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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 8:51am On Apr 11, 2023
liveLongNprospa:

Lmao.. Let INEC release the materials like they have been mandated to by the court.

Unless INEC is saying they are bigger than the judiciary

All of that will not matter if APC can prove that Obi has no grounds to petition them. That's the game we expected APC to play. I'm not surprised at all.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 8:52am On Apr 11, 2023
Lmao.. Who remembers when apc and Meffy baby were twinning and they both decided that banning AbokiFx would regulate the dollar😂😂😂😂
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Emmynator(m): 8:53am On Apr 11, 2023
Itsrm:


It was obvious APC will try to win the case on technicalities. The response does not surprise me at all. Too early to say I told you so but we saw these things coming.
Technicalities is very important in court judgements, so many cases get decided by technicalities, I expect the lawyers to do whatever it takes to get the advantage.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 8:54am On Apr 11, 2023
Itsrm:


All of that will not matter if APC can prove that Obi has no grounds to petition them. That's the game we expected APC to play. I'm not surprised at all.

Lmao but apc cannot because it's not a crime neither is it a constitutional matter to prove that Obi didn't spend 30days in LP.
That's a dead issue that the court has ruled on long before now.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 8:54am On Apr 11, 2023
Donjazet2:


Like! I really don't get how people will be this heartless.

You have seen with your eyes how bad this party has ruined nigeria yet you offer yourself as a willing tool to defend them with your life simply because the leader of the failed party is someone who speaks and hears your language. How stupid is that?

Make u sef rest with this tribalism narrative na! Haba!

That nostradamus guy is Igbo and supports Tinubu, Monerozzi is a Christian Notherner and supports Tinubu, I'm Yoruba and supported/voted Peter Obi etc..... No be everybody wey support Tinubu is a tribalist; different people support different candidates for reasons best known to them. Rest on this tribal narrative na.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 8:55am On Apr 11, 2023
Emmynator:

Technicalities is very important in court judgements, so many cases get decided by technicalities, I expect the lawyers to do whatever it takes to get the advantage.

For elections, it should not be but that's where we are.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Drone17: 8:57am On Apr 11, 2023
Android17:
If his lawyer was representing him in court that is as good as him being in court. Your lawyer is your legal REPRESENTATIVE.
But then remitted more money to the "drug baron" than was forfeited? How does that work? The US govt won't relinquish a penny to a drug baron. If in doubt, show us a legal precedent to justify this claim.
I wonder how people let you get away with this claim. It is flimsy at best and tbvh, it fails the logic test. If the max limit is 500k, then it means the govt is allowed to take up to 500k and not below it. So the govt would have confiscated 500K of his money not 460k.


The truth is, alot of what is going on is the same emotive hullabaloo that preceded the elections. I have been using this Tinubu court case to actually rate Nigerian SANs and most of them are dullards.

The US govt confiscated the entirety of Tinubu's money that they related to proceeds from heroin sale and basically accused him of being a money launderer for the drug barons.

However he defended himself is immaterial but the bottom line is, the govt could not convict him of that accusation so they switched it to an issue of tax evasion for said sum. What that means is, since you are arguing that you made these monies legally, we are now alleging that you never paid taxes on those. Tinubu agreed to that and forfeited what would have been his tax and fine for evading the tax which summed up to $460k. The rest of his mula was remitted to him. That is all that happened.

If you people want to replace him as the president, your next best option is 2027 because even if he dies, Shettima is the constitutionally recognized replacement. Not Peter Obi.
My post was written in clear terms and simple English so that it would not be easily misunderstood. But because ignorance has clouded your eyes you will not get the points even if you read it ten times.

I will do my best again.

1. Before a case is brought to court there must be an investigation. During investigation you don't get represented by a lawyer. Tinubu was not in the US during the investigation and so the prosecutor opted for a forfeiture. The reason was not avoid the cost of carrying out a full blown investigation.

2. A forfeiture is also a punishment according to US laws. You cannot be punished unless you have accepted guilt. The forfeiture arrangement was accepted by Tinubu, that was an admission of guilt. He accepted it because it was a fair deal for him and he even signed a no disclaimer agreement. If the money was legit, he will fly to US to claim his hard earned money.

3. All drug related money will also fail tax evasion. This is common sense. I hope you don't need explanation.

4. I don't care you is president. All I am for is truth, justice and fairness.

https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/terrorism-and-illicit-finance/asset-forfeiture/forfeiture-overview

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 8:59am On Apr 11, 2023
liveLongNprospa:


Lmao but apc cannot because it's not a crime neither is it a constitutional matter to prove that Obi didn't spend 30days in LP.
That's a dead issue that the court has ruled on long before now.

They are requesting for dismissal on two grounds and not just the 30 day thing. Anyway, the point is, it was obvious the APC will not respond to the meat of the petition by Obi. They will always try to go around it.

I'm also sure Obi will not be as relaxed as you are, it's either they are using this to buy time or they have a loophole they want to exploit.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Donjazet2: 9:02am On Apr 11, 2023
BlueRayDick:


Make u sef rest with this tribalism narrative na! Haba!

That nostradamus guy is Igbo and supports Tinubu, Monerozzi is a Christian Notherner and supports Tinubu, I'm Yoruba and supported/voted Peter Obi etc..... No be everybody wey support Tinubu is a tribalist; different people support different candidates for reasons best known to them. Rest on this tribal narrative na.

Firstly, not only tribalism but also religious sentiments. Those are the 2 factors that undoubtedly shape the vast majority of their views which I have persistently called out and which has obviously proven true.
2. The nostradam guy is definitely not who is posed as but I leave it to time to expose that.
Thirdly, when talking about tribalism we can see which party supporters swim in it. Look at how hoesis was quick to jump into ballzproblem because of a largely inconsequential post (which I do condemn). The post was barely noticable to anyone until they highlighted and started using it as a justification for their divisiveness.

These people are evil. Plain and simple.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 9:07am On Apr 11, 2023
Itsrm:


They are requesting for dismissal on two grounds and not just the 30 day thing. Anyway, the point is, it was obvious the APC will not respond to the meat of the petition by Obi. They will always try to go around it.

I'm also sure Obi will not be as relaxed as you are, it's either they are using this to buy time or they have a loophole they want to exploit.

Lmao we both don't know what Obi is feeling sha.
But that's one part of the response I've gone through.
The 2nd one will still be sorted out.

The main issue for me is inec not releasing materials
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 9:08am On Apr 11, 2023
BlueRayDick:


Make u sef rest with this tribalism narrative na! Haba!

That nostradamus guy is Igbo and supports Tinubu, Monerozzi is a Christian Notherner and supports Tinubu, I'm Yoruba and supported/voted Peter Obi etc..... No be everybody wey support Tinubu is a tribalist; different people support different candidates for reasons best known to them. Rest on this tribal narrative na.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 9:13am On Apr 11, 2023

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Unlimited22: 9:14am On Apr 11, 2023
Itsrm:


All of that will not matter if APC can prove that Obi has no grounds to petition them. That's the game we expected APC to play. I'm not surprised at all.
Let them take the matter to court na

It's not harf
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 9:17am On Apr 11, 2023
liveLongNprospa:


Lmao we both don't know what Obi is feeling sha.
But that's one part of the response I've gone through.
The 2nd one will still be sorted out.

The main issue for me is inec not releasing materials

I just realised they have more than two arguments. All are still based on technicalities.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/592693-tinubu-apc-asks-election-tribunal-to-dismiss-obi-lps-petition-gives-reasons.html
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 9:21am On Apr 11, 2023
Itsrm:


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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 9:24am On Apr 11, 2023
Donjazet2:


Like! I really don't get how people will be this heartless.

You have seen with your eyes how bad this party has ruined nigeria yet you offer yourself as a willing tool to defend them with your life simply because the leader of the failed party is someone who speaks and hears your language. How stupid is that?

Okay, i get the explanation on why they are heartless.

So why are they bastards?

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Nostradamus1: 9:26am On Apr 11, 2023
Drone17:

Your ignorance is centred on the fact that you don't know that difference between freezing accounts and forfeiture.

I won't teach you.


I will set the facts straight for all unbiased readers and call out your lying
Facts.

1:Tinubu legally challenged the case in competent court of law. This means that your first statement is disingenious and very well misinformation. You made it look like one must be present to legally represented

2 The second statement doesn't make any sense.
What is the "costs " of prosecuting a case that can net US $1.8m?
Was Tinubu reachable?
Was his lawyer represented?
Was his company(Mobil ) represented?
Was any of the defendant represented?
Was there any hearing?

How did the prosecutor simply decide to this these? Any evidence?


3 Here is the frozen/ forfeiture argument of yours. I remember pointing out that Russia frozen assets will simply be returned after USA takes $500k based on your story. There are several types of forfeiture. When an asset is frozen, $500k is collected when their is no judicial involvement (Administrative Forfeiture). There was a hearing in Tinubu's case: It was definitely not an administrative forfeiture since we all have access to court documents.

You lied again. The USA could have taken everything as not all forfeiture has a $500k limit.




NB; Anyone more familiar with the US justice system can correct me I am wrong

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:26am On Apr 11, 2023
Donjazet2:


Firstly, not only tribalism but also religious sentiments. Those are the 2 factors that undoubtedly shape the vast majority of their views which I have persistently called out and which has obviously proven true.
2. The nostradam guy is definitely not who is posed as but I leave it to time to expose that.
Thirdly, when talking about tribalism we can see which party supporters swim in it. Look at how hoesis was quick to jump into ballzproblem because of a largely inconsequential post (which I do condemn). The post was barely noticable to anyone until they highlighted and started using it as a justification for their divisiveness.

These people are evil. Plain and simple.

As a southwesterner what the ballz guy said is inappropriate and not inconsequential as u call it. Have u thought maybe if the ballz guy didn't make that statement, maybe those calling him out for it won't need to ? U cannot beat a child and then ask him/her not to cry.

The ballz guy is not different from the unreasonable people who make statements like: " Obi supporters are delusional", "Obi supporters are daft", "Obi supporters are illogical", etc.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by hopefulLandlord: 9:27am On Apr 11, 2023
can anyone please give me a link to the full speech/interview Nobel Laureate Professor Akinwande Oluwole Babatunde Soyinka gave that lead to this online mob action?

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 9:28am On Apr 11, 2023
Am i missing something?
BlueRayDick:


As a southwesterner what the ballz guy said is inappropriate and not inconsequential as u call it. Have u thought maybe if the ballz guy didn't make that statement, maybe those calling him out for it won't need to ? U cannot beat a child and then ask him/her not to cry.

The ballz guy is not different from the unreasonable people who make statements like: " Obi supporters are delusional", "Obi supporters are daft", "Obi supporters are illogical", etc.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 9:31am On Apr 11, 2023
Unlimited22:

Let them take the matter to court na

It's not harf

Why will the winner of an election go to court na. What's the point?

Obi and Atiku have done that as expected
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 9:33am On Apr 11, 2023
hopefulLandlord:
can anyone please give me a link to the full speech/interview Nobel Laureate Professor Akinwande Oluwole Babatunde Soyinka gave that lead to this online mob action?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpUMhXynDLc

This is a shorter version he did with Arise.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxdmnJfdh40&t=1458s
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Unlimited22: 9:34am On Apr 11, 2023
Itsrm:


Why will the winner of an election go to court na. What's the point?

Obi and Atiku have done that as expected
Im saying go to court to prove Obi has no basis.

It's not harf.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 9:37am On Apr 11, 2023
iamoyindamola:

You get am
Perfect description

BlueRayDick get plenty of time on his hands cheesy
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 9:39am On Apr 11, 2023
Itsrm:


BlueRayDick get plenty of time on his hands cheesy
Blueraydick go like community service or NGO job, i can assure you he will do it with heart grin
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:42am On Apr 11, 2023
iamoyindamola:
Am i missing something?

Yes, he made this post below; he's obviously referring to westerners as Ndi Waste

Ballzproblem2:
since chimamanda started receiving abuse from ndi waste grin.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 9:44am On Apr 11, 2023
BlueRayDick:


Yes, he made this post below; he's obviously referring to westerners as Ndi Waste

Una too they take this useless boy serious
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:47am On Apr 11, 2023
iamoyindamola:

Blueraydick go like community service or NGO job, i can assure you he will do it with heart grin


Not really, I don't just like it when makes the thread centered around tribal divisiveness.

Normally we all know the unrepentant tribalists here and they know themselves; they do not intend to change and there's no amount of tackling that will make them change. It's what they do.

I don't see the need to continually make the thread non-conducive for reasonable discuss all in a bid to call tribalists out, the thing dey tire person asear.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by odizeey(m): 9:53am On Apr 11, 2023
Donjazet2:


Very heartless bastards who have sold their consciences on the alter of ethno-religious sentiments.
Only someone who is dishonest will think APC is best for this country.

The part that annoys me most is the gaslighting.

They say we are using religion and tribe but their principal (Pablo) used a same-faith ticket and his slogan was ethnic.

I've gone past reasoning with these lots. I don't think they have the brain cells for critical thinking.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 9:57am On Apr 11, 2023
BlueRayDick:


Not really, I don't just like it when makes the thread centered around tribal divisiveness.

Normally we all know the unrepentant tribalists here and they know themselves; they do not intend to change and there's no amount of tackling that will make them change. It's what they do.

I don't see the need to continually make the thread non-conducive for reasonable discuss all in a bid to call tribalists out, the thing dey tire person aswear.
Exactly so no matter how to explain to this individual he can never grab until he achieve his personal agenda
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amigoss: 10:00am On Apr 11, 2023
This should tell you why they have been attacking obi and Obidients with propagandas and different agendas,for someone they said came"3rd"

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 10:18am On Apr 11, 2023
Buhari’s APC administration has spent over 14.65 billion on Nigeria Air between 2019 and 2021, yet no office address , no aircraft in sight and no contact details of the “new national carrier “ promised by Buhari and his handlers .

Na only on top fez cap Nigeria Air dey exist with days left to the end of Buhari’s administration ; yet Femi Adeshina says Buhari is leaving Nigeria better than he met it.

These are real issues; these are matters the news & print media should be bringing to our consciousness.

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