew 10 vs 22 & Matthew 24 vs 12 -13 & Mark 13 -13.

You cannot really expect to be rewarded with Heaven at the end in God's Nation if you ignore or refuse to obey what is required of you by the Law in its entirety, do you?

3. No matter how deep you think it is, you still have to comprehend the basics of it before you can acquire an understanding of the deeper meanings and so far, your comprehension is not impressive at all.

Shalom

It may have nothing to do with God but it has everything to do with humans

Kobojunkie:
1. Interesting claim! So, what you cling to has absolutely nothing to do with that STRICTLY defined in scripture as far as God and the Kingdom of God then? Cause you see, what a lot of you fail to realize is that God is God of Laws and everything is as STRICTLY defined by His Law and agreement/contract/Covenant. So, if this kingdom does not conform to that defined by God then what that means is it has nothing to do with Him. Do you understand that part at least?

stunnert:
It may have nothing to do with God but it has everything to do with humans

Since when did humans acquire ability and power to build Kingdoms beyond the physical abeg?

You can pretend but you and I both know that humans travel to and fro to some of these kingdom( kingdom of darkness ) through different means

Are you familiar with the thirteen planes ( planes are other words for spiritual kingdoms ) directly above the earth

Kobojunkie:
Since when did humans acquire ability and power to build Kingdoms beyond the physical abeg?

stunnert:
■ You can pretend but you and I both know that humans travel to and fro to some of these kingdom( kingdom of darkness ) through different means
■ Are you familiar with the thirteen planes ( planes are other words for spiritual kingdoms ) directly above the earth

1. I am sorry but I don't know any of that for a fact. I know humans are able to travel to deep dark parts of their mental and that is the extent many have been able to go. Na dem full mental asylums.

2. I have only heard of them from people at asylum who can't struggle to reconnect to reality after spending so much time disconnected from reality.

Maybe I shouldn't expose you to what you don't know for your own good

Kobojunkie:
1. I am sorry but I don't know any of that for a fact. I know humans are able to travel to deep dark parts of their mental and that is the extent many have been able to go. Na dem full mental asylums.

2. I have only heard of them from people at asylum who can't struggle to reconnect to reality after spending so much time disconnected from reality.

stunnert:
Maybe I shouldn't expose you to what you don't know for your own good

For my own good? Expose me to what exactly? The fact that the human mind is a very powerful machine that can render even the most powerful of humans into a puppy if not well taken and cared for or let to run away with itself?

Xturf:
This very issue was addressed by a man of God. He made it clear than Man gave gave up his control in the garden of Eden. Man gave the devil. Thats why when Satan took Jesus to top of the mountain, he said I'll give you control if you bow to me.

The devil wanted to give jesus the world in exchange for worshipping him??

So what did the devil have in his possession to give adam in exchange for his authority??