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Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by PulaPower: 10:26am On Apr 12, 2023 |
lexy2014:Your questions are due to the fact that you wanna learn what you did not know? Right? Lemme answer one and you go search for the rest. You can be an accountant in a firm or company and still be working for private clients, just as a doctor can be working in hospital but still have private clients! |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by lexy2014: 10:37am On Apr 12, 2023 |
PulaPower: why answering one? why cant you answer everything? abi your google no work? Tinubu was an accountant in USA with many clients. 1. this is a new one. i thought you guys have always been about how tinubu was an accountant with Mobil? 2. when did mobil become "many clients"? wasnt he an employee? 3. who are these his "many clients"? how do you know that he had "many clients"? Any of his clients might have used his account without telling him the source of the money...4. did you miss this part of the story? It listed the 10 account numbers that contained funds that Tinubu forfeited after the settlement of claim by parties involved in the case, as: 263226700, 39483134, 39483396, 4650279566, 00400220, 39936404, 39936383, 52050-89451952, 52050-89451952 and 52050-89451953.5. what was one man doing with 10 accounts? 6. if he was doing side hustle as you claim, why has he or any of u his followers never mentioned it before now? 7. how does an accountant in Mobil Nigeria have "private clients" in the US who you said are "many"? 8. what time does a doctor and an accountant have to leave his paid employment to attend to his "many private clients"? NB: take note of the highlighted |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by lexy2014: 10:38am On Apr 12, 2023 |
PulaPower: in court, what is called? a clarification or a defence? |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by lexy2014: 11:04am On Apr 12, 2023 |
PulaPower: initially, you said that "Tinubu was an accountant in USA with many clients". you have also acknowledged that while "Tinubu was an accountant in USA", he was with Mobil. but when he was with Mobil, he was in Nigeria. If that is the case, how does an accountant with Mobil in Nigeria have time for "many private clients" in the US? even if he was in the US with these "many private clients", how can he have time for them while still working for Mobil? can you tell the number of these "many clients"? |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by abbey621(m): 11:56am On Apr 12, 2023 |
onuman: Tinubu was an accountant and also ran his own private practice in which he handled money from numerous clients, abi dem tell you say most of the money was in a personal bank account? He was not just a salaried employee, if you don't know what you're talking about seek enlightenment instead of arguing blindly. You're making it seem that those of us in the USA are incapable of being workers and entrepreneurs at the same time. This myopic thinking is why you critics cannot decide if he's a drug baron or person who hides money for the cartels......It's pathetic & plain elementary |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by PulaPower: 12:01pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
lexy2014:Here’s no court bro lol |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by mrLhanray(m): 1:01pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
PulaPower: If you are not indicted, you won't forfeit thousands of dollars in different accounts all in your name. Tinubu opened those accounts by himself, even Tinubu was introduced by Agbele or so (one of those convicted for the crime) to the bank where he opened an account. He clearly participated. You can be indicted but not convicted. Plea bargain, forfeitures, fines, deportation, community services and so on This defence is Lame, several Fraud related issues in Nigeria will have to reopen their cases if Supreme Court accept this excuse. Na my account commit the offence, no be me |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by PulaPower: 1:06pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
mrLhanray:Well, USA never indicted, charged, convicted him! He didn’t even get a probation.. |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by lexy2014: 1:17pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
PulaPower: Does it have to be? |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by mrLhanray(m): 1:23pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
PulaPower: His charge sheet is there, he was charged to court and was not acquitted, rather he was ordered to forfeit money in his 10 bank accounts. US only honoured him then because he was a Senator in Nigeria and had strong connections. Which was why they asked him to forfeit the drug money, others linked to that case like him were convicted. |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by PulaPower: 1:30pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
lexy2014:Why not? Can surgery happen anywhere else aside from hospital? All we can do here is to clarify, agree to disagree maybe. Only in the court is where you’ll find defense bla bla bla.. You asked me a question and I’ve tried to clarify you. Sentiment aside bro.. Think about it. A black man committed a crime in USA and you think he’d go without getting convicted? Tinubu didn’t even get a probation. This is what I’m trying to let you know.. All the questions you’ve asked, FBI already investigated all. He was all clean, hence why he didn’t get anything.. For eg, you asked how could Tinubu has 10 accounts. You think FBI has not investigated that already? There’s no question you want to ask today regarding the case that has not been asked & investigated! |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by PulaPower: 1:33pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
mrLhanray:Lol. He wasn’t bro. You can only be charged when you have commited a crime! And no, the case had happened way before he became a senator. He was still in USA when it happened and he lived in USA for long after he happened without getting indicted or charged! |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by Electorate: 1:41pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
Islie: PulaPower: IamDietiesGod: Guestlander: citygarden: GogetterMD: PulaPower: SmartPolician: aceman88: It appears APC shot themselves on the foot with this defense... One of the reason to disqualify someone from being President of Nigeria is: "They are under a sentence of death imposed by any competent court of law or tribunal in Nigeria or a sentence of imprisonment or fine for any offence involving dishonesty or fraud or for any other offence, imposed on them by any court or tribunal or substituted by a competent authority for any other sentence imposed on them by such a court or tribunal;" Focus on the bolded and tell us why he had to forfeit that money if no offense is committed, abi Tinubu did giveaway to the US Government ni? What exactly is the meaning of forfeiture again? Common sense is indeed not common. Tinubu will be disqualified.
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Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by lexy2014: 1:44pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
PulaPower: Pls remind about the topic of the thread? So what did the FBI say about Tinubu was doing with 10 accounts opened his name? Are those 10 accounts still operational? Did you get this comment u made earlier from d FBI investigation? Tinubu was an accountant in USA with many clients. Based on that comment, can you use the FBI investigation to assist in answering the following questions? 1. . this is a new one. i thought you guys have always been about how tinubu was an accountant with Mobil? 2. when did mobil become "many clients"? wasnt he an employee? 3. who are these his "many clients"? how do you know that he had "many clients"? Any of his clients might have used his account without telling him the source of the money... 4. did you miss this part of the story? It listed the 10 account numbers that contained funds that Tinubu forfeited after the settlement of claim by parties involved in the case, as: 263226700, 39483134, 39483396, 4650279566, 00400220, 39936404, 39936383, 52050-89451952, 52050-89451952 and 52050-89451953. 5. what was one man doing with 10 accounts? 6. if he was doing side hustle as you claim, why has he or any of u his followers never mentioned it before now? 7. how does an accountant in Mobil Nigeria have "private clients" in the US who you said are "many"? 8. what time does a doctor and an accountant have to leave his paid employment to attend to his "many private clients"? NB: take note of number 3 |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by lexy2014: 1:48pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
abbey621: Which private practice did Tinubu run as an accountant while he was still an employee and when did this happen? Can you tell us the name of the private practice and the name of the company he was working with at the time? Who were these his "numerous clients" he was servicing while still working as an employee? |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by Shikini: 1:50pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
Wow |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by PulaPower: 1:52pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
lexy2014:Tinubu had many clients in USA because he was an accountant. He didn’t starts here in Nigeria. He started in USA. |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by abbey621(m): 1:53pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
lexy2014: I don't need to give you details, all you need to do is read the court documents and the checking accounts used to recover the funds. Abi ordinary employees dey get corporate/business accounts? Who owned Compass Finance & Investment Co.? Una no dey read that is why una criticize everything using sentiments rather than logic! |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by UNDFTD: 2:14pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
victorsola: Excuse you? If he was NOT indicted, how come he has a case against him under financial transactions in violation of 18 U.S. Code § 1956 & 1957 and therefore the funds were forfeitable to the United States pursuant to 21 U.S.C. Section 881 (a) 6 and 18 U.S.C. 981? First of all, what's an indictment? "An indictment is when a person is given formal notice that it is believed that he has committed a crime. The indictment contains the basic information that informs the person of the charges against them. He was indicted for committing a financial crime and he plea bargained so that the case against him would NOT go to trial. So, please, do NOT opine on what you do NOT know! |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by lexy2014: 2:18pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
abbey621: Can you show me the criticism you referring to? Since you have read the court documents, then you shouldn't have any issues answering the questions I asked Which private practice did Tinubu run as an accountant while he was still an employee and when did this happen? Can you tell us the name of the private practice and the name of the company he was working with at the time? Who were these his "numerous clients" he was servicing while still working as an employee? |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by lexy2014: 2:20pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
PulaPower: So based on that, kindly answer the following questions. 1. . this is a new one. i thought you guys have always been about how tinubu was an accountant with Mobil? 2. when did mobil become "many clients"? wasnt he an employee? 3. who are these his "many clients"? how do you know that he had "many clients"? Any of his clients might have used his account without telling him the source of the money... 4. did you miss this part of the story? It listed the 10 account numbers that contained funds that Tinubu forfeited after the settlement of claim by parties involved in the case, as: 263226700, 39483134, 39483396, 4650279566, 00400220, 39936404, 39936383, 52050-89451952, 52050-89451952 and 52050-89451953. 5. what was one man doing with 10 accounts? 6. if he was doing side hustle as you claim, why has he or any of u his followers never mentioned it before now? 7. how does an accountant in Mobil Nigeria have "private clients" in the US who you said are "many"? 8. what time does a doctor and an accountant have to leave his paid employment to attend to his "many private clients"? |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by SKIBiNSKI(m): 2:30pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
alade00:If you say so. and i don't have to agree with your opinion. So i wait for the Naigerian judiciary to prove as i ve said to me, to the world that they are credible and incorruptible. From your opinion above it appears you also do not trust the naigerian courts and judiciaries Let the courts decide!! |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by lexy2014: 2:33pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
PulaPower: Which takes back to what I asked u earlier but u couldn't answer. initially, you said that "Tinubu was an accountant in USA with many clients". you have also acknowledged that while "Tinubu was an accountant in USA", he was with Mobil. but when he was with Mobil, he was in Nigeria. If that is the case, how does an accountant with Mobil in Nigeria have time for "many private clients" in the US? even if he was in the US with these "many private clients", how can he have time for them while still working for Mobil? can you tell me the number of these "many clients"? |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by victorsola: 2:45pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
UNDFTD:and in 2003 all this evidence where proven in the court and yet it doesn’t go against the constitution as regards his ability to contest . So even if they see him drinking the drug from a drum and it doesn’t affect his constitutional right to contest . The petition is dead on arrival . That my point .cus all this moral talks no follow . At the end of the day no politician is a saint . |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by PulaPower: 2:46pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
lexy2014: |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by UNDFTD: 2:54pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
victorsola: And you do NOT see anything wrong with that simply because you're from a country where the rule of law counts for nothing? And when you travel outside of your country, when you're pulled aside for special scrutiny and interrogation because you're coming from a narco-designated country, I hope you do NOT complain and call them racists. Good luck with that! |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by Tecno66: 2:58pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
DatNiggaDaz:Money not a fine but he merely surrendered it! Isn't that funny? 1 Like |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by lexy2014: 3:09pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
[quote author=PulaPower post=122468728][/quote] 1. Earlier, you had agreed that Tinubu was with Mobil while he was in d US. How come you are just realizing that Tinubu worked Deloitte and Touche? 2. when did mobil become "many clients"? wasnt he an employee? Ans - Did you even know that the case has happened before tinubu moved to Nigeria to started working at Mobil? I should be the one asking you cos you agreed that Tinubu had "many clients" while in d US as an accountant in Mobil. According to you..."I don’t know them and how I know is up to me. If you want to know, you can as well make a research!" The questions am asking you is the research am making. If you don't know the "many clients ", how then do you know that they are many? 5. what was one man doing with 10 accounts? Ans - We should ask US bank! Oh is it now the bank we should ask? I thought you said FBI has investigated? Based on the FBI investigation, can't you state what it is Tinubu was doing with 10 bank accounts? 6. if he was doing side hustle as you claim, why has he or any of u his followers never mentioned it before now? Ans - how can you even know they didn’t. You that did not know tinubu worked at Deloitte and Touche.. If I didn't, how did I know that his career at Mobil began in Nigeria? Obviously, u the one who had no idea what it is Tinubu was doing in d US. I ask again...if he was doing side hustle as you claim, why has he or any of u his followers never mentioned it before now? 8. what time does a doctor and an accountant have to leave his paid employment to attend to his "many private clients"? Ans - You for example, do you fall sick everyday? Do you need a Doctor everyday? Your account, is it everyday you do have a problem with it? I know of a doctor, working at a govt hospital, that has more than 25 clients as private clients and he later ended up opening his own hospital. So why can’t a doctor have time for private clients? Are you saying you don’t have a private doctor or nurse? Am glad you said "govt hospital" where doctors don't come to work but instead use govt time for their private practice. True or false? Based on your response, with the volume of patients at govt hospitals, how does a doctor have time to attend to 25 patients if he isn't short changing his employer? Did you count the 25 clients yourself? For a doctor and accountant, what time during working hours will they have to attend to their private clients after reporting to work in d morning? You said Tinubu had "many clients" in d US. How much time in d day did he have attending to these "many clients" while still reporting to Deloitte and Touche every day? Are you saying that he was absconding from work to attend to these "many clients"? Can you tell us the number of these clients like you did for your doctor? |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by PulaPower: 3:24pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
lexy2014: Ans - Hypocrites. How did you know it was everyday? How did you know it wasn’t once a week or twice month? |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by abbey621(m): 3:24pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
lexy2014: I'm not referring specifically to only you but to all the critics on this thread who have called him a drug baron in the past! Furthermore I already provided you with the business name on the checking account where the funds were seized, the fact that such an account exist is enough evidence that he was not just a mere employee. You are asking for proof of numerous client isn't that silly? Out of millions in his accounts only 460k was forfeited, does that not show you that not all his clients could be successfully traced to illegal activities? Does that not show you that he dealt with other clients aside those implicated? Again, your failure to do proper research is getting the best of you, I know what you want, a useless back and forth shouting match but I won't give you that satisfaction, facts are facts my nigga, enough of this free education, you want more, you've got to pay! |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by lexy2014: 3:31pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
abbey621: are you not aware that asking questions is an integral part and the foundation of research or how else is research carried out? pls let me know. how did you know that Tinubu had millions in his accounts? what was his account balance before the $460k forfeiture? can you educate others when you havent educated yourself? meanwhile, you are yet to answer the following. Can you show me the criticism you referring to? Since you have read the court documents, then you shouldn't have any issues answering the questions I asked Which private practice did Tinubu run as an accountant while he was still an employee and when did this happen? Can you tell us the name of the private practice and the name of the company he was working with at the time? Who were these his "numerous clients" he was servicing while still working as an employee? |
Re: Why Tinubu Forfeited $460,000 In US — APC Tells Court by lexy2014: 3:47pm On Apr 12, 2023 |
PulaPower: good. kindly use your knowledge of his itinerary to answer the question i asked you. 1. Earlier, you had agreed that Tinubu was with Mobil while he was in d US. How come you are just realizing that Tinubu worked Deloitte and Touche? Ans - I agree? How did I agree? I knew Tinubu worked in Deloitte Mahn. you knew? so what was your IMMEDIATE response to the question i asked that how did Tinubu as an accountant in Mobil nigeria have "many clients" in the US? 2. when did mobil become "many clients"? wasnt he an employee? Ans - Did you even know that the case has happened before tinubu moved to Nigeria to started working at Mobil? The questions am asking you is the research am making. If you don't know the "many clients ", how then do you know that they are many? Ans - like I said, it’s up to me how I know. If you wanna know, you can research. If not, you wait till court! The questions am asking you is the research am making. If you don't know the "many clients ", how then do you know that they are many? 5. what was one man doing with 10 accounts? Ans - We should ask US bank! Oh is it now the bank we should ask? I thought you said FBI has investigated? Based on the FBI investigation, can't you state what it is Tinubu was doing with 10 bank accounts? You are one lazy human. If I don’t state it and you really wanna know, can’t you find out yourself? If you don’t wanna ask bank, you can ask a church. oh, you already getting emotional. since you arent lazy, how come you cant answer the simple question? is it now the bank we should ask? I thought you said FBI has investigated? Based on the FBI investigation, can't you state what it is Tinubu was doing with 10 bank accounts? 6. if he was doing side hustle as you claim, why has he or any of u his followers never mentioned it before now? Ans - how can you even know they didn’t. You that did not know tinubu worked at Deloitte and Touche.. If I didn't, how did I know that his career at Mobil began in Nigeria? Ans - now you’re lieing. You didn’t know tinubu worked at Deloitte. You didn’t even know when the case started. You thought it was when he was already here in Nigeria. I won’t go further with you cuz you’re not ready to converse, you only wanna hide understand the conversation to vent whatever you had in mind. I’m 100% sure you didn’t know! then you should have no problems answering the question i asked....If I didn't, how did I know that his career at Mobil began in Nigeria? For a doctor and accountant, what time during working hours will they have to attend to their private clients after reporting to work in d morning? Ans - If you call your nurse or doctor while at work for a medical question, won’t he/she pick? Don't they use WhatsApp? what then is the use of hospital if we can just call doctor and nurse on the phone or send whatsapp? was it whatsapp that Tinubu was using to attend to his "many clients" in the US? if his "many clients" were calling him on phone, what time would he now have to do his job for Deloitte and Touche? Am glad you said "govt hospital" where doctors don't come to work but instead use govt time for their private practice. True or false? Based on your response, with the volume of patients at govt hospitals, how does a doctor have time to attend to 25 patients if he isn't short changing his employer? Did you count the 25 clients yourself? Kindly answer the following: You said Tinubu had "many clients" in d US. How much time in d day did he have attending to these "many clients" while still reporting to Deloitte and Touche every day? Are you saying that he was absconding from work to attend to these "many clients"? Can you tell us the number of these clients like you did for your doctor? |
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