At what point is one born again?

Jesus said, unless one is born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom. Birth with water is clear, birth with the spirit is my question: is birth with the spirit, holy spirit baptism? I mean, what happened to Acts 2, is that being born again?

vybzkartel:
■ At what point is one born again? Jesus said, unless one is born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom. Birth with water is clear, birth with the spirit is my question:
■ is birth with the spirit, holy spirit baptism?
■ I mean, what happened to Acts 2, is that being born again?

As Jesus Christ explained in His sermon to Nicodemus, Man was born flesh and blood from his mother's womb. Jesus Christ told you this in His Gospel, affirming what God said in the beginning when He pointed out that man was made from the clay of this earth, not spirit - Genesis 2 vs 6 - 7

5 Jesus answered, “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.
6 The only life people get from their human parents is physical. But the new life that the Spirit gives a person is spiritual.
7 Don’t be surprised that I told you, ‘You must be born again.’
8 The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don’t know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit.”
9 Nicodemus asked, “How is all this possible?”
10 Jesus said, “You are an important teacher of Israel, and you still don’t understand these things?
11 The truth is, we talk about what we know. We tell about what we have seen. But you people don’t accept what we tell you.
12 I have told you about things here on earth, but you do not believe me. So I’m sure you will not believe me if I tell you about heavenly things!
13 The only one who has ever gone up to heaven is the one who came down from heaven—the Son of Man.
14 “Moses lifted up the snake in the desert. It is the same with the Son of Man. He must be lifted up too.
15 Then everyone who believes in him can have eternal life.”
16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.
17 God sent his Son into the world. He did not send him to judge the world guilty but to save the world through him. - John 3 vs 5 - 17

Jesus Christ went on to explain in the passage above that being born-again means to be born of the Spirit of Eternal Life , and He, the Spirit of Eternal Life wields control over those who are born of Him turning them in whichever direction He—Spirit of Eternal Life — chooses aka Spiritual possession. Basically, to be born of the Spirit of (Eternal Life) is to be possessed by the Spirit of Eternal Life .

2. This is a wrong belief by those of the religion of Christianity given that the Spirit of Eternal Life is not the Spirit of Truth which Jesus Christ described as the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is never mentioned by Jesus Christ in the entire context of the conversation He had with Nicodemus about being born-again and what it means. So it is wrong to conclude that the Holy Spirit is involved in the born-again process.

3. In Acts 2, the apostles who were already acquainted with a first helper before that time - John 14 vs 15 - 16 - did not become born again on the day of Pentecost, rather what they experienced was the indwelling of the Spirit of Truth aka the Holy Spirit whom Jesus Christ told them would arrive after He was gone from them. Essentially, while Jesus Christ was with them, the disciples were in fact born-again and already had the first helper — possessed by the Spirit of Eternal Life. They, however, received the second Helper — the Spirit of Truth aka the Holy Spirit, after Jesus Christ had left them.

vybzkartel:

At what point is one born again?
Jesus said, unless one is born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom. Birth with water is clear, birth with the spirit is my question: is birth with the spirit, holy spirit baptism? I mean, what happened to Acts 2, is that being born again?

Many things Jesus said were taken out of context by misinformed churchgoers. The verse most people quotes regarding born again is not talking to all Christians but as usual some impostors who have been misled by their cravings for material possessions {Philippians 3:18-19} these people are the ones misleading others {2Timothy 3:13} saying everyone must be born again.

Nicodemus was the one and only person Jesus directly talked to about being born again it was never mentioned again so what happened?

The first century Jews had a high court and all members of this court serve as the religious rulers among the Jews {John 3:1 compare to Luke 18:18} this ruling class strongly believe that they've prepared themselves ready for the Kingdom of the promised Messiah (Christ) as they're seeing to the affairs of the Jewish nation and teaching their people God's word.
The group was made up of two fractions:
Pharisees ~ Religious ruling class based on the reformation of the temple and edited laws of Moses, they have added their own meaning to the laws and this was affected by what they learned from pagan customs like Babylon and Greece, they felt the God of Abraham is higher than all others so they forbid their people from mentioning His name this is a misinterpretation of what was written in the Mosaic laws. Exodus 20:7
Sadducees ~ Religious ruling class arranged by Herod Antipas the Judea King. This group only sit in the court to protect the interest of King Herod so they also add their own opinion which often leads to arguments between the two groups {Act 23:6-7} however the Roman government colonizing them decreed that if they want to be recognized by Roman empire they must agree as one (this was used as a snare to make them disagree so that both will be cancelled) but the two groups agreed.
The Roman government also forced them to agree that any of the two groups can produce the High Priest of the Jews even though this is in total contrast to what was written in God's law both groups agreed as they're desperately interested in being part of the political movement.
Their major concern is that the Messiah (Christ) will come and lead them into conquest first against Rome and all other powerful nations of the earth {Daniel 2:44} so that they will rule forever with the Christ as written in the prophecies! Isaiah 9:6-7

So when Jesus of Nazareth began performing up to expectation just as it was written in the scriptures many of them realized that at last the Messiah (Christ) has arrived but instead of coming into their midst and planning with them on how to proceed with the things written Jesus was going to poor and sinful Jews who only manage to pick few things from the teachings of their religious rulers so it was like what they expected totally differs from what the young man (Jesus) is doing!

This is why some of them like Nicodemus went to seek Jesus' approval secretly {John 3:2} and trust Jesus who is highly intelligent he quickly hit the nail on the head by telling Nicodemus that what that group is expecting none of them can have it unless they humble become part of his disciples and forgo all their political ambitions {Luke 18:18-23} so they must be baptized as disciples of Christ and await the baptism by the spirit which only belongs to those who will be fully prepared to work for the Christ {John 3:3-6 compare to Matthew 20:20-23} many Jews surely got baptized in water and became Jesus' disciples but before long most of them deserted Jesus when he used an illustration to emphasize what they needed to do before they can be part of his ruling team! John 6:48-66

However twelve of all his disciples stood firm knowing fully well that there's no other place or group they can be to gain salvation {John 6:67-69} but despite all their suffering with Jesus one out of the twelve also lost in the race! John 6:70-71

By the time God will baptize the first set of Christ's co-rulers among the Jews 120 loyal disciples of Christ were together faithfully praying to God in Jesus name in anticipation of the promises of God and what Jesus told them, that was the day they were baptized as the first set of Christ's co-rulers to become BORN AGAIN Christians! Act 2:1-4

The spirit of God would have chosen all the co-rulers among the Jews only while all other nations will have to gain salvation through them {Zechariah 8:23} but most Jews weren't ready {Matthew 22:4-5} in fact they were criticizing the faith in Christ Jesus {Matthew 22:6 compare to Act 5:28, 40} that's why the invitation to become part of Christ's co-rulers was extended to people of other nations! Matthew 22:7-10 compare to John 1:11-12

From the beginning Jerusalem supposed to be the government house of God's Kingdom {Isaiah 2:3} but the Jews has brought a big curse on that city {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why Jesus told his disciples bad bad things that will happen to their city {Matthew 24:1-2} they became devastated because if Jerusalem is destroyed again after Christ has come then where are they going to stay as Christ's co-rulers? That's why Jesus said:

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me. In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be." John 14:1-3

So it's not all Christians that needed to become BORN AGAIN rather it's only those that will rule with Christ and it's not by effort or ability because it's God Himself who selects them Jesus have no say in the selection of those going to rule with him {Matthew 20:23} he can only teach them if they act on what he taught God Himself does the selection!

May you have PEACE!

Wonderful Explanation
@MaxInDHouse

SeniorMan715:
Wonderful Explanation
@MaxInDHouse

All glory and honor be to Jehovah the one who is pleased to reveal such sacred secrets to babies in the faith like me! Matthew 11:25

MaxInDHouse:


Many things Jesus said were taken out of context by misinformed churchgoers. The verse most people quotes regarding born again is not talking to all Christians but as usual some impostors who have been misled by their cravings for material possessions {Philippians 3:18-19} these people are the ones misleading others {2Timothy 3:13} saying everyone must be born again.

Nicodemus was the one and only person Jesus directly talked to about being born again it was never mentioned again so what happened?

The first century Jews had a high court and all members of this court serve as the religious rulers among the Jews {John 3:1 compare to Luke 18:18} this ruling class strongly believe that they've prepared themselves ready for the Kingdom of the promised Messiah (Christ) as they're seeing to the affairs of the Jewish nation and teaching their people God's word.
The group was made up of two fractions:
Pharisees ~ Religious ruling class based on the reformation of the temple and edited laws of Moses, they have added their own meaning to the laws and this was affected by what they learned from pagan customs like Babylon and Greece, they felt the God of Abraham is higher than all others so they forbid their people from mentioning His name this is a misinterpretation of what was written in the Mosaic laws. Exodus 20:7
Sadducees ~ Religious ruling class arranged by Herod Antipas the Judea King. This group only sit in the court to protect the interest of King Herod so they also add their own opinion which often leads to arguments between the two groups {Act 23:6-7} however the Roman government colonizing them decreed that if they want to be recognized by Roman empire they must agree as one (this was used as a snare to make them disagree so that both will be cancelled) but the two groups agreed.
The Roman government also forced them to agree that any of the two groups can produce the High Priest of the Jews even though this is in total contrast to what was written in God's law both groups agreed as they're desperately interested in being part of the political movement.
Their major concern is that the Messiah (Christ) will come and lead them into conquest first against Rome and all other powerful nations of the earth {Daniel 2:44} so that they will rule forever with the Christ as written in the prophecies! Isaiah 9:6-7

So when Jesus of Nazareth began performing up to expectation just as it was written in the scriptures many of them realized that at last the Messiah (Christ) has arrived but instead of coming into their midst and planning with them on how to proceed with the things written Jesus was going to poor and sinful Jews who only manage to pick few things from the teachings of their religious rulers so it was like what they expected totally differs from what the young man (Jesus) is doing!

This is why some of them like Nicodemus went to seek Jesus' approval secretly {John 3:2} and trust Jesus who is highly intelligent he quickly hit the nail on the head by telling Nicodemus that what that group is expecting none of them can have it unless they humble become part of his disciples and forgo all their political ambitions {Luke 18:18-23} so they must be baptized as disciples of Christ and await the baptism by the spirit which only belongs to those who will be fully prepared to work for the Christ {John 3:3-6 compare to Matthew 20:20-23} many Jews surely got baptized in water and became Jesus' disciples but before long most of them deserted Jesus when he used an illustration to emphasize what they needed to do before they can be part of his ruling team! John 6:48-66

However twelve of all his disciples stood firm knowing fully well that there's no other place or group they can be to gain salvation {John 6:67-69} but despite all their suffering with Jesus one out of the twelve also lost in the race! John 6:70-71

By the time God will baptize the first set of Christ's co-rulers among the Jews 120 loyal disciples of Christ were together faithfully praying to God in Jesus name in anticipation of the promises of God and what Jesus told them, that was the day they were baptized as the first set of Christ's co-rulers to become BORN AGAIN Christians! Act 2:1-4

The spirit of God would have chosen all the co-rulers among the Jews only while all other nations will have to gain salvation through them {Zechariah 8:23} but most Jews weren't ready {Matthew 22:4-5} in fact they were criticizing the faith in Christ Jesus {Matthew 22:6 compare to Act 5:28, 40} that's why the invitation to become part of Christ's co-rulers was extended to people of other nations! Matthew 22:7-10 compare to John 1:11-12

From the beginning Jerusalem supposed to be the government house of God's Kingdom {Isaiah 2:3} but the Jews has brought a big curse on that city {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why Jesus told his disciples bad bad things that will happen to their city {Matthew 24:1-2} they became devastated because if Jerusalem is destroyed again after Christ has come then where are they going to stay as Christ's co-rulers? That's why Jesus said:

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me. In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be." John 14:1-3

So it's not all Christians that needed to become BORN AGAIN rather it's only those that will rule with Christ and it's not by effort or ability because it's God Himself who selects them Jesus have no say in the selection of those going to rule with him {Matthew 20:23} he can only teach them if they act on what he taught God Himself does the selection!

May you have PEACE!

Wrong again. Yes Jesus Christ was addressing Nicodemus but his statement is same for everyone.
Let's read his words.
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

No man would enter God's Kingdom without being born again not only Nicodemus but everyone. That's what Jesus Christ said.

tctrills:

Wrong again. Yes Jesus Christ was addressing Nicodemus but his statement is same for everyone.
Let's read his words.
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

No man would enter God's Kingdom without being born again not only Nicodemus but everyone. That's what Jesus Christ said.

Go and use what you have to gather members and start worshiping with them, but make sure they're zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word so they can pass what you know to others!

MaxInDHouse:


Go and use what you have to gather members and start worshiping with them, but make sure they're zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word so they can pass what you know to others!

I love what you say. zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word not Guesswork

tctrills:

I love what you say. zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word not Guesswork

Go and gather them to work with you i'm not interested in arguing with you!

MaxInDHouse:


Go and gather them to work with you i'm not interested in arguing with you!

You don't need to argue, I just corrected you with the scriptures.
And you are welcome.

tctrills:

You don't need to argue, I just corrected you with the scriptures.
And you are welcome.

Go and worship with those that agree with your interpretation after all they're your born again brothers.
Over 8.5 millions of Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously preaching and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood what i presented and mind you only less than 8,000 among them claim they're born again.
So go and worship with your born again people who are doing the work Jesus commissioned zealously and industriously like Jehovah's Witnesses! James 2:18-26

SeniorMan715:
Wonderful Explanation

So, your religion has it that Jesus Christ, the one who said everyone must be born-again, beginning almost 2000 years ago when He made the proclamation is a liar?

1. There was a man named Nicodemus, one of the Pharisees. He was an important Jewish leader.
2 One night he came to Jesus and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a teacher sent from God. No one can do these miraculous signs that you do unless they have God’s help.”
3 Jesus answered, “I assure you, everyone must be born again. Anyone who is not born again cannot be in God’s kingdom.”
4 Nicodemus said, “How can a man who is already old be born again? Can he go back into his mother’s womb and be born a second time?”
5 Jesus answered, “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.
6 The only life people get from their human parents is physical. But the new life that the Spirit gives a person is spiritual.
7 Don’t be surprised that I told you, ‘You must be born again.’
8 The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don’t know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit.” - John 3 vs 1 - 8

The same Jesus Christ who declared in Luke 21 vs 33 that His Word is everlasting — unchanging — is nothing but a liar to you folks? I guess my question then is why hide behind the many mentions of His name?

MaxInDHouse:

Go and worship with those that agree with your interpretation after all they're your born again brothers.
Over 8.5 millions of Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously preaching and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood what i presented and mind you only less than 8,000 among them claim they're born again.
So go and worship with your born again people who are doing the work Jesus commissioned zealously and industriously like Jehovah's Witnesses! James 2:18-26

Why talk like a child. Nairaland is not a church

It is entering into your mother's womb again...and be born again...

Kobojunkie:
So, your religion has it that Jesus Christ, the one who said everyone must be born-again, beginning almost 2000 years ago when He made the proclamation is a liar?

Everyone must be born again because of what?
Continue deceiving yourselves!

tctrills:

Why talk like a child. Nairaland is not a church

Real BORN AGAIN must have the same line of thought, that's what Jesus Christ taught {John 17:22} so if some useless miscreants are claiming born again Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines they're deceiving themselves! Luke 11:23

MaxInDHouse:

Real BORN AGAIN must have the same line of thought, that's what Jesus Christ taught {John 17:22} so if some useless miscreants are claiming born again Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines they're deceiving themselves! Luke 11:23

That's my point, you guys teach contradictory teachings to what the Savior taught.
The Savoir said that no man can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again but you said that was wrong.
You guys are found of saying that the Saviors statements are wrong.
You would claim it was a parable abi.
What makes you different from those you condemn.
FYI, I just found out that people actually read my communications with you and even quote it.
Its only becoming more fun.

tctrills:

That's my point, you guys teach contradictory teachings to what the Savior taught.
The Savoir said that no man can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again but you said that was wrong.
You guys are found of saying that the Saviors statements are wrong.
You would claim it was a parable abi.
What makes you different from those you condemn.
FYI, I just found out that people actually read my communications with you and even quote it.
Its only becoming more fun.

Which of all the churches is born again church with all their conflicting doctrines?

MaxInDHouse:


Which of all the churches is born again church with all their conflicting doctrines?

You are one of them

tctrills:

You are one of them

I never claimed BORN AGAIN nah?

MaxInDHouse:


I never claimed BORN AGAIN nah?

But you are also in the business of lying and dishonesty.
It doesn't matter if you claim to be born again or not.
Each group comes up with its own set of lies.
I wonder why you feel justified to condemn another organisation.

tctrills:

But you are also in the business of lying and dishonesty. It doesn't matter if you claim to be born again or not. Each group comes up with its own set of lies. I wonder why you feel justified to condemn another organisation.

I am justified by presenting a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} having the same line of thought on the matter! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10

If you believe that all members of the Christian group must be born again why can't you present just one so everyone can see how born again Christians are organized?

You're lying because real BORN AGAIN don't contradict themselves, whatever one says is the opinion of the rest {Ephesians 4:3} that's why you can't mention any group.

Jehovah's Witnesses organization have just few BORN AGAIN members among us and we are well organized as if we speak just one language globally! Zephaniah 3:9


If you're not lying present your own church of BORN AGAIN members all through let's see how God's Holy Spirit is working what is fine in your gathering!

MaxInDHouse:


I am justified by presenting a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} having the same line of thought on the matter! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10

If you believe that all members of the Christian group must be born again why can't you present just one so everyone can see how born again Christians are organized?

You're lying because real BORN AGAIN don't contradict themselves, whatever one says is the opinion of the rest {Ephesians 4:3} that's why you can't mention any group.

Jehovah's Witnesses organization have just few BORN AGAIN members among us and we are well organized as if we speak just one language globally! Zephaniah 3:9


If you're not lying present your own church of BORN AGAIN members all through let's see how God's Holy Spirit is working what is fine in your gathering!

Your argument continues to be childish. Don't you see how foolish your set up is? Your ogas at the top tell you that they are born again but you can never be born again. You can never enter the kingdom of God only your Ogas would be allowed. Only your white American bosses.
At least the other churches you condemn are better. They did not create an exclusive club for those who would be saved.
Now you are right, born again don't contradict themselves and also, they don't contradict the words of Christ.
How come 8 million people are being fooled by their few American so called born again.
So you would never be part of the Kingdom of God, you know it but you are excited about it because 😜 your bosses tell you to be.

MaxInDHouse:


I am justified by presenting a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} having the same line of thought on the matter! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10

If you believe that all members of the Christian group must be born again why can't you present just one so everyone can see how born again Christians are organized?

You're lying because real BORN AGAIN don't contradict themselves, whatever one says is the opinion of the rest {Ephesians 4:3} that's why you can't mention any group.

Jehovah's Witnesses organization have just few BORN AGAIN members among us and we are well organized as if we speak just one language globally! Zephaniah 3:9


If you're not lying present your own church of BORN AGAIN members all through let's see how God's Holy Spirit is working what is fine in your gathering!

Now let me quote from the JW bible.
3 In response Jesus said to him: “Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born again,*+ he cannot see the Kingdom of God.”+ 4 Nic·o·deʹmus said to him: “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter into the womb of his mother a second time and be born, can he?” 5 Jesus answered: “Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born from water+ and spirit,+ he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. 7 Do not be amazed because I told you: You people must be born again.

tctrills:

Now let me quote from the JW bible.
3 In response Jesus said to him: “Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born again,*+ he cannot see the Kingdom of God.”+ 4 Nic·o·deʹmus said to him: “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter into the womb of his mother a second time and be born, can he?” 5 Jesus answered: “Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born from water+ and spirit,+ he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. 7 Do not be amazed because I told you: You people must be born again.

Jesus is referring to the Jews who are his primary assignment {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} not all, he primary assignment is to gather Jews who are going to rule with him it's this Jews that will go preaching and teaching what Jesus taught them so that other nations may be saved through them {Zechariah 8:23} that's the promise God made to Abraham {Genesis 12:1-3} the Jews are supposed to be the first set of people before any other race {Act 2:39} this promise is what makes them feel proud and special to the extent they look down on the rest of Israelites that's why they call those ones "Samaritans" and will not like to have anything to do with them! John 4:9

So if any Jew should come in contact directly with Jesus of Nazareth he must be BORN AGAIN to be in God's Kingdom because that's his primary assignment so Jesus could tell those Jews "You people must be born again" any Jew who never had direct dealing with Jesus could be part of the other sheep {John 10:16} this ones will be subjects in God's Kingdom not the first set of ruling class! Luke 12:32

It was their rejection of Jesus Christ that opened the way for people of other nations to be called into the first set {John 1:11-12 compare to Matthew 22:8-10} that's the import of 144,000 who follows the lamb anywhere he goes! Revelations 14:4

Abeg don't change the subject present the church of BORN AGAIN Christians all through let's see how organized they are because that is the one and only evidence Jesus promised as sign to know his real group! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

Failure to present that means you are saying the spirit of God is a failure.

So i'm waiting!

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus is referring to the Jews who are his primary assignment {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} not all, he primary assignment is to gather Jews who are going to rule with him it's this Jews that will go preaching and teaching what Jesus taught them so that other nations may be saved through them {Zechariah 8:23} that's the promise God made to Abraham {Genesis 12:1-3} the Jews are supposed to be the first set of people before any other race {Act 2:39} this promise is what makes them feel proud and special to the extent they look down on the rest of Israelites that's why they call those ones "Samaritans" and will not like to have anything to do with them! John 4:9

So if any Jew should come in contact directly with Jesus of Nazareth he must be BORN AGAIN to be in God's Kingdom because that's his primary assignment so Jesus could tell those Jews "You people must be born again" any Jew who never had direct dealing with Jesus could be part of the other sheep {John 10:16} this ones will be subjects in God's Kingdom not the first set of ruling class! Luke 12:32

It was their rejection of Jesus Christ that opened the way for people of other nations to be called into the first set {John 1:11-12 compare to Matthew 22:8-10} that's the import of 144,000 who follows the lamb anywhere he goes! Revelations 14:4

Abeg don't change the subject present the church of BORN AGAIN Christians all through let's see how organized they are because that is the one and only evidence Jesus promised as sign to know his real group! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

Failure to present that means you are saying the spirit of God is a failure.

So i'm waiting!

No you are wrong. Jesus Christ never said only the Jews could be born again. No single verse declared that only the Jews could be born again.

Your religion is just guesswork. So you guessed he was referring to Jews when instead he said all must be born again.

No verse in the entire bible teaches that only the Jews would be saved or would enter the kingdom of God.
The apostles of Christ did not have two different messages. It was the same message for both the Jews and gentiles.
Read the words of the Savior
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

In the early church, all, both Jews and gentiles were the same before God. Cornelius was not a jew.

Yes the gospel was first preached to the Jews but the same message was preached to the gentiles.

Now to you question. Again you asked a very foolish question and I would tell you why.
Only God can tell if or when someone is born again.
Being born again is not a title. You do not see it on someones forehead. So asking for a born again church shows you are confused.
Now let's read the scriptures to understand what it means to be born again.

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Do you see why your question is foolish? Being born again is beyond the church you attend. Its those who will overcome.

So in a nutshell you don't know any RELIGION that's filled with BORN AGAIN so that we can verify from observing them what makes your so called BORN AGAIN differs from false religions shey?

Continue deceiving yourself!

tctrills:

No you are wrong. Jesus Christ never said only the Jews could be born again. No single verse declared that only the Jews could be born again. Your religion is just guesswork. So you guessed he was referring to Jews when instead he said all must be born again. No verse in the entire bible teaches that only the Jews would be saved or would enter the kingdom of God.
The apostles of Christ did not have two different messages. It was the same message for both the Jews and gentiles.
Read the words of the Savior
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.In the early church, all, both Jews and gentiles were the same before God. Cornelius was not a jew. Yes the gospel was first preached to the Jews but the same message was preached to the gentiles.
Now to you question. Again you asked a very foolish question and I would tell you why.
Only God can tell if or when someone is born again. Being born again is not a title. You do not see it on someones forehead. So asking for a born again church shows you are confused. Now let's read the scriptures to understand what it means to be born again.
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Do you see why your question is foolish? Being born again is beyond the church you attend. Its those who will overcome.

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell you don't know any RELIGION that's filled with BORN AGAIN so that we can verify from observing them what makes your so called BORN AGAIN differs from false religions shey?

Continue deceiving yourself!

In a nutshell, religions are not born again Individuals are.
Christ did not say your church needs to be born again. He said you must be born again. It is the person that is born again not the church.
So please stop the guess work.
There are millions of individuals who are born again not the church.
Do you now understand.
Again Christ never said only Jews are to be born again. Please stop the lies.

O yeah but he surely said he primarily came for Jews only {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} and the prophecy said people of the nations has to rely on Jews to gain salvation! Zechariah 8:23

So if you can't present a church where all members are BORN AGAIN continue deceiving yourself!

tctrills:

In a nutshell, religions are not born again Individuals are.
Christ did not say your church needs to be born again. He said you must be born again. It is the person that is born again not the church.
So please stop the guess work.
There are millions of individuals who are born again not the church.
Do you now understand.
Again Christ never said only Jews are to be born again. Please stop the lies.

[quote author=MaxInDHouse O yeah but he surely said he primarily came for Jews only {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} and the prophecy said people of the nations has to rely on Jews to gain salvation! Zechariah 8:23
No he came to save the whole world. He came to bring salvation to both Jews and gentiles. He died for all. Its foolish of you to think he came only for the Jews and you are still a Christian? Please read this verses below to understand.
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:


Its exactly the same blessing for those who believe through the words of the Apostles (The bible) no difference in their blessings. Do you get it now.

So if you can't present a church where all members are BORN AGAIN continue deceiving yourself!
This again is a foolish idea. Churches are not born again, people are. Jesus Christ never spoke of a born again church.
Let me quote his very words.
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
He did not say except a church is born again so that shows the weakness in your question.


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tctrills:

No he came to save the whole world. He came to bring salvation to both Jews and gentiles. He died for all. Its foolish of you to think he came only for the Jews and you are still a Christian? Please read this verses below to understand.
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Its exactly the same blessing for those who believe through the words of the Apostles (The bible) no difference in their blessings. Do you get it now.This again is a foolish idea. Churches are not born again, people are. Jesus Christ never spoke of a born again church.
Let me quote his very words.
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
He did not say except a church is born again so that shows the weakness in your question.

Atheist claiming believer!


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MaxInDHouse:

Atheist claiming believer!


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https://www.nairaland.com/6849153/how-many-fathers-heaven
https://www.nairaland.com/6909313/god-spirit-what-does-it
https://www.nairaland.com/6945720/what-curse-ada
https://www.nairaland.com/6941774/why-dont-people-die-churches
https://www.nairaland.com/6961839/conceived-jesus-christ-father-holy
https://www.nairaland.com/6952514/gods-firstborn-jesus-christ-isreal
https://www.nairaland.com/7081153/what-function-holy-ghost
https://www.nairaland.com/7093441/did-jesus-die-those-lived

So as I was saying Christ sent his Apostles to all creatures not just the Jews. Let's read from Mark
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
To those that believe, he gave the very same blessing not minding if they are Jews.

Yes the gospel came to the Jews first but the blessings are the same.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

So let's stop this guesswork. For you to be saved, you need to be born again. Jew or gentile

Also I love the fact that I live rent free in your head.
You even keep the record of all my activities on Nairaland.
You are the best fan I will ever have