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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 1:50pm On Apr 14, 2023
wirinet:


The same medical report by Dr. Andrew Baker that reached a conclusion that the neck restriction was the ultimate cause of George Floyd's death.

For the umpteenth time, this is the conclusion of Dr. Andrew Baker whose medical report you linked;

On Friday, Hennepin County chief medical examiner Andrew Baker, who performed the county autopsy, took the stand. In documents last year, Baker described the “fatal level of fentanyl” in Floyd’s system and told federal investigators that if the victim was “found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be an acceptable overdose.” Baker also cautioned, “I am not saying this killed him.”

You are now reaching a different conclusion from the medical professional that wrote the report itself.

In case you can assimilate words and texts, this is the same Dr. Andrew Baker when he was disposed in the trial of Derrick Chauvin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM0m31mJ_SM

Abi Dr. Andrew Baker was lying too like you accuse police bosses?


The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."
This medical examiner's report does not mention asphyxiation. However, according to prosecutors, in charging documents filed last week, early results "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation

Dr Baker was unduly influenced by the rioters who was burning down the city? The whole shenanigans with mob justice threats And with Saint Jesus of Chicago weighing in Chauvin goose was cooked. The leftist mob went to threaten SCOTUS justices after Roe vs Wade an intimidating tactic the left is perfecting.

The left also wanted Justice Kavanaugh blocked. They are looking to kick out Clarence Thomas. They want justices who have no knowledge of biology to define ( not describe) a woman.
The liberal left lunatics are simply put Pure EVIL
Someone jailed 40 years for using his training that resulted in a drug infested criminal who held a gun to a pregnant woman's belly at one time.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 2:16pm On Apr 14, 2023
Obrigardo:
Ijebos, budaatum
Did you guys see that Sam Smith concert in Sheffield. I literally felt a vomit coming out of my system.
I don't know how you feel about it but it was deplorable. Acts like what he did is the reason the Reich wing nuts conflate lgbtq, trans and queer to pedos which is never the case.
It takes away the focus from these same right wing nuts abusing children everyday and supporting child marriages.

Shame on Sam Smith, used to love his songs.

They don't give a fuq and are intentionally sticking their finger up god's nose.

Never heard of before now.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 2:20pm On Apr 14, 2023
Obrigardo:

If these celebrities could be more socially aware of what happens in our world maybe they should cut it down and move the narrative towards the daily deluge of Pastors, cops and Politicians abusing children everyday.

They are socially aware. That's why they are opposing it instead of letting the likes of basilico dictate how they live.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DeepSight(m): 2:31pm On Apr 14, 2023
basilico:


GF tested positive for COVID-19.
Full autopsy report. I'll only focus on his neck and drugs in his black veins

Read in full here.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6936176-Autopsy-2020-3700-Floyd


Toxicology (see attached report for full details ; testing

performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at
9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)
Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
1 . 11ng mL
2 . Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3 . 4 - ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4 . Methamphetamine19 ng/mL
5 . 11- Hydroxy Delta- 9 THC 1.2 ng mL;
Delta- 9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/ mL; Delta- 9 THC 2.9 ng/ mL
6 . positive
7 . Caffeine.


NECK : Layer by layer dissection of the anterior strap muscles of

the neck discloses no areas of contusion or hemorrhage within
the musculature . The thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone are
intact . The larynx is lined by intact mucosa. The thyroid is
symmetric and red-brown, without cystic or nodular change.
The
tongue is free of bite marks, hemorrhage, or other injuries.
The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of
hemorrhage



Pardon me, but I am a bit of a retard. So please help me understand you with dumbed down answers to these simple questions.

Is it your position that George Floyd was not killed by the actions of Derek Chauvin?
Is it your position that Derek Chauvin acted rightly and thus should not have been declared guilty?


Thank you for your kind understanding.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by IjeBos(m): 2:34pm On Apr 14, 2023
Obrigardo:


It was just sexually suggestive and there were kids in the concert from the tik-tok vid I saw. The Reich wing nuts have a way of obfuscating the truth.

Someone like basilico can just take this and use it to disparage all the evidence of Reich wing nuts sexually abusing minors on a daily basis.

If these celebrities could be more socially aware of what happens in our world maybe they should cut it down and move the narrative towards the daily deluge of Pastors, cops and Politicians abusing children everyday.

It's hard not to, but we can't be led by the Conservative Nuttery. Either you believe in a parents rights or you don't. You can't believe in it only when the parent does what you want. You can't believe it's ok for a 12 y.o. to get married and then b*tch that they are at that show. I believe in allowing people to make their own life decisions as long as it doesn't impact others. But I am also socially conservative. I wouldn't be at the show and neither would my kids. But if parents think that is ok.. hey.

Also a lot of this is nuttery. When I was in undergrad I got to spend some time in the UK. Growing up in the Catholic environment I did, I felt like a prude while I was there. The UK's view of sex is much different than the US and their society is still around.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 2:37pm On Apr 14, 2023
The Florida House passed HB1297, a bill that allows for the death penalty for rapists of children under the age of 12 without jury unanimity, by a 95-14 vote on late Thursday.



Obrigardo. You think paedos should be 'died'.
I think so.
But it's a tall order otherwise full proof is needed which is a problem when you have the likes of JB who likes children sitting on his laps, grasping his hair.
Or Hunter Biden who MAY (in Caps) had inappropriate contact with his niece
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 2:57pm On Apr 14, 2023
DeepSight:


Pardon me, but I am a bit of a retard. So please help me understand you with dumbed down answers to these simple questions.


Is it your position that George Floyd was not ] killed by the actions of Derek Chauvin?

!quote]



He had lethal amounts of drugs in his veins. The effects of fentanyl, methamphetamine, cannabis, heart diseases and
covid did not exonarate his death.




Is it your position that Derek Chauvin acted rightly and thus should have been declared guilty?

[/quote]



Derek had used the neck restraints method before. He is white so his restrictions killed a black man causing all hullabaloo
.

Thank you for your kind understanding. [/quote]

Figure out. I'm on transit, don't have to do grammar checks..
We are after all heading to a nuclear warming
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 3:12pm On Apr 14, 2023
IjeBos:


It's hard not to, but we can't be led by the Conservative Nuttery. Either you believe in a parents rights or you don't. You can't believe in it only when the parent does what you want. You can't believe it's ok for a 12 y.o. to get married and then b*tch that they are at that show. I believe in allowing people to make their own life decisions as long as it doesn't impact others. But I am also socially conservative. I wouldn't be at the show and neither would my kids. But if parents think that is ok.. hey.

Also a lot of this is nuttery. When I was in undergrad I got to spend some time in the UK. Growing up in the Catholic environment I did, I felt like a prude while I was there. The UK's view of sex is much different than the US and their society is still around.

In Blighty just don't scare the horses. Children, we educate to immunize against stupidity unless chosen or harmful.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 3:13pm On Apr 14, 2023
DeepSight:


Pardon me, but I am a bit of a retard. So please help me understand you with dumbed down answers to these simple questions.

Is it your position that George Floyd was not killed by the actions of Derek Chauvin?
Is it your position that Derek Chauvin acted rightly and thus should not have been declared guilty?


Thank you for your kind understanding.

this one might help you. Wirinet ran away from this.

Martinez, Calif. – The Contra Costa District Attorney’s Office concludes there is no evidence of criminal offense by Antioch Police officers in the death of 30-year-old Angelo Voithugo Quinto.

The District Attorney’s Office released a Law Enforcement Involved Fatal Incident (LEIFI) report today as part of Contra Costa County’s protocol to investigate incidents when officers or civilians are shot or die during an encounter with law enforcement. The report is available on the District Attorney’s website.

The purpose of the report is to independently determine criminal liability in fatal incidents when law enforcement is involved. During a criminal trial, the District Attorney’s Office – which represents The People of the State of California — has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that a death was not justified.

Part of the LEIFI report contains a legal analysis of the evidence in the death of Quinto. That analysis determined the Antioch Police officers engaged with Quinto in a manner that was lawful and objectively reasonable under the circumstances. Moreover, the report notes that the officers utilized reasonable force during their contact with Quinto [PC 835a(a)(3)].

The circumstances surrounding this incident were initiated with a 911 call from Angelo Quinto’s sister on December 23, 2020, at around 11:10 pm. Quinto’s sister wanted law enforcement’s help after Quinto was being erratic, physically aggressive, and harming his mother. Quinto’s mother could be heard in the background of the call saying “I can’t breathe. Stop it.” while Quinto’s sister told the 911 operator that he was strangling Mrs. Quinto.

Antioch Police officers arrived about a minute later. They were met by Quinto’s sister, who was clutching a hammer to protect herself from her brother. Officers heard a commotion coming from Quinto’s bedroom. When they entered the room, they saw Quinto’s mother struggling with him in a bearhug hold on the ground. Officers separated the two. One officer kneeled and placed one knee on Quinto’s shoulder to handcuff him while the other held onto his legs. This was the extent of force utilized by the two officers to restrain Quinto, and to prevent him from harming himself, family members, or the officers.

Police told Mrs. Quinto that her son was not under arrest. Rather, emergency responders were on their way to transport him to a hospital for any physical injuries. He would also receive a mental health evaluation while being treated at the medical facility. While one officer went to his patrol vehicle to get the needed paperwork, emergency medical crews arrived on the scene. They rolled Angelo over and noticed he was unconscious, his face was purple in color, and there was blood on the floor and his face. The officers did not strike Quinto in any way, and the autopsy revealed bite marks to Quinto’s inner cheek and tongue. Life-saving measures were administered, and Quinto was transported to a hospital in Antioch — where he died on December 26th.

An autopsy was performed on December 28th by the Contra Costa County Coroner’s Office. The cause of death was Excited Delirium Syndrome due to drug intoxication, psychiatric conditions, physical exertion, and cardiac arrest.

A toxicology report by the Coroner’s Office showed that Angelo Quinto had the presence of caffeine, Levetriacetam (a therapeutic for adults and children with epilepsy), and Modafinil – a drug to stimulate wakefulness – in his system. The County of Santa Clara Medical Examiner-Coroner reviewed the autopsy findings and agreed with its conclusions.

The Quinto[b] family commissioned an independent autopsy[/b], and its findings note the cause of death was restraint asphyxiation. The private autopsy lists petechial hemorrhaging as the basis for such conclusion. An independent toxicology report also found the presence of Fentanyl in Quinto’s blood – in addition to Modafinil and Levetiracetam.

However, of critical importance to the investigation, an internal examination showed no bone fractures or damage to Quinto’s larynx and trachea. While there are conflicting medical opinions as to the cause of death, the accounts of what transpired in the bedroom are consistent among all witnesses in that no police officer applied pressure to Quinto’s neck.

After reviewing the evidence, the method of restraining Angelo Quinto by Antioch Police officers on December 23rd was objectively reasonable under the totality of the circumstances. Therefore, when applying the applicable law and the California District Attorney’s Uniform Crime Charging Standards, there is no evidence of a criminal offense committed by the Antioch Police officers involved in restraining Angelo Quinto.

Contra Costa District Attorney’s Office will take no further action in this case.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DeepSight(m): 3:14pm On Apr 14, 2023
basilico:


Is it your position that Derek Chauvin acted rightly and thus should have been declared guilty?





Derek had used the neck restraints method before. He is white so his restrictions killed a black man causing all hullabaloo
.

Thank you for your kind understanding.

Figure out. I'm on transit, don't have to do grammar checks..
We are after all heading to a nuclear warming

May I thus infer that in your view, Derek did nothing wrong and was innocent?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 3:16pm On Apr 14, 2023
basilico:
He had lethal amounts of drugs in his veins. The effects of fentanyl, methamphetamine, cannabis, heart diseases and
covid did not exonarate his death.

Tell me you did not hold your breathe and hope we wouldn't notice you are not making sense.

In fact do you know you've made no sense?
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 5:37pm On Apr 14, 2023
benalvino3:


this one might help you. Wirinet ran away from this.


Sure I ran away from arguing senselessly on a case that had gone through the judicial process and all officers involved had been punished appropriately.

I ran away from senseless comparisms that has no relations or similarities with this case. If Derrick Chauvin's Lawyers have new evidence or strongly believes there was a mistrial, nothing prevents them from launching an appeal.
A more practical thing to do since you are so obsessed to defend Derrick Chauvin was to contact Chauvin's Lawyers and offer to join the legal team while presenting your new evidence. It makes no sense for you to be crying over Chauvin's guilty verdict when Chauvin and his lawyers have resigned to their fate.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 5:48pm On Apr 14, 2023
DeepSight:


May I thus infer that in your view, Derek did nothing wrong and was innocent?
.
Cause of death undetermined from drugs which he quickly swallowed on seeing cops, He had them all fentanyl,bhang , methamphetamine etc Or the corona virus or the lnee on the neck that Chauvin a police veteran had used before
Don't forget the Lynch mob baying for blood

My verdict. Do good. Don't let criminal GF be your hero
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 5:56pm On Apr 14, 2023
budaatum:


Tell me you did not hold your breathe and hope we wouldn't notice you are not making sense.

In fact do you know you've made no sense?

Criminal GF diied with covid
( or Covid) while fully pumped
up with every drug imaginable and having a cop veteran subdue him That's another unanswered Riddle.No evidence it was a homicide,the lynch mob was it

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DeepSight(m): 6:07pm On Apr 14, 2023
basilico:

.
Cause of death undetermined from drugs which he quickly swallowed on seeing cops, He had them all fentanyl,bhang , methamphetamine etc Or the corona virus or the lnee on the neck that Chauvin a police veteran had used before
Don't forget the Lynch mob baying for blood

My verdict. Do good. Don't let criminal GF be your hero

Remember I told you I am a retard. I thought my question was simple enough. You have not answered it. Please can you try again? I will restate the question -

May I thus infer that in your view, Derek did nothing wrong and was innocent?

Please dumb down the answer. It can look something like this: "Yes, he did nothing wrong and is innocent." or "He acted wrongly and is guilty." No long thing sir. I no sharp like you.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DeepSight(m): 6:10pm On Apr 14, 2023
budaatum:


Tell me you did not hold your breathe and hope we wouldn't notice you are not making sense.

In fact do you know you've made no sense?

I was really wondering what basilico was writing there. Aside from the spelling - "exonarate" - which he could claim to be a typo - the proper word still remains meaningless in the sentence in which he used it.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 6:12pm On Apr 14, 2023
wirinet:


Sure I ran away from arguing senselessly on a case that had gone through the judicial process and all officers involved had been punished appropriately.

I ran away from senseless comparisms that has no relations or similarities with this case. If Derrick Chauvin's Lawyers have new evidence or strongly believes there was a mistrial, nothing prevents them from launching an appeal.
A more practical thing to do since you are so obsessed to defend Derrick Chauvin was to contact Chauvin's Lawyers and offer to join the legal team while presenting your new evidence. It makes no sense for you to be crying over Chauvin's guilty verdict when Chauvin and his lawyers have resigned to their fate.

if it has no relation or similarities then you need to get your head checked.
let me list them out for you.
Fentanyl
police
Knee
excited Delirium
etc etc.

to the Bold, people have never been wrongfully convicted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8U8k60TDM4

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 6:17pm On Apr 14, 2023
basilico:

.
Cause of death undetermined from drugs which he quickly swallowed on seeing cops, He had them all fentanyl,bhang , methamphetamine etc Or the corona virus or the lnee on the neck that Chauvin a police veteran had used before
Don't forget the Lynch mob baying for blood

My verdict. Do good. Don't let criminal GF be your hero

Your verdict. What qualifications other than being a Trump's cult Member qualifies to to have a verdict?

I don't understand how you are attempting to open a case that had already been decided. A case that numerous expert withness testified, a case that Derrick Chauvin and his accomplices were allowed to defend themselves and a case that was decided unanimously by a jury of 12. What are you then arguing about again.

You bring in lies and conjectures as if we did not follow the case live on TV. The records are still on line both in video and text format, so I don't understand why you continue to lie in order to defend a white man and demonise a black man.

Cause of death was not undetermined from drugs, it was from asphyxiation as a result of Chauvin's knee to his neck.

There is no evidence that fentanyl, methamphetamine or any other drug killed him.
Again below is the testimony of an expert withness confirming he died as a result of knee on the neck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COKt97dcZXE

Here is another expert withness that confirm that the amount of methamphetamine in his blood was therapeutic levels and not fatal levels


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx113F_jyKU


That covid antibodies were found in his blood did not necessarily mean he had an active covid infection. It could be antibodies from a previous infection. Covid antibodies remain in the body for up to 3 months after an infection.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DeepSight(m): 6:44pm On Apr 14, 2023
wirinet:


Cause of death was not undetermined from drugs, it was from asphyxiation as a result of Chauvin's knee to his neck.


It beats me how he cannot even see the yelping contradiction in the phrase "undetermined from drugs" - You cannot say that cause of death is "undetermined" and in the very same breath say "from drugs." That is just a shouting contradiction.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 8:56pm On Apr 14, 2023
DeepSight:
I was really wondering what basilico was writing there. Aside from the spelling - "exonarate" - which he could claim to be a typo - the proper word still remains meaningless in the sentence in which he used it.

He was hoping we'd not notice that he tells himself lies, and writing it would make it obvious to himself hence the rubbish.

DeepSight:

It beats me how he cannot even see the yelping contradiction in the phrase "undetermined from drugs" - You cannot say that cause of death is "undetermined" and in the very same breath say "from drugs." That is just a shouting contradiction.
He cannot see because he can not look because his sight is very shallow.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 9:59pm On Apr 14, 2023
Neck . No bruises.Didnt bite his tongue.
He died of asphyxiation.Cry me a river
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by feedthenation(m): 10:10pm On Apr 14, 2023
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 9:11am On Apr 15, 2023
basilico:
Neck . No bruises.Didnt bite his tongue.
He died of asphyxiation.Cry me a river
Argue with the medical professionals that carried out the autopsy reports. You are the one crying an ocean as Derrick Chauvin is serving his jail time peacefully. It you crying for him.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 4:48pm On Apr 15, 2023
grin grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 9:32am On Apr 16, 2023
Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva has said that the United States should stop “encouraging” the war in Ukraine.
Endless war.

Base on Hollywood movies, some people here think that anywhere the united states introduce war to, it is for democracy and good. Ibime, Budaatum and some people here have this childish notion.

the first casualty of any war is truth.

leaked documents proves what i have been saying. this tactic they employ is to keep war going for eternity. See Syria, despite weapons sent, as soon as russia backs up Syria, everything crumble. the same is the case for Ukraine. they will throw billions into a war that will yield no result. Ukraine is being used as a proxy to fight russia. they could have just let Ukraine be Ukraine and not try to influence them. I mean, that is more of the EU's problem, it is their duty to solve issues around the region not the United states.

The EU is a leach of a union that is there to suck the US dry. watch how some will wash their hands off if anything serious happens... we are seeing France who is still angry because Australia canceled submarine deal with them and went to the US instead.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 9:34am On Apr 16, 2023
benalvino3:
Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva has said that the United States should stop “encouraging” the war in Ukraine.
Endless war.

Base on Hollywood movies, some people here think that anywhere the united states introduce war to, it is for democracy and good. Ibime, Budaatum and some people here have this childish notion.

the first casualty of any war is truth.

leaked documents proves what i have been saying. this tactic they employ is to keep war going for eternity. See Syria, despite weapons sent, as soon as russia backs up Syria, everything crumble. the same is the case for Ukraine. they will throw billions into a war that will yield no result. Ukraine is being used as a proxy to fight russia. they could have just let Ukraine be Ukraine and not try to influence them. I mean, that is more of the EU's problem, it is their duty to solve issues around the region not the United states.

The EU is a leach of a union that is there to suck the US dry. watch how some will wash their hands off if anything serious happens... we are seeing France who is still angry because Australia canceled submarine deal with them and went to the US instead.

Man shut up

Incase you need reminder that Russia was the one that invaded, Russian troll farms have hammered this mumu brain into thinking Russia is the one that wants peace and Ukraine is the one that doesn't

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 10:08am On Apr 16, 2023
Ibime:


Man shut up

Incase you need reminder that Russia was the one that invaded, Russian troll farms have hammered this mumu brain into thinking Russia is the one that wants peace and Ukraine is the one that doesn't

is not like they don't know what will happen. they keep pushing for expansion into russia's border even if they know war is the only outcome. You should be there subscribing to the propaganda they have entertained you with and not recognize that this problem is preventable from the get go. Again, It is the EU that is supposed to be at the forefront with Ukraine matter, not the US.

from 2013 they have been trying to destabilize the Region, they even use coup they remove the Ukrainian elected president. they haven't stopped since then.

Hillary and Dems campaigned on war with Russia.

While Russia is wrong to invade Ukraine, what has the US been doing that made this happen?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 10:14am On Apr 16, 2023
benalvino3:


is not like they don't know what will happen. they keep pushing for expansion into russia's border even if they know war is the only outcome. You should be there subscribing to the propaganda they have entertained you with and not recognize that this problem is preventable from the get go. Again, It is the EU that is supposed to be at the forefront with Ukraine matter, not the US.

from 2013 they have been trying to destabilize the Region, they even use coup they remove the Ukrainian elected president. they haven't stopped since then.

Hillary and Dems campaigned on war with Russia.

While Russia is wrong to invade Ukraine, what has the US been doing that made this happen?


Ukraine did nothing but attempt to join the EU and better themselves. Russian troll farms have got to you

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 10:41am On Apr 16, 2023
Ibime:



Ukraine did nothing but attempt to join the EU and better themselves. Russian troll farms have got to you

really, in 2014 what happened? what was the US doing in Ukraine? why were they removing an elected president?
EU will not even accept turkey it is ukraine they will accept? you use the word russian troll farms like it helps you make a point.

Ukraine has a long history of seeking to join NATO, you said they did nothing but attempt to join the EU.
the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, a military alliance of democratic countries. Ukraine's relations with NATO started in 1991 - wiki

after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Ukraine applied to integrate with a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008, but this was blocked by some NATO members who feared provoking Russia. - so they know the outcome of their actions

Ukraine renewed its interest in NATO membership after the 2014 - this was when American was actively organizing a coup in the country. you say it is how they bring democracy to countries - the Irony
Ukrainian revolution and the Russian annexation of Crimea. In 2019, Ukraine amended its constitution to declare NATO membership as a strategic goal. - what do you expect? Russia should just accept and let Natos war machines on their border?

The Cuban missile crisis was a major confrontation in October 1962 that brought the United States and the Soviet Union close to nuclear war over the Soviet installation of nuclear-armed missiles in Cuba, 90 miles from U.S. shores. The U.S. demanded that the Soviets halt the construction and remove the missiles, and enacted a naval blockade around Cuba. The crisis was resolved when the U.S. agreed not to invade Cuba in exchange for the Soviet withdrawal of the missiles and other offensive weapons

So the US did not like Russian equipment close to them?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 10:47am On Apr 16, 2023
benalvino3:


really, in 2014 what happened? what was the US doing in Ukraine? why were they removing an elected president?
EU will not even accept turkey it is ukraine they will accept? you use the word russian troll farms like it helps you make a point.

Ukraine has a long history of seeking to join NATO, you said they did nothing but attempt to join the EU.
the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, a military alliance of democratic countries. Ukraine's relations with NATO started in 1991 - wiki

after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Ukraine applied to integrate with a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008, but this was blocked by some NATO members who feared provoking Russia. - so they know the outcome of their actions

Ukraine renewed its interest in NATO membership after the 2014 - this was when American was actively organizing a coup in the country. you say it is how they bring democracy to countries - the Irony
Ukrainian revolution and the Russian annexation of Crimea. In 2019, Ukraine amended its constitution to declare NATO membership as a strategic goal. - what do you expect? Russia should just accept and let Natos war machines on their border?

The Cuban missile crisis was a major confrontation in October 1962 that brought the United States and the Soviet Union close to nuclear war over the Soviet installation of nuclear-armed missiles in Cuba, 90 miles from U.S. shores. The U.S. demanded that the Soviets halt the construction and remove the missiles, and enacted a naval blockade around Cuba. The crisis was resolved when the U.S. agreed not to invade Cuba in exchange for the Soviet withdrawal of the missiles and other offensive weapons

Man shut up

Ukraine had a deal from the EU, their parliament voted to approve it

The President unilaterally ripped it up in order to sign a deal with Russia and was chased out

Ukraine was then invaded by Russia and separatists were armed in their East

Ukraine's only sin is wanting to make money with EU. They amended their constitution to put NATO as a goal after being invaded and suffering aggression for 5 years

That's why any former Eastern bloc country that joins EU immediately joins NATO. They use NATO to protect their EU status because Mother Russia throws a fit anytime one of its neighbours join EU

Joining EU is their gateway from turning from the most wretched country in Europe into a 1st world country, like all their neighbours have done. Their only sin is trying to escape poverty

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Man shut up

Ukraine had a deal from the EU, their parliament voted to approve it

The President unilaterally ripped it up in order to sign a deal with Russia and was chased out

Ukraine was then invaded by Russia and separatists were armed in their East

Ukraine's only sin is wanting to make money with EU. They amended their constitution to put NATO as a goal after being invaded and suffering aggression for 5 years

That's why any former Eastern bloc country that joins EU immediately joins NATO. They use NATO to protect their EU status because Mother Russia throws a fit anytime one of its neighbours join EU

Joining EU is their gateway from turning from the most wretched country in Europe into a 1st world country, like all their neighbours have done. Their only sin is trying to escape poverty

Good, so EU draws a member, that member then Join NATO and you expect russia do sit by and allow it to happen?

The president of a country rejected a deal, the US organized a coup to remove that president. that is not right. we are seeing the effects and to you NATO that can't resist expanding are the good guys.

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