budaatum:


Same as sexually deviant Clinton. They sound exactly like the same one person.

Not really, though criminal trump is way more pronounced and it was the tabloid gossips for many years in New York. Cocaine, backdoor parties and pretty young models as old as 16-17 was the highlight of criminal trumps Playboy years. I won't call Clinton a sexual deviant until we have enough witnesses and on record act of him doing stuff to younger women other than Monica Lewinsky. Was Monica a willing participant? I don't know the full details of that. Just like you can't call Senator Al Franken a sexual deviant because of sexually suggestive photoshoot that got him out of the Senate.

But people like criminal trump and Matt gaetz are sexual deviants cos of their history of predatory practices around under 18 and very young girls, and in case of criminal trump, the number of women who have come forward to say on the record how predatory he was in New York. It was in a BBC documentary he tried to kill.

budaatum:
Is dump going lower than defund police?

Hmmm criminal defendant trump has really destroyed what it means to be a Republican. What a narcissist, self loathing hateful bastard he is.

I wonder how Cucker tarlson is going to juggle this.

IjeBos:

No. I'm saying Prosecutors just can't bring you into a Grand Jury and ask you about random things until you lie and then try to indict you for that lie.

Sorry, but in America Prosecutors "just can"; they will, and they do. At consent of a judge though. so this qualifies as equal in the eyes of the American Law, far as I'm concerned.

IjeBos:

They brought Clinton into a Grand Jury and asked him whether he had sex with Monica Lewinsky? What was the purpose of that? What was the purpose of asking him about his consensual sexual life? So Clinton subsequently "lied" about that and they impeached him for that. He was pressed on a matter that had no underlying crime. That is what I consider a witch hunt.

Lying to a grand jury is a crime, according to 18 USC Ch. 79: PERJURY. He could have not lied by pleading the fifth. He's after all a lawyer, which is why losing his licence was part punishment. And to serve as a deterrent to others, note.

IjeBos:
If they were investigating Clinton and found out he had raped a woman and asked him about that in a Grand Jury and he lied. I'd be with the prosecutors. This is closer to what is happening with Trump.

Gravity of crime you lie about does not apply in grand jury, you'd likely conclude happened in both cases, though dump's is more than just lying, being in New York too.

Nigeria has added the Chinese yuan to a list of currencies that can be used for trade settlement in the domestic foreign exchange market. Nigeria’s central bank is also wooing local businesses importing goods from China to use the yuan instead of the U.S. dollar in its effort to support its naira currency and boost trade with China. Nigeria has become the latest African country to step up its bid to adopt Chinese yuan as a reserve currency

Not a bad plan

Obrigardo:


Hmmm criminal defendant trump has really destroyed what it means to be a Republican. What a narcissist, self loathing hateful bastard he is.

I wonder how Cucker tarlson is going to juggle this.

Heard cucker last night. Was waxing lyrical dump, so had to turn off go bed.

budaatum:

Sorry, but in America Prosecutors "just can"; they will, and they do. At consent of a judge though. so this qualifies as equal in the eyes of the American Law, far as I'm concerned.


Lying to a grand jury is a crime, according to 18 USC Ch. 79: PERJURY. He could have not lied by pleading the fifth. He's after all a lawyer, which is why losing his licence was part punishment. And to serve as a deterrent to others, note.


Gravity of crime you lie about does not apply in grand jury, you'd likely conclude happened in both cases, though dump's is more than just lying, being in New York too.

You've gotten way up-field of your argument. My argument was you were playing both sides in comparing Clinton vs Trump. You're arguing now that because a Special Investigator, abusing his authority who had some compliant judges could do something makes it ok and makes it similar to what is happening now. No, the history on this has been written. The majority of legal experts believe Kenn Star abused his position and stretched the constitution. Congress didn't even reup the Independent Counsel statue after him. Because both sides saw how dangerously someone could use it. There is nothing illegal about having an affair. And Ken Starr made him answer questions about that in a Grand Jury. That is abuse. And the type of questions he asked made it a pretty disgusting abuse of power. You probably don't remember it. And Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh pushed for even more graphic ones.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/08/kavanaugh-wanted-ken-starr-to-ask-bill-clinton-these-wildly-lewd-questions/

Clinton pled to perjury, but l'm not even sure what he said was perjury. I never considered a BJ MouthAction until after I heard about Clinton.

There is no such abuse or witch-hunt vis a vis Trump. Every investigation is predicated on some illegality.

But I'll leave it here. Not sure why you are arguing this in this manner.

IjeBos:

Clinton pled to perjury, but l'm not even sure what he said was perjury.

You are "not even sure what he said was perjury", while I take Clinton's plea for what he pled, is from where we argue I guess. And opinions of some matter nought to me on this issue, for I never saw where the sentence for Clinton's crime was overturned.

My opinion is, the witchhunting of Clinton caught a witch which he pled guilty to and was sentenced for and served without, to my knowledge, appealing, and I hope a witch is found in dump's hunting too, plus him being boneheaded so he don't plead.

And no, I'm not arguing with you, Ije. I'm just showing some might view things in ways you might disagree with, is all.

budaatum:


You are "not even sure what he said was perjury", while I take Clinton's plea for what he pled, is from where we argue I guess. And opinions of some matter nought to me on this issue, for I never saw where the sentence for Clinton's crime was overturned.

My opinion is, the witchhunting of Clinton caught a witch which he pled guilty to and was sentenced for and served without, to my knowledge, appealing, and I hope a witch is found in dump's hunting too, plus him being boneheaded so he don't plead.

And no, I'm not arguing with you, Ije. I'm just showing some might view things in ways you might disagree with, is all.

What do you consider a witch? His crime was lying about an affair that wasn't a crime. That witch didn't exist prior to the investigation. The lie wasn't material to the investigation and the lie wasn't used to cover up anything greater.

I think the justice system shouldn't be engaged in witch-hunting. Clinton's was a witch hunt led by a Independent Counsel who abused his abused who died in disgrace. Trump's investigations are not a witch-hunt.

It's not about viewing things differently, it's that your argument seems suspect at best.

budaatum:


Heard cucker last night. Was waxing lyrical dump, so had to turn off go bed.

You have a strong mind. A 30 second video bite of that fascist makes me go raging mad.

budaatum:


You speak as if an underlying crime has to be related to subsequent crimes, which is not the case, or that I should be against witchhunting that catches the hunted, which I definitely am not, since in most cases, like Clinton's and hopefully dump's, witches have been found, and where none is found compensation is paid to the hunted.

Clinton's lie was discovered during the witchhunting of the underlying suspected crime in his financial dealings and investment in a failed land development called Whitewater.

And dump is in court because we witchhunted him because we suspect him of being a witch. We impeached him twice, do note.

I am shocked you are conflating the Clinton and Trump impeachments. The grand jury had no business asking about Clinton's sex life. That's a very personal issue. Ken Starr and I would say the Grand jury abused their powers by asking Bill Clinton if he had sex with Monica Lewinski. Nothing concerns the whitewater investigation with who and how many people Clinton slept with. What do you expect a married man in a position of high office to say, when asked about his sex life? If it was a regular court, Clinton's lawyer would have screamed "objections, irrelevant to the case" to such irrelevant questions. I doubt any judge would have allowed that. They should have asked him how many times he fùcks Hillary Clinton in a month and if Hillary disagrees, then charge and impeach him for perjury.

Trump's impeachment crimes are on another level. He withheld Congress approved aids to Ukraine while trying to blackmail their president to announced am investigation of hunter Biden for political advantage and he planned to subvert the outcome of an election through threats of officials and violence in order to cling onto power.

budaatum:

Better still, what did a failed land development called Whitewater investigation have to do with a case about sex.




Same is being said about dump. But, if
while investigating a crime a witch leads to other crimes I'd expect the law to hunt as far upstream as the witch leads.

And since we hunted can't keep his diq in his pants Clinton guess we definitely will hunt dump, I'm delighted to be reminded.

I thought I saw humbled Trump while he was in NYC.
But the speech at Mara *Lagos* was like "I conquered" Pow! Pow!

wirinet:


I am shocked you are conflating the Clinton and Trump impeachments. The grand jury had no business asking about Clinton's sex life. That's a very personal issue. Ken Starr and I would say the Grand jury abused their powers by asking Bill Clinton if he had sex with Monica Lewinski. Nothing concerns the whitewater investigation with who and how many people Clinton slept with. What do you expect a married man in a position of high office to say, when asked about his sex life? If it was a regular court, Clinton's lawyer would have screamed "objections, irrelevant to the case" to such irrelevant questions. I doubt any judge would have allowed that. They should have asked him how many times he fùcks Hillary Clinton in a month and if Hillary disagrees, then charge and impeach him for perjury.

Trump's impeachment crimes are on another level. He withheld Congress approved aids to Ukraine while trying to blackmail their president to announced am investigation of hunter Biden for political advantage and he planned to subvert the outcome of an election through threats of officials and violence in order to cling onto power.

You see it as defending, while I am stating the facts as I see them which are, Clinton, a lawyer, could have not lied and instead taken the fifth, instead he fell into their trap of asking if he had had sex with Lewinsky (a question they knew the answer to), and thereby committed a crime by lying - because, according to you, "a married man in a position of high office" - for which he was impeached. It is after all a crime to lie to grand jury and not a crime to have sex with Lewinsky.

IjeBos:


What do you consider a witch? His crime was lying about an affair that wasn't a crime. That witch didn't exist prior to the investigation. The lie wasn't material to the investigation and the lie wasn't used to cover up anything greater.

I think the justice system shouldn't be engaged in witch-hunting. Clinton's was a witch hunt led by a Independent Counsel who abused his abused who died in disgrace. Trump's investigations are not a witch-hunt.

It's not about viewing things differently, it's that your argument seems suspect at best.

Well, I just see it different. A smarter person would not have fallen into their witch hunting trap, especially considering the Fifth.

budaatum:


Well, I just see it different. A smarter person would not have fallen into their witch hunting trap, especially considering the Fifth.

Here is a nice article on the whole investigation. I even forgot how crazy it was. Republicans are still abusing the system now as they did then.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/18/ken-starr-lewinsky-scandal-00057381

Basilico loco, republiqan pedophiles are destroying all your arguments one by one, so I see why you don't even have any content to show us for weeks.
Maybe you've started seeing the error of your ways or you now seeing grey instead of black and white.

You tell me why Kansas republiqans just voted to check Children's genitals before they play sports. Who are the groomers now you sucker!

benalvino, basilico, ono and other criminal trump cultists!

DON'T YOU PEOPLE HAVE ANY SHAME?
WHEN WILL YOU OPEN YOUR EYES TO SEE THE FRAUD THIS HIDEOUS MAN IS?

They outrightly use you and lie to you to advance their OWN nefarious agenda and you sulk it all up.

Imagine a supposed BILLIONAIRE asking the uneducated poor magats to pay for his legal bills and he raised close to $5 million in that stretch!
And then he smears the poop on your face in his indictment speech by saying HE HAS A LOT OF MONEY, HE DOESN'T NEED BANKS.

If that doesn't hurt you, then just look at the fate of the insurrectionists languishing in jail unable to pay their legal fees, while some are setting up gofundme to manage to pay their lawyers and the legal fees meanwhile the henchman who told them to FIGHT LIKE HELL has no problem raising money off you cultists - HE HAS NEVER RAISED MONEY FOR HIS CULTISTS IN JAIL OR PAY FOR ANY OF THEIR LEGAL FEES.

Can you find out if the ridiculous insurrectionist anthem these people made has successfully paid all their legal fees or that criminal trump is using it to advance his OWN agenda?

Are you not pissed that the adulterer marjorie jewish space lasers compared criminal trump to Jesus Christ?

Imagine someone sleeping with a porn star and other women while his wife was pregnant, then paid to cover it up and then falsified business records to clean it out- and you say yeah that is just like Jesus Christ.

And then you have a millionare senator fake crying on tv not once but twice urging criminal trump cultists to send every dime they have to him. Why doesnt he sell his golden toilets to fund his legal troubles?

Please you magats should GET OUT OF HERE, You Crooks.

benalvino3:
Nigeria has added the Chinese yuan to a list of currencies that can be used for trade settlement in the domestic foreign exchange market. Nigeria’s central bank is also wooing local businesses importing goods from China to use the yuan instead of the U.S. dollar in its effort to support its naira currency and boost trade with China. Nigeria has become the latest African country to step up its bid to adopt Chinese yuan as a reserve currency

Not a bad plan

Based

Nigeria should continue to do what's best for her economy. Whether that means aligning with whitey or aligning with the azns.

America will cope and seethe about how evil China is (which is true) while conveniently forgetting how evil they are.

THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED!

Clarence Thomas has broken the Law.
Will he be impeached by the Republiqan house majority who are celebrating the indictment of a former president who is a criminal defendant.

When I said the Republiqan party is dead, you thought I was kidding?

Basilico, come and see oooo

Drameeja:


The so called US law is trash.
Dedollarization will crush terrorist gringolandia

Depraved lgbtqPEDO demRATS & GOPigs are doomed.

GAME OVER BITCHES!!!

Please take your trashy fake confidence outta here. Your head is still deep in the ass of criminal and morally bankrupt right wing echo chamber.

CoolUsername:


Based

Nigeria should continue to do what's best for her economy. Whether that means aligning with whitey or aligning with the azns.

America will cope and seethe about how evil China is (which is true) while conveniently forgetting how evil they are.

You guys are so detached from reality that you think Nigeria will ever do anything to make their economy better?

Obrigardo:


You guys are so detached from reality that you think Nigeria will ever do anything to make their economy better?

Notice the "should"

IjeBos:


Here is a nice article on the whole investigation. I even forgot how crazy it was. Republicans are still abusing the system now as they did then.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/18/ken-starr-lewinsky-scandal-00057381

I hope you note I accept Clinton was witch hunted and tricked into committing a crime. And yes, Repubs are still abusing the system, a time of note being Barr on Mueller's Report.

They've shown their dirty hands, and I am an advocate of birds learning to fly without perching if the hunter has learnt to shoot without missing.

Obrigardo:
THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED!

Clarence Thomas has broken the Law.
Will he be impeached by the Republiqan house majority who are celebrating the indictment of a former president who is a criminal defendant.

When I said the Republiqan party is dead, you thought I was kidding?

Basilico, come and see oooo

I think this is the same Republican Party. They abuse their power to stay in power. Look at Ken Starr and Bill Clinton's impeachment we've been talking about. Look at Bill Barr now and his Iran-Contra cover up. But this is a big deal. But since he's a Republican, not much will happen. Imagine if it were a democrat.

budaatum:


I hope you note I accept Clinton was witch hunted and tricked into committing a crime. And yes, Repubs are still abusing the system, a time of note being Barr on Mueller's Report.

They've shown their dirty hands, and I am an advocate of birds learning to fly without perching if the hunter has learnt to shoot without missing.

I understand that. The issue is the argument that Trump is equally being witch hunted. Find me one prosecutor who has acted as unethically as Ken Starr or one Judge who acted as unethically as the panel of judges who put Kenn Starr there in the first place. So far everyone has done the least. From Mueller leaving it up to Bill Barr to manipulate the results instead of full throatily saying Trump committed obstruction of Justice, to Garland slow walking everything. In fact, he's gotten preferential treatment.

Not everything has to be equal.