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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 11:15am On Apr 23, 2023 |
Christistruth03:it is not up to them, this is what history says meanwhile the same inconsequential Oba of lagos that supposedly did not control any land by your arajugbo history(which you usually never have any material to back up) ceded lagos to the British in 1861. How ironic, how clannish of a people to have watched a king that did not control any land to have ceded lagos to the British in @1861 Your brazen denial of the Oba of lagos strength in lagos history has no place anywhere in historical analysis. It was this stool, the Oba of lagos not the Olofin, not the Oloto that ceded lagos to the British in 1861. An inconsequential king cannot do that we can see your argument has a place in delusion and self denial. Unarguably, going by lagos history and politics, the Oba of lagos seem to have been the numero uno among kings in lagos state Going by our account, he was a son of Oba Orhogbua 3 Likes
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 11:44am On Apr 23, 2023 |
Ologbo147: Oba of Lagos only influence is between Idumota and Obalende Markets on Lagos Island he doesn’t even control Ikoyi on the same Lagos Island He is the Head of a District in Aworiland Oba Ado was the Son Asipa had with a Benin Princess Oba Ado was an Isheri Man With an Benin Princess mother There is a very big difference between having an Oba of Benin as your Maternal Grandfather and being the son of the Oba of Benin Oba Ado was Awori from Isheri Olofin his mum being a Benin Princess didn’t change that fact |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 11:49am On Apr 23, 2023 |
Christistruth03:you have any material, eye witness accounts preferably that corroborate your partitioning ? Why was it the Oba of Lagos that ceded Lagos to the British in 1861 4 Likes |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 12:04pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Christistruth03:According to Edo account my brother, the Oba of Lagos was a direct son of the Oba of Benin 2 Likes
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 12:06pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Ologbo147: https://wap.org.ng/read/history-of-onikoyi-and-eso-ikoyi-of-ikoyi-lagos/
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 12:10pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Ologbo147: Badagry and Whydah were under the Alaafin of Oyo especially after Benin began its decline in the 17th Century Benin May have had some Influence before 1730 but not afterwards or at least definitely not in the 18th Century How many kings did Benin install there absolutely none Hope you know the Alaafin of Oyo is still the Sovereign overlord of the Oba of Porto Novo |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 12:19pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Christistruth03:This is what I wanted you to see now According to Edo traditions, Lagos itself was founded by a Benin army, and Oba Orhogbua is said to have made it his headquarters about the middle of the sixteenth century. His son left there to rule on his behalf is claimed to have been the founder of the Lagos ruling dynasty, and this is confirmed to some extent by Lagos traditions 2 Likes
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 12:24pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 12:24pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Christistruth03:do you have any eye witness accounts to back it up , this was written by a Yoruba, if a Yoruba was to write Lagos, they will tell you the Oba of Benin probably never visited Lagos, that Benin has entirely nothing to do with lagos, they will probably tell you Benin did not pass oredo 2 Likes |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 12:28pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Ologbo147: Are you saying Yorubas don’t know their own History I will like to politely remind you that Lagos is Yorubaland It is like me looking for a White man to confirm Igbo History |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 12:28pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
[quote author=Christistruth03 post=122694714][/quote]this is Bini’s tradition, it was written seventy years ago, my father was still a toddler then, this is the tradition Bradbury met on ground, in the 50s .we know Oba Ado according to Bini tradition as the direct son of the King of Benin
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 12:29pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Ologbo147: Now you are just repeating yourself
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 12:30pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Christistruth03:I am repeating myself telling you there is a basis for it, it did not start today and it is not what we can wish away, it is something to count on. Sir Alan burn certainly consulted Lagos tradition for his write up while Bradbury consulted Edo traditions 1 Like
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 12:32pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Christistruth03:I know Lagos is Yoruba land, but when it concerns Lagos and Other tribes as it involves her affairs, there tend to be biases on one side especially when the historical narrative is coming from the indigenes of Yoruba land herself 1 Like |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 12:40pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Ologbo147: There are Histories that only the People themselves can confirm because others were not there Can any white man confirm what happened in Yorubaland or Nigeria 2000 years ago To be honest with you the White man doesn’t even have any Clue but our own People do For example we hear that Ile Ife was already existing in 300 BC because Oduduwa met the 77th Igbo king at Ife The white man heard the Story from the Natives did escavations around the Palace and found Artefacts carbon dated to 300 BC Confirming what the Black Ife Natives told him |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 12:52pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Christistruth03:Let me agree for the sake of argument, Oyo only became an empire in 1680, before then, who was Ikoyi under? |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 1:45pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 2:09pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Oyo only became an empire 240 years after Benin became one and at least 130 years after Oba Orhogbua’s incursion into Lagos 2 Likes |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 2:10pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Ologbo147: Ikoyi or Imoba as Yorubas Called it was an Independent Kingdom in Aworiland |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 2:11pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Christistruth03:proof please, was headed by who 2 Likes |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 2:13pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 2:14pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Christistruth03:any proof of when the onikoyi dynasty started and proof as to if he was ever independent(that is if his dynasty started before the emergence of Oyo 2 Likes |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by googi: 3:18pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Land grabbers in their wild imagination will never give up. The presentation made to the Privy Council as far back as 1921, was clear.
The only connection Bini Oba, a Yoruba dynasty that overthrew the wicked Ogiso had with Eko, was giving his daughter to Ashipa the First King of Eko. Some called him Eleko, others called him Olofin. Whatever you called Ashipa, he was the truce King of Lagos that married the daughter of another Yoruba king that conquered Bini after brutal Ogiso King killed a pregnant woman and others like the Urhobo, Itshekiri, Onitcha etc ran away despite the wall to keep them in The rhetorical question about Oyo Empire means that some people think Oyo only come into existence during the Empire. Oyo was the same as Yoruba, Anago, Olukumi etc found along West Africa and Americas with different names. How can anyone ask for proof that Oyo or Yoruba occupy Eko, their land before anyone else? What a question. 1 Like |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 3:52pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
googi: occupation in military warfare is keeping your army Down to ensure obedience, so that is supposed to be clear enough, The Oba of Lagos according to our tradition was the direct son of Oba Orhogbua who went to take charge of Lagos as a representative in the Oba’s stead What is the proof that that part was ever part of the Oyo kingdom because googi said it I should take it as fact! what is the proof that Oyo even when it was a mere kingdom ever extended to that part 3 Likes
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 4:06pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 4:10pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
[quote author=Christistruth03 post=122698970][/quote]even your own article already had variants of history of where the title Onikoyi came from. When did the Onikoyi title start? Do you have any proof that it was independent of the Oba of Lagos up till the time of the Oyo empire or he was just another sub chief who was under the Oba of lagos You do not post all your materials on time, if it is a tactic I don’t know. Someone must have responded before you post the others. I have read your work, the Onikoyi was certainly an Idejo. One of the Sixteen white cap subordinate chiefs to the Oba of Lagos. |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 4:13pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Ologbo147: Imoba is as Ancient as the Awori Tribe itself Imoba was where the first king of Ilesa went to fetch Water to Cure Oduduwa’s blindness when he was Old That is why Oba Ilesa is titled as Owa Obokun Obokun means he who fetches Sea Water Onikoyi is the Oba Of Ikoyi and Imoba in Lagos and a White Cap Chief at Isale Eko because he owns land in Obalende |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 4:15pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Christistruth03:do you have any proof? |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 4:18pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Christistruth03:a white cap chief is subordinate to the Oba of Lagos According to the Benin law,the king is the sovereign owner of land, and as the territory was conquered by the Binis, it follows that during the conquest the king of Benin was the real owner,the control exercised by the chiefs under the Eleko or representative being exercised as part of the machinery of government and not in virtue of ownership. It might be for a considerable period prior to 1850, the control of the king of Benin had been been relaxed until it became little more than a formal and norminal overlordship, and that in this period, there had been a tendency on the part of the minor chiefs to arrogate to themselves powers to which constitutionally they had no claim. Including independent powers of control and management. There is a possibility of this, this is a point of view of the argument on who own Lagos 1 Like
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Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 4:19pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Ologbo147: the Otun Ekiti People migrated from Moba in Lagos in the 15th Century and today the King of Otun Ekiti is still referred to as the Oore of Mobaland It was from MOBA Lagos that Onikoyi rules over that the Otun Ekiti migrated from |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Ologbo147: 4:21pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Christistruth03:I mean lettered proof, even you posted an article that has different Versions on the same subject matter 1 Like |
Re: The Kingdom Of Benin Was A Massive Slave Trader by Christistruth03: 4:23pm On Apr 23, 2023 |
Ologbo147: Onikoyi is an Oba in his own Right In the Eyes of Yorubas he is higher than Oba of Lagos because he has an Ife Crown It is like calling the Olowu one of the highest Yoruba kings a Subject of the Alake of Egbaland because the Owu live at Abeokuta Moba and Ikoyi has never been under the Oba of Lagos please don’t make that Mistake For Example the Queen of England was also a Legitimate German Duchess at the same time she was Queen of England Moba is too Ancient to have any Business with Oba of Lagos You are going back to the Oduduwa Period when the Princes were sent out |
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