petra1:


You're wrong . On what ground will you say such thing

Mat 1:22 — Mat 1:23
Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Dantedasz:



I suggest you read Isiah Chapter 7 completely. It is self explanatory and simple enough proof that Isiah was talking of a different virgin birth.
The author of Mathew for reasons best known to him took that passage in Isiah and falsely interpreted it as being about Jesus Christ.
You guys need to do a little reading and research sometimes. That is why atheists always beat you at knowledge of your religious book because we read and have an open mind. I suggest you get Isiah Isiah Chapter 7 and read it then tell me if the writer is referring to Jesus virgin birth or a virgin birth that concerns a war. I know this is difficult for you because the INDOCTRINATION from youth is strong.

petra1:


You're still wrong, you are the one who need to study how to interpret prophecies .

There is never a case in the bible of virgin birth apart from christ . If there is kindly explain to us who got the virgin pregnant in the old testament..
Even if at all there is any case like that which I'm sure there is none . There are principles involved in interpretations of prophecies .

There is law of foreshortening
There is law of double reference etc
By the law of double reference there are prophecies that have multiple fulfillment. Prince of Persia could have a partial earthly reference yet a spiritual reference
David prophesying about ahithiopel betrayal yet still applicable to Judas betrayal . But on this topic that's not the case . There is only one virgin , Mary

Dantedasz:

My friend,
The bible is not Ifa divination that you need a priest to interpret it for you.All you need to understand the bible is ability to READ and COMPREHEND.

The problem with Christian's is that you guys do NOT read your religious book but rely on what people or your pastors tell you.
For the last time I repeat the virgin story in Isiah Chapter 7 is NOT talking about Jesus Christ virgin birth.
There are TWO different virgin birth stories in the bible.
The author of Mathew for reasons best known to him or because of mistranslation decided to claim the story in Isiah Chapter 7 refers to Jesus but it does not.
Isiah Chapter 7 refers to a virgin birth during a war as a sign to a king.
Go and read your bible please.

petra1:


Seeing is one thing comprehending is another. There are principles to bible interpretation if not the ethiopian eunuch would not ask Philip to interpret the verse he was reading



Oh , so you're one of them . In that case theres no point discussing spiritual matters with an unconverted because the holy spirit that give understanding is not in you . Except you're not yet a proper unbeliever . Your a christian who just lost his way but deep down you know your just rebelling .



Enough talks . Just quote the passage for is and tell us who's its talking about

HedwigesMaduro:


So if any robber is caught and sentenced to death the mom should also be killed because as you said, without her giving birth to him he wouldn't have been a robber? Am I getting you clearly?

Dantedasz:
@ Themadame
There is NO need to mention me about the above Chapter of the bible because I already know about it word for word.
As I said before the knowledgeable Christian's already know about this first virgin birth and know that the author of Mathew for reasons best known to him decided to ascribe it to the second virgin birth of Jesus.
Thank you. Like I said before I do not wish to comment on this thread again.

TheMadame:
■ First of all I wish to state that I am a Christian,however I am a Christian that asks questions. My question concerns the virgon birth of our lord Jesus Christ which is recorded in the Holy Bible in the gospels of Mathew and Luke. The Apostle Paul wrote 14 books in the new testament. He wrote a lot of letters to various churches in different towns and countries admonishing Christian's on how to live a good life but he never once mentions the divine virgin birth of our lord Jesus.
■ Please I need people who are well versed in the Bible study to explain this to me and others who might have this same question. Is it that Apostle Paul was not aware of the virgin birth being a late convert to Christianity or was there a hidden reason why he fails to mention the virgin birth in any of his letters?
I am intrigued because the virgin birth of Jesus is the foundation of Christianity. I appreciate any answers to my questions.

Dantedasz:
■ The simple fact is Paul is one of the main sources of the teachings of Christ as we know them in the scriptures. For him to never once mention the virgin birth in all his writings is extremely strange unless the early Christians did not believe that Jesus was the son of God. If the early Christians knew nothing about a virgin birth, it logically follows that they believed he was a human/man. From this deduction it follows that the virgin birth stories in Luke and Mathew gospels are latter interpolations. From this the trinity concept of the holy ghost/spirit is proven to be false because there was no holy spirit/virgin Mary conception.

Kobojunkie:
Yet 98% of the teachings contained in the Gospels is missing from the letters from the letters of Paul? Someone is sure pushing falsehood here and it ain't Paul.

Dantedasz:


What exactly are you on about this time?
Address the OP as I have done.

Dantedasz:
What exactly are you on about this time? Address the OP as I have done.

Caveatemptor:
It's like you don't know that woman. She is a busybody itk personality. Jumping from religious thread to religious thread with no substance.

Kobojunkie:
Spoken like a true Nigerian man. I am certain that is the part you are irked most about... the possibility of what seems a woman to you understanding these things better than you ever could. You can't stand a woman not being as ignorant as you are about life and issues, can you? Even worse, a woman blatantly pointing out what is ignorance everywhere you turn, right?

The challenge remains open, if you feel I am wrong on any subject, feel free to argue your side of it intelligently,

Caveatemptor:
○You are actually the one having issues with you sex,seeing that you try so hard to hide it but some of us can see through your bullsh1t. My sincere advise to you is that you try to calm down and understand what each peculiar thread is about before flying in and posting off point all the time. Read carefully and comprehend before posting your points,but then we all know you are not going to do this are you? You are possibly already on another thread,not understanding its essence arguing off point with NO substance!

Kobojunkie:
No need for the ramblings abeg!

The challenge remains open, if you feel I am wrong on any subject, feel free to argue your side of it intelligently,

Caveatemptor:


It's like you don't know that woman. She is a busybody itk personality. Jumping from religious thread to religious thread with no substance.

Caveatemptor:
○Go back to the beginning of this thread because it is an old thread which was rejuvenated today. Carefully read from the beginning. You will see my points. Then you can pick my points and let's debate the facts.
It is not right for you to be jumping from thread to thread without reading or understanding what is being discussed just arguing blindly and off point. It is not rocket science.

TheMadame:
Good day everyone.
First of all I wish to state that I am a Christian,however I am a Christian that asks questions. My question concerns the virgon birth of our lord Jesus Christ which is recorded in the Holy Bible in the gospels of Mathew and Luke.
The Apostle Paul wrote 14 books in the new testament. He wrote a lot of letters to various churches in different towns and countries admonishing Christian's on how to live a good life but he never once mentions the divine virgin birth of our lord Jesus.
Please I need people who are well versed in the Bible study to explain this to me and others who might have this same question.
Is it that Apostle Paul was not aware of the virgin birth being a late convert to Christianity or was there a hidden reason why he fails to mention the virgin birth in any of his letters?
I am intrigued because the virgin birth of Jesus is the foundation of Christianity.
I appreciate any answers to my questions.

Kobojunkie:
Simple, You lied regarding the content of Paul's letters which I am sure you have never in fact read and compared to the Gospels for yourself before making the claim that you did.

Dantedasz:
Lied? What do you mean lied? I hope you don't have a loose screw somewhere upstairs??
I am not responding to your rudeness again.

Dantedasz:
■ The simple fact is Paul is one of the main sources of the teachings of Christ as we know them in the scriptures. .

TheMadame:

Is it that Apostle Paul was not aware of the virgin birth being a late convert to Christianity or was there a hidden reason why he fails to mention the virgin birth in any of his letters?

TheMadame:
Good day everyone.
First of all I wish to state that I am a Christian,however I am a Christian that asks questions. My question concerns the virgon birth of our lord Jesus Christ which is recorded in the Holy Bible in the gospels of Mathew and Luke.
The Apostle Paul wrote 14 books in the new testament. He wrote a lot of letters to various churches in different towns and countries admonishing Christian's on how to live a good life but he never once mentions the divine virgin birth of our lord Jesus.
Please I need people who are well versed in the Bible study to explain this to me and others who might have this same question.
Is it that Apostle Paul was not aware of the virgin birth being a late convert to Christianity or was there a hidden reason why he fails to mention the virgin birth in any of his letters?
I am intrigued because the virgin birth of Jesus is the foundation of Christianity.
I appreciate any answers to my questions.

4ward4:


Your questions are critical questions.
But the Virgin birth been the foundation of Christianity is False, Christ Resurrection is the Basis of Christianity and on that ground is the subject of dispute with other religions.
They are certain facts we need to know about the Bible and that will help you judge properly. It is a compilation and documentation of things that happens, reason why one can read it just like a Story book, imagine it and even act movies with it...Unlike other holy books that looks uncomprehensive.
The 66 books were what the church thik will be important to the Faith. Their are many other books & letters, like that of Mary Magdalin, St Jerome and others new apostles. and of course you should be certain not everything written by Paul in his 14 chapters were exacts..The church through it's scholars will edit and cut some parts.

TheMadame:



On the first bolded, there are Christian schools that will disagree with your postulation. While some Christian school of thought believe the resurrection is the foundation of Christianity other schools of thought regard the virgin birth as the foundation because of trinity issues-God, son and holy ghost. Some sects even believe in the perpetual virginity of mother Mary. So to them they will obviously regard the virgin birth as the foundation. So your first point is subject to debate.

As for the second bolded, we need not sugar coat issues on how the biblical cannon was established. There were many various Christian sects by the time Rome adopted Christianity as the official religion. The sects that had the ears of the emperor became the most powerful sects, used the power of the emperor to persecute the weaker sects, confiscated all their religious books and destroyed/burnt them. The books of these powerful sects are what became the Christian holy bible by the power of Rome and we're ratified by the Nicene, Constantinople councils and the various creeds thereafter.