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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Nobody: 6:59am On Apr 28, 2023 |
missjekyll: I'm sorry, but it's clear you've been taken up with the headlines and distracted from the intricacies of the situation. What would you have the UK government do? Send in soldiers to the streets of Khartoum to pull out every last UK citizen from their homes or other places where they are sheltering in place? That would be an invasion, essentially, and the soldiers would have to fight the Sudanese Armed Forces and the RSF to escort British citizens there. A Qatari embassy convoy was attacked just a couple of days ago. Have you considered what might happen if countries keep flying planes into an active war zone? If something like MH-17 happens again what would you have them do? Blow up swathes of Khartoum in retaliation? Or again, send a regiment in on 'peacekeeping' to install a new regime? Citizens of various countries were stuck in Ukraine when Russia invaded. How many countries sent armed forces in there to retrieve their citizens? Even the US didn't. The best most could do was put their people on friendly borders to welcome those who made it there and get them home. There's a reason for that, and it's not because Tories head the governments of all those countries. You didn't mention that several countries including the UK brokered a peace deal that they then used to evacuate as many as possible - no other western country had as many citizens there (TBC), so you can't compare countries that had to evacuate 80 citizens with UK with 4000 - have you considered how many flights that would take? Has our own Nigeria not had its own citizens abandoned in the Sahara because bus drivers said they were not paid properly? Is that racism too or incompetence or the situation being more complex than 'go in there and carry them'? Now the factions are not adhering to the peace deal. I genuinely ask you - what would you have the UK government do? Just outline your proposed solution, please. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Strata1716: 7:02am On Apr 28, 2023 |
missjekyll: One thing I like about the United States is they will never leave a citizen behind, they don’t care if the citizen has 5 other passports but they will try their best to bring their citizens home, we all know tories are racist and will continuously prioritize white skin over black and brown |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Solumtoya: 7:04am On Apr 28, 2023 |
missjekyll: The same you said "all opinions are valid" The same you said some "sentiments are not okay to share" The same you said people shouldn't share their opinions but "read and pass" I just learnt "you should be grateful" is a negative word? You can't love the thread only when opinions you consider positive are shared and try to force it to adhere. The ongoing conversation is extremely valuable for this thread. We need to understand these things: both those about to come and those already here. Real experiences, opinions and fact should be shared on it: that is the very essence of this thread. I come in peace o 11 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Nobody: 7:04am On Apr 28, 2023 |
missjekyll: You are right. I'm one of those who mentioned 'go to Nigeria' and while I genuinely intended it as a helpful comment as in go do what might work better for you, I see now how it stifles the discussion and is unhelpful to the thread. People should feel free to share their opinions, positive or negative. Best of luck to everyone home and abroad sha. ✌️ 3 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Strata1716: 7:09am On Apr 28, 2023 |
koonbey: It’s truly sad that Britons have been abandoned in Sudan especially as this same govt found a way to rescue animals from Ukraine, suddenly their hands are tied when it comes to Sudan |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Nobody: 7:14am On Apr 28, 2023 |
Strata1716: Ok. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by ukay2: 7:50am On Apr 28, 2023 |
Chreze: Very apt. I shared the different phases of Japaa experience here some weeks ago. My wife and l came on work visa and both of us are doing the same work and same levels we were in Nigeria as both university lecturer and medical doctor respectively. I understand the students route is not easy for the students and their dependents, but they should not give up. Things always get better if we do not give up......we should all keep pushing to go up the food chain as TIME passes. It's for us to keep working towards where we want to be.....nothing is impossible to whosoever that believes.... 8 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by profemebee(m): 8:36am On Apr 28, 2023 |
using a terrorist as your use case was extreme sha... missjekyll: |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Gift7428: 8:52am On Apr 28, 2023 |
What’s your industry/ specialty please Madeu: |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by dupyshoo: 9:21am On Apr 28, 2023 |
This is not true. Americans are still left in Sudan as we speak. See the link below where they are complaining that US only evacuated embassy staff. The link even added UK as part of the countries evacuating. UK has evacuated about 900 citizens as at yesterday. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/4/27/why-the-us-evacuation-from-sudan-left-americans-behind Strata1716: 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by dupyshoo: 9:28am On Apr 28, 2023 |
Only about 2000 registered to be evacuated. The 4000 you are quoting are all the British citizens in Sudan. Not all of them want to be evacuated. 3500 have not been left behind. They are still trying to evacuate them. Roughly about 900 were evacuated yesterday. missjekyll: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by worry357: 10:55am On Apr 28, 2023 |
missjekyll: Many of these people that you state are reaching out are not actually British citizens, they are claiming some connection via job or relatives or anything they can think of to get a ride into the UK! Or, they are demanding to bring loads of so called dependents with them. It's the usual back door route into a country for some people. It is no wonder that the UK are being selective about who they transport. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by steadyMoving22: 11:07am On Apr 28, 2023 |
It's always get better that's just the honest truth, Rome wasn't built in a day. ukay2: |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by AKALAMAGBO: 11:07am On Apr 28, 2023 |
How do you know? What evidence do you have to support the things you wrote here? worry357: |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by deept(m): 11:15am On Apr 28, 2023 |
AKALAMAGBO: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65420882 Example |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Madeu(m): 12:24pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
Gift7428:Allied Health care. 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Midex88(m): 12:42pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
dupyshoo: UK Pros: 1) UK weather is better. 2) you have more value for money in the UK malls 3) The UK has more architectural beauty 4) There are more Nigerians in the UK 5) You get more vacation time in the UK 6) The UK is more central and nearer to other countries including Nigeria 7) The currency is higher in the UK 8 ) You don't have to worry about drastic changes in policies and laws when you move from one city to another (except you're moving countries) 9) The English language is enough to take you everywhere in England and Ireland 11) Arguably, the UK has more jobs 12) There's a better sense of community in the UK 13) The UK has one standard timezone, so you don't have to worry about time difference while traveling across the country. UK Cons: 1) The UK is tiny compared to Canada. This includes the roads, the houses, etc. Everything just looks small to you the moment you move from Canada to the UK. 2) The UK is more traditional/formal. Things like the school you finished from, the social class of your parents, etc. matter more in the UK. In fact, I find the classism really disturbing. Canada Pros: 1) Salaries are higher in Canada 2) Transition to citizenship is easier in Canada 3) Canada gives you access to the US economy (you can easily work for US firms as a Canadian PR and you can drive across the border to buy things at cheaper rate if you have your visa) 4 ) It is bilingual. The French culture is strong in Canada. You might end up learning French depending on where you live. Otherwise, you'd surely explore the rich culture. 5) Canada is a hybrid country. You get the typical American lifestyle in places like Toronto (tall class buildings, condos, long tarred roads, etc) and the typical European lifestyle in places like Québec City (Chateaux, gothic architecture, European culinary styles, etc.) Canada Cons: 1) Canada is literally frozen in winter 2) Canada is arguably more expensive 3) The cities are more futuristic and not as beautiful as the classical ones in the UK 4) If not for immigration, Canada, just like the US, generally doesn't really have a very rich culture 5) Population is very low and the country is more laid back 6) If you move from a big city like Lagos, you'd likely get bored in many Canadian cities 7) Due to the size, the country spans across multiple timezones and could be many hours behind Nigeria. It's really about lifestyle and what works for people. 13 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by profemebee(m): 12:52pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
Just saw this sad tweet on Twitter Someone in the comments said her hospital was in Beckton..
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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Jlaw1: 12:58pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
LagosismyHome: Dear LagosismyHome, From how you write, I think I will like your temperament in real life. You come across as a very good person. Were you not already married, I'd probably be proposing to you right away. But pease, kindly read my lengthy post with an open heart. Regarding your stance about Shamima Begum, you need to consider the potential consequences that the UK will face if they restore her citizenship and allow her back into the country: (1a.) Once she enters the UK, her supporters, admirers and even those people who identify with the ISIS ideology will quickly rally around her & paint her as a Martyr and Hero.There will very likely be demonstrations & protests during her trial inside and outside the UK. This may also lead to widespread unrest as it will arouse a heated & unhealthy debate up and down the country. (1b.) The publicity raised by Shamima's trial in the UK will make her the CENTER OF ATTENTION. The government is trying to avoid this because it will likely make the UK become a target by extremists & Jihadists, who will likely believe that she is being persecuted. As a result, pockets of terrorist attacks may likely ensue, leading to avoidable deaths and high level of insecurity. (2a.) Due to the potential publicity raised by her re-entrance into the UK, there is a high risk that her story may inspire other young girls and boys to see her as a role model. This will set a very dangerous precedent. (2b.) Yet again, returning her citizenship status and allowing her enter the UK may very very likely encourage others to follow her footsteps, because they will be rest assured that they will still be embraced by the UK government after committing atrocities. It will appear to them that there will be 'lenient' consequences for taking a grave decision such as joining a global terrorist group such as ISIS. A terrorist group that SLAUGHTERS/MASSACRES other human beings like chickens and pigs. (3.) Also, be kindly aware that if the British government accepts Shamima back, they will be going against the PUBLIC WILL & OPINION of the OVERWHELMING majority of British citizens, who clearly do NOT want her back. Taking such a decision will surely spell doom for the government. ---------------------------------- Let me pause here because I don't want my post to be too lengthy. So with the few points that I have raised, do you still think it's a preferable and safe decision for the UK to accept her back? Please, kindly give me your truthful response. PS: Shamima Begum's case is not a racial one. As already mentioned by others, 'Jihadi' Jack Letts, a WHITE British citizen who joined ISIS also had his citizenship revoked. There are other examples of white terrorists whose citizenships have been revoked by Western countries. So I don't think race is the issue here. FINALLY, I have watched several Shamima Begum's interviews, and I genuinely feel very sorry and emotional for her. But the British government CANNOT afford to make an emotional decision here, but rather an educated, logical, security-based and strategic decision is what is required. And that is to revoke her citizenship status and bar her entry into the United Kingdom. 9 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by missjekyll: 12:59pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
She was and will remain a British terrorist. She is our problem and should have been handled here . She was radicalized here as a teenager. profemebee: |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by LagosismyHome(f): 1:31pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
Jlaw1: @bold This argument I noticed will never end so this would be my last comment so I don't derail the thread ....I am not supporting what she did and I get all this. What I am not happy about this is now essentially breaking British citizenship into two class..... For me her case of citizenship-stripping is a dangerous denial of responsibility for your own nationals and transferring it to another country by force by fire. Is that not bullying or oppression..... we don't want this criminal so you must have her ... She was born and bred here and by their rule was a British citizen so what gives Britain the audacity to say she belong to Bangladesh..... is it now based on who first stripped because if Bangladesh had stripped first then are we saying UK would have been forced to accept because she can't be stateless... meaning next time it becomes who first strip . If my child doesn't behave well that my responsibility, I cannot pass it to my brother and say take na by force because my child is somehow related to my brother.... that is so wrong Uk should not be allowed to do that ... it set a terrible precedent for other things . She is a product of their society and she should be their responsibility.... there should never be two class of British citizenship. The ones you can strip because them papa come from another country and the one you cannot strip because they are 100 percent british and they can't be stateless . Then British citizenship is not one. Make them go ahead and have two different colour of passport and do inequality with full chest 3 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by lavida001: 2:56pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
Strata1716: One thing I have realise about British is that they like doing things to show the outside world that they are a wealthy nation even if they haven’t settled their internal issues. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by chukusi: 3:14pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
Hello Seniors i need opinion on this. for someone that is on T2 and wants to take addition job say agency shift on same occupation code. The guideline regarding that on the gov web is confusing. i need someone to help me look at it. one link says not more than 20hrs a week https://www.gov.uk/skilled-worker-visa/second-job another link say you can take more than 20hrs until August https://www.gov.uk/health-care-worker-visa/taking-a-second-job Any idea why? 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by LagosismyHome(f): 3:52pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
chukusi: This more than 20 hours is for only Health and Care Worker visa under T2..... so not applicable to all Tier 2 If you fall under Health and Care Worker category then ok for more than 20 hours till August. I suspect they are piloting something 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by AlphaCentaurii: 3:54pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
Please how much is IOM TB test in Naira for an adult? |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Jlaw1: 5:32pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
LagosismyHome: I sincerely understand where you are coming from, and you do indeed have a good point. Let us "assume" for one minute that you are correct in your assertion that the British government revoked her citizenship unfairly. Now, will it be fair to return back the citizenship of ONE PERSON, knowing fully well that it will very very likely lead to the potential DEATHS of HUNDREDS of other people in the country (including you and I, our children & loved ones; GOD FORBID) and also jeopardize National Security? Is the citizenship status of one person (a terrorist), more important or more expensive than hundreds of innocent lives? Is that sacrifice worthwhile? Is 1 British Passport = 100+ innocent lives? I honestly don't think think so. Also, let's remember that the overwhelming majority of people in the UK, INCLUDING Dual Nationals and Immigrants do NOT want her citizenship restored. So the government is carrying out the wish of the people, as should be the case in a democracy. Again, honestly speaking, in a different case where terrorism is not involved, I may easily agree with you and your position to plea for clemency and leniency from the government. But in this specific case of Shamima Begum, I think the government has reached the right decision. IN FINAL CONCLUSION, to answer your question: if a child willingly joined a group that deliberately butchered his/her siblings like an animal, then a parent is well within their rights to disown that child & bar him/her from entering the compound where they can potentially kill or invite murderers to slaughter the parents and innocent neighbors in that compound. Like you have said earlier, let's agree to disagree. Cheers, sweetheart (don't tell your husband o). 3 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by missjekyll: 6:42pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
They have british passports meaning they are citizens , chikena. They want to fly their family to safety, can you blame them? I dont. worry357: |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by bamangar: 6:53pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
Hello, please I need response. I' am trying to register for PCC online on Possap website (police) for the past 7 days now and it's showing me error. Who else is experiencing this and how else do I do it?
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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by missjekyll: 7:06pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
Truth is he does not need to be grateful for anything. He is not being fed by the state. He is exchanging his very valuable skills for remuneration. He has decided to take his skills somewhere else. Na who lose? I wish him the best of luck and hope he runs far away from this country to better things. Oh and be grateful in the context it was used would be instantly recognisable to anyone who engages with racists on twitter and has a foreign name Solumtoya: |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by hayesconcept(m): 7:23pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
You have to open an account on the site first bamangar: |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by DoDirtsLikeWorm(m): 7:59pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
dustydee: Easy Lion!! There's something my people calls "Agwu", it calls people back in order for them to worship diety. If you dey check am after escaping to YOuKay, try dey balance am before you heads home thinking Balablu gives a swinging fcvk 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by dustydee: 8:04pm On Apr 28, 2023 |
DoDirtsLikeWorm:now I would be lying if I say I understand what you wrote here. But thanks for commenting. 1 Like |
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