Melanin80:



You don't know what u are saying. Guidelines are guidelines and not mandatory? Criminal oshi

Inec itself says its guidelines are not mandatory so who are you to challenge them boy? Stop disgracing yourself and read supreme court judgments in akwa ibom,rivers 2015 guber cases,atiku vs buhari 2019 supra

Spy360:

At the bolded, what's substantial can also be enough reason to call for a rerun not necessarily awarding another winner.

Tinubu won less than 40% of the entire votes. If the objections comes close to that, it gets lower and then it's substantial enough. This is unlike previous years when the winner and runner up gets over 40% each.

Yes that is what I am saying.for there to be a rerun,peter must prove that up to 2.8 million votes were invalid or illegitimate which is the margin between him and tinubu.based on these thread,total votes affected is not up to based on the irev calculations.atiku too in his own case must also prove that votes affected are over 1.8 million.
The court can only order a rerun in those affected places which will obviously be places where apc dominates and with tinubu in power,he will still win.therefore,it is academic and needless

garfield1:


Yes that is what I am saying.for there to be a rerun,peter must prove that up to 2.8 million votes were invalid or illegitimate which is the margin between him and tinubu.based on these thread,total votes affected is not up to based on the irev calculations.atiku too in his own case must also prove that votes affected are over 1.8 million.
The court can only order a rerun in those affected places which will obviously be places where apc dominates and with tinubu in power,he will still win.therefore,it is academic and needless

Keep deceiving yourself

frankadrian:
Make dem no worry. They go return the mandate.

big lie. So long as it was not pleaded in his petition, he cannot introduce it now.All this is waste of time

garfield1:


Yes that is what I am saying.for there to be a rerun,peter must prove that up to 2.8 million votes were invalid or illegitimate which is the margin between him and tinubu.based on these thread,total votes affected is not up to based on the irev calculations.atiku too in his own case must also prove that votes affected are over 1.8 million.
The court can only order a rerun in those affected places which will obviously be places where apc dominates and with tinubu in power,he will still win.therefore,it is academic and needless

Simple logic is obviously not your forte. There is a difference between vote subtraction and vote swap. What happened in much of the fraud was vote swap. Removing over a million votes given to Tinubu and adding them to Obi will bring them to par.

The rigging was unintelligently done, leaving a lot of traces. Reason APC guys are visibly restless. Like someone said, they seemed to have underestimated LP and had to change plans mid election day. If the courts should order ordinary recount, Tinubu will be in trouble.

Ooni:
Simple logic is obviously not your forte. There is a difference between vote subtraction and vote swap. What happened in much of the fraud was vote swap. Removing over a million votes given to Tinubu and adding them to Obi will bring them to par.

The rigging was intelligently done, leaving a lot of traces. Reason APC guys are visibly restless. Like someone said, they seemed to have underestimated LP and had to change plans mid election day. If the courts should order ordinary recount, Tinubu will be in trouble.

You guys are deceiving yourself.where was obi's votes swapped? How will you prove it was obi's votes? Those evidences you feel are strong are weak and useless.
If the court orders a vote recount,it will even be worse for obi.the hardest thing to do is to recount.in 2019 kad polls,votes were recounted and after one week,it was abandoned because it is time wasting.by the time obi finishes counting half of a state,the two months he has is gone.obi cannot make any headway,he will fail

Dem bush babies don dey cry again.

Whiteangel1234:
Abridged election results of 36 States on iREV shows Peter Obi won Rivers, Benue, reveals huge disparity

Analysis and scrutiny of the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) Result Viewing (IREV) portal has revealed the Peter Obi actually won the states of Rivers and Benue which INEC initially announced as won by the All Progressives Congress (APC).

In states like Bayelsa, Akwa Ibom, Gombe, Zamfara, there is a huge disparity as a huge chunk of the results uploaded do not match that obtained at the polling unit.

In Benue state, Mr Peter Obi actually scored a total of 190,431 votes followed by the APC which scored 189,321 votes with the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) coming a distant 3rd.

Rivers State is even more revealing with Peter Obi’s Labour Party winning by almost a landslide polling a total of 178,575 votes, followed by the APC with 88,055 votes and the PDP with 58,821 votes.

INEC announced that APC’s Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu won Rivers and Benue states in announcing the February 25th presidential election results where they declared Tinubu as the winner.

This discovery shows the announcement and flawed and suspicious as the results from INEC’s own IREV is revealing otherwise.

Though the IREV data also shows that the PDP also won Bayelsa and Akwa Ibom states, a disparity shows that 239 uploaded EC8A results forms out of 1,639 did not match the actual results from the polling units.

This also applies to Akwa Ibom where a total of 299 EC8A result forms did not match the actual results from the polling units.

This disparity was noticeable across all the entire 36 states and FCT but the states that showed the most glaring disparities are Gombe (2,416), Benue, Delta (970), Ebonyi (405), Lagos, Jigawa (996), Kaduna (1,568), Kano (2,962), Katsina (885), Kebbi (606), Kogi (759), Lagos (830), Niger (530), Ogun (791), Osun (527), Oyo (1,005), Plateau (673), Rivers (731), Sokoto (687), Zamfara (1,223), Abia (678), Bauchi (691) and Borno (855).

The alarming anomaly at these polling units (PU) where the uploaded forms did not match the actual results at the polling units means the results there may have been altered or manipulated (tampered with).

These analysed results also show that Mr Peter Obi of the Labour party won the highest number of states which stands at 14, followed by Mr. Tinubu and the APC which won 13 states with Mr Atiku and the PDP winning just 10 states.

https://nkirukanistoran.com/abridged-election-results-of-36-states-on-irev-shows-peter-obi-won-rivers-benue-reveals-huge-disparity/

this can't be true dou. I can bet on anything that the report from. Gombe is false. There was no way Peter Obi could have even scored up to 10% in Gombe. Gombe south the christian dominated area voted massively for Atiku while Tinubu's votes were from Gombe central and the other Muslims dominated areas.

Dafresh:


It was South South that started pushing Obident movement.
Many Igbos supported Tinubu but what we're saying is majority, majority of Igbos didn't support him that won't take away the effort of those that supported TINUBU. Igbos like David Umahi, Okorocha and their supporters will benefit from TINUBU more than you

And how do you know that? Are abure, obinyan n others not going to benefit more from Obi than you?

Spy360:

Lol

See mumu.

So INEC fails to upload results for the presidential election but decides to upload for the NASS and Governorship. Yet you say INEC is guideline.

If you like let person deceive you for this life because of your stupidity

Well i have told you... I will be here to drink your teats when d time comes. Bookmark this

pquaver:


And how do you know that? Are abure, obinyan n others not going to benefit more from Obi than you?

That means you don't know Obi. Obi is coming with countability, but Tinubu is coming to enrich his men like he has been doing. Obi will reduce the cost of governance but Tinubu will borrow, loot and share it with his men

garfield1:


Inec guidelines are mere guidelines and not mandatory,the court has ruled severally that in conduct of election,the electoral act and constitution are to be followed.again,the complaints raised by pdp and lp should have been raised at the ward or lga collation not at the national collation level.

Secondly,what is substantial in electoral law? The courts have stated severally that substantial compliance means being enough to affect the final outcome,that is the margin is enough to make obi or atiku winner.this I not true as all recalculations from the irev including adding rivers and benue to obi still puts tinubu as winner.obi actually lost

Lol. Beer parlour analysis. They're talking about vote suppression and inflation, you're talking about who actually lost or won. Some are even following INEC's arrangement of 1st, 2nd, 3rd. If you believe, as we all know, for example that PO won Rivers; that would make it his 13th state. Then the actual vote counts in Lagos and Plateau alone not to mention other states across the nation. In what world could BAT have won, talk less with the margin INEC declared? That would mean he scored the highest votes but in fewer states. And then comes BVAS. They know what they're are afraid of. The best APC would get is a rerun (assuming PO didn't get the spread). Otherwise, Nigeria is 'constitutionally' dead; then we can all go back to sleep.

XY23:


Lol. Beer parlour analysis. They're talking about vote suppression and inflation, you're talking about who actually lost or won. Some are even following INEC's arrangement of 1st, 2nd, 3rd. If you believe, as we all know, for example that PO won Rivers; that would make it his 13th state. Then the actual vote counts in Lagos and Plateau alone not to mention other states across the nation. In what world could BAT have won, talk less with the margin INEC declared? That would mean he scored the highest votes but in fewer states. And then comes BVAS. They know what they're are afraid of. The best APC would get is a rerun (assuming PO didn't get the spread). Otherwise, Nigeria is 'constitutionally' dead; then we can all go back to sleep.

The thing is,can you prove it? How can you prove votes inflation in court? Even if you prove voter suppression,the court won't do anything about it as they deal with votes casted not what happened before voting.in court,you can't just be assuming.that rivers was rigged doesnt mean other states were rigged.even that rivers,you must prove it polling unit by unit beyond irev results.what is the unit by unit evidence of rigging in plateau and plateau? This is a dead end

garfield1:


Inec guidelines are mere guidelines and not mandatory,the court has ruled severally that in conduct of election,the electoral act and constitution are to be followed.again,the complaints raised by pdp and lp should have been raised at the ward or lga collation not at the national collation level.

Secondly,what is substantial in electoral law? The courts have stated severally that substantial compliance means being enough to affect the final outcome,that is the margin is enough to make obi or atiku winner.this I not true as all recalculations from the irev including adding rivers and benue to obi still puts tinubu as winner.obi actually lost

Dont come and be tying nonsense, Oga.

I know I dont frequent this @seun forum again(as it seems he intends to allow it to self-destroy).

The guideline of INEC has the force of Law. The electoral Act gives INEC's guidelines the Force of Law.

Moreover, INEC itself is a regulatory body, so its guidelines has quasi-judicial and quasi-legislative powers. Any guideline from INEC cannot be breached without consequences.

The only time INEC's guidelines do not carry effect is if any of its provisions is contrary to the Electoral Act, the Constitution or any Legitimate orders of the court.

CEOwatazs:
this can't be true dou. I can bet on anything that the report from. Gombe is false. There was no way Peter Obi could have even scored up to 10% in Gombe. Gombe south the christian dominated area voted massively for Atiku while Tinubu's votes were from Gombe central and the other Muslims dominated areas.

So southern Gombe was the only Christain dominated part of Northern Nigeria that didnt vote for Obi, abi?

nameo:


So southern Gombe was the only Christain dominated part of Northern Nigeria that didnt vote for Obi, abi?

oga read what I wrote and what I'm replying to. There's no way Obi would have won the 2416 unit been mentioned by the OP that's a lie.

nameo:


Dont come and be tying nonsense, Oga.

I know I dont frequent this @seun forum again(as it seems he intends to allow it to self-destroy).

The guideline of INEC has the force of Law. The electoral Act gives INEC's guidelines the Force of Law.

Moreover, INEC itself is a regulatory body, so its guidelines has quasi-judicial and quasi-legislative powers. Any guideline from INEC cannot be breached without consequences.

The only time INEC's guidelines do not carry effect is if any of its provisions is contrary to the Electoral Act, the Constitution or any Legitimate orders of the court.

Oga,the supreme court right from 2015 has exhausted the difference between electoral act and guidelines.the apex court clearly stated that violation of inec guidelines is not fatal and cannot be a ground to disqualify elections while violation of the electoral act is fatal.see wike vs dakuku supra,see udom vs apc supra..moreover,inec itself stated that electronic transmission just like server in 2019 is not mandatory

Dafresh:

That means you don't know Obi. Obi is coming with countability, but Tinubu is coming to enrich his men like he has been doing. Obi will reduce the cost of governance but Tinubu will borrow, loot and share it with his men

Oga go sit down joor, i have seen you that knows Tinubu.. Obi that looted anambra money to Panama, did he remember you? No be only accountability... Lagos financial system is the most transparent in Nigeria, that other states started to copy courtesy of Tinubu.. You come here to open mouth.. Obi is a little crook deported as a criminal he is and nothing more

garfield1:


Oga,the supreme court right from 2015 has exhausted the difference between electoral act and guidelines.the apex court clearly stated that violation of inec guidelines is not fatal and cannot be a ground to disqualify elections while violation of the electoral act is fatal.see wike vs dakuku supra,see udom vs apc supra..moreover,inec itself stated that electronic transmission just like server in 2019 is not mandatory

The new electoral act was signed into law after 2019,so electoral transmission is mandatory.Stop trying to be clever by half.

pquaver:


Oga go sit down joor, i have seen you that knows Tinubu.. Obi that looted anambra money to Panama, did he remember you? No be only accountability... Lagos financial system is the most transparent in Nigeria, that other states started to copy courtesy of Tinubu.. You come here to open mouth.. Obi is a little crook deported as a criminal he is and nothing more

Typical yoruba Muslim reasoning.Obi is too clean to be mentioned with the drug baron

garfield1:


Yes that is what I am saying.for there to be a rerun,peter must prove that up to 2.8 million votes were invalid or illegitimate which is the margin between him and tinubu.based on these thread,total votes affected is not up to based on the irev calculations.atiku too in his own case must also prove that votes affected are over 1.8 million.
The court can only order a rerun in those affected places which will obviously be places where apc dominates and with tinubu in power,he will still win.therefore,it is academic and needless

It does not have to be 2.8m and 1.8m respectively. What will be considered is the algebraic sum. That is addition and subtraction. So any number of votes accrued to Peter Obi is lost by Tinubu and same with Atiku. So we are actually looking at less than 1m votes.

pquaver:


Oga go sit down joor, i have seen you that knows Tinubu.. Obi that looted anambra money to Panama, did he remember you? No be only accountability... Lagos financial system is the most transparent in Nigeria, that other states started to copy courtesy of Tinubu.. You come here to open mouth.. Obi is a little crook deported as a criminal he is and nothing more

Obi already has Panama account before he became governor mind you TINUBU also has offshore acct. Lagos finical system is never transparent that's why Lagos keeps borrowing, have you checked how much Lagos is owing courtesy of Tinubu. Tinubu is a drug Lord. Peter Obi was never deported or you want to tell me you don't know the meaning of "DEPORTED"
the only thing Tinubu is better than PETER is corruption

Spy360:

It does not have to be 2.8m and 1.8m respectively. What will be considered is the algebraic sum. That is addition and subtraction. So any number of votes accrued to Peter Obi is lost by Tinubu and same with Atiku. So we are actually looking at less than 1m votes.

You still dont get it.they won't just add votes to obi except he shows that those votes belong to him beyond doubt not just based on irev.he must bring prove beyond what is on irev.how will he do that?
It is easier for obi to show that votes were invalid or illegitimate rather than it belong to him.based on what has been displayed so far is inadequate for the court to even rule in obi favour

HIGHESTPOPORI:
The new electoral act was signed into law after 2019,so electoral transmission is mandatory.Stop trying to be clever by half.

Oga,no place in the new electoral act calls for mandatory transmission.I dare you to point us to that portion.even inec has stated that it is not compulsory so who are you to vomit rubbish

Dafresh:

Obi already has Panama account before he became governor mind you TINUBU also has offshore acct. Lagos finical system is never transparent that's why Lagos keeps borrowing, have you checked how much Lagos is owing courtesy of Tinubu. Tinubu is a drug Lord. Peter Obi was never deported or you want to tell me you don't know the meaning of "DEPORTED"
the only thing Tinubu is better than PETER is corruption

That is how u make yourself happy.. Obi did not have Panama account before becoming a governor else why did he not state in his form for code of conduct? Why will you hide what you legally earned.. Obi is only better that tinubu in hiding his corruption.. Obi is a grossly corrupt criminal who Nigeria saw his tricks.. Never.. Obi will never happen to Nigeria.. You can wail from now till 2050.. Obi will never be president of a united Nigeria.. Shikena.. Such a thief never

garfield1:


You still dont get it.they won't just add votes to obi except he shows that those votes belong to him beyond doubt not just based on irev.he must bring prove beyond what is on irev.how will he do that?
It is easier for obi to show that votes were invalid or illegitimate rather than it belong to him.based on what has been displayed so far is inadequate for the court to even rule in obi favour

Forensic analysis would revealed the canceled votes written at the polling unit.Let Obi worry about that, he didn't tell you he is finding it hard to prove the votes belong to him

garfield1:


You still dont get it.they won't just add votes to obi except he shows that those votes belong to him beyond doubt not just based on irev.he must bring prove beyond what is on irev.how will he do that?
It is easier for obi to show that votes were invalid or illegitimate rather than it belong to him .based on what has been displayed so far is inadequate for the court to even rule in obi favour

Ok I get your point especially the bolded which is true.

However, PO said he can prove especially with witness from Amazon Cloud or so, so let's wait and see. Also results on the the IREV are meant to serve as backup to the form EC8A. If INEC cannot justify the IREV then it is clear that they are complicit in election rigging.

I saw part of PO's response to the rebuttal by INEC where he accused them of favouring and working for one party while also being an umpire. Something the Appeal Court has frowned upon several times on previous occasions.

garfield1:


Oga,the supreme court right from 2015 has exhausted the difference between electoral act and guidelines.the apex court clearly stated that violation of inec guidelines is not fatal and cannot be a ground to disqualify elections while violation of the electoral act is fatal.see wike vs dakuku supra,see udom vs apc supra..moreover,inec itself stated that electronic transmission just like server in 2019 is not mandatory

You agree that INEC failed to follow its guidelines?

Let's start from there.

So that the issue is now if the failure of observe election guidelines by INEC violates the Electoral Act.

Spy360:

You agree that INEC failed to follow its guidelines?

Let's start from there.

So that the issue is now if the failure of observe election guidelines by INEC violates the Electoral Act.

Inec inability to follow its guidelines is not a violation of the electoral act.nowhere in the electoral act is it stated that the guidelines must be followed.
Again,inec explained that the non transmission was as a result of a glitch and network errors and out of its hands.

Spy360:

Ok I get your point especially the bolded which is true.

However, PO said he can prove especially with witness from Amazon Cloud or so, so let's wait and see. Also results on the the IREV are meant to serve as backup to the form EC8A. If INEC cannot justify the IREV then it is clear that they are complicit in election rigging.

I saw part of PO's response to the rebuttal by INEC where he accused them of favouring and working for one party while also being an umpire. Something the Appeal Court has frowned upon several times on previous occasions.

He cannot bring witnesses from Amazon or cloud,they cannot help him.they deal with servers,Internet,connection and has no part to play here.obu needs forensic analysts,mathematicians,polling unit agents,statisticians,voters etc not IT specialists that will deal with results physically and materially and show the court that votes were rigged or belongs to him....

Irev is not the primary backup but results or copies held by lp agents.they must have their copies first before comparing it with irev.obi agents have collated and analysed the irev severally and it shows that tinubu won based on irev therefore irev chapter is closed,obi needs to look for another means of proving his case either by vote recount,forensic analysis,tendering of copies of results by his agents etc
Obi accusing or blaming inec is a waste of time.inec is dutybound to defend the results it declared and stand with the winners.even if pdp or lp won,inec will still stand with them.

pquaver:


That is how u make yourself happy.. Obi did not have Panama account before becoming a governor else why did he not state in his form for code of conduct? Why will you hide what you legally earned.. Obi is only better that tinubu in hiding his corruption.. Obi is a grossly corrupt criminal who Nigeria saw his tricks.. Never.. Obi will never happen to Nigeria.. You can wail from now till 2050.. Obi will never be president of a united Nigeria.. Shikena.. Such a thief never

Obi is in opposition party and APC led EFCC couldn't establish corruption case against Obi
Tinubu is also in Panama

garfield1:


He cannot bring witnesses from Amazon or cloud,they cannot help him.they deal with servers,Internet,connection and has no part to play here.obu needs forensic analysts,mathematicians,polling unit agents,statisticians,voters etc not IT specialists that will deal with results physically and materially and show the court that votes were rigged or belongs to him....

Irev is not the primary backup but results or copies held by lp agents.they must have their copies first before comparing it with irev.obi agents have collated and analysed the irev severally and it shows that tinubu won based on irev therefore irev chapter is closed,obi needs to look for another means of proving his case either by vote recount,forensic analysis,tendering of copies of results by his agents etc
Obi accusing or blaming inec is a waste of time.inec is dutybound to defend the results it declared and stand with the winners.even if pdp or lp won,inec will still stand with them.

Your points are clear and your opinions are noted.

Except that people from Amazon cloud can testify if the server was attacked. Why did you say they can't testify? The point is to show that INEC deliberately sabotaged the elections to allow for manipulations. Those manipulations are everywhere even on the IREV.