GrammarNazi1:
Should we hold the founder of the smartphone responsible for what Seankafor uses his smartphone to do?

Omo, HERe na 21st century Stalingrad.
Osalobua.

Unlimited22:

Have you read Allah N'est pas Obligé?

No. I have a very "little collection" of African stories.

Is it better than the Poor Christ of Bomba or African Child

GrammarNazi1:


Femi Osofisan is also known for his poetry.

Femi Osofisan's other popular drama is Esu and the Vagabond Minstrels.

Femi Osofisan is known for his love of adaptation.

I love that man's drama and poetry.

My favourite poets (of that era) are Chris Okigbo, J. P. Clark and Niyi Osundare (him In particular. No time for shakushaku writing, read Eating Tomorrow's Yam or The Land of Unease to see what I mean)

My fave African poets are Okot p'Bitek, Dennis Brutus and Jared Angira. Leopold Sedar Senghor too but him na mostly politician.


For foreign guys, A. E. Houseman, Edgar Allan Poe, William Wordsworth, Rudyard Kipling, T. S. Eliot and the writer of my favourite poem ever, Sir Walter Raleigh.

seankafor:
wasn't tinubu the drug 💊 baron rigging the election with his machinery?

He rigged yet lost Lagos his state

Tinubu did not get 70% in any state, yet Obi gather 90% in his home region

"Wole Soyinka is a gifted man but a bad politician" . OBJ

https://twitter.com/NnaaIyke/status/1644361689872347137?t=4aUC_NHTHzq6bQg9wMGBHw&s=19

Nostradamus1:
No. I have a very "little collection" of African stories.

Is it better than the Poor Christ of Bomba or African Child

Nah, I just wanted to make a point to you concerning language. It is written in the POV of a child soldier.

airmark:


It reaches to ask o. What is the most prestigious award in literature again?

I have a nice rebuttal for this. I will search for it.


Have you wondered why Things Fall Apart is rated higher by many Nigerians than any Soyinka's book.


NB:The above statement is not a widely recognized fact. It was a product of several small experiments carried out by me and my group with a possibly biased sample group.

Nostradamus1:
I have a nice rebuttal for this. I will search for it.


Have you wondered why Things Fall Apart is rated higher by many Nigerians than any Soyinka's book.


NB:The above statement is not a widely recognized fact. It was a product of several small experiments carried out by me and my group with a possibly biased sample group.

Nostradamus1:
I have a nice rebuttal for this. I will search for it.


Have you wondered why Things Fall Apart is rated higher by many Nigerians than any Soyinka's book.


NB:The above statement is not a widely recognized fact. It was a product of several small experiments carried out by me and my group with a possibly biased sample group.

Things Fall Apart is Africa's greatest English language novel.

Might even be the GOAT African novel in any language sef

DissTroy:


Malaila won the Nobel Laureate for simply not dying at the hands of the Taliban. She won for staying alive. We should all get a Nobel Prize each for surviving Boko Haram.

Obama won the Nobel despite decimating the Middle East which even he confessed to.

DiCaprio didn't win the Oscars until recently in his mid-forties. He almost had to die in ice and parrot some climate change talking point to be deemed worthy despite headlining several classics as the lead actor even in his twenties. Imagine not winning the Oscar for Titanic 26 years ago.

I could go on and on. Some of these award categories are judged subjectively (which isn't me stating Soyinka is any less deserving).

No Nigerian penperson dead or alive matches Achebe.

No Nigerian dead or alive matches Wole Soyinka.

If an award is subjective, how about your own evaluation?

Is it objective?

I repeat: no Nigerian dead or alive matches Wole Soyinka.

Besides, Malaila won the Nobel Peace Prize, not the Nobel Prize in Literature, please, and she won it for her activism and that was the right award for her which she deserved. Didn't she?

That same way, Wole Soyinka deserved his Nobel Prize in Literature, which Achebe did not win.

Again, no Nigerian dead or alive matches Wole Soyinka.

raumdeuter:


Otem bless you sir

Otem guide you Egbon. I’ve responded.

OasisX:

Better disclaimer

Unlimited22:
Btw, Ibime, why you no send poetry?

Anytime I hear this thing, especially from cultured folk, e dey wound my heart 😭😭


I was my school's main poet from SSS1-3 and my debut publication, coming later this quarterr, is a hybrid of short stories and poems

How we no sure say no be Chat GPT write am

As a rap fan who has gone deep into multisyllabic forms of expression, most poetry that is lauded is beginner level to me. I can't rate it

GrammarNazi1:


No Nigerian dead or alive matches Wole Soyinka.

If an award is subjective, how about your own evaluation?

Is it objective?

I repeat: no Nigerian dead or alive matches Wole Soyinka.

Some awards are subjective. Some are based on definitive indices like goal contributions and trophies won for footballers, or a defined achievement like gene editing to delete a cancer-causing constituent for bioengineers or something definitive like that for Nobel Prize winners in Medicine.

What are the definitive or set indices for determining the Nobel Prize winners for Literature in the debated case? You could have 30 nominated and, subjectively, one is picked based on reasons which don't stand the winner out from the line-up.

Imagine being soo morally bankrupt as to appraise the speaker that has overseen the very worst assembly ever seen in this country. An assembly that very much did not know it's role as an independent arm of government. A rubber stamp house that stamped Nigeria to death and took us thousands of steps backwards.

But of course, tribal ideation will be read Into this post and not the objectivity with which it is written.

Unlimited22:

Things Fall Apart is Africa's greatest English language novel.

Might even be the GOAT African novel in any language sef

Exactly .

Soyinka might be Nigerian greatest writer based on the quality and quantity produced but "Things Fall Apart" produced in 1958 showed a whole new continent to Europeans. It also showed/explained or tried to explain our acceptance or rejection of the colonizers.



Some like Nwoye and the "Osus" adopted and accepted the new religion and their gatekeepers. Others like Okonkwo rejected this idea of being ruled over by an ordinary man and a foreign god.

It showed a glimpse of our justice system from the death of Ikemefuna to the banishment of Okonkwo(one of the greatest man in his kindred).


It showed our sicknesseses and our strengths. It showed our flexible belief in the supernatural. A man' "chi" is the greatest. A man can offend Ojukwu and please Ani. A man can please Sango and displease [b]Ogun.[/b]These religious beliefs helped rationalize any evil that visit anyone.


It was a masterclass

Unlimited22:

I LOVE books.

With words one can create anything, can be anything.

I was introduced when I was a child (if to say I dey America I'd have definitely been placed on Ritalin or some shit for ADHD) because books and football were the only things I could sit still for. And I never looked back.


Btw even as a science student I took Literature in waec.

Amazing tbh. I love reading books also but I was more into history and the likes.

Ibime:


How we no sure say no be Chat GPT write am

As a rap fan who has gone deep into multisyllabic forms of expression, most poetry that is lauded is beginner level to me. I can't rate it

If I swear by Otem, will you believe me? 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Lol for my first attempt I'm keeping AI away.


And rap and poetry are branches of one tree.

DissTroy:


Some awards are subjective. Some are based on definitive indices like goal contributions and trophies won for footballers, or a defined achievement like gene editing to delete a cancer-causing constituent for bioengineers or something definitive like that for Nobel Prize winners in Medicine.

What are the definitive or set indices for determining the Nobel Prize winners for Literature in the debated case? You could have 30 nominated and, subjectively, one is picked based on reasons which don't stand the winner out from the line-up.

I understand your point, but I am sure you also understand that ultimately art is subjective yet literary experts know a good quality of literary products when they see it.

If you are in doubt about the criteria used to choose Nobel Laureates, please proceed to the academy's website or page in order to be enlightened because even though art is subjective there are criteria of categorization.

And if Wole Soyinka did win the prize but Achebe did not, then Wole Soyinka must have done some things right whereas Achebe had not.

Unlimited22:

My favourite poets (of that era) are Chris Okigbo, J. P. Clark and Niyi Osundare (him In particular. No time for shakushaku writing, read Eating Tomorrow's Yam or The Land of Unease to see what I mean)

My fave African poets are Okot p'Bitek, Dennis Brutus and Jared Angira. Leopold Sedar Senghor too but him na mostly politician.


For foreign guys, A. E. Houseman, Edgar Allan Poe, William Wordsworth, Rudyard Kipling, T. S. Eliot and the writer of my favourite poem ever, Sir Walter Raleigh.

One thing I love about Niyi Osundare's poetry is that a lot of his poems are "musical".

I don't really know the right word to use.

GrammarNazi1:

One thing I love about Niyi Osundare's poetry is that a lot of his poems are "musical".

I don't really know the right word to use.

You don't need to. Just point anyone at Faka Fiki Foo

Unlimited22:

If I swear by Otem, will you believe me? 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Lol for my first attempt I'm keeping AI away.


And rap and poetry are branches of one tree.

Rap is a far more advanced form of poetry, such that AI cannot replicate it's intricacy. Rap keeps the same metaphors and end-rhymes as poetry, and adds two more dimensions - multisyllabic rhyme patterns and timing to fit a beat

If I can write this in rap form, what concerns me with "your love is like morning due" and other basic things that are lauded in poetry

I'm the immortal aura/ God of all fawn and flora/
The don Camorra/ sharing my bed chambers with a pórn performer/
I saw Gomorrah/ get torched to a scorching sauna/
to set judicial precedence. . . before Moses brought the Torah/
And when the earth was still flat . . .I fought my corner/
Against Moors and hoarders/ Gauls and sorcerers/
Been betrayed by a false informer/
And took his head. . to settle scores. . . with the laws of kharma/
I witnessed all the gore and horror. . .
You couldn't summon the strength/ to stomach the stench/
of battles where hundreds of men/ slumped in a trench/ is a common event/
Alexandria's library is where my summers were spent/
proving mathematical axioms. . .that the number unity. . is a hundred percent/
Charted Orion's orbital path since time was begun/
And deciphered binary sums/ in primary one!/
Did research for vampires in the time of the hun/
And proved that optimum darkness . . .is when the moon. . is in line with the sun!/
None of ya syllables clever/ You a lyrical leper/ and a pitiful jester/
trying to pit wits against an unpredictable Zephyr/
Battle me?. . .that's like sticking ya fist in a blender/
or taking a piss/ on the six major Hadiths/. . . in the middle of Mecca!!/
By any physical measure/ I render you incapable of lifting a feather/


I'm old of age/ I've been a soldier, slave/ a poet and sage/
but my hands were mostly engaged/ holding a loaded gauge/
I rolled with braves/ and patrolled the waves/
with pirates who stab niggas with their shoulder blades/
My flow degrades/ at the same rate as Beta particles/
Niggas read my chronicles/ but can't stomach the verse . . .with weak abdominals/
My digestive tracts adapt to survive. . on eating fossil fuels/
My beef methodical/ like Sun Tzu/
My chosen art of war is kung fu/
I scourge lands from Danube to the Rhine like Attila the Hun do/
My spit'll turn the sun blue/ by dousing gaseous vapour/
I savage a hater/ till he consider a quick death as a granting of favour/
The manacled stranger/ considered a radical danger/ by a tyrannical slaver/
with the teeth of a Paleo sabre/ that could cut through any metallic encaser/
with the precision of a mechanical laser/
I travelled the radar/ of Saturnian rings/ with Nubian Kings/
Waded through heavy hydrogen and swam in deuterium streams/
Plotted with Assyrian fiends/ to set up pyramid
schemes/
and fleece inferior beings/ by capitalising on their myriad dreams/
I'm really esteemed/ from Damascus to Polynesia/
Summoned the Ghost of Magnus Ceaser/
through seances who channel media/ on travels in Trans-Slovenia/
My bars knock niggas out cold like anaesthesia/
So any emcee claiming heir. . . will suffer from Alopecia!/
. .. . like Jonjo Shelvey/
I'm a vitruvian specimen of one so healthy/ even Mongols tell me/
They would have crossed the Caucuses if Genghis. . .was so stealthy/
I've taken several heads/ from every ethnic spec/
Even rode with Eric the red/ against King Ethelred/
I settled debts/ and became a landed lord/
Grappled swords/ to grab what I can't afford/
Crossed dams and Fjords/ against savage hordes/
Sliced windpipes clean with the jerk of a strangler's cord/
I walked with proto tribes/ and reaped souls and lives/ with a golden scythe/
Hunted with pygmies shorter than my shoulder height/
Rode motorbikes/ with Argentine guerillas/
Dined with killers/ and escaped Alcatraz. . .twice. . . on pine flotillas!/
I survived all these timeless thrillers/
then retired to my studies. . . to put it all in rhyme for you spineless niggas!/

Ibime:


Rap is a far more advanced form of poetry, such that AI cannot replicate it's intricacy. Rap keeps the same metaphors and end-rhymes as poetry, and adds two more dimensions - multisyllabic rhyme patterns and timing to fit a beat

If I can write this in rap form, what concerns me with "your love is like morning due" and other basic things that are lauded in poetry

So basically, hubris? 😒

nihilistjnr:
This was written by someone who actually tried to prevent the civil war and served hard time for his efforts.

Nigeria is done

Well it depends on whether you want to be realistic or delusional

In my opinion, No one can stop the downward slide of this country not even Obama, there are many factors working against Nigeria and many countries in Africa that goes beyond the person ruling the country

The best one can hope for is to slow down the downward spiral

raumdeuter:


Nigerian govt puts doctors on a different pedestal thats why they pay them way more than the average graduate. That 250k is what some graduates will never get from govt in 15yrs service

Nigeria sees them as very essential workers and pay them better than other graduates. The doctor situation is dire. Some places in the North dont have 5 doctors in an entire LGA and they use corpers. So they pay them way more

Those African countries who pay more probably have more income per head than Nigeria.

I doubt Nigeria can afford to pay 750K to every doctor before we start thinking of the cascading effect to every sector of the country

If we can not pay them or guarantee them a good and safe working environment, why are we compelling them to stay back and endure these conditions knowing how much time and effort it take to become one. Worsestill, we know they have peculiar skills that are competitive in the global market! We can't eat our cake and have it at the same time. We can't compel doctors to stay in Nigeria and at the same time fail to prioritize them.

Speaking of the North, how many doctors can you convince to go practice in areas struggling with insecurity? Let's not even talk about the wage, working conditions, near absence of facilities and medical systems, annual strike...Lets talk about challenges associated with kidnapping, banditry, UGM, sharp differences in culture and religious expectation.

GrammarNazi1:

I understand your point, but I am sure you also understand that ultimately art is subjective yet literary experts know a good quality of literary products when they see it.

Exactly. Art is subjective.

If you are in doubt about the criteria used to choose Nobel Laureates, please proceed to the academy's website or page in order to be enlightened because even though art is subjective there are criteria of categorization.

This is exactly what feminists say when one argues the logic of their hard stances with them - go read up.
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Here is the criteria for the Nobel Prize for Peace: https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/literature/ .

It clear states that once nominated the Swedish Academy decides which nominations they would pick but reserve the right never to reveal why the nominees got shortlisted or not. It even has a law that further details about the nominations cannot be revealed for 50 years.

There is no specific stated criteria for being a Nobel Prize winner in Literature. No benchmark and the academy refuses to make it public.

This is what you slate Achebe for? Some of us get into the fine details. You can't bamboozle everyone.

raumdeuter:


Well it depends on whether you want to be realistic or delusional

In my opinion, No one can stop the downward slide of this country not even Obama, there are many factors working against Nigeria and many countries in Africa that goes beyond the person ruling the country

The best one can hope for is to slow down the downward spiral

Many factors like?

Roland17:


If we can not pay them or guarantee them a good and safe working environment, why are we compelling them to stay back and endure these conditions knowing how much time and effort it take to become one. Worse still, we know they have peculiar skills that are competitive in the global market! We can't eat our cake and have it at the same time. We can't compel doctors to stay in Nigeria and at the same time fail to prioritize them.

Speaking of the North, how many doctors can you convince to go practice in areas struggling with insecurity? Let's not even talk about the wage, working conditions, near absence of facilities and medical systems, annual strike...Lets talk about challenges associated with kidnapping, banditry, UGM, sharp differences in culture and religious expectation.

Nigeria subsidize education significantly, The education we get in Nigeria are not paying what their global counterparts are paying for education. Doctors now have specific skills that is important to Nigerian govt, which is why Nigerian govt pays them more than other graduates. They are not compelling them to stay for life, Its just pay back the FG for the subsidized education for 5yrs then you can leave.

Those that choose to get their medical education outside Nigeria will pay a significant amount for it way more than Nigeria. You now have a situation where they get cheaper education in Nigeria and pay back for 5yrs

Its like the Ibo apprenticeship, I train you and you serve me for certain years and get your freedom fully. If you don't want the period of payback then offer to pay full amount that others in the abroad are paying

Unlimited22:

So basically, hubris? 😒

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